Vimsottari variations and Tagore's death

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Om Sreem Suragurave Brihaspataye Namah

My dear Visti,

 

Namaste!

 

> Dear Ramapriya,

> Rabindranath Tagore, had Gulika in Jupiters Nakshatra. Thats why he died

during Jupiter Dasa.

> Best wishes

> Visti

 

Good point. Dr. Raman attributes it to Jupiter being in Mercury's nakshatra

(see "Notable Horoscopes"). Your point is better.

 

In my book as well as in my class at last week's "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop",

I taught that the normal Vimsottari dasa always works, but its variations

may give _clearer_ indications sometimes. One may sometimes see a weak

maraka giving death using the normal Vimsottari dasa, but invariably the

strongest maraka gives death when one uses the correct variation.

 

One can make a case for Jupiter's ability to kill in this chart. But, had I

been making a prediction with this chart, I would honestly have expected

Mercury to give death and not Jupiter. Mercury is the 8th lord in D-30 and

he is the 7th lord in the 2nd house in rasi chart. Clearly, he is the

greatest maraka in this chart.

 

Clearly, there must be a more focuseed dasa for predicting death, according

to which Mercury dasa must be running on 7th August 1941, when he died.

 

Indeed there is. Look at the Kshema Vimsottari dasa (Vimsottari dasa

initiated from the 4th star from Moon's star). As per this dasa, Tagore died

towards the end of Mercury-Venus antardasa.

 

Mercury is the 7th lord in 2nd and the greatest maraka. Venus is 8th lord in

2nd and a maraka too. Moreover, taking the dasa lord Mercury as lagna, Venus

is the 2nd and 7th lord afflicting 1st and hence a great maraka. Overall,

Mercury-Venus antardasa fits beautifully (better than Jupiter-Jupiter).

 

Clearly, Kshema Vimsottari dasa shows death in a much clearer fashion than

the normal Chandra Vimsottari dasa. But why? Why is the 2nd quarter of

Krittika (4th star from Moon's star) stronger than the 2nd quarter of Revati

(Moon's star)? The rule is to check the planets in quadrants. Krittika 2nd

quarter is in Taurus and Revati 2nd quarter is in Pisces. There in only one

planet (Saturn) in a quadrant from Taurus, while there are 3 planets

excluding Moon (Mars and nodes) in quadrants from Pisces. Based on the rules

we have been taught, normal Chandra Vimsottari dasa should work better. But

that is not found to be the case.

 

Obviously, something is missing. I will suggest a theory.

 

Recently, a student of Sanjay ji from Delhi told me that Sanjay ji taught

them about a special Bhava chakra that is nakshatra pada based. He did not

mention anything more or any specific use, but that one point he mentioned

got me thinking. This particular thing of comparing nakshatra padas by

taking the planets in quadrants could be one use of that bhava chakra.

Taking the nakshatra pada based (aligned) bhava chakra instead of rasi

chakra, we see in Tagore's chart that there are only 2 planets (Rahu and

Ketu) in quadrants from Revati 2nd quarter, while there are 4 planets (Sun,

Venus, Jupiter and Saturn) in quadrants from Krittika 2nd quarter. Instead

of being 3 and 1, the counts now become 2 and 4 (respectively). Thus Kshema

Vimsottari wins! Even if you include Utpanna and Adhana variations, still

kshema Vimsottari is the winner (counts are 2, 4, 1 and 2). That variation

indeed works better here than the other three variations in showing death.

 

This way of comparing the planet counts in quadrants also resolves an issue

I've always had. In 88.88% charts, Moon's star and the adhana star are in

signs that are quadrants from each other. When we compare their strengths,

we always have a tie. With this approach of finding quadrants in the bhava

chart based on nakshatra padas, there need not be a tie always.

 

The research finding (or intelligent guess :-) ) mentioned above could be

wrong. But it is atleast clear that the rules we know are not perfect and

that Kshema Vimsottari dasa explains death much cleaner in this chart.

 

I am cc'ing this mail to Sanjay ji in the hope that he will have some input.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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hamsa om soham

 

Dear Guru,

 

Whenever we discuss this topic, we are told that the Bhava chart shows the

astral body. So, maybe it makes sense to use this chart to time birth &

death. Paramahamsa Yogananda wrote that the astral world is the abode of the

soul between births in this physical world.

