Guest guest Posted September 29, 2002 Report Share Posted September 29, 2002 Guruji,Narasimha,Zoran,Visti, and List, I have been reading and learning from the various posts for the past six months and keenly following all the discussions of the learned gurus. I have been approached by the parents(especially mother) for this child. For the past few months(8-10) the child has lost all interest in studies and is unable to concentrate on his studies(any activity) for long.The lack of concerntration is such that he is unable to sit for studies for less than an hour and appears lost and tensed most of the time.Before this the child was quite conscientious .The matter has reached the proportion that the child is not eating well and is losing weight.Medically there is no problem. Analysis of the chart reveals that- LEO Ascendent (Lord Sun placed in 8th house) Fourth house(Rasi chart) 1. Debiliated moon in 4th house(scorpio) 2. Mars, the lord of 4th placed in 6th house along with Rahu and venus 3. 4th house has the rasi drishti- cancer,(12th),Capricon(6th),Mars (9th) 4. Mars is also the Yogakaraka as well as the badhak As the 4th lord Mars is in dusthana 4th house-ie education is affected.As malefic planets predominate in influencing the house there are hinderances in education/requiring hard work.Argala on the 4th house is 5th house(saturn),7th house and 2nd house Fifth house(Rasi chart) 1,Saturn is placed in the 5th ( sagittarius). 2. Its lord Jupiter is lord of 8th placed in 11th house. 3.Graha drishti-Jupiter 4.Rasi drishi-Gemini(11th)Virgo(2nd)Pisces(8th). Saturn placement shows slow developement of knowledge though it is good for spiritual knowledge. Saturn is the AK and is vargottam that is placed in same rasi in both rasi chart and navamsa. AL in 3rd is aspected by Jupiter.HL is placed in sag.GL is placed in Pisces. In navamsa the 4th lord is sun placed in 3rd house(cancer) along with Rahu and mercury. 5th house has moon in Virgo.Exchange of houses between moon and mercury and has the aspect of Saturn placed in the 8th along with Juptier. Presently the Mercury dasa is running from 18-11-2000 upto 18-11-2017. The Ista Devta is Saturn because the 12th house from AK(7th house) is scorpio, empty having the rasi drishti of cancer, capricon and Aries.Saturn has the highest in degs.The child has started praying to lord Ganesha and Ista Devta-Om Namo Narayana. Please suggest what further can be done? The Birth details of child are:- Date:- 17th march 1990 Time:- 16.16.39 Place:- New delhi regards, Srishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah Dear Srishi, Mercury Dasa is running and is the 11th & 2nd lord placed in the 8th house, with Lagna lord Sun and both Mandi and Gulika. note this. Moon is furthermore debilitated! No doubt there is some sort of mental anxiety present in the boy, and it seems that its due to mental disease. Mercury is Paraspara Karaka to Jupiter being 8th lord and kharesh, as well as Saturn the 6th lord, hence the problem is clear. Mercury is furthermore in the 1st Kauluka, hence the disease is internal, and cannot be found quickly.. definitely mental. You can confirm more D-6 and D-30 The remedy is in Worshipping Vishnu, as Mercury is in the 1st Drekkana and joined Sun, the specific Avatara is Sri Rama. The following Mantra will do wonders: "Om Sri Raama, Raama, Raama" Note that the mantra is Astakshari and will quickly give the beneficial effects. However the native will not be completely out of the woods until Ketu Antara, who is in Mercuries Nakshetra. Good luck to him! Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/ - arsuno vedic astrology Sunday, September 29, 2002 5:26 PM [vedic astrology] Can we help this child and how? Guruji,Narasimha,Zoran,Visti, and List, I have been reading and learning from the various posts for the past six months and keenly following all the discussions of the learned gurus.I have been approached by the parents(especially mother) for this child. For the past few months(8-10) the child has lost all interest in studies and is unable to concentrate on his studies(any activity) for long.The lack of concerntration is such that he is unable to sit for studies for less than an hour and appears lost and tensed most of the time.Before this the child was quite conscientious .The matter has reached the proportion that the child is not eating well and is losing weight.Medically there is no problem.Analysis of the chart reveals that- LEO Ascendent (Lord Sun placed in 8th house)Fourth house(Rasi chart)1. Debiliated moon in 4th house(scorpio)2. Mars, the lord of 4th placed in 6th house along with Rahu and venus3. 4th house has the rasi drishti- cancer,(12th),Capricon(6th),Mars(9th)4. Mars is also the Yogakaraka as well as the badhakAs the 4th lord Mars is in dusthana 4th house-ie education is affected.As malefic planets predominate in influencing the house there are hinderances in education/requiring hard work.Argala on the 4th house is 5th house(saturn),7th house and 2nd houseFifth house(Rasi chart)1,Saturn is placed in the 5th ( sagittarius).2. Its lord Jupiter is lord of 8th placed in 11th house.3.Graha drishti-Jupiter4.Rasi drishi-Gemini(11th)Virgo(2nd)Pisces(8th).Saturn placement shows slow developement of knowledge though it is good for spiritual knowledge. Saturn is the AK and is vargottam that is placed in same rasi in both rasi chart and navamsa.AL in 3rd is aspected by Jupiter.HL is placed in sag.GL is placed in Pisces.In navamsa the 4th lord is sun placed in 3rd house(cancer) along with Rahu and mercury.5th house has moon in Virgo.Exchange of houses between moon and mercury and has the aspect of Saturn placed in the 8th along with Juptier.Presently the Mercury dasa is running from 18-11-2000 upto 18-11-2017.The Ista Devta is Saturn because the 12th house from AK(7th house) is scorpio, empty having the rasi drishti of cancer, capricon and Aries.Saturn has the highest in degs.The child has startedpraying to lord Ganesha and Ista Devta-Om Namo Narayana.Please suggest what further can be done?The Birth details of child are:-Date:- 17th march 1990Time:- 16.16.39 Place:- New delhiregards,SrishiArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Attachment: (application/octet-stream) srishi - Boy with school probs.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 Om Namo Narayanaya, I have nothing to add but to agree with Visti. Perhaps, some additional ayurvedic-oral rasayana would help, Budha being 2nd lord (food/drinks taken) and placed in 8th house of weakness. Do consult an ayurvedic physician. All best to him Zoran Visti Larsen wrote: Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah Dear Srishi,Mercury Dasa is running and is the 11th & 2nd lord placed in the 8th house, with Lagna lord Sun and both Mandi and Gulika. note this.Moon is furthermore debilitated! No doubt there is some sort of mental anxiety present in the boy, and it seems that its due to mental disease. Mercury is Paraspara Karaka to Jupiter being 8th lord and kharesh, as well as Saturn the 6th lord, hence the problem is clear. Mercury is furthermore in the 1st Kauluka, hence the disease is internal, and cannot be found quickly.. definitely mental. You can confirm more D-6 and D-30 The remedy is in Worshipping Vishnu, as Mercury is in the 1st Drekkana and joined Sun, the specific Avatara is Sri Rama. The following Mantra will do wonders:"Om Sri Raama, Raama, Raama"Note that the mantra is Astakshari and will quickly give the beneficial effects. However the native will not be completely out of the woods until Ketu Antara, who is in Mercuries Nakshetra. Good luck to him! Best wishes Visti --- Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org ITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/ - arsuno vedic astrology Sunday, September 29, 2002 5:26 PM [vedic astrology] Can we help this child and how? Guruji,Narasimha,Zoran,Visti, and List, I have been reading and learning from the various posts for the past six months and keenly following all the discussions of the learned gurus. I have been approached by the parents(especially mother) for this child. For the past few months(8-10) the child has lost all interest in studies and is unable to concentrate on his studies(any activity) for long.The lack of concerntration is such that he is unable to sit for studies for less than an hour and appears lost and tensed most of the time.Before this the child was quite conscientious ..The matter has reached the proportion that the child is not eating well and is losing weight.Medically there is no problem. Analysis of the chart reveals that- LEO Ascendent (Lord Sun placed in 8th house) Fourth house(Rasi chart) 1. Debiliated moon in 4th house(scorpio) 2. Mars, the lord of 4th placed in 6th house along with Rahu and venus 3. 