Meaning of atmakaraka- to Swee and others

Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:08 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and others

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Tushankur,

Atma (soul) karaka (significator). This cumulative karma for self can be seen in

the planet with the highest longitude. I guess you could say it indicates the

spiritual achievements or progress in one’s present life. It is transient

as each life that we take on may have a different planet as AK. According to the

teachings here, an AK represented by a malefic indicates a highly evolved soul.

Chara (variable) Karakas constitute the variable significators of the 8 planets.

Ketu being the moksha karaka is not included. These are helpful in deciphering

the type of people who maybe involved in any Raja Yogas in your chart.

Let me give an example from my chart:

Moon is AK and is also Yogada ( yoga maker). In Vimsottari dasa, during the

period of Mo/Ma one would expect tense situations. Mars is Jnaati Karaka (GK or

rivals) it is also the natural significator for younger sibling. Mars is on my

ascendant and aspects Rahu in the 8th. Rahu is Matri Karaka (Mother). During

those periods of Moon and PD of Mars and Rahu, one would expect some sort of

initial disruption, but can be resolved later. That’s what an AK is

capable of. It could give initial headaches, but will certainly bless one in so

many areas. Spiritually (debilitated Rahu in the 8th. The 8th can indicate death

like situations and Rahu’s debilitation can indicate spirituality.

That’s what I gained during those operating periods. Whereas materially,

you would expect the Raja Yoga to rise immensely. That’s exactly what

took place.

Well, that’s my take anyway on this subject.

May I recommend that you try and read Narasimha’s Book : Vedic Astrology;

An Integrated Approach. I now have 3 copies, so where ever I visit most, I have

a copy to refer to when the need arises. Perhaps one day I could have this in

e-book format J

Namaste, Swee

Tushankur.Saroha

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yogakaraka - to Swee and others

Dear Swee,

Please elaborate what Atma Karaka is?

Thanks in advance...

Tushankur

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Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent:

Friday, January 10, 2003 3:04 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE:

[vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and others

Dear Sunil John,

Karakamsa is the 12th from your AK (Atma Karaka) in Navamsa.

YK means Yogakaraka. The following ascendants will have YK:

Ta, Cn, Le, Li, Cp and Aq

Simple chart drawn out here for you.

Rasi

Houses

Yogakaraka Planet

Ta

9 & 10

Saturn

Cn

5 & 10

Mars

Le

4 & 9

Mars

Li

4 & 5

Saturn

Cp

5 & 10

Venus

Aq

4 & 9

Venus

Best wishes, Swee

Sunil John [suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net]Sent:

Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:07 PMvedic astrologySubject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and others

Dear Swee and other members,

Read your reply on yogakaraka, could you pls explain what is Karakamsa and how

does one calculate that.

Thanks in advance

Sunil John

-

Swee Chan

Friday, January 10, 2003 9:09 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka

Dear Vaijayuma,

YK means owner of a trine and kendra. Luminaries can never be a YK as they both rule one house each.

Namaste, Swee

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January 12, 2003

Dear Sunil,

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I

presume a malefic planet as AK means highly developed soul. Is their a scale

for all the planets as AK in diff charts.

Sunil

John

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Yes, my own assumption is this: Saturn,

Mars and Rahu. The reason why Rahu could swing either way is it is dependent on

the sign it is in. i.e., if it is in Gemini and is AK, then it would only turn

one into the higher realms, ONLY if Mercury becomes a malefic. The same would

go for one born during the dark of the Moon, and it is AK. But as I have said

before, in my case, working my period through AK benefic Moon indicates less

suffering is an under statement. But then, it has the aspect of Badhak planet from

the 6th.(Just working it out aloud.)

Best wishes, Swee

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solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Atma (soul) karaka

(significator). This cumulative karma for self can be seen in the planet with

the highest longitude. I guess you could say it indicates the spiritual

achievements or progress in one’s present life. It is transient as each life

that we take on may have a different planet as AK. According to the teachings

here, an AK represented by a malefic indicates a highly evolved soul.

solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Chara (variable) Karakas

constitute the variable significators of the 8 planets. Ketu being the moksha

karaka is not included. These are helpful in deciphering the type of people who

maybe involved in any Raja Yogas in your chart.

solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Let me give an example from

my chart:

solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Moon is AK and is also

Yogada ( yoga maker). In Vimsottari dasa, during the period of Mo/Ma one would

expect tense situations. Mars is Jnaati Karaka (GK or rivals) it is also the

natural significator for younger sibling. Mars is on my ascendant and aspects

Rahu in the 8th. Rahu is Matri Karaka (Mother). During those periods

of Moon and PD of Mars and Rahu, one would expect some sort of initial

disruption, but can be resolved later. That’s what an AK is capable of. It

could give initial headaches, but will certainly bless one in so many areas.

