Vaidurya: Lapis Lazuli?- Ramadas/Sarbani

February 6, 2003

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font-family:Verdana">Dear Ramadas and Sarbani,

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LAJAVARTA: Is this the original text in GP

I.73?

Some additions and corrections below on

Lapis Lazuli:

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Specific gravity: 2-4 to 2.9 (commercial

value 2.6-2.99)

R.I. 1.50

Mohs’ scale: 5 – 6 (softer than glass)

Considered a rock.

It is formed by metamorphic action on

impure limestone through contact with intrusive igneous rocks, causing a

re-crystallization to marble with the formation of a number of new minerals.

Several minerals in particular Hauyne, nosean, sodalite and lazurite belong to

the cubic system. (It is easily decomposed by hydrochloric acid, giving off the

obnoxious smell of hydrogen sulphide (rotten eggs).

Occurrences: (ref. 5th edition

“Gems”-R.Webster)

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The most famous locality is in Badakshan

district of the mountainous NE part of Afghanistan. The mine having been

intermittently worked for 6,000 years. However, due to its remoteness, the

mines at Sar-e-Sang on the upper reaches of Kakcha river (tributary of Oxus),

lapis are found in black and white limestone. The Afghani mines are worked in a

primitive manner. First, the rock is heated and then quenched with water in

order to obtain sizeable +/- 5kg pieces. (the gem is heated on site.)

In Syan mountains, light blue pieces are

found on the Slyudyanka river, flowing into the south end of Lake Baikal

bordering Mongolia.

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A paler colour to this is mined in Chile in the Chilean Andes.

High in the Sawach Range in Italy. Material is almost black with intense blue,

but heavily charged with pyrite, but lacks texture and hardness.

In San Antonio Peak in the San Gabriel

mountains in California; also in San Bernadino mountains. North of the Labrador

Peninsular-Canada, the porous blue grey splotched with bright blue and white

and inclusions of pyrite, are also found. Mogok region in Myanmar (famous for

finest pigeon’s blood rubies), Lobito Bay in Angola (lots of diamonds found

here), Bhutan-Pakistan etc.

Imitations and treatments:

Some lapis on the market are dyed and this colour

comes off with a swap of amyl acetate (nail varnish remover).

Some go as far as bonding them with

plastic. Apply with hot needle to ascertain this. The recent imitation is

barium sulphate with pyrite, bonded with polymer, while another imitation is

dyed calcite marble.

Some of the lapis beads are heated in

molten paraffin wax which enhances the colour after a light polishing.

(Thanks for reminding me to update data on

the website

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Vaidurya?:

GP 1.73.5 Emitting the fine colours of the

of the clouds of rainy season, (suggests skies of grey; so grey colour) “Lapis

Lazuli” gems shoot off flames (reddish hue) as it were in tune with the shrill

cry of the demon.

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Next: GP I.73.6, it states the colours of

all gems available on the earth beginning from Ruby. (suggesting the colours of

the rainbow)

GP1.73.7 The chief of them resembles the

neck of a peacock OR that which has the colour of the leaf of bamboo (suggests

green here). “Lapis Lazuli” gems that have

the colour of the outer feathers of the Casa (Blue Jay) bird, are NOT approved

of by the experts in technical literature.

GP1.73.13 An intelligent man can easily see

the difference. A universal characteristic of alien ness is glossy surface,

lightness (specific gravity) and softness to touch (mohs’ scale).

Lapis: The Russian presence has too much of

the calcite with it, and therefore not useable. However, it does have

striations of green. The Chilean deposits are used for ornaments.

Only Afghani ones are used. [GP 1.73.3] Not

far from the lofty Vaidura mountain (which mountain is this?) and very near the

frontiers of Kamabhutika (this place?) can be found the mines of lapis lazuli

color:blue">¹ gems.

Analysis: With reference to 1.73.13: Sounds

like chalcedony family (Mohs’ scale 6.5-7; Specific gravity is 2.58-2.64) with

all the hues with different presence and deposits.