4th house has the rasi drishti- cancer,(12th),Capricon(6th),Mars (9th) 4. Mars is also the Yogakaraka as well as the badhak As the 4th lord Mars is in dusthana 4th house-ie education is affected.As malefic planets predominate in influencing the house there are hinderances in education/requiring hard work.Argala on the 4th house is 5th house(saturn),7th house and 2nd house Fifth house(Rasi chart) 1,Saturn is placed in the 5th ( sagittarius). 2. Its lord Jupiter is lord of 8th placed in 11th house. 3.Graha drishti-Jupiter 4.Rasi drishi-Gemini(11th)Virgo(2nd)Pisces(8th). Saturn placement shows slow developement of knowledge though it is good for spiritual knowledge. Saturn is the AK and is vargottam that is placed in same rasi in both rasi chart and navamsa. AL in 3rd is aspected by Jupiter.HL is placed in sag.GL is placed in Pisces. In navamsa the 4th lord is sun placed in 3rd house(cancer) along with Rahu and mercury. 5th house has moon in Virgo.Exchange of houses between moon and mercury and has the aspect of Saturn placed in the 8th along with Juptier. Presently the Mercury dasa is running from 18-11-2000 upto 18-11-2017. The Ista Devta is Saturn because the 12th house from AK(7th house) is scorpio, empty having the rasi drishti of cancer, capricon and Aries.Saturn has the highest in degs.The child has started praying to lord Ganesha and Ista Devta-Om Namo Narayana. Please suggest what further can be done? The Birth details of child are:- Date:- 17th march 1990 Time:- 16.16.39 Place:- New delhi regards, Srishi || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Terms of Service. || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Terms of Service. -- ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre email: ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net web: www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Aum Namah Shivaya Namaste, With all my respects to the knowledge and experience of Visti and Zoran, I beg to disagree with part of the analysis and most importantly the remedy/solution suggested. I request astrologers to kindly refrain from using words like `mental disease' etc, unless they are sure of the implication of the words used. We should be careful about the language we use in communicating our analysis to our clients. We often do not realize what seeds they can sow in the minds of people, especially young girls, parents of children, and most importantly the child himself. Please do not mistake me for writing this. Normally I would prefer not to contradict another astrologer's analysis. But in cases like this (involving a child), it is quite sensitive. Another point to be kept in mind is that Medical astrology is not to be done loosely (for that matter any form of astrology). To be able to employ medical astrology, one needs to be conversant (if not trained) with some form of medical system, since it involves a whole system of thinking. I will not do a full analysis of the chart here. Instead I will draw your attention to certain important areas that haven't been discussed fully. 1. Mercury COMBUST so close to the Sun within less than 2 degrees. Combust Mercury is further debilitated and is in a jala drekkana in Pisces. This debilitation of Mercury in the RASI repeats in two very important vargas D-3, D-12, apart from D-4. 2. Moon is also debilitated in the Rasi (D-1), D-3, and D-6. Furthermore Moon is in the first decante of Scorpio, a Sarpa drekkana. That such a Mercury is the 2nd and 11th lord in the 8th, and Moon the 12th lord in the 4th, only worsens the situation. The rest of the overall chart analysis can be done only after noting these important points. Any Neechabhanga that occurs in such cases has another implication. Firstly a planet is neecha, then there is bhanga. In other words, a problem exists that later gets cancelled or solved. While Mercury has been identified rightly, Moon's role has not been discussed as much as it deserves to be discussed. But why am I highlighting the Moon apart from Mercury? Look at the dashas. The universally applicable Vimshottari shows Mercury- Mercury. But there are other conditional nakshatra dashas, which are ideal for this chart. What are they? 1. Shat Trimsat (Daybirth and Lagna in Sun's hora)- quite ideal for this chart 2. Dwadashottari (D-9 lagna Taurus) 3. Ashtottari (Birth during Krishna paksha and daytime-- The applicability/ conditions for this dasa are controversial, with at least three alternate views that I have heard. So this may be discarded by those following any other view) 4. And of course Vimshottari Let us see the planetary periods for the same. ShatTrimsat: Moon (since antardasas are of short duration, not mentioned) Dwadashottari: Mercury-Saturn Ashtottari: Mercury-Moon (controversial?) Vimsottari: Mercury-Mercury (I would be interested to see whether the Tribaghi dasa also throws Moon into focus. I don't have the time to do manually. Can someone with a software that calculates tribaghi check and see? ) >From the above, it becomes clear that Moon is as much a part as Mercury. Furthermore, both Moon (manas-mind) and Mercury (buddhi- intellect) hold the natural significations for what seems to be the problem. Both are equally important in a case of this kind. Saturn could play some role with its placement in the 5th, as it may bring break in studies here, depending on other factors. Almost always, it is a good idea to look at the Consultation chart or Prasna chart. In this case, I read the post around 10.30am, at Sydney on October 01 2002 (today). And I cast a Prashna chart at 10.33.am, read both the Prasna and Natal charts till 10.50, finished my analysis, and am writing now, since I did not get time in between. The Prasna chart is interesting. I will mention the most important points only. 1. Lagna is in Sagittarius, Moon and Saturn in Gemini in the 7th, aspecting the lagna. 2. Lagna lord Jupiter is exalted in the 8th, while 8th lord Moon is aspecting lagna from the 7th. Jupiter is also the 4th lord. 3.7th lord Mercury exalted in the 10th and with Sun (combust) 4. But what is more interesting is that Moon is at 29degrees 41minutes in Gemini. It is an important principle that a ***PLANET THAT HAS JUST ENTERED OR IS LEAVING A SIGN is very important in a Prasna chart and could hold the key to the answer. Moon, the significator of the mind, and an important planet in Prasna is at the fag end of the sign, and will move into the next sign shortly to join the lagna lord Jupiter. 5. When the all important Moon moves into Cancer (he has already moved into Cancer as I write this), he ALMOST forms Tambira yoga, an important Tajika yoga, except that the deeptamsha range falls short. But whenever the Moon moves into a new sign, and gets within the deeptamsha range on the same day, as in this case, one should not ignore the nearly formed Tambira yoga. So what does Tambira yoga generally indicate? "Accomplishment of the objective with the help of someone, but with some delay". 