Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Hi Bhatt, All, Very good post/question here. I will try to address it. Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are in the class of combinations that are known as Raj Yogas - those combinations of planets, houses and signs that denote above-success in virtually all areas of life. The PMPYs exist when any one of Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus or Saturn occupies its own or exaltation sign while at the same time is placed in an angular or trinal house from the Asc. It is recommended that it also be seen in the same position from the Moon and Sun - this is the classical view - and the same planets checked in the Navamsa for strength as well. I have found that the same can be said to be true if the PMPY planet in question is seen from the AK as per the Jaimini system, and/or, from the perspective of the Asc Lord. While neither of these two are considered in the classical literature, I have seen such situations to hold true in actual practice. Because so many people can be born with Saturn exalted, or say, Jupiter in Pisces, we have to very careful to check and double check the chart for the multiple occurrance of PMPY from all 3 primary Ascendants. And even then, one has to be careful that the planet(s) are not combust, or aspected or associated with malefics. Such conditions, once one takes the time to seek all of this out, is relatively rare. I have in my possession, two charts which illustrate the points I make very clearly. Both are females, and here is their data: Hamsa Yoga Female Dec 31, 1975 6:45am EST Philadelphia, PA USA Asc 5 Sag 37, Lahiri Bhadra Yoga Female Oct 11, 1970 12:05am EDT Philadelphia, PA USA Asc 29 Gem 24, Lahiri Now... The HYF has Jupiter in very good position from all three Lagnas: note the Jupiter in Pisces in the 4th, with the Sun and Moon in the Asc all in Sag. Jupiter is also well placed because it is in Mercury's star, and is the Asc Lord to boot. But note its position in the Navamsa, debilitated and aspected by Rahu. Therefore, while this female did indeed exhibit some of what we would come to expect from Hamsa Yoga, she did not do so in full due to the problems Jupiter represents. Further, this lady does not get Jupiter Dasa until her mid-60s. The BYF also has her Asc Lord playing the role of PMPY - but note that Mercury here is severly hampered by its being hemmed in by Mars and the Sun. Further, Mercury is in the 8th from the Moon. She had her Mercury Dasa beginning in her 24th year, back in 1994. During this time, she experienced all manner of problems, including an abortion due to an adulterous affair, spousal abuse from her live-in boyfriend/common law husband, and her daughter was sexually molested by one of her boyfriends buddies. Note how Mercury is also in the 6th from the AK Saturn and that Mercury also rules a weakened Asc; Mars in this chart, due to it belonging to a female, gives rise to Kuja Dosha; Mercury rules the 5th from the Moon and is placed in the 8th from the Moon of Sexual Issues. Note how Saturn and Rahu both aspect the Asc, and Mars associates with Mars, the single worst planet for a Gemini Asc. Right now, she is about to go into Mercury/Mars, beginning in Jan 2003, to followed up by Mercury/Rahu in Dec 2003. Finally, note that she also have to contend with Mercury/Saturn in Oct of 2008. None of this suggests a smooth ride. If you look at the charts of immensely successful people, you will tend to notice that they not only have strong PMPY planets in the Rasi from the view of all of the Ascendants, but those same planets very often are strengthened in the Navamsa, AND their planetary periods tend to run at the appropriate times. Just a few thoughts. Salaam, Mu --- vrkodarbhatt <vrkodarbhatt wrote: > Hi > > I often get confused what the efect of a PMP yoga > would bestow, give > the changes in ge, political, demographical scenario > since sages' > time. > > My observation says that, if one has a PMP yoga > (should also be > present in the d9 or d60) will make the native well > above average, > with good results in all fields. > > Similar case with raja yoga. One needs to have > atleast two good raja > yogas (confirmed in navamsa) to deliver effects like > PMP yoga does. > > When determining the yogas the balance of ava yogas > and yogas should > be considered. > > > ===== Mu'Min M. Bey Western and Vedic Astrologer mumin_bey AOL IM Screen Name: JediMu 2Way Pager: 1-877-345-6499/8773456499; Cell phone: 267-978-2812 Join the Pan Astrological Forum, Where Freedom in Astrological Thought Lives! Just send a blank email to panastroforum- Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Mu, I have a chart with a libra ascendant, moon in 4th, sun in 7th. Hence a PMPY are immediately very strong. He also has exalted retro saturn in 1st(but in taurus with Rahu in navamsa) and exalted, vargottama jupiter in 10th in Punarvasu. Jupiter dasa has been running since Oct 1991. I would think