Spiritually (debilitated Rahu in the 8th. The 8th can

indicate death like situations and Rahu’s debilitation can indicate

spirituality. That’s what I gained during those operating periods. Whereas

materially, you would expect the Raja Yoga to rise immensely. That’s exactly

what took place.

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on this subject.

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and read Narasimha’s Book : Vedic Astrology; An Integrated Approach. I now have

3 copies, so where ever I visit most, I have a copy to refer to when the need

arises. Perhaps one day I could have this in e-book format

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Friday, January 10, 2003

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Swee Chan

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Friday, January 10, 2003

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Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and others

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solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">Karakamsa is the

12th from your AK (Atma

Karaka) in Navamsa.

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Yogakaraka. The following ascendants will have YK:

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mso-ansi-language:FR-LU">Ta, Cn, Le, Li, Cp and Aq

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drawn out here for you.

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color:black">Rasi

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color:black">Read your reply on yogakaraka, could you pls explain what is

Karakamsa and how does one calculate that.

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color:black">Thanks in advance

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January 12, 2003

Dear Swee and all,

I have been reading with interest your communications with Sunil. I am in

need of a little clarification, please. When you refer to malefics and

benefics, with reference to the AK are you refering to natural or functional

mal/ben attributes? I have Saturn as AK but he is also my lagna lord and a

benefic for Aquarius lagna so I a bit confused. I'm sorry if this is a

kindergarten question but I am often unsure when reading the literature

whether an author is refering to the natural or functional ben/mal nature of

a planet. Could you enlighten me, please.

(I don't think I'm a very evolved soul despite Saturn).

Love,

Gili

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>"Swee Chan" <swee

><vedic astrology>

>RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of atmakaraka- to Swee and

>others

>Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:16:36 +0530

>

>Dear Sunil,

>

>Dear Swee Chan,

>

>I presume a malefic planet as AK means highly developed soul. Is their a

>scale for all the planets as AK in diff charts.

>

>Sunil John

>

>Yes, my own assumption is this: Saturn, Mars and Rahu. The reason why Rahu

>could swing either way is it is dependent on the sign it is in. i.e., if it

>is in Gemini and is AK, then it would only turn one into the higher realms,

>ONLY if Mercury becomes a malefic. The same would go for one born during

>the

>dark of the Moon, and it is AK. But as I have said before, in my case,

>working my period through AK benefic Moon indicates less suffering is an

>under statement. But then, it has the aspect of Badhak planet from the

>6th.(Just working it out aloud.)

>

>Best wishes, Swee

>

>-

>Swee Chan <swee

><vedic astrology>

>Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:08 AM

>RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and

>others

>

>Jaya Jagannatha

>

>Dear Tushankur,

>

>Atma (soul) karaka (significator). This cumulative karma for self can be

>seen in the planet with the highest longitude. I guess you could say it

>indicates the spiritual achievements or progress in one’s present life. It

>is transient as each life that we take on may have a different planet as

>AK.

>According to the teachings here, an AK represented by a malefic indicates a

>highly evolved soul.

>Chara (variable) Karakas constitute the variable significators of the 8

>planets. Ketu being the moksha karaka is not included. These are helpful in

>deciphering the type of people who maybe involved in any Raja Yogas in your

>chart.

>Let me give an example from my chart:

>Moon is AK and is also Yogada ( yoga maker). In Vimsottari dasa, during the

>period of Mo/Ma one would expect tense situations. Mars is Jnaati Karaka

>(GK

>or rivals) it is also the natural significator for younger sibling. Mars is

>on my ascendant and aspects Rahu in the 8th. Rahu is Matri Karaka (Mother).

>During those periods of Moon and PD of Mars and Rahu, one would expect some

>sort of initial disruption, but can be resolved later. That’s what an AK is

>capable of. It could give initial headaches, but will certainly bless one

>in

>so many areas. Spiritually (debilitated Rahu in the 8th. The 8th can

>indicate death like situations and Rahu’s debilitation can indicate

>spirituality. That’s what I gained during those operating periods. Whereas

>materially, you would expect the Raja Yoga to rise immensely. That’s

>exactly

>what took place.