11th lord Venus in the 11th is a good sign, though the soon to occur association of lagnesa and moon in the 8th makes it difficult. Now let us synthesize all the above points from the Jataka as well as Prasna charts into a meaningful lot. 1. Moon emerges as a key planet both in the Natal chart (in view of the already mentioned points and the Conditional dashas) as well as the Prashna chart. 2. Mercury is another equally important planet 3. Saturn could have some role too, though clearly it is Moon and Mercury that are more in focus. Once the grahas responsible for a problem are identified correctly, then the remedy may be planned. If one of the key planets is ignored, how can the remedy be fully effective. Generally there are three kinds of remedies prescribed by the wise- Mani (gemstones), Mantra, and Aushadha (medicine). An astrologer should know when to prescribe each of these. While a combination is generally preferred, every case has one as the predominant or main remedy, while mantra is quite often a general remedy. It is an **ESTABLISHED principle that WHENEVER MOON FIGURES PROMINENTLY, AUSHADHA OR MEDICINE SHOULD BE THE MAIN LINE. With both Mercury and Moon as the key planets, counseling is an important remedy that comes to mind. Now other remedies or treatment planning can follow after this basic analysis. Conclusion: The child needs help from a PROFESSIONAL CHILD PSYCHOLOGIST. The prognosis is fairly good, though it might take some time. Other remedies LIKE homa, japa etc may be undertaken for the benefits, but must probably be on the lines of Moon and Mercury. While one could do other techniques or methodologies in the analysis, I am sure that the solution should point to professional help, especially counseling, apart from any other spiritual remedies. Berfoe I end this post, let me clarify a few points. 1. I haven't written a full analysis of the chart, but preferred to highlight the points that are being ignored as I look at it. 2. Actually even if one does not do the other dashas, just from the birth chart and Prasna chart, Moon's role seems quite clear. Doing these is only for confirmation. 3. The idea of prescribing an oral rasayana, because "Budha being 2nd lord (food/drinks taken) and placed in 8th house of weakness", is a loose way of looking at medical astrology and remedies. Let me explain this more clearly. The most common route of administering a medicine is Oral, other than Intra Muscular (IM). Just because the planet is connected to the 2nd house, oral rasayanas cannot be just prescribed. For that matter, as I already said, most medicines are administered orally. So that is not really a point in my opinion. While it a good idea to see a physician (as Sri Zoran sort of indicated by the reference to the Ayurvedic physician), there is not much that Ayurveda can offer that Modern medicine cannot, in THIS CASE. Let me explain lest I be misunderstood. I am NOT BIASED towards modern medicine, just because I specialised as a Dental Surgeon. I also hold Diplomas in Siddha Medicine (a Tamil system similar to Ayurveda) as well as Yoga. In fact at one time I spent a few months staying at Dr.Mahadeva Iyer's place at the southernmost tip of India, studying Ayurveda, especially Panchakarma, while I discussed astrology with his family (three of them are Ayurvedic physicians) occasionally. His family has been into Ayurveda for 8 generations continuously and he himself holds a Masters in Ayurvedic medicine and surgery. I have observed and discussed various cases, as well as the gathering of herbs and making medicines in the prescribed manner in his place. Even he was of the opinion that there are some cases that are better treated by Modern medicine, some by either equally, while some are ideal for Ayurveda. It has become a very New Age thing to reject modern science and embrace all ancient, especially eastern ideas. It is a dollar spinning business for some. More and more so- called alternative medical practitioners are mushrooming in the west, with very little or no training in whatever form of medicine (?) they practice. A short certificate course or even a diploma cannot give the required ability, knowledge and skills required to such practitioners. Quite often a doctor takes five and half years in a Bachelor's degree, 2-3 yrs for his Masters and still needs some level of experience to do good work. Wonder how people trained in some alternative system for 6 months or even 2yrs can be trusted to achieve fantastic results! In short, my point is- if you want to go, go only to a University trained Ayurvedic physician (who actually studies for a similar amount of time like one trained in modern medicine). It is not true that ancient systems of medicine are superior or that they are inferior. While they have their advantages at times, modern medicine is actually quite good. It all depends really on the PRACTITIONER and not the subject alone. A good practitioner of Modern medicine, can be very good if he has a holistic attitude. But the above does not mean that I am not in favour of any ancient system of knowledge. I love all ancient Indian arts and sciences. If not, I would not be studying all these things. The best, in my opinion, at least as far as medicine is concerned, is a MODERN APPROACH with an ANCIENT SPIRIT. All forms of knowledge, are from the ONE SOURCE, the ONE that became MANY. They all sing His glory. We stand to be benefited by a diligent study of both the ancient and the modern. Finally let me clarify once more that I do respect Visti's and Zoran's knowledge. It is only that I disagree with the analysis partly and wholly with the choice of remedy. And of course with the choice of words, since medical analysis is a serious job to me. Kindly do not mistake me. Regards to all, Satya Please excuse me for any typos/mistakes, if any, since I typed this in a hurry. vedic astrology, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@N...> wrote: > Om Namo Narayanaya, > I have nothing to add but to agree with Visti. Perhaps, some additional > ayurvedic-oral rasayana would help, Budha being 2nd lord (food/drinks > taken) > and placed in 8th house of weakness. Do consult an ayurvedic physician. > All best to him > Zoran > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah > > ----- > > Dear Srishi,Mercury Dasa is running and is the 11th & 2nd lord placed > > in the 8th house, with Lagna lord Sun and both Mandi and Gulika. note > > this.Moon is furthermore debilitated! No doubt there is some sort of > > mental anxiety present in the boy, and it seems that its due to mental > > disease. Mercury is Paraspara Karaka to Jupiter being 8th lord and > > kharesh, as well as Saturn the 6th lord, hence the problem is clear. > > Mercury is furthermore in the 1st Kauluka, hence the disease is > > internal, and cannot be found quickly.. definitely mental. You can > > confirm more D-6 and D-30 The remedy is in Worshipping Vishnu, as > > Mercury is in the 1st Drekkana and joined Sun, the specific Avatara is > > Sri Rama. The following Mantra will do wonders:"Om Sri Raama, Raama, > > Raama"Note that the mantra is Astakshari and will quickly give the > > beneficial effects. However the native will not be completely out of > > the woods until Ketu Antara, who is in Mercuries Nakshetra. Good luck > > to him! Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > ITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/ > > > > - > > arsuno > > vedic astrology > > Sunday, September 29, 2002 5:26 PM > > [vedic astrology] Can we help this child and how? > > Guruji,Narasimha,Zoran,Visti, and List, > > I have been reading and learning from the various posts for > > the past > > six months and keenly following all the discussions of > > the learned > > gurus. > > I have been approached by the parents(especially mother) > > for this > > child. For the past few months(8-10) the child has lost all > > interest > > in studies and is unable to concentrate on his studies(any > > activity) > > for long.The lack of concerntration is such that he is > > unable to sit > > for studies for less than an hour and appears lost and > > tensed most > > of the time.Before this the child was quite conscientious > > .The > > matter has reached the proportion that the child is not > > eating well > > and is losing weight.Medically there is no problem. > > Analysis of the chart reveals that- LEO Ascendent (Lord Sun > > placed in > > 8th house) > > Fourth house(Rasi chart) > > 1. Debiliated moon in 4th house(scorpio) > > 2. Mars, the lord of 4th placed in 6th house along with Rahu > > and venus > > 3. 4th house has the rasi drishti- > > cancer,(12th),Capricon(6th),Mars > > (9th) > > 4. Mars is also the Yogakaraka as well as the badhak > > As the 4th lord Mars is in dusthana 4th house-ie education > > is > > affected.As malefic planets predominate in influencing the > > house > > there are hinderances in education/requiring hard > > work.Argala on the > > 4th house is 5th house(saturn),7th house and 2nd house > > Fifth house(Rasi chart) > > 1,Saturn is placed in the 5th ( sagittarius). > > 2. Its lord Jupiter is lord of 8th placed in 11th house. > > 3.Graha drishti-Jupiter > > 4.Rasi drishi-Gemini(11th)Virgo(2nd)Pisces(8th). > > Saturn placement shows slow developement of knowledge though > > it is > > good for spiritual knowledge. Saturn is the AK and is > > vargottam that > > is placed in same rasi in both rasi chart and navamsa. > > AL in 3rd is aspected by Jupiter.HL is placed in sag.GL is > > placed in > > Pisces. > > In navamsa the 4th lord is sun placed in 3rd house(cancer) > > along with > > Rahu and mercury. > > 5th house has moon in Virgo.Exchange of houses between moon > > and > > mercury and has the aspect of Saturn placed in the 8th along > > with > > Juptier. > > Presently the Mercury dasa is running from 18-11-2000 upto > > 18-11-2017. > > The Ista Devta is Saturn because the 12th house from AK(7th > > house) is > > scorpio, empty having the rasi drishti of cancer, capricon > > and > > Aries.Saturn has the highest in degs.The child has started > > praying to lord Ganesha and Ista Devta-Om Namo Narayana. > > Please suggest what further can be done? > > The Birth details of child are:- > > Date:- 17th march 1990 > > Time:- 16.16.39 > > Place:- New delhi > > regards, > > Srishi > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > -- > ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC > Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre > email: ahimsa@N... > web: www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Hello Dr. Satya: This analysis is so comprehensive. See--this is what I've found missing in the readings (paid, some very expensive) from Vedic astrologers. They never seem to go beyond the "sun in 7th will cause disputs with spouse and partners,exalted Jupiter in 9th will make you a famous and rich and religious person" so on and so forth. They fail to do a study based on various charts, a study based on upa- padas, etc. etc. And thus fail to make accurate predictions with related remedies and directions. I guess doing a reading that I'm talking about may be very expensive??? I've paid US$100 to 150 on various websites and gotten the same computer generated readings where even the grammer doesn't make sense as the computer is pulling out pre-programmed phrases. Does anyone know of a website or an astrologer who'd do a comprehensive reading like Dr. Choudhry or the one that PVR did for my marriage problems last week? Thanks. MD vedic astrology, "Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary" <satyaprakasika> wrote: > Aum Namah Shivaya > > > Namaste, > > With all my respects to the knowledge and experience of Visti and > Zoran, I beg to disagree with part of the analysis and most > importantly the remedy/solution suggested. I request astrologers to > kindly refrain from using words like `mental disease' etc, > unless they are sure of the implication of the words used. We should > be careful about the language we use in communicating our analysis to > our clients. We often do not realize what seeds they can sow in the > minds of people, especially young girls, parents of children, and > most importantly the child himself. Please do not mistake me for > writing this. Normally I would prefer not to contradict another > astrologer's analysis. But in cases like this (involving a > child), it is quite sensitive. Another point to be kept in mind is > that Medical astrology is not to be done loosely (for that matter any > form of astrology). To be able to employ medical astrology, one needs > to be conversant (if not trained) with some form of medical system, > since it involves a whole system of thinking. > > I will not do a full analysis of the chart here. Instead I will draw > your attention to certain important areas that haven't been > discussed > fully. > > > 1. Mercury COMBUST so close to the Sun within less than 2 > degrees. Combust Mercury is further debilitated and is in a jala > drekkana in Pisces. This debilitation of Mercury in the RASI repeats > in two very important vargas D-3, D-12, apart from D-4. > > > 2. Moon is also debilitated in the Rasi (D-1), D-3, and D-6. > Furthermore Moon is in the first decante of Scorpio, a Sarpa drekkana. > > > That such a Mercury is the 2nd and 11th lord in the 8th, and Moon the > 12th lord in the 4th, only worsens the situation. The rest of the > overall chart analysis can be done only after noting these important > points. Any Neechabhanga that occurs in such cases has another > implication. Firstly a planet is neecha, then there is bhanga. In > other words, a problem exists that later gets cancelled or solved. > While Mercury has been identified rightly, Moon's role has not > been discussed as much as it deserves to be discussed. But why am I > highlighting the Moon apart from Mercury? > > Look at the dashas. The universally applicable Vimshottari shows > Mercury- Mercury. But there are other conditional nakshatra dashas, > which are ideal for this chart. What are they? > > 1. Shat Trimsat (Daybirth and Lagna in Sun's hora)- quite ideal > for this chart > 2. Dwadashottari (D-9 lagna Taurus) > 3. Ashtottari (Birth during Krishna paksha and daytime-- The > applicability/ conditions for this dasa are controversial, with at > least three alternate views that I have heard. So this may be > discarded by those following any other view) > 4. And of course Vimshottari > > Let us see the planetary periods for the same. > > ShatTrimsat: Moon (since antardasas are of short duration, > not mentioned) > Dwadashottari: Mercury-Saturn > Ashtottari: Mercury-Moon (controversial?) > Vimsottari: Mercury-Mercury > > > (I would be interested to see whether the Tribaghi dasa also throws > Moon into focus. I don't have the time to do manually. Can > someone with a software that calculates tribaghi check and see? ) > > From the above, it becomes clear that Moon is as much a part as > Mercury. Furthermore, both Moon (manas-mind) and Mercury (buddhi- > intellect) hold the natural significations for what seems to be the > problem. Both are equally important in a case of this kind. Saturn > could play some role with its placement in the 5th, as it may bring > break in studies here, depending on other factors. > > Almost always, it is a good idea to look at the Consultation chart or > Prasna chart. In this case, I read the post around 10.30am, at Sydney > on October 01 2002 (today). And I cast a Prashna chart at 