that Rahu dasa was better for him in many ways than Jupiter dasa. In Jupiter dasa (Oct 1992), he left his job after 8 years, partly as his pride was hurt, but also because he was stagnating technically. In the next while he successfully transferred into a new technical area and excelled at it. But during the next 8 years (1994-2002) the company he was working for ran into financial difficulties. After not being paid for 2 years, he finally resigned in 2002, and is currently looking taking a long holiday before looking for work next year. He joined the company in Jupiter/Saturn. Given the strength of the Hamsa Yoga, with Jupiter also participating in a Gajakesari Yoga, I would have expected things to run much smoother for him. But on the whole it has been a happy time for him and he got to travel a lot which is the only thing that he is really interested in. I think the aspect of saturn on the 10th house jupiter should be taken into account here perhaps. The sun saturn opposition also worked exactly as he had a car accident as a pedestrian in which he broke a calf bone. Next year he starts Jupiter/Moon. I think this should be a great period for him in terms of a career change. I attach the chart for your info as a great example of PMPY. Regards, Nimmi - "Mu'Min Bey" <mumin_bey <vedic astrology> Friday, November 22, 2002 4:58 AM [vedic astrology] Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas > > Hi Bhatt, All, > > Very good post/question here. I will try to address > it. > > Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are in the class of > combinations that are known as Raj Yogas - those > combinations of planets, houses and signs that denote > above-success in virtually all areas of life. > > The PMPYs exist when any one of Mars, Mercury, > Jupiter, Venus or Saturn occupies its own or > exaltation sign while at the same time is placed in an > angular or trinal house from the Asc. It is > recommended that it also be seen in the same position > from the Moon and Sun - this is the classical view - > and the same planets checked in the Navamsa for > strength as well. > > I have found that the same can be said to be true if > the PMPY planet in question is seen from the AK as per > the Jaimini system, and/or, from the perspective of > the Asc Lord. While neither of these two are > considered in the classical literature, I have seen > such situations to hold true in actual practice. > > Because so many people can be born with Saturn > exalted, or say, Jupiter in Pisces, we have to very > careful to check and double check the chart for the > multiple occurrance of PMPY from all 3 primary > Ascendants. And even then, one has to be careful that > the planet(s) are not combust, or aspected or > associated with malefics. Such conditions, once one > takes the time to seek all of this out, is relatively > rare. > > I have in my possession, two charts which illustrate > the points I make very clearly. Both are females, and > here is their data: > > Hamsa Yoga Female > Dec 31, 1975 > 6:45am EST > Philadelphia, PA > USA > Asc 5 Sag 37, Lahiri > > Bhadra Yoga Female > Oct 11, 1970 > 12:05am EDT > Philadelphia, PA > USA > Asc 29 Gem 24, Lahiri > > Now... > > The HYF has Jupiter in very good position from all > three Lagnas: note the Jupiter in Pisces in the 4th, > with the Sun and Moon in the Asc all in Sag. Jupiter > is also well placed because it is in Mercury's star, > and is the Asc Lord to boot. But note its position in > the Navamsa, debilitated and aspected by Rahu. > Therefore, while this female did indeed exhibit some > of what we would come to expect from Hamsa Yoga, she > did not do so in full due to the problems Jupiter > represents. Further, this lady does not get Jupiter > Dasa until her mid-60s. > > The BYF also has her Asc Lord playing the role of PMPY > - but note that Mercury here is severly hampered by > its being hemmed in by Mars and the Sun. Further, > Mercury is in the 8th from the Moon. She had her > Mercury Dasa beginning in her 24th year, back in 1994. > During this time, she experienced all manner of > problems, including an abortion due to an adulterous > affair, spousal abuse from her live-in > boyfriend/common law husband, and her daughter was > sexually molested by one of her boyfriends buddies. > Note how Mercury is also in the 6th from the AK Saturn > and that Mercury also rules a weakened Asc; Mars in > this chart, due to it belonging to a female, gives > rise to Kuja Dosha; Mercury rules the 5th from the > Moon and is placed in the 8th from the Moon of Sexual > Issues. Note how Saturn and Rahu both aspect the Asc, > and Mars associates with Mars, the single worst planet > for a Gemini Asc. Right now, she is about to go into > Mercury/Mars, beginning in Jan 2003, to followed up by > Mercury/Rahu in Dec 2003. Finally, note that she also > have to contend with Mercury/Saturn in Oct of 2008. > None of this suggests a smooth ride. > > If you look at the charts of immensely successful > people, you will tend to notice that they not only > have strong PMPY planets in the Rasi from the view of > all of the Ascendants, but those same planets very > often are strengthened in the Navamsa, AND their > planetary periods tend to run at the appropriate > times. > > Just a few thoughts. > > Salaam, > Mu > --- vrkodarbhatt <vrkodarbhatt wrote: > > Hi > > > > I often get confused what the efect of a PMP yoga > > would bestow, give > > the changes in ge, political, demographical scenario > > since sages' > > time. > > > > My observation says that, if one has a PMP yoga > > (should also be > > present in the d9 or d60) will make the native well > > above average, > > with good results in all fields. > > > > Similar case with raja yoga. One needs to have > > atleast two good raja > > yogas (confirmed in navamsa) to deliver effects like > > PMP yoga does. > > > > When determining the yogas the balance of ava yogas > > and yogas should > > be considered. > > > > > > > > > ===== > Mu'Min M. Bey > Western and Vedic Astrologer > mumin_bey > AOL IM Screen Name: JediMu > 2Way Pager: 1-877-345-6499/8773456499; Cell phone: 267-978-2812 > Join the Pan Astrological Forum, Where Freedom in Astrological Thought Lives! Just send a blank email to panastroforum- > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Gary Frost.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om Dear Mu, Please refer to the classic where Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas are formed in trines to lagna, or in kendra or trine to Sun or Moon. You'll find that no classic does so, merely because its only formed in kendra to Lagna only. The other placements give similar effects, but do not make the native a Mahapurusha, which is implied by the Yoga. Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html - "Mu'Min Bey" <mumin_bey > <vedic astrology> Friday, November 22, 2002 5:58 AM [vedic astrology] Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas > > Hi Bhatt, All,> > Very good post/question here. I will try to address> it.> > Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas are in the class of> combinations that are known as Raj Yogas - those> combinations of planets, houses and signs that denote> above-success in virtually all areas of life. > > The PMPYs exist when any one of Mars, Mercury,> Jupiter, Venus or Saturn occupies its own or> exaltation sign while at the same time is placed in an> angular or trinal house from the Asc. It is> recommended that it also be seen in the same position> from the Moon and Sun - this is the classical view -> and the same planets checked in the Navamsa for> strength as well. > > I have found that the same can be said to be true if> the PMPY planet in question is seen from the AK as per> the Jaimini system, and/or, from the perspective of> the Asc Lord. While neither of these two are> considered in the classical literature, I have seen> such situations to hold true in actual practice. > > Because so many people can be born with Saturn> exalted, or say, Jupiter in Pisces, we have to very> careful to check and double check the chart for the> multiple occurrance of PMPY from all 3 primary> Ascendants. And even then, one has to be careful that> the planet(s) are not combust, or aspected or> associated with malefics. Such conditions, once one> takes the time to seek all of this out, is relatively> rare. > > I have in my possession, two charts which illustrate> the points I make very clearly. Both are females, and> here is their data:> > Hamsa Yoga Female> Dec 31, 1975> 6:45am EST> Philadelphia, PA> USA> Asc 5 Sag 37, Lahiri> > Bhadra Yoga Female> Oct 11, 1970> 12:05am EDT> Philadelphia, PA> USA> Asc 29 Gem 24, Lahiri> > Now...> > The HYF has Jupiter in very good position from all> three Lagnas: note the Jupiter in Pisces in the 4th,> with the Sun and Moon in the Asc all in Sag. Jupiter> is also well placed because it is in Mercury's star,> and is the Asc Lord to boot. But note its position in> the Navamsa, debilitated and aspected by Rahu.> Therefore, while this female did indeed exhibit some> of what we would come to expect from Hamsa Yoga, she> did not do so in full due to the problems Jupiter> represents. Further, this lady does not get Jupiter> Dasa until her mid-60s. > > The BYF also has her Asc Lord playing the role of PMPY> - but note that Mercury here is severly hampered by> its being hemmed in by Mars and the Sun. Further,> Mercury is in the 8th from the Moon. She had her> Mercury Dasa beginning in her 24th year, back in 1994.> During this time, she experienced all manner of> problems, including an abortion due to an adulterous> affair, spousal abuse from her live-in> boyfriend/common law husband, and her daughter was> sexually molested by one of her boyfriends buddies.