Chalcedony Family

I will sate 2 here below:

Green (chrysoprase)

Agate; heating may change brown to red).

Natural colours are green, yellow, red, reddish brown, white and bluish-white

among others.

The description on all the above fits most

of the criteria. What do you think?

It is easier for me to decipher what

gemstone it really is, if these places (Kamabhutika, Vaidura mountains) are

identified.

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¹Lapis Lazuli: GP says it is Vaidurya and

you say LAJAVARTA. So who is right?

BTW, why would birth dates with 9 be

accident prone; are these the people born on 9th, 18 and 27th??

Or you added all numbers e.g., birth date 1.1.1996?

In jyotish, the 9th house is

Guru’s house, so the number 9 creating havoc does not make sense.

I always know Red Coral is good for 6th

house and indications, including accidents. So which planet would you assign

Lapis to? VRA suggests this be worn by people with debilitated Saturn. Yes, I

will go with that, pyrite (Mars), calcite (bones; Saturn) Lazurite (blue

colour; Saturn). It would also mean formation of gall stones etc., can be

curtailed.

Your descriptions seem to akin this

particular gemstone to Venus. (which may not be Lapis in the first place).

Best wishes,

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Ramadas Rao

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Wednesday, February 05, 2003

7:34 AM

To:

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Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Suitable Gems-Sanjayji

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OM KLEEM

KRISHNAAYA NAMAH

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Dear Sarbani,

Lapis Lazuli is also called as

LAJAVARTA.This is a opaque blue coloured Upa Ratna.If it is heated it will lose

its colour.In olden days people used to make utenils and beautiful plates

also.Normally this kind of stone is available in Afaghanistan,Saiberia and

Chile.Its specific gravity is 3.It is used as a substitute for Blue Saphire.

It is particularly favourable for ladies

engaged in music,art,dance ,drama etc.Persons using this gem will be known by

their powers of love and affection and can generally win over others through

the powers of love.They would find that they can transmit love to others with

ease and confidence. The ancient people used this gem because of its

healing power.It will protect the wearer from melancholoy and depressing

outlook and from intermittent fevers and eye infections.This gem is good for

general prosperity and happiness.It protects the wearer from dangers of any

kind.The wearer will acquire and build up financial reserves.It heals all sorts

of liver and stomach problems.But this gem can not be used by a diabetic

patient. or those who have extra fat in their body.Those who wear this gem will

be considered most fortunate and blessed by Godess Bhagavati.Such persons will

never be found to be wanting in money or love.It safe gaurds against the

adverse Shani.This gen can also be used by those who have their birth dates

with No.9 who are normally accident prone.

I hope this helps.

With best regards,

Ramadas Rao.

font-style:italic">"Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org>"

<sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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Can you tell me what is the name used in Sanskrit in the garuda puran

for lapis lazuli?

Thanks,

Sarbani

vedic astrology, "Swee Chan"

<swee@c...> wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Sanjayji,

>

> Thank you for clearing this. As for Shailesh, there's a very rare

> (collectible) gemstone called morganite from the spathik family

which was

> prescribed for him.

>

> BTW, do you have a copy of the Garuda Purana (in sanskrit) with

you? I need

> to clear some points. There seems to be a grey area in the

translations into

> English, especially for Topaz (double refractive) and Lapis Lazuli,

as they

> do not make sense. The translated version is too much of a mish

mash there.

> I will write you privately about this if this is okay with you.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Swee

> swee@b...

>

> http://www.brihaspati.net/

>

> Sanjay Rath [daivagyna@s...]

> Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:04 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems

>

> Om Gurave Namah

> Dear Swee,

>

> There are two people I have made the recommendation for and it is

because of

> PARIVARTANA - you and Sailesh Chaddha. Both have an exchange

between venus

> and Saturn with the latter getting exalted. So wearing of diamond

has been

> very good for you and will continue to be good without fail. Diamond

> combination with blue sapphire is said to be of immense benefit for

Taurus

> and Libra Lagna. Problem with Sailesh Chart is that Saturn is in MK

avastha

> and we have to wait for it to leav! e Taurus to give excellent

results as he

> uses the blue sapphire. Your dependance on saturn is minimal and

instead

> Venus is better to be strengthened.