10.33.am, > read both the Prasna and Natal charts till 10.50, finished my > analysis, and am writing now, since I did not get time in between. > The Prasna chart is interesting. I will mention the most important > points only. > > 1. Lagna is in Sagittarius, Moon and Saturn in Gemini in the > 7th, aspecting the lagna. > > 2. Lagna lord Jupiter is exalted in the 8th, while 8th lord > Moon is aspecting lagna from the 7th. Jupiter is also the 4th lord. > > 3.7th lord Mercury exalted in the 10th and with Sun (combust) > > 4. But what is more interesting is that Moon is at 29degrees > 41minutes in Gemini. It is an important principle that a ***PLANET > THAT HAS JUST ENTERED OR IS LEAVING A SIGN is very important in a > Prasna chart and could hold the key to the answer. Moon, the > significator of the mind, and an important planet in Prasna is at the > fag end of the sign, and will move into the next sign shortly to join > the lagna lord Jupiter. > > 5. When the all important Moon moves into Cancer (he has already > moved into Cancer as I write this), he ALMOST forms Tambira yoga, an > important Tajika yoga, except that the deeptamsha range falls short. > But whenever the Moon moves into a new sign, and gets within the > deeptamsha range on the same day, as in this case, one should not > ignore the nearly formed Tambira yoga. > > So what does Tambira yoga generally indicate? "Accomplishment of > the objective with the help of someone, but with some delay". 11th > lord Venus in the 11th is a good sign, though the soon to occur > association of lagnesa and moon in the 8th makes it difficult. > > Now let us synthesize all the above points from the Jataka as well as > Prasna charts into a meaningful lot. > > 1. Moon emerges as a key planet both in the Natal chart (in view > of the already mentioned points and the Conditional dashas) as well > as the Prashna chart. > 2. Mercury is another equally important planet > 3. Saturn could have some role too, though clearly it is Moon > and Mercury that are more in focus. > > Once the grahas responsible for a problem are identified correctly, > then the remedy may be planned. If one of the key planets is ignored, > how can the remedy be fully effective. Generally there are three > kinds of remedies prescribed by the wise- Mani (gemstones), Mantra, > and Aushadha (medicine). An astrologer should know when to prescribe > each of these. While a combination is generally preferred, every case > has one as the predominant or main remedy, while mantra is quite > often a general remedy. It is an **ESTABLISHED principle that > WHENEVER MOON FIGURES PROMINENTLY, AUSHADHA OR MEDICINE SHOULD BE THE > MAIN LINE. With both Mercury and Moon as the key planets, counseling > is an important remedy that comes to mind. Now other remedies or > treatment planning can follow after this basic analysis. > > Conclusion: The child needs help from a PROFESSIONAL CHILD > PSYCHOLOGIST. The prognosis is fairly good, though it might take some > time. Other remedies LIKE homa, japa etc may be undertaken for the > benefits, but must probably be on the lines of Moon and Mercury. > While one could do other techniques or methodologies in the analysis, > I am sure that the solution should point to professional help, > especially counseling, apart from any other spiritual remedies. > > Berfoe I end this post, let me clarify a few points. > > 1. I haven't written a full analysis of the chart, but preferred > to highlight the points that are being ignored as I look at it. > > 2. Actually even if one does not do the other dashas, just from > the birth chart and Prasna chart, Moon's role seems quite clear. > Doing these is only for confirmation. > > 3. The idea of prescribing an oral rasayana, because "Budha > being 2nd lord (food/drinks taken) and placed in 8th house of > weakness", is a loose way of looking at medical astrology > and remedies. Let me explain this more clearly. The most common route > of administering a medicine is Oral, other than Intra Muscular (IM). > Just because the planet is connected to the 2nd house, oral rasayanas > cannot be just prescribed. For that matter, as I already said, most > medicines are administered orally. So that is not really a point in > my opinion. While it a good idea to see a physician (as Sri Zoran > sort of indicated by the reference to the Ayurvedic physician), there > is not much that Ayurveda can offer that Modern medicine cannot, in > THIS CASE. > > > Let me explain lest I be misunderstood. I am NOT BIASED towards > modern medicine, just because I specialised as a Dental Surgeon. I > also hold Diplomas in Siddha Medicine (a Tamil system similar to > Ayurveda) as well as Yoga. In fact at one time I spent a few months > staying at Dr.Mahadeva Iyer's place at the southernmost tip of > India, studying Ayurveda, especially Panchakarma, while I discussed > astrology with his family (three of them are Ayurvedic physicians) > occasionally. His family has been into Ayurveda for 8 generations > continuously and he himself holds a Masters in Ayurvedic medicine and > surgery. I have observed and discussed various cases, as well as the > gathering of herbs and making medicines in the prescribed manner in > his place. Even he was of the opinion that there are some cases that > are better treated by Modern medicine, some by either equally, while > some are ideal for Ayurveda. > > It has become a very New Age thing to reject modern science and > embrace all ancient, especially eastern ideas. It is a dollar > spinning business for some. More and more so- called alternative > medical practitioners are mushrooming in the west, with very little > or no training in whatever form of medicine (?) they practice. A > short certificate course or even a diploma cannot give the required > ability, knowledge and skills required to such practitioners. Quite > often a doctor takes five and half years in a Bachelor's degree, > 2-3 yrs for his Masters and still needs some level of experience to > do good work. Wonder how people trained in some alternative system > for 6 months or even 2yrs can be trusted to achieve fantastic > results! In short, my point is- if you want to go, go only to a > University trained Ayurvedic physician (who actually studies for a > similar amount of time like one trained in modern medicine). It is > not true that ancient systems of medicine are superior or that they > are inferior. While they have their advantages at times, modern > medicine is actually quite good. It all depends really on the > PRACTITIONER and not the subject alone. A good practitioner of Modern > medicine, can be very good if he has a holistic attitude. > > But the above does not mean that I am not in favour of any ancient > system of knowledge. I love all ancient Indian arts and sciences. If > not, I would not be studying all these things. The best, in my > opinion, at least as far as medicine is concerned, is a MODERN > APPROACH with an ANCIENT SPIRIT. All forms of knowledge, are from the > ONE SOURCE, the ONE that became MANY. They all sing His glory. We > stand to be benefited by a diligent study of both the ancient and the > modern. > > Finally let me clarify once more that I do respect Visti's and > Zoran's knowledge. It is only that I disagree with the analysis > partly and wholly with the choice of remedy. And of course with the > choice of words, since medical analysis is a serious job to me. > Kindly do not mistake me. > > Regards to all, > > Satya > > Please excuse me for any typos/mistakes, if any, since I typed this > in a hurry. > > > > vedic astrology, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@N...