>Well, that’s my take anyway on this subject.

>

>May I recommend that you try and read Narasimha’s Book : Vedic Astrology;

>An

>Integrated Approach. I now have 3 copies, so where ever I visit most, I

>have

>a copy to refer to when the need arises. Perhaps one day I could have this

>in e-book format :-)

>

>Namaste, Swee

>

>Tushankur.Saroha [Tushankur.Saroha]

>Friday, January 10, 2003 9:35 AM

>RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and

>others

>

>Dear Swee,

>

>Please elaborate what Atma Karaka is?

>

>Thanks in advance...

>

>Tushankur

>----

>**There are two types of people in this world, good and bad. The good sleep

>better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more - Woody

>Allen**

>

>Swee Chan [swee]

>Friday, January 10, 2003 3:04 PM

>RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and

>others

>Dear Sunil John,

>

>Karakamsa is the 12th from your AK (Atma Karaka) in Navamsa.

>YK means Yogakaraka. The following ascendants will have YK:

>Ta, Cn, Le, Li, Cp and Aq

>

>Simple chart drawn out here for you.

>

>Rasi

>Houses

>Yogakaraka Planet

>Ta

>9 & 10

>Saturn

>Cn

>5 & 10

>Mars

>Le

>4 & 9

>Mars

>Li

>4 & 5

>Saturn

>Cp

>5 & 10

>Venus

>Aq

>4 & 9

>Venus

>

>Best wishes, Swee

>

>Sunil John [suniljohn]

>Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:07 PM

>Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and

>others

>

>Dear Swee and other members,

>

>Read your reply on yogakaraka, could you pls explain what is Karakamsa and

>how does one calculate that.

>

>Thanks in advance

>

>Sunil John

>

>-

>Swee Chan <swee

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>

>Dear Vaijayuma,

>

>YK means owner of a trine and kendra. Luminaries can never be a YK as they

>both rule one house each.

>

>Namaste, Swee

>

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January 13, 2003

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

Dear members,

Namaste.

My way of doing it is not only to check the nature of the planet becoming the

AK, but also its strength and relationship woth the 1st and 9th house. The

important divisons lik e Navamsa and Vimsamsa should also be studied in this

regard. So just Rahu being the AK will not automatically ensure that the native

is a saint, because statistically every 8th person may have it but not all of

them are saints.

My findings are as follows:

Nature of planets:

Sun - dharmic person, but suffers a lot because of the Karaka Bhava Naasaya

priciple. The Sun is the Bhava Karaka for the 1st house. So if he also becomes

a chara Atmakaraka, then he may give a lot of suffering.

Moon - gentle person, easily influenced or convinced, love for people is an

important feature in his spirituality.

Mars - fanatic, fights for his beliefs (I also got one like this)

Mercury - philosophically very diverse or tolerant

Jupiter - wise, gets to the point of things, peaceful

Venus - Likes to be happy and see others happy

Saturn - perfgorms great tapasya for achieving the goals, may be orthodox or

even fundamentalist, usually traditional.

Rahu - May be unorthodox, but many times uncompromising and fearless.

If the AK links the Lagna and the 9th then it is fully functional in the

spiritual sense. Naturally AK in Lagn or trines is the best. It gives good

pooortunity to advance. AK in kendras is usually strong, but more of a

stagnating, preserving rather than advancing nature. AK in dusthanas is usually

adverse for spiritual development unless involved in a strong viparita rajayoga

or a pravrajya yoga from AL.

If AK links to Lagna but not 9th house, then the native's spirituality remains a

personal interest, and he does not necessarily manifest it externally by joining

a religious organization. If it links only to the 9th but no the Lg, then he may

be actively involved in a religious organization, but his spirituality may be

somewnat superficial.

If AK is retrograde, nwo I have heard different interpretations on this. One is

that the native is born with a strong desire, that he will fulfill whatever it

does take in his life. My idea is that the desire may be connected to the

natural significations of the house where the AK is situated. Also another ide

of mine is that the retrogression reverses the AK's nature. i.e. a retrograde

Venus as AK in Hitler's chart caused that he caused sufferings to others and

became sefcentered despite AK bein in the 7th. A retrograde Jupiter as AK in

osho's 2nd house made him speak against the accepted religious tenets and

because it was in Cancer and Upapada he stated that love of God is equal to

sexual union. Another observation of mine is that as the retrograde planet is

acting in a reverse way, it may also cause the native to act against his own

spiritual benefit. I don't know if you have met other charts with retro AK and

have analysed it.

