Subject: More-Mantra-Query

January 3, 2003

Dear Narasimha

RAM KRISHN HARE

Thanks for your reply.You are right.I have Moon(AK),Venus,Rahu

and Ketu in Duel signs in both D1 and D9.

My details:28-01-1968 14:47 77E02 20N42 5:30E

I have developed a few more doubts.

.....Qu.(4)

You said Om NamoBhagvate Vasudevay will take all energy of

third house and direct it to 12th house.It can have following

implications.Please tell if they are correct.

(1)Third house will become weak.

(2)Third lord will give results as if it is in 12th house.

(3)If lord of 3rd is weak,Mantra may not give good results.

(4)If 3rd house is afflicted, Mantra may give bad results.

(5)If it is recited as OM NAMO BHAGVATE VASUDEVAY can it spoil

happiness and other 4th house matters? Please guide.

.....Qu.(8)

If one fasts on day of bhav arudh dispositer,will you advice

propitiating

lord of second from bhav arudh to sustain the result?

Should we choose mantra for this house or original bhav?

Eg. Should we choose mantra for 7th house or for 2nd lord from UL?

.....Qu.(9)

Why you called it a loaded question?I can now see the link clearly.

Fast on day of bhav-arudh-dispositer.Pray to karaka.Use mantra for

bhav.This will link bhav-karak-arudha.Is there any thing more to it?

What about bhavesh?Gems?

Thanks.

Anilkumar

OM TAT SAT

********************

YOU WROTE:

Dear Anilkumar,

Very nice questions. Something tells me that you will oneday become a

master

of mantra sastra. Do you happen to have Venus and 2-3 malefics in

quadrants

from atma karaka in navamsa?

I will try to answer your wonderful questions.

> Qu.(1) When we have problem with Karaka,should we fast on day of

> karaka?

> or use mantra for karaka?

If I have a karaka problem, I'd rather pray than fast.

> Qu.(2) Can we count houses from AK/AL to find the number of letters?

I don't think so.

> Qu.(3) If we recite more than one mantra,will it change the overall

> effect?

> Eg. Say I recite a 9 letter and 3 letter mantra,Will it

affect

> 9+3=12 th house?

If you say them together, yes.

If I say "Om Namassivaaya" several times, it will draw from the

energies

present in my 2nd house and give fruits related to my 6th house. If I

say

"Om Namah Kaaleswaraaya" several times, it will draw from the energies

present in my 3rd house and give fruits related to my 8th house.

On the other hand, if I say "Om Namassivaaya Om Namah Kaaleswaraaya"

several

times, it will draw from the energies present in my 5th house and give

fruits related to my 2nd house (14=2 mod 12).

Instead of saying "Om Namassivaaya", if I say "Om Namah Sivaaya", it

will

draw from the energies present in my 3rd house and give fruits

related to my

6th house.

> Qu.(4) Is mantra of 6/8/12 letter bad?How will it affect 6/8/12 th

> house?

Nope. Using mantras of kshudra devatas with these letters may be

undesirable, but shadakshari, ashtakshari and dwadasakshari mantras of

deities like Vishnu are perfect. After all, only if energies are

focussed on

8th/12th houses can one do tapasya and do moksha.

If you say "Om NamoBhagavate Vaasudevaaya" many many times, Vaasudeva

(Vishnu) will sit in your 9th house, take all the energies present in

your

3rd house (courage, desire, initiative etc) and direct them towards

detachment and moksha (12th house).

> Qu.(5) Are mantras with 10/22/34 (10+12*I) letters have same

result?

Basically yes. But, strictly speaking, no. Different harmonics

operate in

different planes, just like the divisional charts. Why don't we

ignore this

for now?

In general, concentrate on mantras with upto 24 letters for now.

> Qu.(6) How can we select mantra for varga-chart?How will mantra

> affect Varga charts(by house or lord)?

Good question. I have to contemplate on it.

> Qu.(7) Is it good to fast on the day of relevent house lord to

> increase the

> results of mantra? Or Do we need to fast on the Arudha-

> dispositor

> of said house?

