Ayanamsha Confusion - Gurus please help?

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Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

Dear Sundeep,

 

1) Which is the best ayanamsha in the experience of the Gurus?

 

Visti: I've had good results with Lahiri Ayanamsa, using the teachings i've

been given from Guru and applying the same.

2) Why is Chitrapaksha/Lahiri the accepted default - due to the fact that it has

worked well, or does it make more astronomical sense or both? If both, why are

other ayanamshas around at all?

 

Visti: A council in India, decided, after alot of calculations, that Lahiri

was the most acurate. Hence until we can prove otherwise, we follow Lahiri.

3) What is Devadutta ayanamsha and why is it so talked about? Should we be using

it (the average beginner, i.e.)?

 

Visti: This Ayanamsa doubt really puts the student at day one, no matter how

much they have learned. Do not change the Ayanamsa, merely use Lahiri and when

you become learned enough to see the possible errors, then change the ayanamsa.

Most of the time i see people using different ayanamsa, due to their own

understanding of how things should be.

4) How in the world is rectification done when the Ayanamsha dimension is thrown into the mix?

 

Visti: Look for planets very close to the borders of Vargas/rasis, and pay

special attention to them in rectification. I've seen a few cases with grahas

very close to borders of the higher divisions, where i could wonder if

rectification of Ayanamsa is needed.

 

Basically do keep in mind that most people resort to other Ayanamsas because of

lack of knowledge, or understanding of the results of the graha. So first learn

Jyotish, then begin to rectify it.

 

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[vedic astrology] Ayanamsha Confusion - Gurus please help?

Hello to all, especially Gurus,I have tried to play around with some birthtime

rectification recently. It is pretty hard for a beginner of course - I play

around with adding and subtracting a few minutes from the birthtime and view

the Saptamsha chart and others to get a clue as to the possible correctness of

the time. As I expect, when I add or subtract a few minutes to the birthtime,

the RASI occupied by grahas ALMOST NEVER changes in ANY divisional chart,

simply because in a few minutes, the only planet that makes any appreciable

move is the Moon, and that also very very little - so even the Moon rarely ever

moves in any divisional chart. Only the Lagna changes, faster and faster as you

go deeper into the divisional charts (D-2,3,..). This makes it a little easier

- at least you know with a high degree of certainty what the RASI position of

each planet is in the divisional chart - so for example in Navamsa, you can say

with certainty what the Karakamsa is.All this is assuming the default Ayanamsha

of course - Chitrapaksha/Lahiri. However, now when you throw in Ayanamsha also

into the game, you may get several planets moving around in the divisional

charts, as you change Ayanamsha. It is another dimension of movement altogether

and very confusing. I am looking for some clarity here and a pointer to some

earlier posts since I am sure this topic must have been discussed here. Here

are immediate questions that spring to the fore:1) Which is the best ayanamsha

in the experience of the Gurus?2) Why is Chitrapaksha/Lahiri the accepted

default - due to the fact that it has worked well, or does it make more

astronomical sense or both? If both, why are other ayanamshas around at all?3)

What is Devadutta ayanamsha and why is it so talked about? Should we be using

it (the average beginner, i.e.)?4) How in the world is rectification done when

the Ayanamsha dimension is thrown into the mix?Thank you,SundeepArchives:

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Dear Guruji

 

Would you please clarify the difference between Lahiri ayamsa and

Raman ayamsa. They say Raman ayamsa is nearer to Yukteshwer Ayamsa.

Thanks and regards

Ananthakrishnan

 

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

>

> --

------------

>

> Dear Sundeep,

>

> 1) Which is the best ayanamsha in the experience of the Gurus?

>

> Visti: I've had good results with Lahiri Ayanamsa, using the

teachings i've been given from Guru and applying the same.

>

> 2) Why is Chitrapaksha/Lahiri the accepted default - due to the

fact

> that it has worked well, or does it make more astronomical sense or

> both? If both, why are other ayanamshas around at all?

>

> Visti: A council in India, decided, after alot of calculations,

that Lahiri was the most acurate. Hence until we can prove otherwise,

we follow Lahiri.