If AK is debilitated, then I would think it indicates spiritual weakness and the

native losing spiritual energy on account of activities related to the house

ocuppied by the AK. Especially deb. AK in Navamsha should be considered a sign

of Spiritual weakness. As for debilitated AK in Vimsamsa, I can't tell

definitely, according to some deb. planets in Vimsamsa are a blessing. Maybe

this point is acceptable but I would also look for those planet being involved

in a pravrajya yoga or a viparita rajayoga in D-20.

Of course the position of AK in D-charts up from D-30 could also make a very interesting study.

I hope this helps and comments are welcome.

Yours,

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies:

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Swee Chan

Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:46 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of atmakaraka- to Swee and others

Dear Sunil,

Dear Swee Chan,

I presume a malefic planet as AK means highly developed soul. Is their a scale

for all the planets as AK in diff charts.

Sunil John

Yes, my own assumption is this: Saturn, Mars and Rahu. The reason why Rahu could

swing either way is it is dependent on the sign it is in. i.e., if it is in

Gemini and is AK, then it would only turn one into the higher realms, ONLY if

Mercury becomes a malefic. The same would go for one born during the dark of

the Moon, and it is AK. But as I have said before, in my case, working my

period through AK benefic Moon indicates less suffering is an under statement.

But then, it has the aspect of Badhak planet from the 6th.(Just working it out

aloud.)

Best wishes, Swee

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Swee Chan

Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:08 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and others

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Tushankur,

Atma (soul) karaka (significator). This cumulative karma for self can be seen in

the planet with the highest longitude. I guess you could say it indicates the

spiritual achievements or progress in one’s present life. It is transient as

each life that we take on may have a different planet as AK. According to the

teachings here, an AK represented by a malefic indicates a highly evolved soul.

Chara (variable) Karakas constitute the variable significators of the 8 planets.

Ketu being the moksha karaka is not included. These are helpful in deciphering

the type of people who maybe involved in any Raja Yogas in your chart.

Let me give an example from my chart:

Moon is AK and is also Yogada ( yoga maker). In Vimsottari dasa, during the

period of Mo/Ma one would expect tense situations. Mars is Jnaati Karaka (GK or

rivals) it is also the natural significator for younger sibling. Mars is on my

ascendant and aspects Rahu in the 8th. Rahu is Matri Karaka (Mother). During

those periods of Moon and PD of Mars and Rahu, one would expect some sort of

initial disruption, but can be resolved later. That’s what an AK is capable of.

It could give initial headaches, but will certainly bless one in so many areas.

Spiritually (debilitated Rahu in the 8th. The 8th can indicate death like

situations and Rahu’s debilitation can indicate spirituality. That’s what I

gained during those operating periods. Whereas materially, you would expect the

Raja Yoga to rise immensely. That’s exactly what took place.

Well, that’s my take anyway on this subject.

May I recommend that you try and read Narasimha’s Book : Vedic Astrology; An

Integrated Approach. I now have 3 copies, so where ever I visit most, I have a

copy to refer to when the need arises. Perhaps one day I could have this in

e-book format J

Namaste, Swee

Tushankur.Saroha

[Tushankur.Saroha (AT) rsystems (DOT) com]Friday, January 10, 2003 9:35 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of

yogakaraka - to Swee and others

Dear Swee,

Please elaborate what Atma Karaka is?

Thanks in advance...

Tushankur

---- **There are two types of people in this

world, good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the

waking hours much more - Woody Allen**

Swee Chan [swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]Sent:

Friday, January 10, 2003 3:04 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE:

[vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and others

Dear Sunil John,

Karakamsa is the 12th from your AK (Atma Karaka) in Navamsa.

YK means Yogakaraka. The following ascendants will have YK:

Ta, Cn, Le, Li, Cp and Aq

Simple chart drawn out here for you.

Rasi

Houses

Yogakaraka Planet

Ta

9 & 10

Saturn

Cn

5 & 10

Mars

Le

4 & 9

Mars

Li

4 & 5

Saturn

Cp

5 & 10

Venus

Aq

4 & 9

Venus

Best wishes, Swee

Sunil John [suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net]Sent:

Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:07 PMvedic astrologySubject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka - to Swee and others

Dear Swee and other members,

Read your reply on yogakaraka, could you pls explain what is Karakamsa and how

does one calculate that.