Arudha dispositor.

> Qu.(8) will fasting on the day ruled by Bhav-Arudha-lord speed up

> things

> related to relevent bhav?

Yes.

> Qu.(9) Is it possible to link remedies to bhav,karak,arudha for

> faster

> results?If yes,How?

This is a loaded question. Let us skip it.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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January 3, 2003

Dear Narasimha,

I notice from the mail below that you have written Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

as 3 words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 9th house. Should it not be 4

words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 8th house? The energy is taken from

the 4th house, the heart or the hridaya padma from whence we pray, and directed

to the 12th house of moksha. The 12th house is where Vishnu sits and receives

the worship that is being offered from the heart, that is 4th house. It covers

the moksha trikona, with the mantradevata sitting in the 8th house. From here

he removes all sins and purifies and cleanses the heart. Similarly, Om Namo

Shivaya is 3 words + 6 aksharas with mantradevata sitting in 9th house, and not

two words as you have written. The energy given to the 6th house will remove the

evils of shadripu and make one like Shiva. This mantra is therefore for

attaining Shiva-rupa.

Best regards,

Sarbani

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[anilkedia (AT) indiatimes (DOT) com]Friday, January 03, 2003 3:24 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Subject:

More-Mantra-QueryDear NarasimhaRAM KRISHN HAREThanks for your reply.You are

right.I have Moon(AK),Venus,Rahu and Ketu in Duel signs in both D1 and D9.My

details:28-01-1968 14:47 77E02 20N42 5:30EI have developed a few more

doubts.....Qu.(4)You said Om NamoBhagvate Vasudevay will take all energy

ofthird house and direct it to 12th house.It can have

followingimplications.Please tell if they are correct.(1)Third house will

become weak.(2)Third lord will give results as if it is in 12th house.(3)If

lord of 3rd is weak,Mantra may not give good results.(4)If 3rd house is

afflicted, Mantra may give bad results.(5)If it is recited as OM NAMO BHAGVATE

VASUDEVAY can it spoil happiness and other 4th house matters? Please

guide.....Qu.(8)If one fasts on day of bhav arudh dispositer,will you advice

propitiatinglord of second from bhav arudh to sustain the result?Should we

choose mantra for this house or original bhav?Eg. Should we choose mantra for

7th house or for 2nd lord from UL? ....Qu.(9)Why you called it a loaded

question?I can now see the link clearly.Fast on day of

bhav-arudh-dispositer.Pray to karaka.Use mantra forbhav.This will link

bhav-karak-arudha.Is there any thing more to it?What about

bhavesh?Gems?Thanks.AnilkumarOM TAT SAT ********************YOU WROTE:Dear

Anilkumar,Very nice questions. Something tells me that you will oneday become a

masterof mantra sastra. Do you happen to have Venus and 2-3 malefics in

quadrantsfrom atma karaka in navamsa?I will try to answer your wonderful

questions.> Qu.(1) When we have problem with Karaka,should we fast on day of>

karaka?> or use mantra for karaka?If I have a karaka problem, I'd rather

pray than fast.> Qu.(2) Can we count houses from AK/AL to find the number of

letters?I don't think so.> Qu.(3) If we recite more than one mantra,will it

change the overall> effect?> Eg. Say I recite a 9 letter and 3 letter

mantra,Will it affect> 9+3=12 th house?If you say them together, yes.If

I say "Om Namassivaaya" several times, it will draw from the energiespresent in

my 2nd house and give fruits related to my 6th house. If I say"Om Namah

Kaaleswaraaya" several times, it will draw from the energiespresent in my 3rd

house and give fruits related to my 8th house.On the other hand, if I say "Om

Namassivaaya Om Namah Kaaleswaraaya" severaltimes, it will draw from the

energies present in my 5th house and givefruits related to my 2nd house (14=2

mod 12).Instead of saying "Om Namassivaaya", if I say "Om Namah Sivaaya", it

willdraw from the energies present in my 3rd house and give fruits related to

my6th house.> Qu.(4) Is mantra of 6/8/12 letter bad?How will it affect 6/8/12