>

> Strengthening planets in malefic houses or lordships should be done

with

> caution.

>

> At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,

> I remain,

> Sanjay Rath

> Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091,

India

> Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org;

Personal Web:

> http://srath.com

> -

> "Swee Chan" <swee@c...>

> <vedic astrology>

> Monday, February 03, 2003 9:06 PM

> RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems

>

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Gauranga Das,

> >

> > There must be an exception to the rule as in my case. Venus is

duplicate

> > yogi, in parivatana with exalted 10th. Excellent yoga for D-10. I

used to

> > wear several Diamonds in platinum.

> > I asked Guruji how come my career shot up at such a young age

with wearing

> > Diamond (which he also recommends for me to wear again). I notice

my ND

> of

> > Capricorn is starting this April. So I have one of 2 main

choices: My

> > quadruple blue Aquamarine or my baguette Diamonds. I had not been

wearing

> > any gemstones for a while and thought that I should wear my aqua

ring

> before

> > my fall. It did bring almost immediate relief. The string of

Pearls felt

> > like they were suffocating me, so I took them off, excepting the

bracelet

> of

> > Moonstones on my left hand which I have been wearing for a number

of years

> .

> > Yes, this is under con! trol in terms of aspect from Saturn. (Low

blood

> > pressure suffered for years has ceased).

> > Wearing the diamond bring me lots of sales. Aquamarine gives me

good

> > concentration. (cut from non dichroic crystal) Green tourmaline

brought

> lots

> > of new contacts in the industry; so did the Rubellite. Citrine

gives

> immense

> > calm during meditation.

> >

> > Here come the theory of treating like and like during their

dasas. (as in

> > homeopathy). If this is the case (with 4 recommendations and 4

successes

> in

> > ailments, but not enough to warrant a mention as yet), what is

the

> caratage

> > that will suffice? Garuda and Agni Puranas do not state the

weights.

> >

> > (In case members here think that I switch gemstones all the time,

it is

> not

> > the case, and I have had these in my collection for many years.)

> >

> > Will appreciate more inputs.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Swee

> > swee@b...

> >

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February 6, 2003

Dear Swee,

I have not seen the term lajavarta or rajavarta mentioned in GP. The

translation you give of vaidurya sounds a bit distorted. In 1.73,

which you talk about,vaidurya is described, as hailing from the peaks

of the Vidura mountains situated on the extreme boundaries of

Kamabhutika.The gem was created by the loud sound/scream (ninad)

emanted by Balasura. The colour of the gem is like monsoon clouds,

glowing like a spark of fire and many hued. Vaidurya imitates and

takes on the beauty of all other gems available under the earth, like

padmaraag. It is superior among all gems. It has a distinct hue like

the peacock neck and is bright like the bamboo leaves. I had already

mentioned to you earlier that glass, shishupal, sphatik and girikach

are mentioned as variants of vaidurya. These variant also have a lot

of varieties. Now, the colour of monsoon clouds seems like cats eye

and peacock neck bit, more like lapis. So how do you determine which

is vaidurya? There are some other gems mentioned like tailasphatik

and rudhirakhya, the description of which fit cat's eye. But since I

would not know the gelogical specifications of the gems I cannot say

for sure.

Best regards,

Sarbani

vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Ramadas and Sarbani,

>

> LAJAVARTA: Is this the original text in GP I.73?

> Some additions and corrections below on Lapis Lazuli:

> Specific gravity: 2-4 to 2.9 (commercial value 2.6-2.99)

> R.I. 1.50

> Mohs' scale: 5 – 6 (softer than glass)

>

> Considered a rock.

