Let us leave the matter to Gurus (to monmuk)

[Guest guest]

Vyam Vysa-evaya namah.

 

monmuk,

Guru Sanjayji's annoucement of Guru Robert Koch as SJVC-America's

only head should clarify things. Reg your comments about Smt. Laxmi

Devi, I think it is very improper to comment about someone's ex-

relatives' past.

 

Please let us leave the matter to the gurus and they know how to

solve any problems. If possible, let us pray for SJVC and continue

your normal life as a sincere jyotish student. Gurujis of SJVC know

and will sort out any confusion. It is not for the students of SJVC

to doubt the intentions of the founder or his choice of

appointments.

 

I dont know how complicated things are actually, but from Mr.

Dinanatha's post, I sense a legal threat/challange to Guru Sanjay's

recent organizational changes to SJVC-USA and to the legal ownership

of sjvc-usa itself.

 

May Lord Jagannath help Sanjayji and his SJVC-USA team to sort out

these complications.

 

-Siva Chinnasamy.

 

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:

> Wow!!! Things aren't what they really appear to be.

>

> Dinanath makes some very valid points. Why let someone like laxmi

> whose ex-husband was convicted for drugs and weapons charges be

> associated with an organization like SJVC. It appears that

Dinanath

> is righteous and Robert Koch is the thug as Dinnath's e-mail

appears

> to be candid and a statement of fact. Why doesn't Robret defend

> himself if he is righteous and Dinanath is lying?

>

> MD

>

> vedic astrology, "Dinanatha Das" <vedic@s...> wrote:

> > Dear Group members,

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha!

> >

> > After fallacious writings of Robert Koch that I have hacked

> SJVCUSA.ORG web site and so many other untrue things, again I

have

> no option other than to defend myself. Robert Koch has been

> intentionally harassing myself for quite some time now and simply

> said I am really sick and tired of his lies and if he continues

like

> this I will have no other choice but to take legal action against

him.

> >

> > To remind all of you SJVC-USA has been formed on explicit

> order/desire of Sanjay Rath and most of the work in registering

SJVC-

> USA as an religious non-profit organization was done by Kusa devi.

> Many of you have ordered Sanjay's books and Sanjay's tapes that

Kusa

> made available to interested audience and of course all the

profits

> of that have gone to SJVC-USA account (unlike money collected by

> Laxmi (Lynne Kary) and Brendan for conferences, books and tapes

that

> has gone to their personal accounts and is still today unaccounted

> for, so if you are ordering something from laxmi know that you are

> cheated).

> >

> > Simultaneously SJVC-USA has been incorporated as non-profit

> corporation in the state of New Jersey with it's bank account and

all

> other legalities and was operating and still is operating without

any

> problems. The 3 trustees or directors of the SJVC-USA as per

Sanjay

> Rath's agreement are: Sruta Kirti Das (Director), myself

(Dinanatha

> Das - Secretary) and Brenda Bon (Kusa's friend who agreed to be

> trustee for legal purposes while Kusa was acting as a Treasurer).

All

> of this started in 1999 when most of you have never even heard of

> SJVC and SJVC-USA. When the organization was incorporated a web

site

> www.SJVCUSA.org has also been started and maintained mainly by

Sanjay

> Rath. I registered the domain name and web site and initial

payment

> for web site was done by Narasimha Rao and all subsequent payment

> were borne by myself. SJVC-USA has been incorporated in New Jersey

> with address: 1504 Riverton Road, Cinnaminson, N.J. 08077. Same

> information was presented to IRS (Internal Revenue Service) who

was

> actually checking our web site to see if we are differing from the

> rules govern by non-profit organizations.

> > www.SJVCUSA.org was never meant to be a web site of any other

> organisation than SJVC-USA registered in New Jersey with office

at:

> 1504 Riverton Road, Cinnaminson, N.J. 08077. So by accusing me

that I

> hacked www.sjvcusa.org web site because I included valid legal

> information about SJVC-USA organization on the web site of the

same

> organization, Robert openly admits that he hacked www.sjvcusa.org

> site and thus he is risking legal action and damages compensation

> claim against himself for unauthorized access to www.sjvcusa.org,

> presenting false and misleading information on the same site and

> unauthorized use of registered corporate name SJVC-USA. Personal

> legal actions and damage compensation claims against Robert by

> damaged trustees/directors of SJVC-USA (positions that Robert was

> unlawfully claiming for himself and others) are also likely to

follow.