th> house?Nope. Using mantras of kshudra devatas with these letters may

beundesirable, but shadakshari, ashtakshari and dwadasakshari mantras ofdeities

like Vishnu are perfect. After all, only if energies are focussed on8th/12th

houses can one do tapasya and do moksha.If you say "Om NamoBhagavate

Vaasudevaaya" many many times, Vaasudeva(Vishnu) will sit in your 9th house,

take all the energies present in your3rd house (courage, desire, initiative

etc) and direct them towardsdetachment and moksha (12th house).> Qu.(5) Are

mantras with 10/22/34 (10+12*I) letters have same result?Basically yes. But,

strictly speaking, no. Different harmonics operate indifferent planes, just

like the divisional charts. Why don't we ignore thisfor now?In general,

concentrate on mantras with upto 24 letters for now.> Qu.(6) How can we select

mantra for varga-chart?How will mantra> affect Varga charts(by house or

lord)?Good question. I have to contemplate on it.> Qu.(7) Is it good to fast on

the day of relevent house lord to> increase the> results of mantra? Or Do

we need to fast on the Arudha-> dispositor> of said house?Arudha

dispositor.> Qu.(8) will fasting on the day ruled by Bhav-Arudha-lord speed up>

things> related to relevent bhav?Yes.> Qu.(9) Is it possible to link

remedies to bhav,karak,arudha for> faster> results?If yes,How?This is a

loaded question. Let us skip it.May Jupiter's light shine on

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January 3, 2003

Dear Sarbani,

I do not agree with your counting.

If you have a word called "visweswara", you would treat it as one word even

though it is made up of two words: viswa and iswara. There is a SANDHI

(joining) and the two words become ONE WORD. It is the same with

namassivaaya and namobhagavate.

Namassivaaya is one word (BTW, it is not namo shivaya as you wrote). Namah

is one word (ending in visarga) and Shivaaya is one word. If you say "namah

shivaaya" without sandhi (with a small break separating the two words), it

is two words. If you make sandhi, it becomes one word (that is the

definition of sandhi). So "namasshivaaya" is one single word.

Though people say "Om Namassivaaya" also today, it has 6 letters.

"Namassivaaya" is the original panchakshari (5-lettered) mantra. According

to your counting, this original panchakshari mantra has source in 2nd house,

fruits in the 5th house and devata in the 8th house. Does it make sense to

have Shiva in the 8th house for this important mantra? No. That counting

would be correct for "namah shivaaya". For "namasshivaayaa" (the original

and correct mantra), source would be in lagna, fruits would be in 5th and

devata (Shiva) would be in 9th.

Similarly "namah" is one word and "bhagavate" is one word. If you say "namah

bhagavate", it is two words. But, if you do sandhi, it becomes one word

"namobhagavate". There is no way you can treat "namobhagavate" as two words.

Just is visweswara is viswa+iswara, namobhagavate is namah+bhagavate.

Breaking "namobhagavate" into two words as "namo bhagavate" is equivalent to

breaking "visweswara" into two words as "viswe swara". There is no

difference.

So "om namah bhagavate vaasudevaayaa" has 4 words and thus source in 4th,

fruits in 12th and devata in 8th. However, the correct mantra "om

namobhagavate vaasudevaaya" has only 3 words and thus source in 3rd, fruits

in 12th and devata in 9th again. If we read this mantra, Vasudeva sits in

the house of dharma and guides our initiative, determination and courage in

the direction of giving.

The grammar rules are very clear about two words becoming one word after

sandhi. There is no abiguity at all. There is a lot of corruption in what

people are taught in this Kali yuga, but the rules are straightforward and

the answers are often quite obvious if you choose to think and apply the

dhee (intelligence).

The same thing applies to samasas. If the vibhakti pratyayam in one word is

removed and it is combined with another word to make them one compound word,

again counting should be done accordingly. Suppose you have "Om

paramagurubrihaspataye namah". It is only 3 words. The words parama, guru

and brihaspati are combined into one word by samaasam.