> It is formed by metamorphic action on impure limestone through

contact with

> intrusive igneous rocks, causing a re-crystallization to marble

with the

> formation of a number of new minerals. Several minerals in

particular

> Hauyne, nosean, sodalite and lazurite belong to the cubic system.

(It is

> easily decomposed by hydrochloric acid, giving off the obnoxious

smell of

> hydrogen sulphide (rotten eggs).

>

> Occurrences: (ref. 5th edition "Gems"-R.Webster)

> The most famous locality is in Badakshan district of the

mountainous NE part

> of Afghanistan. The mine having been intermittently worked for

6,000 years.

> However, due to its remoteness, the mines at Sar-e-Sang on the

upper reaches

> of Kakcha river (tributary of Oxus), lapis are found in black and

white

> limestone. The Afghani mines are worked in a primitive manner.

First, the

> rock is heated and then quenched with water in order to obtain

sizeable +/-

> 5kg pieces. (the gem is heated on site.)

> In Syan mountains, light blue pieces are found on the Slyudyanka

river,

> flowing into the south end of Lake Baikal bordering Mongolia.

> A paler colour to this is mined in Chile in the Chilean Andes.

High in the

> Sawach Range in Italy. Material is almost black with intense blue,

but

> heavily charged with pyrite, but lacks texture and hardness.

> In San Antonio Peak in the San Gabriel mountains in California;

also in San

> Bernadino mountains. North of the Labrador Peninsular-Canada, the

porous

> blue grey splotched with bright blue and white and inclusions of

pyrite, are

> also found. Mogok region in Myanmar (famous for finest pigeon's

blood

> rubies), Lobito Bay in Angola (lots of diamonds found here), Bhutan-

Pakistan

> etc.

>

> Imitations and treatments:

> Some lapis on the market are dyed and this colour comes off with a

swap of

> amyl acetate (nail varnish remover).

> Some go as far as bonding them with plastic. Apply with hot needle

to

> ascertain this. The recent imitation is barium sulphate with

pyrite, bonded

> with polymer, while another imitation is dyed calcite marble.

> Some of the lapis beads are heated in molten paraffin wax which

enhances the

> colour after a light polishing.

> (Thanks for reminding me to update data on the website :-))

> ---

>

> Vaidurya?:

> GP 1.73.5 Emitting the fine colours of the of the clouds of rainy

season,

> (suggests skies of grey; so grey colour) "Lapis Lazuli" gems shoot

off

> flames (reddish hue) as it were in tune with the shrill cry of the

demon.

> Next: GP I.73.6, it states the colours of all gems available on the

earth

> beginning from Ruby. (suggesting the colours of the rainbow)

> GP1.73.7 The chief of them resembles the neck of a peacock OR that

which has

> the colour of the leaf of bamboo (suggests green here). "Lapis

Lazuli" gems

> that have the colour of the outer feathers of the Casa (Blue Jay)

bird, are

> NOT approved of by the experts in technical literature.

> GP1.73.13 An intelligent man can easily see the difference. A

universal

> characteristic of alien ness is glossy surface, lightness (specific

gravity)

> and softness to touch (mohs' scale).

> Lapis: The Russian presence has too much of the calcite with it, and

> therefore not useable. However, it does have striations of green.

The

> Chilean deposits are used for ornaments.

> Only Afghani ones are used. [GP 1.73.3] Not far from the lofty

Vaidura

> mountain (which mountain is this?) and very near the frontiers of

> Kamabhutika (this place?) can be found the mines of lapis lazuli¹

gems.

>

> Analysis: With reference to 1.73.13: Sounds like chalcedony family

(Mohs'

> scale 6.5-7; Specific gravity is 2.58-2.64) with all the hues with

different

> presence and deposits.

>

> Chalcedony Family

> I will sate 2 here below:

> Green (chrysoprase)

> Agate; heating may change brown to red). Natural colours are green,

yellow,

> red, reddish brown, white and bluish-white among others.

> The description on all the above fits most of the criteria. What do

you

> think?