Thanks in advance

Sunil John

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Swee Chan

Friday, January 10, 2003 9:09 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of yogakaraka

Dear Vaijayuma,

YK means owner of a trine and kendra. Luminaries can never be a YK as they both rule one house each.

Namaste, Swee

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Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Gauranga das,

Pranaams -

Interesting discussion you've opened re: Atmakaraka in different states,

viz. retrogression, exaltation, debilitation, etc. I would like to add

somewhat to what you've written, as my forthcoming book on Drig dasa

(almost completed now) gives various perspectives on the AK in different

situations as well. I had one comment on the following:

You wrote:

>If AK is debilitated, then I would think it indicates spiritual weakness

>and the native losing spiritual energy on account of activities related to

>the house ocuppied by the AK. Especially deb. AK in Navamsha should be

>considered a sign of Spiritual weakness. As for debilitated AK in

>Vimsamsa, I can't tell definitely, according to some deb. planets in

>Vimsamsa are a blessing. Maybe this point is acceptable but I would also

>look for those planet being involved in a pravrajya yoga or a viparita

>rajayoga in D-20.

The point to bear in mind re: AK, is that he is never "weak"

spiritually. The AK, regardless of normal weakening conditions such as

debilitation, combustion, rasi or bhava sandhi, etc., remains powerful from

the spiritual point of view. He is, after all, the Atma, who, according to

the Bhagavad-gita, does not become affected by material adversity or

pleasure. His functioning materially speaking, however, will be

troublesome, with the resulting challenges being indirect impetuses in

themselves toward spiritual advancement. In the latter case, there will be

either Argala or rashi drishti, or both, from the Ishta-devata graha to the

AK (in the Rashi chart), as during the appropriate Drig dasa, the

Ishta-devata will "impose" (bless is a better word) him/herself on the life

of the native, and he will advance spiritually in the wake of material

disillusionment. The relationship between the AK and the Ishta-devata is

thus vital in knowing whether blessings will come forth and when, so that

the Atma can rise to a position of spiritual illumination.

Another point is, that exaltation brings forth similar energetic effects as

"Purusha", or masculine principles, whereas debilitation is akin to

"Prakriti", or feminine principles like submission, gentleness,

receptivity, etc. The latter qualities, are more beneficial in

consideration of the appropriate mood or disposition of a saintly

person. Still, in my studies, I have found too that an exalted AK, and one

which engages in Raja-yoga also, are found in the charts of the most

influential spiritualists of all time.

Your observations are good, re: there needs to be a connection between the

AK and lagna lord, as well as trinal houses/lords in order that spiritual

advancement may occur throughout the course of the current lifetime. My

point here, however, is that such advancement does not depend on the

strength of the AK planet by Shad-bala or other criteria.

A CASE IN POINT:

I have a case of a native who has a strong, exalted and vargottama Jupiter,

while the Sagittarius AK Moon is vargottama as well. Yet, she has always

been troubled in her spiritual life, and could never find the right path

spiritually speaking. Now, in the rasi chart, the Ishta-devata Mars is

weak and afflicted, and in a 6/8 relationship with the AK. During the

Vimsottari dasa of the Ishta-devata, i.e. Mars, and then Rahu who conjoins

it, she suffered terribly and was totally lost spiritually. How could that

happen when the AK and its lord Jupiter are so strong? The next dasa of

Jupiter, being in kendras to the AK, in trine relationship to the

Ishta-devata, and in strong Parivartana yoga in Navamsa, will bring the

blessings of guru and devata showering down on her.

So, those are my thoughts for today. Would be interested to hear what

others think.......

Best wishes,

Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jyotish guru, Sri Jagannath Center

Email: rk

PH: 541-318-0248

January 13, 2003

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"Robert A. Koch" <rk

Monday, January 13, 2003 8:08 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of atmakaraka- to Swee and others

>

> Om Gurave Namah,

>

> Dear Gauranga das,

>

> Pranaams -

>

> Interesting discussion you've opened re: Atmakaraka in different states,

> viz. retrogression, exaltation, debilitation, etc. I would like to add

> somewhat to what you've written, as my forthcoming book on Drig dasa

> (almost completed now) gives various perspectives on the AK in different

> situations as well. I had one comment on the following:

>

> You wrote:

>

> >If AK is debilitated, then I would think it indicates spiritual weakness

> >and the native losing spiritual energy on account of activities related

to

> >the house ocuppied by the AK. Especially deb. AK in Navamsha should be

> >considered a sign of Spiritual weakness. As for debilitated AK in

> >Vimsamsa, I can't tell definitely, according to some deb. planets in

> >Vimsamsa are a blessing. Maybe this point is acceptable but I would also

> >look for those planet being involved in a pravrajya yoga or a viparita

> >rajayoga in D-20.

