Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 Dear Swee, Jaya Jagannath. I know next to nothing about gems but can share some preliminaries with you. Of the gems you enquire of, one source says, Bhishmakmani is quartz, Pulaka is garnet, Karkatena is Ortho clase Feldspar, lapis is rajavarta. Topaz is pushparaag. Pushparaag is different from padmaraag. Probably your guess is correct becuase the description of padmaraag in the garuda puran fits in with yours:rubies, sapphires etc. Padmaraag is described as having a variety of hues ranging from blood, red lotuses, vermillion and sometimes even a mixture of blood and blue. Some of them have the colour of the eyes of the koel and the sarus birds (go figure that one!). Pushparaag is undoubtedly topaz although reading the description I cannot help but come to the conclusion that pushparaag, padmaraag and indraneel all belong to the sapphire family. Indraneel is described everywhere as the blue sapphire and probably pushparaag is yellow sapphire, for the garuda clearly says that these three gems belong to the same family. So rather than topaz I kind of feel that yellow sapphire is being referred to with respect to pushparaag. Karkatena is said to come in many colours: blood, honey, mango, yellow, golden/fiery, blue and white. What stone do you think it is? Shishupal, along with glass, sphatik and girikaach are descrbed as variants of vaidurjya or cat's eye. Shishpal is described as being extremely light. I can't figure out lapis, possibly it could be something called vidrum mani. As far as I know, lapis is blue...does it come in other colours as well? Regards, Sarbani vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Sarbani, > > Thanks, I knew you are the expert :-) > > The problem is, there isn't. From the descriptions of some of them, the gem > descriptions do not sound like the translated version. It's the > technicalities that go with it. > > Excepting: Karketana. He does not translate it, but I take it that it is > chrysoberyl family. Many gems will fall in this category. > Bhismamani: Which mani (gem) is this? > Pulaka: Sunstone? > Bloodstone : Translated without giving the name. > Topaz: The description of the gem does not indicate that it is Topaz. If it > is padmaraga, then it falls in the corundum family (rubies, sapphires etc) > Lapis: One statement says... It has the colours of all gems available in the > earth, beginning from ruby etc. From green to red and so on. There is no > such existing Lapis in the trade. So I am not convinced that it means > Lapis. > > What are the gems: Sisupala, then it says glass crystals affected by smoky > colour (I need to know if it is glass or obsidian or smoky quartz etc). > > Thanks so much. > > Love, > Swee > swee@b... > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ <http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> > [sarbani@s...] > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:05 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems-Sanjayji > > Dear Swee, > > Can you tell me what is the name used in Sanskrit in the garuda puran > for lapis lazuli? > > Thanks, > > Sarbani > > > > vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sanjayji, > > > > Thank you for clearing this. As for Shailesh, there's a very rare > > (collectible) gemstone called morganite from the spathik family > which was > > prescribed for him. > > > > BTW, do you have a copy of the Garuda Purana (in sanskrit) with > you? I need > > to clear some points. There seems to be a grey area in the > translations into > > English, especially for Topaz (double refractive) and Lapis Lazuli, > as they > > do not make sense. The translated version is too much of a mish > mash there. > > I will write you privately about this if this is okay with you. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Swee > > swee@b... > > > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ > > > > > > Sanjay Rath [daivagyna@s...] > > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:04 AM > > vedic astrology > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Swee, > > > > There are two people I have made the recommendation for and it is > because of > > PARIVARTANA - you and Sailesh Chaddha. Both have an exchange > between venus > > and Saturn with the latter getting exalted. So wearing of diamond > has been > > very good for you and will continue to be good without fail. Diamond > > combination with blue sapphire is said to be of immense benefit for > Taurus > > and Libra Lagna. Problem with Sailesh Chart is that Saturn is in MK > avastha > > and we have to wait for it to leave Taurus to give excellent > results as he > > uses the blue sapphire. Your dependance on saturn is minimal and > instead > > Venus is better to be strengthened. > > > > Strengthening planets in malefic houses or lordships should be done > with > > caution. > > > > At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha, > > I remain, > > Sanjay Rath > > Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, > India > > Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; > Personal Web: > > http://srath.com > > - > > "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> > > <vedic astrology> > > Monday, February 03, 2003 9:06 PM > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Gauranga Das, > > > > > > There must be an exception to the rule as in my case. Venus is > duplicate > > > yogi, in parivatana with