>

> 3) What is Devadutta ayanamsha and why is it so talked about?

Should

> we be using it (the average beginner, i.e.)?

>

> Visti: This Ayanamsa doubt really puts the student at day one,

no matter how much they have learned. Do not change the Ayanamsa,

merely use Lahiri and when you become learned enough to see the

possible errors, then change the ayanamsa. Most of the time i see

people using different ayanamsa, due to their own understanding of

how things should be.

>

> 4) How in the world is rectification done when the Ayanamsha

dimension is thrown into the mix?

>

> Visti: Look for planets very close to the borders of

Vargas/rasis, and pay special attention to them in rectification.

I've seen a few cases with grahas very close to borders of the higher

divisions, where i could wonder if rectification of Ayanamsa is

needed.

>

> Basically do keep in mind that most people resort to other

Ayanamsas because of lack of knowledge, or understanding of the

results of the graha. So first learn Jyotish, then begin to rectify

it.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

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> vedicastrostudent

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:44 AM

> [vedic astrology] Ayanamsha Confusion - Gurus please

help?

>

>

> Hello to all, especially Gurus,

>

> I have tried to play around with some birthtime rectification

> recently. It is pretty hard for a beginner of course - I play

around

> with adding and subtracting a few minutes from the birthtime and

view

> the Saptamsha chart and others to get a clue as to the possible

> correctness of the time. As I expect, when I add or subtract a

few

> minutes to the birthtime, the RASI occupied by grahas ALMOST

NEVER

> changes in ANY divisional chart, simply because in a few minutes,

the

> only planet that makes any appreciable move is the Moon, and that

> also very very little - so even the Moon rarely ever moves in any

> divisional chart. Only the Lagna changes, faster and faster as

you go

> deeper into the divisional charts (D-2,3,..). This makes it a

little

> easier - at least you know with a high degree of certainty what

the

> RASI position of each planet is in the divisional chart - so for

> example in Navamsa, you can say with certainty what the Karakamsa

is.

>

> All this is assuming the default Ayanamsha of course -

> Chitrapaksha/Lahiri. However, now when you throw in Ayanamsha

also

> into the game, you may get several planets moving around in the

> divisional charts, as you change Ayanamsha. It is another

dimension

> of movement altogether and very confusing. I am looking for some

> clarity here and a pointer to some earlier posts since I am sure

this

> topic must have been discussed here. Here are immediate questions

> that spring to the fore:

> 1) Which is the best ayanamsha in the experience of the Gurus?

> 2) Why is Chitrapaksha/Lahiri the accepted default - due to the

fact

> that it has worked well, or does it make more astronomical sense

or

> both? If both, why are other ayanamshas around at all?

> 3) What is Devadutta ayanamsha and why is it so talked about?

Should

> we be using it (the average beginner, i.e.)?

> 4) How in the world is rectification done when the Ayanamsha

> dimension is thrown into the mix?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Sundeep

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Vyam Vyasa-devaya Namah,

Though I am not a jyotish Guru, I answer your question anyway.

 

For yukteshwar / Deva-dutta ayanamsa subract 22 minutes 30 seconds

from lahiri.

For Raman ayanamsa, subtract 1 degree 23 minutes (approx) from Lahiri.

 

I will say Deva-dutta/Yukeshwar ayanamsa and Lahiri are closer to

each other. Raman ayanamsa is different from both (though it is

slightly closer to Deva-datta than lahiri).

 

For most practical purposes, Yukteshwar and Lahiri ayanamsas are

similar. Some people may claim Lahiri is more accurate, but it is my

understanding that are probably verifying the accuracy of

Yukteshwar's ayanamsa (Deva Dutta ayanamsa) with a chart which

probably has been rectified using lahiri ayanamsa!

 

Since people rectify birth charts based on their favourite ayanamsas,

in many cases Lahiri/Deva-dutta ayanamsa dont make a difference as

long as you are consistent.

 

-Siva.

 

vedic astrology, "Ananthakrishnan Parthasarathy"

<akrishnan56> wrote:

> Dear Guruji

>

> Would you please clarify the difference between Lahiri ayamsa and

> Raman ayamsa. They say Raman ayamsa is nearer to Yukteshwer Ayamsa.