> >

> > In recent past Sanjay Rath wanted to change the SJVC-USA

trustees

> and appoint Robert, Brendan and Laxmi instead of original trustees

> mentioned above. After presenting the matter to our lawyer and

> consulting him he advised us that it would be very harmful for a

> religious non-profit organization to do as Sanjay proposed. Our

> lawyer made several points:

> >

> > 1. Change of all trustees with new ones is not welcome in the

eyes

> of IRS, adding trustees instead is advisable

> > 2. Proposed head of organization (in this case Robert Koch) is

> working directly against the principles of SJVC and thus

endangering

> the legal and non-profit status of SJVC. In the bylaws of SJVC is

> stated that SJVC is meant for free propagation of Jyotish

knowledge

> (while Robert is charging for teaching) and also by definition a

non-

> profit organization is not meant for a personal gain of any one

> individual (Robert is for many years using position of SJVC Guru

to

> attract new clients and students and thus benefiting from his

> position in SJVC, you can still see this on his web site:

> http://robertkoch.com/robert.html and you can imagine what would

> happened if he would be legally in charge for SJVC-USA)

> > 3. Other proposed trustee Laxmi (Lynne Kary) to start with lied

to

> Sanjay to get admission to SJVC and also has been involved with

drugs

> and weapons smugglers (one of them was her ex-husband: Hansaduta

> Swami which was sentenced to jail for many years because of

illegal

> use of drugs and weapons and smuggling of the same

> >

> > Sanjay was also informed about this on several occasions by

myself

> and Kusa devi and than he made a decision that Robert, Brendan and

> Laxmi can form their own organization independent from existing

SJVC-

> USA registered in NJ and that has registered office at: 1504

Riverton

> Road, Cinnaminson, N.J. 08077

> >

> > Above 3 points, as mentioned by our lawyer, especially after

9/11

> when it was discovered and determined by IRS that many Islamic

> charities in the USA were using their non-profit status to collect

> charity and than they were sending that charity to fund radical

> Islamic militant organizations (including Al-Queda) would deeply

risk

> our non-profit status and could bring to SJVC-USA many unnecessary

> legal complications especially because part of SJVC-USA funds was

> supposed to go to India to help SJVC in India. As we know many

> Islamic militant organizations are present and are becoming

> increasingly active in India (which we could witness in recent

> shooting in Swami Narayan temple in Gandhi Nagar). Seeing the

history

> of some of the proposed trustees our lawyer couldn't say anything

> else than what he mentioned in above points and conclude that

persons

> like Laxmi and Robert are totally legally unfit to be trustees of

> SJVC.

> >

> > Knowing that Laxmi is another drop out from ISKCON like Robert

it

> is easy to see that spiritually are not much more fit than what

they

> are legally to be part of SJVC.

> >

> > The only person from proposed 3 names that could be fit as

> additional SJVC trustees was Brendan, who seems to be nice guy but

> deeply mislead by Robert and Laxmi.

> >

> > In 1999 Sanjay has asked Robert to become Jyotish Guru which

former

> declined on the grounds that because he is charging (meaning

ripping

> off) his students for Jyotish lessons he cannot do it and that

> because he is busy with doing charts for his clients he has no

time

> for involvement in SJVC. Sanjay replied saying that SJVC Guru

> assignment is for life and not temporary and in the future if he

> wants he can take up that role (which didn't have to wait for long

> after Robert realized that being SJVC Guru is not so bad and

> generates more clients to be ripped off) This is how our Robert

> become SJVC Guru. Starting from that time Sanjay was warning him

that

> he actually cannot be SJVC Guru and at the same time charge for

> teaching which was doing and Robert was quite proudly defying that

> warning of Sanjay.