exalted 10th. Excellent yoga for D-10. I > used to > > > wear several Diamonds in platinum. > > > I asked Guruji how come my career shot up at such a young age > with wearing > > > Diamond (which he also recommends for me to wear again). I notice > my ND > > of > > > Capricorn is starting this April. So I have one of 2 main > choices: My > > > quadruple blue Aquamarine or my baguette Diamonds. I had not been > wearing > > > any gemstones for a while and thought that I should wear my aqua > ring > > before > > > my fall. It did bring almost immediate relief. The string of > Pearls felt > > > like they were suffocating me, so I took them off, excepting the > bracelet > > of > > > Moonstones on my left hand which I have been wearing for a number > of years > > . > > > Yes, this is under control in terms of aspect from Saturn. (Low > blood > > > pressure suffered for years has ceased). > > > Wearing the diamond bring me lots of sales. Aquamarine gives me > good > > > concentration. (cut from non dichroic crystal) Green tourmaline > brought > > lots > > > of new contacts in the industry; so did the Rubellite. Citrine > gives > > immense > > > calm during meditation. > > > > > > Here come the theory of treating like and like during their > dasas. (as in > > > homeopathy). If this is the case (with 4 recommendations and 4 > successes > > in > > > ailments, but not enough to warrant a mention as yet), what is the > > caratage > > > that will suffice? Garuda and Agni Puranas do not state the > weights. > > > > > > > > > (In case members here think that I switch gemstones all the time, > it is > > not > > > the case, and I have had these in my collection for many years.) > > > > > > Will appreciate more inputs. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Swee > > > swee@b... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Dear Swee, "Courier New";color:black"> Jaya Jagannath. I know next to nothing about gems but can share some preliminaries with you. Of the gems you enquire of, one source says, Bhishmakmani is quartz, Pulaka is garnet, Karkatena is Ortho clase Feldspar, font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">The only orthoclase feldsparic source that is worth anything is Adularia, and that is the Moonstone of course! font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> lapis is rajavarta. windowtext"> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Okay, this is not there in Garuda Purana, nor do any of the descriptions fit. I need referencing from you, so I can finish off this part of the identifications. font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> Topaz is pushparaag. Pushparaag is different from color:black"> padmaraag. Probably your guess is correct becuase the description of padmaraag in the garuda puran fits in with yours:rubies, sapphires etc. Padmaraag is described as having a variety of hues ranging from blood, red lotuses, vermillion and sometimes even a mixture of blood and blue. Some of them have the colour of the eyes of the koel and the sarus birds (go figure that one!). Pushparaag is undoubtedly topaz although reading the description I cannot help but come to the conclusion that pushparaag, padmaraag and indraneel all belong to the sapphire family. Indraneel is described everywhere as the blue sapphire and probably pushparaag is yellow sapphire, for the garuda clearly says that these three gems belong to the same family. So rather than topaz I kind of feel that yellow sapphire is being referred to with respect to pushparaag. windowtext"> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Yes, there are many colours in the corundum family and alongside, in the same pit, are also spinels. So the variations that are described there are spinels, I am certain of that. The ones from the river have absolutely everything. There is one especial one which looks like a mixture of light honey and the transparency of pomegranate pips. Indranila is a collectable gemstone, I would say it is Iolite. Fits the description. font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Simply brilliant. So we agree. "Courier New";mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> Karkatena is said to come in many colours: blood, honey, mango, yellow, golden/fiery, blue and white. What stone do you think it is? mso-color-alt:windowtext"> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">As above, the findings were too small worth mentioning. But the Moonstone with the bluish hue is the one that is most priced in the market. The Indian deposits are mostly grey to blackish. font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> Shishupal, along with glass, sphatik and girikaach are descrbed as "Courier New";color:black"> variants of vaidurjya or cat's eye. font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Yes, so it is from the chalcedony family then. font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> Shishpal is described as being extremely light. I can't figure out lapis, possibly it could be something called vidrum mani. font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Can you please give me the reference paragraph, so I can see how they have described it. As far as I have gone through the pages quite thoroughly, and nowhere is Lapis mentioned. font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> As far as I know, lapis is blue...does it come in other colours as well? font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Not normally, no. The colour of commercial value if cobalt blue. The Italian deposits have too much pyrite, hence, giving it a darkish (almost black) look. font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Thank you so very much. This is simply wonderful! font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New""> font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">BTW, are you good in botany? That is my next task 12.