>

> The point to bear in mind re: AK, is that he is never "weak"

> spiritually. The AK, regardless of normal weakening conditions such as

> debilitation, combustion, rasi or bhava sandhi, etc., remains powerful

from

> the spiritual point of view. He is, after all, the Atma, who, according

to

> the Bhagavad-gita, does not become affected by material adversity or

> pleasure. His functioning materially speaking, however, will be

> troublesome, with the resulting challenges being indirect impetuses in

> themselves toward spiritual advancement. In the latter case, there will

be

> either Argala or rashi drishti, or both, from the Ishta-devata graha to

the

> AK (in the Rashi chart), as during the appropriate Drig dasa, the

> Ishta-devata will "impose" (bless is a better word) him/herself on the

life

> of the native, and he will advance spiritually in the wake of material

> disillusionment. The relationship between the AK and the Ishta-devata is

> thus vital in knowing whether blessings will come forth and when, so that

> the Atma can rise to a position of spiritual illumination.

>

> Another point is, that exaltation brings forth similar energetic effects

as

> "Purusha", or masculine principles, whereas debilitation is akin to

> "Prakriti", or feminine principles like submission, gentleness,

> receptivity, etc. The latter qualities, are more beneficial in

> consideration of the appropriate mood or disposition of a saintly

> person. Still, in my studies, I have found too that an exalted AK, and

one

> which engages in Raja-yoga also, are found in the charts of the most

> influential spiritualists of all time.

>

> Your observations are good, re: there needs to be a connection between the

> AK and lagna lord, as well as trinal houses/lords in order that spiritual

> advancement may occur throughout the course of the current lifetime. My

> point here, however, is that such advancement does not depend on the

> strength of the AK planet by Shad-bala or other criteria.

>

> A CASE IN POINT:

>

> I have a case of a native who has a strong, exalted and vargottama

Jupiter,

> while the Sagittarius AK Moon is vargottama as well. Yet, she has always

> been troubled in her spiritual life, and could never find the right path

> spiritually speaking. Now, in the rasi chart, the Ishta-devata Mars is

> weak and afflicted, and in a 6/8 relationship with the AK. During the

> Vimsottari dasa of the Ishta-devata, i.e. Mars, and then Rahu who conjoins

> it, she suffered terribly and was totally lost spiritually. How could

that

> happen when the AK and its lord Jupiter are so strong? The next dasa of

> Jupiter, being in kendras to the AK, in trine relationship to the

> Ishta-devata, and in strong Parivartana yoga in Navamsa, will bring the

> blessings of guru and devata showering down on her.

>

> So, those are my thoughts for today. Would be interested to hear what

> others think.......

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Jyotish guru, Sri Jagannath Center

> http://www.robertkoch.com

> Email: rk

> PH: 541-318-0248

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

January 13, 2003

Talking of material disillusionment - the Australian papers show that in the

last 10 years, 23% of people between 30 and 59 have chosen to reduce their

income and have more time for other things. This does not include early

retirees, people going back to study, or women leaving to have babies. They

have decided that there are more important things in life and are willing to

do with fewer things in order to pursue them. I think this is very

encouraging. I wonder what the experience has been in other countries?

Nimmi

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"Robert A. Koch" <rk

Monday, January 13, 2003 8:08 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Meaning of atmakaraka- to Swee and others

>

> Om Gurave Namah,

>

> Dear Gauranga das,

>

> Pranaams -

>

> Interesting discussion you've opened re: Atmakaraka in different states,

> viz. retrogression, exaltation, debilitation, etc. I would like to add

> somewhat to what you've written, as my forthcoming book on Drig dasa

> (almost completed now) gives various perspectives on the AK in different

> situations as well. I had one comment on the following:

>

> You wrote:

>

> >If AK is debilitated, then I would think it indicates spiritual weakness

> >and the native losing spiritual energy on account of activities related

to

> >the house ocuppied by the AK. Especially deb. AK in Navamsha should be

> >considered a sign of Spiritual weakness. As for debilitated AK in

> >Vimsamsa, I can't tell definitely, according to some deb. planets in

> >Vimsamsa are a blessing. Maybe this point is acceptable but I would also

> >look for those planet being involved in a pravrajya yoga or a viparita

> >rajayoga in D-20.