> wrote: > > Om Namo Narayanaya, > > I have nothing to add but to agree with Visti. Perhaps, some > additional > > ayurvedic-oral rasayana would help, Budha being 2nd lord > (food/drinks > > taken) > > and placed in 8th house of weakness. Do consult an ayurvedic > physician. > > All best to him > > Zoran > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah > > > ------------------------------- -- > ----- > > > Dear Srishi,Mercury Dasa is running and is the 11th & 2nd lord > placed > > > in the 8th house, with Lagna lord Sun and both Mandi and Gulika. > note > > > this.Moon is furthermore debilitated! No doubt there is some sort > of > > > mental anxiety present in the boy, and it seems that its due to > mental > > > disease. Mercury is Paraspara Karaka to Jupiter being 8th lord and > > > kharesh, as well as Saturn the 6th lord, hence the problem is > clear. > > > Mercury is furthermore in the 1st Kauluka, hence the disease is > > > internal, and cannot be found quickly.. definitely mental. You can > > > confirm more D-6 and D-30 The remedy is in Worshipping Vishnu, as > > > Mercury is in the 1st Drekkana and joined Sun, the specific > Avatara is > > > Sri Rama. The following Mantra will do wonders:"Om Sri Raama, > Raama, > > > Raama"Note that the mantra is Astakshari and will quickly give the > > > beneficial effects. However the native will not be completely out > of > > > the woods until Ketu Antara, who is in Mercuries Nakshetra. Good > luck > > > to him! Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > ITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/ > > > > > > - > > > arsuno > > > vedic astrology > > > Sunday, September 29, 2002 5:26 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Can we help this child and how? > > > Guruji,Narasimha,Zoran,Visti, and List, > > > I have been reading and learning from the various posts for > > > the past > > > six months and keenly following all the discussions of > > > the learned > > > gurus. > > > I have been approached by the parents(especially mother) > > > for this > > > child. For the past few months(8-10) the child has lost all > > > interest > > > in studies and is unable to concentrate on his studies(any > > > activity) > > > for long.The lack of concerntration is such that he is > > > unable to sit > > > for studies for less than an hour and appears lost and > > > tensed most > > > of the time.Before this the child was quite conscientious > > > .The > > > matter has reached the proportion that the child is not > > > eating well > > > and is losing weight.Medically there is no problem. > > > Analysis of the chart reveals that- LEO Ascendent (Lord Sun > > > placed in > > > 8th house) > > > Fourth house(Rasi chart) > > > 1. Debiliated moon in 4th house(scorpio) > > > 2. Mars, the lord of 4th placed in 6th house along with Rahu > > > and venus > > > 3. 4th house has the rasi drishti- > > > cancer,(12th),Capricon(6th),Mars > > > (9th) > > > 4. Mars is also the Yogakaraka as well as the badhak > > > As the 4th lord Mars is in dusthana 4th house-ie education > > > is > > > affected.As malefic planets predominate in influencing the > > > house > > > there are hinderances in education/requiring hard > > > work.Argala on the > > > 4th house is 5th house(saturn),7th house and 2nd house > > > Fifth house(Rasi chart) > > > 1,Saturn is placed in the 5th ( sagittarius). > > > 2. Its lord Jupiter is lord of 8th placed in 11th house. > > > 3.Graha drishti-Jupiter > > > 4.Rasi drishi-Gemini(11th)Virgo(2nd)Pisces(8th). > > > Saturn placement shows slow developement of knowledge though > > > it is > > > good for spiritual knowledge. Saturn is the AK and is > > > vargottam that > > > is placed in same rasi in both rasi chart and navamsa. > > > AL in 3rd is aspected by Jupiter.HL is placed in sag.GL is > > > placed in > > > Pisces. > > > In navamsa the 4th lord is sun placed in 3rd house(cancer) > > > along with > > > Rahu and mercury. > > > 5th house has moon in Virgo.Exchange of houses between moon > > > and > > > mercury and has the aspect of Saturn placed in the 8th along > > > with > > > Juptier. > > > Presently the Mercury dasa is running from 18-11-2000 upto > > > 18-11-2017. > > > The Ista Devta is Saturn because the 12th house from AK(7th > > > house) is > > > scorpio, empty having the rasi drishti of cancer, capricon > > > and > > > Aries.Saturn has the highest in degs.The child has started > > > praying to lord Ganesha and Ista Devta-Om Namo Narayana. > > > Please suggest what further can be done? > > > The Birth details of child are:- > > > Date:- 17th march 1990 > > > Time:- 16.16.39 > > > Place:- New delhi > > > regards, > > > Srishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > -- > > ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC > > Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre > > email: ahimsa@N... > > web: www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 OM Dear Shrishi, My sincere respects to Visti and Zoran and Dr. Choudhary. Reading the messages I could not resist making the comment below due to personal experience of similar situation to a close family member. Please have the parents of the child take him to a professional child psychologist and/or psychiatrist as Dr. Choudhary suggested. In a case like this one should use ALL options without adding stress to the family/child. Faith in HIM is of essence and emotional support and understanding from parents is of utmost importance so the child feels he can talk to the parents without any fear. Ensure the parents do not reprimand the child for any abnormal behaviour or poor performance in school etc, and also not keep asking the child "what are you doing" or "what are you thinking". If the child is stressed and tense he may have seen something or be fearful of something. I feel it is important to get to the bottom of why he feels this way and sooner that occurs the greater the chances of getting him out of this state with counselling and building his own mental/inner strength. I write this being a physician as well as having lost a cousin to mental illness who was brilliant at studies, who I played with in my childhood when I visited him and at about age of 12-13 years something similar to what you described occurred. My cousin was bullied by other students at school and then led to similar symptoms you describe. My uncle/aunt were in denial about his mental state and delayed in giving him professional help. He is in his 30s, remains withdrawn and totally dependent on other people. Please do not misunderstand me that the child you describe has a mental illness but am merely implying that the parents be guided in seeking professional help. This child may be unable to chant Mantra in his current state. If told by parents to do this it could be an added stress. May be the parents should do the Mantras suggested by Visti in the name of the child. Best Wishes. Ashwin. vedic astrology, "Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary" <satyaprakasika> wrote: > Aum Namah Shivaya > > > Namaste, > > With all my respects to the knowledge and experience of Visti and > Zoran, I beg to disagree with part of the analysis and most > importantly the remedy/solution suggested. I request astrologers to > kindly refrain from using words like `mental disease' etc, > unless they are sure of the implication of the words used. We should > be careful about the language we use in communicating our analysis to > our clients. We often do not realize what seeds they can sow in the > minds of people, especially young girls, parents of children, and > most importantly the child himself. Please do not mistake me for > writing this. Normally I would prefer not to contradict another > astrologer's analysis. But in cases like this (involving a > child), it is quite sensitive. Another point to be kept in mind is > that Medical astrology is not to be done loosely (for that matter any > form of astrology). To be able to employ medical