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family: "Courier New";mso-hansi-font-family:Verdana;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings">J 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;mso-fareast-font-family: "Courier New""> mso-bidi-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> Regards, Sarbani vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Sarbani, > > Thanks, I knew you are the expert :-) > > The problem is, there isn't. From the descriptions of some of them, the gem > descriptions do not sound like the translated version. It's the > technicalities that go with it. > > Excepting: Karketana. He does not translate it, but I take it that it is > chrysoberyl family. Many gems will fall in this category. > Bhismamani: Which mani (gem) is this? > Pulaka: Sunstone? > Bloodstone : Translated without giving the name. > Topaz: The description of the gem does not indicate that it is Topaz. If it > is padmaraga, then it falls in the corundum family (rubies, sapphires etc) > Lapis: One statement says... It has the colours of all gems available in the > earth, beginning from ruby etc. From green to red and so on. There is no > such existing Lapis in the trade. So I am not convinced that it means > Lapis. > > What are the gems: Sisupala, then it says glass crystals affected by smoky > colour (I need to know if it is glass or obsidian or smoky quartz etc). > > Thanks so much. > > Love, > Swee > swee@b... > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ <http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> > [sarbani@s...] > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:05 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems-Sanjayji > > Dear Swee, > > Can you tell me what is the name used in Sanskrit in the garuda puran > for lapis lazuli? > > Thanks, > > Sarbani > > > > vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sanjayji, > > > > Thank you for clearing this. As for Shailesh, there's a very rare > > (collectible) gemstone called morganite from the spathik family > which was > > prescribed for him. > > > > BTW, do you have a copy of the Garuda Purana (in sanskrit) with > you? I need > > to clear some points. There seems to be a grey area in the > translations into > > English, especially for Topaz (double refractive) and Lapis Lazuli, > as they > > do not make sense. The translated version is too much of a mish > mash there. > > I will write you privately about this if this is okay with you. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Swee > > swee@b... > > > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ > > > > > > Sanjay Rath [daivagyna@s...] > > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:04 AM > > vedic astrology > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Swee, > > > > There are two people I have made the recommendation for and it is > because of > > PARIVARTANA - you and Sailesh Chaddha. Both have an exchange > between venus > > and Saturn with the latter getting exalted. So wearing of diamond > has been > > very good for you and will continue to be good without fail. Diamond > > combination with blue sapphire is said to be of immense benefit for > Taurus > > and Libra Lagna. Problem with Sailesh Chart is that Saturn is in MK > avastha > > and we have to wait for it to leave Taurus to give excellent > results as he > > uses the blue sapphire. Your dependance on saturn is minimal and > instead > > Venus is better to be strengthened. > > > > Strengthening planets in malefic houses or lordships should be done > with > > caution. > > > > At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha, > > I remain, > > Sanjay Rath > > Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, > India > > Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; > Personal Web: > > http://srath.com > > - > > "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> > > <vedic astrology> > > Monday, February 03, 2003 9:06 PM > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Gauranga Das, > > > > > > There must be an exception to the rule as in my case. Venus is > duplicate > > > yogi, in parivatana with exalted 10th. Excellent yoga for D-10. I > used to > > > wear several Diamonds in platinum. > > > I asked Guruji how come my career shot up at such a young age > with wearing > > > Diamond (which he also recommends for me to wear again). I notice > my ND > > of > > > Capricorn is starting this April. So I have one of 2 main > choices: My > > > quadruple blue Aquamarine or my baguette Diamonds. I had not been > wearing > > > any gemstones for a while and thought that I should wear my aqua > ring > > before > > > my fall. It did bring almost immediate relief. The string of > Pearls felt > > > like they were suffocating me, so I took them off, excepting the > bracelet > > of > > > Moonstones on my left hand which I have been wearing for a number > of years > > . > > > Yes, this is under control in terms of aspect from Saturn. (Low > blood > > > pressure suffered for years has ceased). > > > Wearing the diamond bring me lots of sales. Aquamarine gives me > good > > > concentration. (cut from non dichroic crystal) Green tourmaline > brought > > lots > > > of new contacts in the industry; so did the Rubellite. Citrine > gives > > immense > > > calm during meditation. > > > > > > Here come the theory of treating like and like during their > dasas. (as in > > > homeopathy). If this is the case (with 4 recommendations and 4 > successes > > in > > > ailments, but not enough to warrant a mention as yet), what is the > > caratage > > > that will suffice? Garuda and Agni Puranas do not state the > weights. > > > > > > > > > (In case members here think that I switch gemstones all the time, > it is > > not > > > the case, and I have had these in my collection for many years.) > > > > > > Will appreciate more inputs. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Swee > > > swee@b... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service > <> .. "Courier New";color:black"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms of Service. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Dear Swee, I can give you the references for rajavarta, but unfortunately they are in Bengali. If you still want them, I would be only too happy to give them to you. In one of the astrological sources, sphatik is written to be quartz and the bhishmakmani as rock crystal. In GP,vaidurya is described in 1.73, Indraneel in 1.72, karkatena in 1.75, vidrum in 1.80 and rudhirakhya in 1.78. Best regards, Sarbani vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Sarbani, > Dear Swee, > > Jaya Jagannath. > > I know next to nothing about gems but can share some preliminaries > with you. Of the gems you enquire of, one source says, Bhishmakmani > is quartz, Pulaka is garnet, Karkatena is Ortho clase Feldspar, > > The only orthoclase feldsparic source that is worth anything is Adularia, > and that is the Moonstone of course! > > lapis is rajavarta. > > Okay, this is not there in Garuda Purana, nor do any of the descriptions > fit. I need referencing from you, so I can finish off this part of the > identifications. > > Topaz is pushparaag. Pushparaag is different from > padmaraag. Probably your guess is correct becuase the description of > padmaraag in the garuda puran fits in with yours:rubies, sapphires > etc. Padmaraag is described as having a variety of hues ranging from > blood, red lotuses, vermillion and sometimes even a mixture of blood > and blue. Some of them have the colour of the eyes of the koel and > the sarus birds (go figure that one!). Pushparaag is undoubtedly > topaz although reading the description I cannot help but come to the > conclusion that pushparaag, padmaraag and indraneel all belong to the > sapphire family. Indraneel is described everywhere as the blue > sapphire and probably pushparaag is yellow sapphire, for the garuda > clearly says that these three gems belong to the same family. So > rather than topaz I kind of feel that yellow sapphire is being > referred to with respect to pushparaag. > > > Yes, there are many colours in the corundum family and alongside, in the > same pit, are also spinels. So the variations that are described there are > spinels, I am certain of that. The ones from the river have absolutely > everything. There is one especial one which looks like a mixture of light > honey and the transparency of pomegranate pips. Indranila is a collectable > gemstone, I would say it is Iolite. Fits the description. > Simply brilliant. So we agree. > > Karkatena is said to come in many colours: blood, honey, mango, > yellow, golden/fiery, blue and white. What stone do you think it is? > > > > As above, the findings were too small worth mentioning. But the Moonstone > with the bluish hue is the one that is most priced in the market. The Indian > deposits are mostly grey to blackish. > > Shishupal, along with glass, sphatik and girikaach are descrbed as > variants of vaidurjya or cat's eye. > > Yes, so it is from the chalcedony family then. > > Shishpal is described as being extremely light. I can't figure out lapis, > possibly it could be something called vidrum mani. > > Can you please give me the reference paragraph, so I can see how they have > described it. As far as I have gone through the pages quite thoroughly, and > nowhere is Lapis mentioned. > > As far as I know, lapis is blue...does it come in other colours as well? > > Not normally, no. The colour of commercial value if cobalt blue. The Italian > deposits have too much pyrite, hence, giving it a darkish (almost black) > look. > > Thank you so very much. This is simply wonderful! > > BTW, are you good in botany? That is my next task :-) > > > Regards, > > Sarbani > > > vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > Thanks, I knew you are the expert :-) > > > > The problem is, there isn't. From the descriptions of some of them, > the gem > > descriptions do not sound like the translated version. It's the > > technicalities that go with it. > > > > Excepting: Karketana. He does not translate it, but I take it that > it is > > chrysoberyl family. Many gems will fall in this category. > > Bhismamani: Which mani (gem) is this? > > Pulaka: Sunstone? > > Bloodstone : Translated without giving the name. > > Topaz: The description of the gem does not indicate that it is > Topaz. If it > > is padmaraga, then it falls in the