>

> The point to bear in mind re: AK, is that he is never "weak"

> spiritually. The AK, regardless of normal weakening conditions such as

> debilitation, combustion, rasi or bhava sandhi, etc., remains powerful

from

> the spiritual point of view. He is, after all, the Atma, who, according

to

> the Bhagavad-gita, does not become affected by material adversity or

> pleasure. His functioning materially speaking, however, will be

> troublesome, with the resulting challenges being indirect impetuses in

> themselves toward spiritual advancement. In the latter case, there will

be

> either Argala or rashi drishti, or both, from the Ishta-devata graha to

the

> AK (in the Rashi chart), as during the appropriate Drig dasa, the

> Ishta-devata will "impose" (bless is a better word) him/herself on the

life

> of the native, and he will advance spiritually in the wake of material

> disillusionment. The relationship between the AK and the Ishta-devata is

> thus vital in knowing whether blessings will come forth and when, so that

> the Atma can rise to a position of spiritual illumination.

>

> Another point is, that exaltation brings forth similar energetic effects

as

> "Purusha", or masculine principles, whereas debilitation is akin to

> "Prakriti", or feminine principles like submission, gentleness,

> receptivity, etc. The latter qualities, are more beneficial in

> consideration of the appropriate mood or disposition of a saintly

> person. Still, in my studies, I have found too that an exalted AK, and

one

> which engages in Raja-yoga also, are found in the charts of the most

> influential spiritualists of all time.

>

> Your observations are good, re: there needs to be a connection between the

> AK and lagna lord, as well as trinal houses/lords in order that spiritual

> advancement may occur throughout the course of the current lifetime. My

> point here, however, is that such advancement does not depend on the

> strength of the AK planet by Shad-bala or other criteria.

>

> A CASE IN POINT:

>

> I have a case of a native who has a strong, exalted and vargottama

Jupiter,

> while the Sagittarius AK Moon is vargottama as well. Yet, she has always

> been troubled in her spiritual life, and could never find the right path

> spiritually speaking. Now, in the rasi chart, the Ishta-devata Mars is

> weak and afflicted, and in a 6/8 relationship with the AK. During the

> Vimsottari dasa of the Ishta-devata, i.e. Mars, and then Rahu who conjoins

> it, she suffered terribly and was totally lost spiritually. How could

that

> happen when the AK and its lord Jupiter are so strong? The next dasa of

> Jupiter, being in kendras to the AK, in trine relationship to the

> Ishta-devata, and in strong Parivartana yoga in Navamsa, will bring the

> blessings of guru and devata showering down on her.

>

> So, those are my thoughts for today. Would be interested to hear what

> others think.......

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Jyotish guru, Sri Jagannath Center

> http://www.robertkoch.com

> Email: rk

> PH: 541-318-0248

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

January 14, 2003

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

Dear Robert,

Pranaams.

>

> Interesting discussion you've opened re: Atmakaraka in different states,

> viz. retrogression, exaltation, debilitation, etc. I would like to add

> somewhat to what you've written, as my forthcoming book on Drig dasa

> (almost completed now) gives various perspectives on the AK in different

> situations as well. I had one comment on the following:

>

> You wrote:

Interesting idea. I think you admit that the state of spiritual weakness may

be there in certain cases. Now what astrological indication would you find

for that? What about AK being in malefic avasthas?

Yours,

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

gauranga

Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

Phone:+36-309-140-839

January 14, 2003

Om Gurave Namah

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pranaams Gauranga,

Thanks for your reply. My answer here, will also address Jay Weiss'

question regarding weak Navamsa positions of the AK,etc. The

following is what I wrote, which presumably you are replying to:

>The point to bear in mind re: AK, is that he is never

"weak" spiritually. The AK, regardless of normal

weakening conditions such as debilitation, combustion, rasi or bhava

sandhi, etc., remains powerful from the spiritual point of view. He

is, after all, the Atma, who, according to the Bhagavad-gita, does not

become affected by material adversity or pleasure. His functioning

materially speaking, however, will be troublesome, with the resulting

challenges being indirect impetuses in themselves toward spiritual

advancement. In the latter case, there will be either Argala or

rashi drishti, or both, from the Ishta-devata graha to the AK (in the

Rashi chart), as during the appropriate Drig dasa, the Ishta-devata will

"impose" (bless is a better word) him/herself on the life of

the native, and he will advance spiritually in the wake of material

disillusionment. The relationship between the AK and the

Ishta-devata is thus vital in knowing whether blessings will come forth

and when, so that the Atma can rise to a position of spiritual

illumination.