>

> It is easier for me to decipher what gemstone it really is, if

these places

> (Kamabhutika, Vaidura mountains) are identified.

> ---

> ¹Lapis Lazuli: GP says it is Vaidurya and you say LAJAVARTA. So who

is

> right?

>

> BTW, why would birth dates with 9 be accident prone; are these the

people

> born on 9th, 18 and 27th?? Or you added all numbers e.g., birth date

> 1.1.1996?

> In jyotish, the 9th house is Guru's house, so the number 9 creating

havoc

> does not make sense.

> I always know Red Coral is good for 6th house and indications,

including

> accidents. So which planet would you assign Lapis to? VRA suggests

this be

> worn by people with debilitated Saturn. Yes, I will go with that,

pyrite

> (Mars), calcite (bones; Saturn) Lazurite (blue colour; Saturn). It

would

> also mean formation of gall stones etc., can be curtailed.

> Your descriptions seem to akin this particular gemstone to Venus.

(which may

> not be Lapis in the first place).

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Swee

> swee@b...

>

> http://www.brihaspati.net/ <http://www.brihaspati.net/>

>

> Ramadas Rao [ramadasrao]

> Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:34 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems-Sanjayji

>

> OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH

> Dear Sarbani,

> Lapis Lazuli is also called as LAJAVARTA.This is a opaque blue

coloured Upa

> Ratna.If it is heated it will lose its colour.In olden days people

used to

> make utenils and beautiful plates also.Normally this kind of stone

is

> available in Afaghanistan,Saiberia and Chile.Its specific gravity

is 3.It is

> used as a substitute for Blue Saphire.

> It is particularly favourable for ladies engaged in music,art,dance

,drama

> etc.Persons using this gem will be known by their powers of love and

> affection and can generally win over others through the powers of

love.They

> would find that they can transmit love to others with ease and

confidence.

> The ancient people used this gem because of its healing power.It

will

> protect the wearer from melancholoy and depressing outlook and from

> intermittent fevers and eye infections.This gem is good for general

> prosperity and happiness.It protects the wearer from dangers of any

kind.The

> wearer will acquire and build up financial reserves.It heals all

sorts of

> liver and stomach problems.But this gem can not be used by a

diabetic

> patient. or those who have extra fat in their body.Those who wear

this gem

> will be considered most fortunate and blessed by Godess

Bhagavati.Such

> persons will never be found to be wanting in money or love.It safe

gaurds

> against the adverse Shani.This gen can also be used by those who

have their

> birth dates with No.9 who are normally accident prone.

> I hope this helps.

> With best regards,

> Ramadas Rao.

> "Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...>" <sarbani@s...>

> wrote:

> Dear Swee,

>

> Can you tell me what is the name used in Sanskrit in the garuda

puran

> for lapis lazuli?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sarbani

>

> vedic astrology, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...>

wrote:

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Sanjayji,

> >

> > Thank you for clearing this. As for Shailesh, there's a very rare

> > (collectible) gemstone called morganite from the spathik family

> which was

> > prescribed for him.

> >

> > BTW, do you have a copy of the Garuda Purana (in sanskrit) with

> you? I need

> > to clear some points. There seems to be a grey area in the

> translations into

> > English, especially for Topaz (double refractive) and Lapis

Lazuli,

> as they

> > do not make sense. The translated version is too much of a mish

> mash there.

> > I will write you privately about this if this is okay with you.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Swee

> > swee@b...

> >

> > http://www.brihaspati.net/

> >

> > Sanjay Rath [daivagyna@s...]

> > Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:04 AM

> > vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> > Dear Swee,

> >

> > There are two people I have made the recommendation for and it is

> because of

> > PARIVARTANA - you and Sailesh Chaddha. Both have an exchange

> between venus

> > and Saturn with the latter getting exalted. So wearing of diamond

> has been

> > very good for you and will continue to be good without fail.