> Thanks and regards

> Ananthakrishnan

>

> vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:

> > Om Jum Sah. Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah. Sah Jum Om

> >

> >

--

> ------------

> >

> > Dear Sundeep,

> >

> > 1) Which is the best ayanamsha in the experience of the Gurus?

> >

> > Visti: I've had good results with Lahiri Ayanamsa, using the

> teachings i've been given from Guru and applying the same.

> >

> > 2) Why is Chitrapaksha/Lahiri the accepted default - due to the

> fact

> > that it has worked well, or does it make more astronomical sense

or

> > both? If both, why are other ayanamshas around at all?

> >

> > Visti: A council in India, decided, after alot of

calculations,

> that Lahiri was the most acurate. Hence until we can prove

otherwise,

> we follow Lahiri.

> >

> > 3) What is Devadutta ayanamsha and why is it so talked about?

> Should

> > we be using it (the average beginner, i.e.)?

> >

> > Visti: This Ayanamsa doubt really puts the student at day one,

> no matter how much they have learned. Do not change the Ayanamsa,

> merely use Lahiri and when you become learned enough to see the

> possible errors, then change the ayanamsa. Most of the time i see

> people using different ayanamsa, due to their own understanding of

> how things should be.

> >

> > 4) How in the world is rectification done when the Ayanamsha

> dimension is thrown into the mix?

> >

> > Visti: Look for planets very close to the borders of

> Vargas/rasis, and pay special attention to them in rectification.

> I've seen a few cases with grahas very close to borders of the

higher

> divisions, where i could wonder if rectification of Ayanamsa is

> needed.

> >

> > Basically do keep in mind that most people resort to other

> Ayanamsas because of lack of knowledge, or understanding of the

> results of the graha. So first learn Jyotish, then begin to rectify

> it.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

> > ---

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic-

> astrologybphs.zip

> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

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> > vedicastrostudent

> > vedic astrology

> > Saturday, November 23, 2002 2:44 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Ayanamsha Confusion - Gurus please

> help?

> >

> >

> > Hello to all, especially Gurus,

> >

> > I have tried to play around with some birthtime rectification

> > recently. It is pretty hard for a beginner of course - I play

> around

> > with adding and subtracting a few minutes from the birthtime

and

> view

> > the Saptamsha chart and others to get a clue as to the possible

> > correctness of the time. As I expect, when I add or subtract a

> few

> > minutes to the birthtime, the RASI occupied by grahas ALMOST

> NEVER

> > changes in ANY divisional chart, simply because in a few

minutes,

> the

> > only planet that makes any appreciable move is the Moon, and

that

> > also very very little - so even the Moon rarely ever moves in

any

> > divisional chart. Only the Lagna changes, faster and faster as

> you go

> > deeper into the divisional charts (D-2,3,..). This makes it a

> little

> > easier - at least you know with a high degree of certainty what

> the

> > RASI position of each planet is in the divisional chart - so

for

> > example in Navamsa, you can say with certainty what the

Karakamsa

> is.

> >

> > All this is assuming the default Ayanamsha of course -

> > Chitrapaksha/Lahiri. However, now when you throw in Ayanamsha

> also

> > into the game, you may get several planets moving around in the

> > divisional charts, as you change Ayanamsha. It is another

> dimension

> > of movement altogether and very confusing. I am looking for

some

> > clarity here and a pointer to some earlier posts since I am

sure

> this

> > topic must have been discussed here. Here are immediate

questions

> > that spring to the fore:

> > 1) Which is the best ayanamsha in the experience of the Gurus?

> > 2) Why is Chitrapaksha/Lahiri the accepted default - due to the

> fact

> > that it has worked well, or does it make more astronomical

sense

> or

> > both? If both, why are other ayanamshas around at all?

> > 3) What is Devadutta ayanamsha and why is it so talked about?

> Should

> > we be using it (the average beginner, i.e.)?

> > 4) How in the world is rectification done when the Ayanamsha

> > dimension is thrown into the mix?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

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