Interestingly, brihaspati is also made by sandhi (brihah + pati =

brihaspati). However, you count brihaspati as one word. Now, all I am saying

is that you should apply the same logic everywhere.

Because you may have been taught otherwise, it may be a little difficult for

you to accept this. But, I am sure that this is the correct counting.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> I notice from the mail below that you have written Om Namo Bhagavate

> Vasudevaya as 3 words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 9th house. Should

> it not be 4 words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 8th house? The energy

> is taken from the 4th house, the heart or the hridaya padma from whence we

> pray, and directed to the 12th house of moksha. The 12th house is where

> Vishnu sits and receives the worship that is being offered from the heart,

> that is 4th house. It covers the moksha trikona, with the mantradevata

> sitting in the 8th house. From here he removes all sins and purifies and

> cleanses the heart. Similarly, Om Namo Shivaya is 3 words + 6 aksharas

with

> mantradevata sitting in 9th house, and not two words as you have written.

> The energy given to the 6th house will remove the evils of shadripu and

make

> one like Shiva. This mantra is therefore for attaining Shiva-rupa.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

January 3, 2003

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Narasimha,

I completely agree with what you say about the mantra OM NAMOBHAGAVATE

VASUDEVAYA, which puts the energy from the 3rd house to 12th house, that

is the negative energies of 3rd house is used to attain mukti and Vishnu

very well sits in the 9th house of Dharma guiding all of us to the said

objective of Moksha though the path of Dharma.

However, I disagree with you on the Mantra Namah Sivaya. This the

Prasiddha Panchakshari and is known to give knowledge (siddhis) and

Life. This is well borne out the fact that the Pancha Mukhi rudraksha

(Rudra Raksha) is used for longevity. This is also known fact that,

with the wish of Shiva all the apamrityu take a back seat. When we say

that, we are talking of the 8th house of longevity or the house of Rudra

(Who does our protection, and death comes when their anger fall on us).

Hence your rejecting the 8th house by saying " Does it make sense to

have Shiva in the 8th house for this important mantra?" is not correct.

With this mantra we attain the Gnana (5th house) and free of fear from

Apamrityu (5th is the pada of 3rd), with the blessings of Shiva, sitting

in the house of Siddhi and Longevity, viz, the 8th house.

Moreover, I have always learnt that the houses of Shiva are the 7th and

the 8th.

Warm Regards

Sarajit

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr]

04 January 2003 03:51

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[vedic astrology] Re: More-Mantra-Query

Dear Sarbani,

I do not agree with your counting.

If you have a word called "visweswara", you would treat it as one word

even

though it is made up of two words: viswa and iswara. There is a SANDHI

(joining) and the two words become ONE WORD. It is the same with

namassivaaya and namobhagavate.

Namassivaaya is one word (BTW, it is not namo shivaya as you wrote).

Namah

is one word (ending in visarga) and Shivaaya is one word. If you say

"namah

shivaaya" without sandhi (with a small break separating the two words),

it

is two words. If you make sandhi, it becomes one word (that is the

definition of sandhi). So "namasshivaaya" is one single word.

Though people say "Om Namassivaaya" also today, it has 6 letters.

"Namassivaaya" is the original panchakshari (5-lettered) mantra.

According

to your counting, this original panchakshari mantra has source in 2nd

house,

fruits in the 5th house and devata in the 8th house. Does it make sense

to

have Shiva in the 8th house for this important mantra? No. That counting

would be correct for "namah shivaaya". For "namasshivaayaa" (the

original

and correct mantra), source would be in lagna, fruits would be in 5th

and

devata (Shiva) would be in 9th.

Similarly "namah" is one word and "bhagavate" is one word. If you say

"namah

bhagavate", it is two words. But, if you do sandhi, it becomes one word

"namobhagavate". There is no way you can treat "namobhagavate" as two

words.

Just is visweswara is viswa+iswara, namobhagavate is namah+bhagavate.