astrology, one needs > to be conversant (if not trained) with some form of medical system, > since it involves a whole system of thinking. > > I will not do a full analysis of the chart here. Instead I will draw > your attention to certain important areas that haven't been > discussed > fully. > > > 1. Mercury COMBUST so close to the Sun within less than 2 > degrees. Combust Mercury is further debilitated and is in a jala > drekkana in Pisces. This debilitation of Mercury in the RASI repeats > in two very important vargas D-3, D-12, apart from D-4. > > > 2. Moon is also debilitated in the Rasi (D-1), D-3, and D-6. > Furthermore Moon is in the first decante of Scorpio, a Sarpa drekkana. > > > That such a Mercury is the 2nd and 11th lord in the 8th, and Moon the > 12th lord in the 4th, only worsens the situation. The rest of the > overall chart analysis can be done only after noting these important > points. Any Neechabhanga that occurs in such cases has another > implication. Firstly a planet is neecha, then there is bhanga. In > other words, a problem exists that later gets cancelled or solved. > While Mercury has been identified rightly, Moon's role has not > been discussed as much as it deserves to be discussed. But why am I > highlighting the Moon apart from Mercury? > > Look at the dashas. The universally applicable Vimshottari shows > Mercury- Mercury. But there are other conditional nakshatra dashas, > which are ideal for this chart. What are they? > > 1. Shat Trimsat (Daybirth and Lagna in Sun's hora)- quite ideal > for this chart > 2. Dwadashottari (D-9 lagna Taurus) > 3. Ashtottari (Birth during Krishna paksha and daytime-- The > applicability/ conditions for this dasa are controversial, with at > least three alternate views that I have heard. So this may be > discarded by those following any other view) > 4. And of course Vimshottari > > Let us see the planetary periods for the same. > > ShatTrimsat: Moon (since antardasas are of short duration, > not mentioned) > Dwadashottari: Mercury-Saturn > Ashtottari: Mercury-Moon (controversial?) > Vimsottari: Mercury-Mercury > > > (I would be interested to see whether the Tribaghi dasa also throws > Moon into focus. I don't have the time to do manually. Can > someone with a software that calculates tribaghi check and see? ) > > From the above, it becomes clear that Moon is as much a part as > Mercury. Furthermore, both Moon (manas-mind) and Mercury (buddhi- > intellect) hold the natural significations for what seems to be the > problem. Both are equally important in a case of this kind. Saturn > could play some role with its placement in the 5th, as it may bring > break in studies here, depending on other factors. > > Almost always, it is a good idea to look at the Consultation chart or > Prasna chart. In this case, I read the post around 10.30am, at Sydney > on October 01 2002 (today). And I cast a Prashna chart at 10.33.am, > read both the Prasna and Natal charts till 10.50, finished my > analysis, and am writing now, since I did not get time in between. > The Prasna chart is interesting. I will mention the most important > points only. > > 1. Lagna is in Sagittarius, Moon and Saturn in Gemini in the > 7th, aspecting the lagna. > > 2. Lagna lord Jupiter is exalted in the 8th, while 8th lord > Moon is aspecting lagna from the 7th. Jupiter is also the 4th lord. > > 3.7th lord Mercury exalted in the 10th and with Sun (combust) > > 4. But what is more interesting is that Moon is at 29degrees > 41minutes in Gemini. It is an important principle that a ***PLANET > THAT HAS JUST ENTERED OR IS LEAVING A SIGN is very important in a > Prasna chart and could hold the key to the answer. Moon, the > significator of the mind, and an important planet in Prasna is at the > fag end of the sign, and will move into the next sign shortly to join > the lagna lord Jupiter. > > 5. When the all important Moon moves into Cancer (he has already > moved into Cancer as I write this), he ALMOST forms Tambira yoga, an > important Tajika yoga, except that the deeptamsha range falls short. > But whenever the Moon moves into a new sign, and gets within the > deeptamsha range on the same day, as in this case, one should not > ignore the nearly formed Tambira yoga. > > So what does Tambira yoga generally indicate? "Accomplishment of > the objective with the help of someone, but with some delay". 11th > lord Venus in the 11th is a good sign, though the soon to occur > association of lagnesa and moon in the 8th makes it difficult. > > Now let us synthesize all the above points from the Jataka as well as > Prasna charts into a meaningful lot. > > 1. Moon emerges as a key planet both in the Natal chart (in view > of the already mentioned points and the Conditional dashas) as well > as the Prashna chart. > 2. Mercury is another equally important planet > 3. Saturn could have some role too, though clearly it is Moon > and Mercury that are more in focus. > > Once the grahas responsible for a problem are identified correctly, > then the remedy may be planned. If one of the key planets is ignored, > how can the remedy be fully effective. Generally there are three > kinds of remedies prescribed by the wise- Mani (gemstones), Mantra, > and Aushadha (medicine). An astrologer should know when to prescribe > each of these. While a combination is generally preferred, every case > has one as the predominant or main remedy, while mantra is quite > often a general remedy. It is an **ESTABLISHED principle that > WHENEVER MOON FIGURES PROMINENTLY, AUSHADHA OR MEDICINE SHOULD BE THE > MAIN LINE. With both Mercury and Moon as the key planets, counseling > is an important remedy that comes to mind. Now other remedies or > treatment planning can follow after this basic analysis. > > Conclusion: The child needs help from a PROFESSIONAL CHILD > PSYCHOLOGIST. The prognosis is fairly good, though it might take some > time. Other remedies LIKE homa, japa etc may be undertaken for the > benefits, but must probably be on the lines of Moon and Mercury. > While one could do other techniques or methodologies in the analysis, > I am sure that the solution should point to professional help, > especially counseling, apart from any other spiritual remedies. > > Berfoe I end this post, let me clarify a few points. > > 1. I haven't written a full analysis of the chart, but preferred > to highlight the points that are being ignored as I look at it. > > 2. Actually even if one does not do the other dashas, just from > the birth chart and Prasna chart, Moon's role seems quite clear. > Doing these is only for confirmation. > > 3. The idea of prescribing an oral rasayana, because "Budha > being 2nd lord (food/drinks taken) and placed in 8th house of > weakness", is a loose way of looking at medical astrology > and remedies. Let me explain this more clearly. The most common route > of administering a medicine is Oral, other than Intra Muscular (IM). > Just because the planet is connected to the 2nd house, oral rasayanas > cannot be just prescribed. For that matter, as I already said, most > medicines are administered orally. So that is not really a point in > my opinion. While it a good idea to see a physician (as Sri Zoran > sort of indicated by the reference to the Ayurvedic physician), there > is not much that Ayurveda can offer that Modern medicine cannot, in > THIS CASE. > > > Let me explain lest I be misunderstood. I am NOT BIASED towards > modern medicine, just because I specialised as a Dental Surgeon. I > also hold Diplomas in Siddha Medicine (a Tamil system similar to > Ayurveda) as well as Yoga. In fact at one time I spent a few months > staying at Dr.Mahadeva Iyer's place at the southernmost tip of > India, studying Ayurveda, especially Panchakarma, while I discussed > astrology with his family (three of them