> > But how Robert who was initiated by Srila Prabhupada came into

that

> pitiful condition that he just didn't care for orders and

principle

> of any of his Gurus? While living in the ISKCON temple in India

our

> Robert has learned little bit of Jyotish and understood that this

> could be quite good business on the West especially in the places

> like USA and he simply moved to USA and started his own business:

> Jyotish consultations and lessons. While for the consultations

> traditionally (if we follow the parampara which he obviously

didn't

> even dream of) he could accept donations while teaching was

supposed

> to be free. Of course, why would he? After dropping out from

ISKCON

> he was quite free to break all the rules and principles of Gurus

and

> parampara. So first he betrayed his first Guru Srila Prabhupada

and

> than he didn't want to follow the order of the second guru. This

type

> of behavior in Vedic culture is regarded as unchaste just like

when

> woman at the time of marriage gives vows and than she stops

following

> them and jumps to some other man.Similarly Robert at the time of

> initiation by Srila Prabhupada has given him lifetime vows which

he

> is not following for many, many years. On the other hand whenever

> someone mentions this to Robert he just becomes uncontrollably mad

> and angry at that person that he cannot control himself, as you

could

> see from his last letter where he was accusing me that I hacked

> SJVC's web site. As you can see Robert has all the "good"

qualities

> of Guru and spiritual leader. He was always a looser and will

> continue to be one.

> >

> > To conclude only legal SJVC-USA organization in the USA is the

one

> incorporated in the state of New Jersey (and there is no other),

has

> registered office at: 1504 Riverton Road, Cinnaminson, N.J. 08077.

> Again, there is no other SJVC-USA like Robert & Co. are claiming,

> they are simply misleading you and lying to you.

> > Any unauthorized use of SJVC-USA corporate name, it's web site

> (www.sjvcusa.org), collections and fund raising done in the name

of

> SJVC-USA by unauthorized persons are legally punishable and

offenders

> will be legally prosecuted to the maximum possible extent.

> >

> > I am sorry that I have to act like this, but after tolerating

long

> lasting misconduct of Robert Koch as so called SJVC Guru, constant

> unauthorized use (hacking) of www.sjvcusa.org and giving false and

> misleading information on the same web site, constant hassle and

lies

> that he was spreading about SJVC and myself personally, I had to

> resort to this step because someone has to put Robert in his

place.

> >

> > Hare Krishna,

> > Dinanatha Das (SJVC-USA Secretary)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Robert A. Koch

> > sjvc

> > Cc: Achyuta ; varahamihira ; vedic astrology

> > Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:22 PM

> > [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: [sjvc] SJVC Site - Hacked?

> >

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > Dear Jyotish gurus and sisyas,

> >

> > Narayan Iyer has written as follows:

> >

> > >Om Jaya Jagganath

> > >-----------------

> > >

> > >Namaste Friends,

> > >

> > >It appears to me that the contents of the following link

> > >http://www.sjvcusa.org/org/organisation.htm

> > >

> > >has been hacked.

> > >

> > >I am also pretty sure who was behind all this. Robert &

Brendan's

> > >name have been removed and instead Dinanatha's name is replaced.

> > >Hope this situation is rectified immediately.

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >Narayan

> >

> > Narayan, you are absolutely correct. The removal of myself,

> Brendan, and

> > Laksmi is indeed part of the insidious workings of Dina-natha.

> For those

> > who may not know the history, let me provide a brief summary:

Dina-

> natha

> > had been removed from any spiritual, instructing, or

administrative

> duties

> > in SJVC, due to continuous and reckless verbal offenses

committed

> to not

> > just myself, but Brendan, Laksmi, and even Sanjay. He had been

> given

> > numerous warnings, and encouragement to "bury the ax", to try to

> diffuse

> > his unreasonable and unconscionable anger, and learn how to work

> > cooperatively. Still, he ignored these requests and continued

to

> launch a

> > self-determined assault on all those who had been personally

hand-

> picked by

> > Sanjay to head the SJVC in north and south Americas. Why he

has

> chosen to

> > embark on this hurtful and destructive path, only Lord Sri

> Jagannatha

> > Mahaprabhu knows the answer.

> >

> > Let all be advised, that Dina-natha has no standing whatsoever

in

> > SJVC-USA. His reprehensible activities of hacking into and

> dismembering

> > the SJVC site should be ignored, while in the meantime, we shall

> look into

> > the technical side of this matter further. No one shall give

> donations of

> > any kind in the name of SJVC to Dina-natha, nor is he to be

given

> any

> > regard as a prior member of this organization, nor should

anybody

> pay

> > attention to what he says. His mindless and delusional

activities

> shall

> > be ignored. If anybody has any doubts as to the true intent of

> Sri Sanjay

> > Rath in these matters, then he/she may contact him directly.

> >

> > In the service of Jyotir-vidya,

> > Robert

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> > Faculty Member, SJVC and ACVA

> > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

> > http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

> > Ph: 541.318.0248