corundum family (rubies, > sapphires etc) > > Lapis: One statement says... It has the colours of all gems > available in the > > earth, beginning from ruby etc. From green to red and so on. There > is no > > such existing Lapis in the trade. So I am not convinced that it > means > > Lapis. > > > > What are the gems: Sisupala, then it says glass crystals affected > by smoky > > colour (I need to know if it is glass or obsidian or smoky quartz > etc). > > > > Thanks so much. > > > > Love, > > Swee > > swee@b... > > > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ < http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> > > [sarbani@s...] > > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:05 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems-Sanjayji > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > Can you tell me what is the name used in Sanskrit in the garuda > puran > > for lapis lazuli? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> > wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Sanjayji, > > > > > > Thank you for clearing this. As for Shailesh, there's a very rare > > > (collectible) gemstone called morganite from the spathik family > > which was > > > prescribed for him. > > > > > > BTW, do you have a copy of the Garuda Purana (in sanskrit) with > > you? I need > > > to clear some points. There seems to be a grey area in the > > translations into > > > English, especially for Topaz (double refractive) and Lapis > Lazuli, > > as they > > > do not make sense. The translated version is too much of a mish > > mash there. > > > I will write you privately about this if this is okay with you. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Swee > > > swee@b... > > > > > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath [daivagyna@s...] > > > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:04 AM > > > vedic astrology > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear Swee, > > > > > > There are two people I have made the recommendation for and it is > > because of > > > PARIVARTANA - you and Sailesh Chaddha. Both have an exchange > > between venus > > > and Saturn with the latter getting exalted. So wearing of diamond > > has been > > > very good for you and will continue to be good without fail. > Diamond > > > combination with blue sapphire is said to be of immense benefit > for > > Taurus > > > and Libra Lagna. Problem with Sailesh Chart is that Saturn is in > MK > > avastha > > > and we have to wait for it to leave Taurus to give excellent > > results as he > > > uses the blue sapphire. Your dependance on saturn is minimal and > > instead > > > Venus is better to be strengthened. > > > > > > Strengthening planets in malefic houses or lordships should be > done > > with > > > caution. > > > > > > At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha, > > > I remain, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, > > India > > > Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; > > Personal Web: > > > http://srath.com > > > - > > > "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Monday, February 03, 2003 9:06 PM > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > Dear Gauranga Das, > > > > > > > > There must be an exception to the rule as in my case. Venus is > > duplicate > > > > yogi, in parivatana with exalted 10th. Excellent yoga for D- 10. > I > > used to > > > > wear several Diamonds in platinum. > > > > I asked Guruji how come my career shot up at such a young age > > with wearing > > > > Diamond (which he also recommends for me to wear again). I > notice > > my ND > > > of > > > > Capricorn is starting this April. So I have one of 2 main > > choices: My > > > > quadruple blue Aquamarine or my baguette Diamonds. I had not > been > > wearing > > > > any gemstones for a while and thought that I should wear my aqua > > ring > > > before > > > > my fall. It did bring almost immediate relief. The string of > > Pearls felt > > > > like they were suffocating me, so I took them off, excepting the > > bracelet > > > of > > > > Moonstones on my left hand which I have been wearing for a > number > > of years > > > . > > > > Yes, this is under control in terms of aspect from Saturn. (Low > > blood > > > > pressure suffered for years has ceased). > > > > Wearing the diamond bring me lots of sales. Aquamarine gives me > > good > > > > concentration. (cut from non dichroic crystal) Green tourmaline > > brought > > > lots > > > > of new contacts in the industry; so did the Rubellite. Citrine > > gives > > > immense > > > > calm during meditation. > > > > > > > > Here come the theory of treating like and like during their > > dasas. (as in > > > > homeopathy). If this is the case (with 4 recommendations and 4 > > successes > > > in > > > > ailments, but not enough to warrant a mention as yet), what is > the > > > caratage > > > > that will suffice? Garuda and Agni Puranas do not state the > > weights. > > > > > > > > > > > > (In case members here think that I switch gemstones all the > time, > > it is > > > not > > > > the case, and I have had these in my collection for many years.) > > > > > > > > Will appreciate more inputs. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Swee > > > > swee@b... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > . > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 font-family:Verdana">Jaya Jagannatha font-family:Verdana">Dear Sarbani, font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">Quartz and Rock crystal means exactly the same thing. Oh dear. Going through it over and over, for crystal, it probability of the meaning is that, gemstones from any other group of crystals. If you notice, there is one particular line that says: The stone is hard. Obsidian (Glass) has the hardness of 6, and they are classified as spurious crystals. The other one which I identified that loses its colour to air, is from the spodumene family. font-family:Verdana"> font-family:Verdana">I shall meditate on the rest. Thanks once again. font-family:Verdana"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Swee color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">http://www.brihaspati.net/ 12.0pt;color:blue;mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> -----Original Message----- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> [sarbani (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, February 07, 2003 7:53 PM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems-Swee Dear Swee, "Courier New";color:black"> I can give you the references for rajavarta, but unfortunately they are in Bengali. If you still want them, I would be only too happy to give them to you. In one of the astrological sources, sphatik is written to be quartz and the bhishmakmani as rock crystal. In GP,vaidurya is described in 1.73, Indraneel in 1.72, karkatena in 1.75, vidrum in 1.80 and rudhirakhya in 1.78. Best regards, Sarbani vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Sarbani, > Dear Swee, > > Jaya Jagannath. > > I know next to nothing about gems but can share some preliminaries > with you. Of the gems you enquire of, one source says, Bhishmakmani > is quartz, Pulaka is garnet, Karkatena is Ortho clase Feldspar, > > The only orthoclase feldsparic source that is worth anything is Adularia, > and that is the Moonstone of course! > > lapis is rajavarta. > > Okay, this is not there in Garuda Purana, nor do any of the descriptions > fit. I need referencing from you, so I can finish off this part of the > identifications. > > Topaz is pushparaag. Pushparaag is different from > padmaraag. Probably your guess is correct becuase the description of > padmaraag in the garuda puran fits in with yours:rubies, sapphires > etc. Padmaraag is described as having a variety of hues ranging from > blood, red lotuses, vermillion and sometimes even a mixture of blood > and blue. Some of them have the colour of the eyes of the koel and > the sarus birds (go figure that one!). Pushparaag is undoubtedly > topaz although reading the description I cannot help but come to the > conclusion that pushparaag, padmaraag and indraneel all belong to the > sapphire family. Indraneel is described everywhere as the blue > sapphire and probably pushparaag is yellow sapphire, for the garuda > clearly says that these three gems belong to the same family. So > rather than topaz I kind of feel that yellow sapphire is being > referred to with respect to pushparaag. > > > Yes, there are many colours in the corundum family and alongside, in the > same pit, are also spinels. So the variations that are described there are > spinels, I am certain of that. The ones from the river have absolutely > everything. There is one especial one which looks like a mixture of light > honey and the transparency of pomegranate pips. Indranila is a collectable > gemstone, I would say it is Iolite. Fits the description. > Simply brilliant. So we agree. > > Karkatena is said to come in many colours: blood, honey, mango, > yellow, golden/fiery, blue and white. What stone do you think it is? > > > > As above, the findings were too small worth mentioning. But the Moonstone > with the bluish hue is the one that is most priced in the market. The Indian > deposits are mostly grey to blackish. > > Shishupal, along with glass, sphatik and girikaach are descrbed as > variants of vaidurjya or cat's eye. > > Yes, so it is from the chalcedony family then. > > Shishpal is described as being extremely light. I can't figure out lapis, > possibly it could be something called vidrum mani. > > Can you please give me the reference paragraph, so I can see how they have > described it. As far as I have gone through the pages quite thoroughly, and > nowhere is Lapis mentioned. > > As far as I know, lapis is blue...does it come in other colours as well? > > Not normally, no. The colour of commercial value if cobalt blue. The Italian > deposits have too much pyrite, hence, giving it a darkish (almost black) > look. > > Thank you so very much. This is simply wonderful! > > BTW, are you good in botany? That is my next task :-) > > > Regards, > > Sarbani > > > vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > Thanks, I knew you are the expert :-) > > > > The problem is, there isn't. From the descriptions of some of them, > the gem > > descriptions do not sound like the translated version. It's the > > technicalities that go with it. > > > > Excepting: Karketana. He does not translate it, but I take it that > it is > > chrysoberyl family. Many gems will fall in this category. > > Bhismamani: Which mani (gem) is this? > > Pulaka: Sunstone? > > Bloodstone : Translated without giving the name. > > Topaz: The description of the gem does not indicate that it is > Topaz. If it > > is padmaraga, then it falls in the corundum family (rubies, > sapphires etc) > > Lapis: One statement says... It has the colours of all gems > available in the > > earth, beginning from ruby etc. From green to red and so on. There > is no > > such existing Lapis in the trade. So I am not convinced that it > means > > Lapis. > > > > What are the gems: Sisupala, then it says glass crystals affected > by smoky > > colour (I need to know if it is glass or obsidian or smoky quartz > etc). > > > > Thanks so much. > > > > Love, > > Swee > > swee@b... > > > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ < http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > > > > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> > > [sarbani@s...] > > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:05 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems-Sanjayji > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > Can you tell me what is the name used in Sanskrit in the garuda > puran > > for lapis lazuli? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> > wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Sanjayji, > > > > > > Thank you for clearing this. As for Shailesh, there's a very rare > > > (collectible) gemstone called morganite from the spathik family > > which was > > > prescribed for him. > > > > > > BTW, do you have a copy of the Garuda Purana (in sanskrit) with > > you? I need > > > to clear some points. There seems to be a grey area in the > > translations into > > > English, especially for Topaz (double refractive) and Lapis > Lazuli, > > as they > > > do not make sense. The translated version is too much of a mish > > mash there. > > > I will write you privately about this if this is okay with you. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Swee > > > swee@b... > > > > > > http://www.brihaspati.net/ > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath [daivagyna@s...] > > > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:04 AM > > > vedic astrology > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear Swee, > > > > > > There are two people I have made the recommendation for and it is > > because of > > > PARIVARTANA - you and Sailesh Chaddha. Both have an exchange > > between venus > > > and Saturn with the latter getting exalted. So wearing of diamond > > has been > > > very good for you and will continue to be good without fail. > Diamond > > > combination with blue sapphire is said to be of immense benefit > for > > Taurus > > > and Libra Lagna. Problem with Sailesh Chart is that Saturn is in > MK > > avastha > > > and we have to wait for it to leave Taurus to give excellent > > results as he > > > uses the blue sapphire. Your dependance on saturn is minimal and > > instead > > > Venus is better to be strengthened. > > > > > > Strengthening planets in malefic houses or lordships should be > done > > with > > > caution. > > > > > > At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha, > > > I remain, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, > > India > > > Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; > > Personal Web: > > > http://srath.com > > > - > > > "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> > > > <vedic astrology> > > > Monday, February 03, 2003 9:06 PM > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > Dear Gauranga Das, > > > > > > > > There must be an exception to the rule as in my case. Venus is > > duplicate > > > > yogi, in parivatana with exalted 10th. Excellent yoga for D- 10. > I > > used to > > > > wear several Diamonds in platinum. > > > > I asked Guruji how come my career shot up at such a young age > > with wearing > > > > Diamond (which he also recommends for me to wear again). I > notice > > my ND > > > of > > > > Capricorn is starting this April. So I have one of 2 main > > choices: My > > > > quadruple blue Aquamarine or my baguette Diamonds. I had not > been > > wearing > > > > any gemstones for a while and thought that I should wear my aqua > > ring > > > before > > > > my fall. It did bring almost immediate relief. The string of > > Pearls felt > > > > like they were suffocating me, so I took them off, excepting the > > bracelet > > > of > > > > Moonstones on my left hand which I have been wearing for a > number > > of years > > > . > > > > Yes, this is under control in terms of aspect from Saturn. (Low > > blood > > > > pressure suffered for years has ceased). > > > > Wearing the diamond bring me lots of sales. Aquamarine gives me > > good > > > > concentration. (cut from non dichroic crystal) Green tourmaline > > brought > > > lots > > > > of new contacts in the industry; so did the Rubellite. Citrine > > gives > > > immense > > > > calm during meditation. > > > > > > > > Here come the theory of treating like and like during their > > dasas. (as in > > > > homeopathy). If this is the case (with 4 recommendations and 4 > > successes > > > in > > > > ailments, but not enough to warrant a mention as yet), what is > the > > > caratage > > > > that will suffice? Garuda and Agni Puranas do not state the > > weights. > > > > > > > > > > > > (In case members here think that I switch gemstones all the > time, > > it is > > > not > > > > the case, and I have had these in my collection for many years.) > > > > > > > > Will appreciate more inputs. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Swee > > > > swee@b... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Terms of Service > > .. > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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