 

ajit

 

-

"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

 

> Om Sreem Suragurave Brihaspataye Namah

> My dear Visti,

>

> Namaste!

>

> > Dear Ramapriya,

> > Rabindranath Tagore, had Gulika in Jupiters Nakshatra. Thats why he died

> during Jupiter Dasa.

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

>

> Good point. Dr. Raman attributes it to Jupiter being in Mercury's

nakshatra

> (see "Notable Horoscopes"). Your point is better.

>

> In my book as well as in my class at last week's "Achyuta Jyotish

Workshop",

> I taught that the normal Vimsottari dasa always works, but its variations

> may give _clearer_ indications sometimes. One may sometimes see a weak

> maraka giving death using the normal Vimsottari dasa, but invariably the

> strongest maraka gives death when one uses the correct variation.

>

> One can make a case for Jupiter's ability to kill in this chart. But, had

I

> been making a prediction with this chart, I would honestly have expected

> Mercury to give death and not Jupiter. Mercury is the 8th lord in D-30 and

> he is the 7th lord in the 2nd house in rasi chart. Clearly, he is the

> greatest maraka in this chart.

>

> Clearly, there must be a more focuseed dasa for predicting death,

according

> to which Mercury dasa must be running on 7th August 1941, when he died.

>

> Indeed there is. Look at the Kshema Vimsottari dasa (Vimsottari dasa

> initiated from the 4th star from Moon's star). As per this dasa, Tagore

died

> towards the end of Mercury-Venus antardasa.

>

> Mercury is the 7th lord in 2nd and the greatest maraka. Venus is 8th lord

in

> 2nd and a maraka too. Moreover, taking the dasa lord Mercury as lagna,

Venus

> is the 2nd and 7th lord afflicting 1st and hence a great maraka. Overall,

> Mercury-Venus antardasa fits beautifully (better than Jupiter-Jupiter).

>

> Clearly, Kshema Vimsottari dasa shows death in a much clearer fashion than

> the normal Chandra Vimsottari dasa. But why? Why is the 2nd quarter of

> Krittika (4th star from Moon's star) stronger than the 2nd quarter of

Revati

> (Moon's star)? The rule is to check the planets in quadrants. Krittika 2nd

> quarter is in Taurus and Revati 2nd quarter is in Pisces. There in only

one

> planet (Saturn) in a quadrant from Taurus, while there are 3 planets

> excluding Moon (Mars and nodes) in quadrants from Pisces. Based on the

rules

> we have been taught, normal Chandra Vimsottari dasa should work better.

But

> that is not found to be the case.

>

> Obviously, something is missing. I will suggest a theory.

>

> Recently, a student of Sanjay ji from Delhi told me that Sanjay ji taught

> them about a special Bhava chakra that is nakshatra pada based. He did not

> mention anything more or any specific use, but that one point he mentioned

> got me thinking. This particular thing of comparing nakshatra padas by

> taking the planets in quadrants could be one use of that bhava chakra.

> Taking the nakshatra pada based (aligned) bhava chakra instead of rasi

> chakra, we see in Tagore's chart that there are only 2 planets (Rahu and

> Ketu) in quadrants from Revati 2nd quarter, while there are 4 planets

(Sun,

> Venus, Jupiter and Saturn) in quadrants from Krittika 2nd quarter. Instead

> of being 3 and 1, the counts now become 2 and 4 (respectively). Thus

Kshema

> Vimsottari wins! Even if you include Utpanna and Adhana variations, still

> kshema Vimsottari is the winner (counts are 2, 4, 1 and 2). That variation

> indeed works better here than the other three variations in showing death.

>

> This way of comparing the planet counts in quadrants also resolves an

issue

> I've always had. In 88.88% charts, Moon's star and the adhana star are in

> signs that are quadrants from each other. When we compare their strengths,

> we always have a tie. With this approach of finding quadrants in the bhava

> chart based on nakshatra padas, there need not be a tie always.

>

> The research finding (or intelligent guess :-) ) mentioned above could be

> wrong. But it is atleast clear that the rules we know are not perfect and

> that Kshema Vimsottari dasa explains death much cleaner in this chart.

>

> I am cc'ing this mail to Sanjay ji in the hope that he will have some

input.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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