You wrote:

Interesting idea. I think you admit that the

state of spiritual weakness may

be there in certain cases. Now what astrological indication would you

find

for that? What about AK being in malefic avasthas?

The Atmakaraka, after all, is not *solely* responsible for, say, the

great fortune of getting a Diksha guru, advancing in sadhana, and

attaining higher births after this lifetime. If that were the case,

then everybody would acquire these, as everybody has an AK in their

chart. So, certainly other qualifiers must be in place to (a)

determine who has the fortune of making spiritual advancement throughout

the course of life; and (b) what are the combinations/yogas that would

indicate this, or the lack of such opportunities as well.

Now, the point I was making came in reference to the distinctions

Parasara and Jaimini Rishi have given to the AK namely that no

yogas/combinations for success, materially or spiritually, will prosper

if the AK does not support those yogas; and further, if the AK supports a

particular karma or purpose, then it will succeed, while no other

intervening force can stop it. [Refer to BPHS, Chapter 32, 3-12 for

details].

So this gives a pre-eminent status to the AK, yet he does not stand

alone. Considering this, Raja-yogas for spirituality and

advancement (of which there are many) should predominate in the chart,

and such combinations should receive the aspect or Argala from the

Atmakaraka planet. When that occurs, it does not matter in the

least if the AK is debilitated, combust, etc., if we are to take the

above Shlokas from BPHS verbatim. The simple combination of the AK

in tandem with existing strong yogas for spirituality, will bring about

spiritual strength. On the other hand, the absence of the

involvement of AK, will not allow such strong yogas to prosper.

This will be the case, regardless of the shad-bala, or other criteria of

strength for the AK, as well as however strong the existing Raja-yogas

may be.

So where does spiritual weakness come in? (a) trinal and kendra

lords are not found to be having Raja-yoga with the lord of the lagna;

(b) the lagna lord, the Sun, Jupiter, and trinal lords, are weak,

afflicted, or lacking pre-disposition toward spirituality; and © the AK

is not in a position to stimulate dharma houses or their lords or

karakas, as well as relevant Chara karakas as well, such as

Bratrikaraka. Further, the Navamsa and Vimsamsa charts do not

substantiate a claim to spiritual strength by way of similar

criteria. There may be lack of involvement from Ishta-devata,

or other devatas as well.

In essence, the AK is the King, and all others are his servants and

ministers. A debilitated AK, combust, in weak Avasthas, etc.,

simply means that the material situations of life over which the AK has

jurisdiction, will suffer in the life of the native. But because

the AK is the ruler of such houses/areas, such suffering serves as in an

advertent springboard toward his spiritual success. As said before,

the feminine nature, or Prakriti, associated with debilitation, is

favorable in the lives of saints and devotees/sadhakas, as no one is able

to please his/her guru or devata with Ahamkara (pride). Service in

humility invariably comes out of a rather challenging experience of

material life.

Best wishes,

Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

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January 15, 2003

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

Dear Robert,

Pranaams.

Shlokas 11-12 of Ch 34 (Kaarakaadhyaaya) of BPHS go as follows:

kaaryam kartum manushyaanaam na samarthaa bhavanti hi

tatha' tmakaarake kruure na' nye svashubhadaayakah

anukuule nrpe yadvat sarve ' maatyaadayo dvija

naashubham kurvate tadvannaanye svaa' shubhadaayakah

Sharma's translation goes as follows:

"O bramhin, just as the ministers etc. are not capable of doing public works if

they are adverse to the king, in the same way if the atma karaka is

inauspicious, then the other karakas are unable to give auspicious effects. O

brahmni, just as all the ministers etc. are favourable if the king is

favourable, in the same way the other karakas alos do not exert their malefic

influence af the atma karaka is favourable. "

So what woudl ehre the exprtession kruura atmakarake mean? He sasy if the

Atmakaraka is krura, then all the other Karakas are also unable to give benefic

results. This is of course a different approach than the discussion about the

strength of the AK, but here it looks like the AK may be auspicious or

inauspicious and this would cardinally determine the success of the native and

the results expected from the other karakas.

What do you think?

Yours,

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