Breaking "namobhagavate" into two words as "namo bhagavate" is

equivalent to

breaking "visweswara" into two words as "viswe swara". There is no

difference.

So "om namah bhagavate vaasudevaayaa" has 4 words and thus source in

4th,

fruits in 12th and devata in 8th. However, the correct mantra "om

namobhagavate vaasudevaaya" has only 3 words and thus source in 3rd,

fruits

in 12th and devata in 9th again. If we read this mantra, Vasudeva sits

in

the house of dharma and guides our initiative, determination and courage

in

the direction of giving.

The grammar rules are very clear about two words becoming one word after

sandhi. There is no abiguity at all. There is a lot of corruption in

what

people are taught in this Kali yuga, but the rules are straightforward

and

the answers are often quite obvious if you choose to think and apply the

dhee (intelligence).

The same thing applies to samasas. If the vibhakti pratyayam in one word

is

removed and it is combined with another word to make them one compound

word,

again counting should be done accordingly. Suppose you have "Om

paramagurubrihaspataye namah". It is only 3 words. The words parama,

guru

and brihaspati are combined into one word by samaasam.

Interestingly, brihaspati is also made by sandhi (brihah + pati =

brihaspati). However, you count brihaspati as one word. Now, all I am

saying

is that you should apply the same logic everywhere.

Because you may have been taught otherwise, it may be a little difficult

for

you to accept this. But, I am sure that this is the correct counting.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> I notice from the mail below that you have written Om Namo Bhagavate

> Vasudevaya as 3 words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 9th house.

Should

> it not be 4 words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 8th house? The

energy

> is taken from the 4th house, the heart or the hridaya padma from

whence we

> pray, and directed to the 12th house of moksha. The 12th house is

where

> Vishnu sits and receives the worship that is being offered from the

heart,

> that is 4th house. It covers the moksha trikona, with the mantradevata

> sitting in the 8th house. From here he removes all sins and purifies

and

> cleanses the heart. Similarly, Om Namo Shivaya is 3 words + 6 aksharas

with

> mantradevata sitting in 9th house, and not two words as you have

written.

> The energy given to the 6th house will remove the evils of shadripu

and

make

> one like Shiva. This mantra is therefore for attaining Shiva-rupa.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

Your use of is subject to

January 4, 2003

Dear Narasimha,

Yes, you are right, I have been taught otherwise by Sanjayji in our mantra

shastra classes, which we had daily for the entire period of devi paksha. We

did discuss at length on Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya and how it takes the

energy from the 4th house and is directed to the 12th house, for the

attainment of moksha.

I am familiar with sandhi and samas, having learnt Sanskrit and doubly

because the Paninian grammar structure also underpins Bengali language, my

mother tongue. In all texts and translations across the country, and across

time, there are many mantras which are written with Namo in between. Even

ancient prints have Namo written separately, let alone numerous texts from

mantra maharnava to mantra mahodadhi, to the puranas and Vedas in their

various incarnations and translations, write 'Namo' separately for many

mantras, specially Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. It cannot be that every

single version is wrong. Namo is used separately by Sankara in so many of

his shlokas. In fact Om Namo Bhagavate is a prefix used in so many mantras.

Namo does not necessitate sandhi, nor does namah. If you wish, you can

create a sandhi, like Om Namashchandikayai...namah + chandikayai leading to

the addition of 'sh' because of sandhi). Or keep it separate like Om Namah

Shivaya (yes, that was a typo, I meant Namah and not Namo). Similarly, Om

Namo Narayanaya and Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. The Srimad Bhagavat Purana

begins with the mantra Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, and of course later on

reiterates it as a part of the Narayana Kavacha along with Om Namo

Narayanaya and Om Vishnave Namah. The evidence shows heavily the separate

writing of Namo and Bhagavate and Namah and Shivaya. Maybe, its incorrect or

rapid pronunciation which might lead to this error in judgement in some that

Namo Bhagavate or Namah Shivaya should be pronounced jointly.

With best regards,

Sarbani

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr]

Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:21 AM