> Note how Mercury is also in the 6th from the AK Saturn> and that Mercury also rules a weakened Asc; Mars in> this chart, due to it belonging to a female, gives> rise to Kuja Dosha; Mercury rules the 5th from the> Moon and is placed in the 8th from the Moon of Sexual> Issues. Note how Saturn and Rahu both aspect the Asc,> and Mars associates with Mars, the single worst planet> for a Gemini Asc. Right now, she is about to go into> Mercury/Mars, beginning in Jan 2003, to followed up by> Mercury/Rahu in Dec 2003. Finally, note that she also> have to contend with Mercury/Saturn in Oct of 2008.> None of this suggests a smooth ride. > > If you look at the charts of immensely successful> people, you will tend to notice that they not only> have strong PMPY planets in the Rasi from the view of> all of the Ascendants, but those same planets very> often are strengthened in the Navamsa, AND their> planetary periods tend to run at the appropriate> times. > > Just a few thoughts.> > Salaam,> Mu> --- vrkodarbhatt <vrkodarbhatt > wrote:> > Hi > > > > I often get confused what the efect of a PMP yoga> > would bestow, give > > the changes in ge, political, demographical scenario> > since sages' > > time.> > > > My observation says that, if one has a PMP yoga> > (should also be > > present in the d9 or d60) will make the native well> > above average, > > with good results in all fields.> > > > Similar case with raja yoga. One needs to have> > atleast two good raja > > yogas (confirmed in navamsa) to deliver effects like> > PMP yoga does.> > > > When determining the yogas the balance of ava yogas> > and yogas should > > be considered.> > > > > > > > > =====> Mu'Min M. Bey> Western and Vedic Astrologer> mumin_bey > AOL IM Screen Name: JediMu> 2Way Pager: 1-877-345-6499/8773456499 (AT) pagenetmessage (DOT) net; Cell phone: 267-978-2812> Join the Pan Astrological Forum, Where Freedom in Astrological Thought Lives! Just send a blank email to panastroforum- (AT) topica (DOT) com> > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.> http://mailplus.> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Hare Rama krishna, Namaste Nimmi, Jupiter is the 3rd and 6th lord in 10 in exaltion. In Jupiter dasa he left his job after 8 years, partly as > his pride was hurt, but > also because he was stagnating technically. In the > next while he > successfully transferred into a new technical area > and excelled at it. But > during the next 8 years (1994-2002) the company he > was working for ran into > financial difficulties. After not being paid for 2 > years, he finally > resigned in 2002, and is currently looking taking a > long holiday before > looking for work next year. These are exactly to be expected. > Given the strength of the Hamsa Yoga, with Jupiter > also participating in a > Gajakesari Yoga, I would have expected things to run > much smoother for him. Moon is in debilitation, Gajakesari cannot manifest. > But on the whole it has been a happy time for him > and he got to travel a lot > which is the only thing that he is really interested > in. That is exalted jupiter for you, it makes you happy as long as it is not material sucess you are looking for. > I think the aspect of saturn on the 10th house > jupiter should be taken into > account here perhaps. The effect will be seen in Jup-sat. Rema ===== Rema Menon Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Nimmi, Correction Moon is not in debilitation but weak, making the GKY not effective, Thanks, Rema ===== Rema Menon Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Rema, Moon is in capricorn. Moon is debilitated in scorpio. Nimmi - "Rema Menon" <remamenon <vedic astrology> Friday, November 22, 2002 12:20 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas > > Hare Rama krishna, > Namaste Nimmi, > > Jupiter is the 3rd and 6th lord in 10 in exaltion. In > Jupiter dasa > > he left his job after 8 years, partly as > > his pride was hurt, but > > also because he was stagnating technically. In the > > next while he > > successfully transferred into a new technical area > > and excelled at it. But > > during the next 8 years (1994-2002) the company he > > was working for ran into > > financial difficulties. After not being paid for 2 > > years, he finally > > resigned in 2002, and is currently looking taking a > > long holiday before > > looking for work next year. > > > These are exactly to be expected. > > > Given the strength of the Hamsa Yoga, with Jupiter > > also participating in a > > Gajakesari Yoga, I would have expected things to run > > much smoother for him. > > Moon is in debilitation, Gajakesari cannot manifest. > > > But on the whole it has been a happy time for him > > and he got to travel a lot > > which is the only thing that he is really interested > > in. > > That is exalted jupiter for you, it makes you happy as > long as it is not material sucess you are looking for. > > > I think the aspect of saturn on the 10th house > > jupiter should be taken into > > account here perhaps. > > The effect will be seen in Jup-sat. > > Rema > > > ===== > Rema Menon > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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