are Ayurvedic physicians) > occasionally. His family has been into Ayurveda for 8 generations > continuously and he himself holds a Masters in Ayurvedic medicine and > surgery. I have observed and discussed various cases, as well as the > gathering of herbs and making medicines in the prescribed manner in > his place. Even he was of the opinion that there are some cases that > are better treated by Modern medicine, some by either equally, while > some are ideal for Ayurveda. > > It has become a very New Age thing to reject modern science and > embrace all ancient, especially eastern ideas. It is a dollar > spinning business for some. More and more so- called alternative > medical practitioners are mushrooming in the west, with very little > or no training in whatever form of medicine (?) they practice. A > short certificate course or even a diploma cannot give the required > ability, knowledge and skills required to such practitioners. Quite > often a doctor takes five and half years in a Bachelor's degree, > 2-3 yrs for his Masters and still needs some level of experience to > do good work. Wonder how people trained in some alternative system > for 6 months or even 2yrs can be trusted to achieve fantastic > results! In short, my point is- if you want to go, go only to a > University trained Ayurvedic physician (who actually studies for a > similar amount of time like one trained in modern medicine). It is > not true that ancient systems of medicine are superior or that they > are inferior. While they have their advantages at times, modern > medicine is actually quite good. It all depends really on the > PRACTITIONER and not the subject alone. A good practitioner of Modern > medicine, can be very good if he has a holistic attitude. > > But the above does not mean that I am not in favour of any ancient > system of knowledge. I love all ancient Indian arts and sciences. If > not, I would not be studying all these things. The best, in my > opinion, at least as far as medicine is concerned, is a MODERN > APPROACH with an ANCIENT SPIRIT. All forms of knowledge, are from the > ONE SOURCE, the ONE that became MANY. They all sing His glory. We > stand to be benefited by a diligent study of both the ancient and the > modern. > > Finally let me clarify once more that I do respect Visti's and > Zoran's knowledge. It is only that I disagree with the analysis > partly and wholly with the choice of remedy. And of course with the > choice of words, since medical analysis is a serious job to me. > Kindly do not mistake me. > > Regards to all, > > Satya > > Please excuse me for any typos/mistakes, if any, since I typed this > in a hurry. > > > > vedic astrology, Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa@N...> wrote: > > Om Namo Narayanaya, > > I have nothing to add but to agree with Visti. Perhaps, some > additional > > ayurvedic-oral rasayana would help, Budha being 2nd lord > (food/drinks > > taken) > > and placed in 8th house of weakness. Do consult an ayurvedic > physician. > > All best to him > > Zoran > > > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > > > > Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah > > > ------------------------------ --- > ----- > > > Dear Srishi,Mercury Dasa is running and is the 11th & 2nd lord > placed > > > in the 8th house, with Lagna lord Sun and both Mandi and Gulika. > note > > > this.Moon is furthermore debilitated! No doubt there is some sort > of > > > mental anxiety present in the boy, and it seems that its due to > mental > > > disease. Mercury is Paraspara Karaka to Jupiter being 8th lord and > > > kharesh, as well as Saturn the 6th lord, hence the problem is > clear. > > > Mercury is furthermore in the 1st Kauluka, hence the disease is > > > internal, and cannot be found quickly.. definitely mental. You can > > > confirm more D-6 and D-30 The remedy is in Worshipping Vishnu, as > > > Mercury is in the 1st Drekkana and joined Sun, the specific > Avatara is > > > Sri Rama. The following Mantra will do wonders:"Om Sri Raama, > Raama, > > > Raama"Note that the mantra is Astakshari and will quickly give the > > > beneficial effects. However the native will not be completely out > of > > > the woods until Ketu Antara, who is in Mercuries Nakshetra. Good > luck > > > to him! Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > ITRANS Font: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/ > > > > > > - > > > arsuno > > > vedic astrology > > > Sunday, September 29, 2002 5:26 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Can we help this child and how? > > > Guruji,Narasimha,Zoran,Visti, and List, > > > I have been reading and learning from the various posts for > > > the past > > > six months and keenly following all the discussions of > > > the learned > > > gurus. > > > I have been approached by the parents(especially mother) > > > for this > > > child. For the past few months(8-10) the child has lost all > > > interest > > > in studies and is unable to concentrate on his studies(any > > > activity) > > > for long.The lack of concerntration is such that he is > > > unable to sit > > > for studies for less than an hour and appears lost and > > > tensed most > > > of the time.Before this the child was quite conscientious > > > .The > > > matter has reached the proportion that the child is not > > > eating well > > > and is losing weight.Medically there is no problem. > > > Analysis of the chart reveals that- LEO Ascendent (Lord Sun > > > placed in > > > 8th house) > > > Fourth house(Rasi chart) > > > 1. Debiliated moon in 4th house(scorpio) > > > 2. Mars, the lord of 4th placed in 6th house along with Rahu > > > and venus > > > 3. 4th house has the rasi drishti- > > > cancer,(12th),Capricon(6th),Mars > > > (9th) > > > 4. Mars is also the Yogakaraka as well as the badhak > > > As the 4th lord Mars is in dusthana 4th house-ie education > > > is > > > affected.As malefic planets predominate in influencing the > > > house > > > there are hinderances in education/requiring hard > > > work.Argala on the > > > 4th house is 5th house(saturn),7th house and 2nd house > > > Fifth house(Rasi chart) > > > 1,Saturn is placed in the 5th ( sagittarius). > > > 2. Its lord Jupiter is lord of 8th placed in 11th house. > > > 3.Graha drishti-Jupiter > > > 4.Rasi drishi-Gemini(11th)Virgo(2nd)Pisces(8th). > > > Saturn placement shows slow developement of knowledge though > > > it is > > > good for spiritual knowledge. Saturn is the AK and is > > > vargottam that > > > is placed in same rasi in both rasi chart and navamsa. > > > AL in 3rd is aspected by Jupiter.HL is placed in sag.GL is > > > placed in > > > Pisces. > > > In navamsa the 4th lord is sun placed in 3rd house(cancer) > > > along with > > > Rahu and mercury. > > > 5th house has moon in Virgo.Exchange of houses between moon > > > and > > > mercury and has the aspect of Saturn placed in the 8th along > > > with > > > Juptier. > > > Presently the Mercury dasa is running from 18-11-2000 upto > > > 18-11-2017. > > > The Ista Devta is Saturn because the 12th house from AK (7th > > > house) is > > > scorpio, empty having the rasi drishti of cancer, capricon > > > and > > > Aries.Saturn has the highest in degs.The child has started > > > praying to lord Ganesha and Ista Devta-Om Namo Narayana. > > > Please suggest what further can be done? > > > The Birth details of child are:- > > > Date:- 17th march 1990 > > > Time:- 16.16.39 > > > Place:- New delhi > > > regards, > > > Srishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > -- > > ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC > > Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath Vedic Centre > > email: ahimsa@N... > > web: www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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