Diamond

> > combination with blue sapphire is said to be of immense benefit

for

> Taurus

> > and Libra Lagna. Problem with Sailesh Chart is that Saturn is in

MK

> avastha

> > and we have to wait for it to leav! e Taurus to give excellent

> results as he

> > uses the blue sapphire. Your dependance on saturn is minimal and

> instead

> > Venus is better to be strengthened.

> >

> > Strengthening planets in malefic houses or lordships should be

done

> with

> > caution.

> >

> > At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,

> > I remain,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > Mail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091,

> India

> > Tel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org;

> <http://.org;/>

> Personal Web:

> > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/>

> > -

> > "Swee Chan" <swee@c...>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Monday, February 03, 2003 9:06 PM

> > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems

> >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > >

> > > Dear Gauranga Das,

> > >

> > > There must be an exception to the rule as in my case. Venus is

> duplicate

> > > yogi, in parivatana with exalted 10th. Excellent yoga for D-10.

I

> used to

> > > wear several Diamonds in platinum.

> > > I asked Guruji how come my career shot up at such a young age

> with wearing

> > > Diamond (which he also recommends for me to wear again). I

notice

> my ND

> > of

> > > Capricorn is starting this April. So I have one of 2 main

> choices: My

> > > quadruple blue Aquamarine or my baguette Diamonds. I had not

been

> wearing

> > > any gemstones for a while and thought that I should wear my aqua

> ring

> > before

> > > my fall. It did bring almost immediate relief. The string of

> Pearls felt

> > > like they were suffocating me, so I took them off, excepting the

> bracelet

> > of

> > > Moonstones on my left hand which I have been wearing for a

number

> of years

> > .

> > > Yes, this is under con! trol in terms of aspect from Saturn.

(Low

> blood

> > > pressure suffered for years has ceased).

> > > Wearing the diamond bring me lots of sales. Aquamarine gives me

> good

> > > concentration. (cut from non dichroic crystal) Green tourmaline

> brought

> > lots

> > > of new contacts in the industry; so did the Rubellite. Citrine

> gives

> > immense

> > > calm during meditation.

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> > > Here come the theory of treating like and like during their

> dasas. (as in

> > > homeopathy). If this is the case (with 4 recommendations and 4

> successes

> > in

> > > ailments, but not enough to warrant a mention as yet), what is

the

> > caratage

> > > that will suffice? Garuda and Agni Puranas do not state the

> weights.

> > >

> > > (In case members here think that I switch gemstones all the

time,

> it is

> > not

> > > the case, and I have had these in my collection for many years.)

> > >

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> > > Best regards,

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February 7, 2003

Dear Swee,

The informations which I furnished is from a very old book on Gems which is in

Kannada Language and is written by Veda Bhushana Sri Basavayya Shastri of

Herematt in Karnataka State.Also I have checked with other books on Gems which

is availble in India and they also tell the same information.The hardness of

Lapis is 5-5.5 and its specific gravity is between 2.7 and 2.9.Number 9 which I

wrote is not by adding all the date,month and year.It is just date of birth

9/18/27 only.The theory here lies if anything is hot we have to cool it,so as

no.9 ruled by Kuja is hot and can be controlled by cold gem like Lapis or blue

saphire which is called Indra Neela.

Now regarding Vaidurya,the information on the website you gave is also

wrong.Vaidurya is Ketu's gem stone and it is also called as

Bidalaaksha,Abhraroha,Rashtuka,Megha Kharankura,Balasurya and Vidura Ratna.In

english it is called as Cat's Eye.In Hindi,it is called as Lahasunia.In this

there are 2 types.One is Vaidhurya and the other one is Hema Vaidhurya which is

called as Chrysoberyl.This is slightly yellow or yellowish green coloured.Normal

Vaidurya is whitish black coloured with white thread in the middle and both

sides look like 2 sides of globe.In that Kanaka Kheta vaidutrya looks just like

cat's eye and is of superiour quality.Dhoomra Kheta is like smoky colour with

white line in the middle.Krishna Kheta vaidurya is slight blackish in clour

with white thread like line in the middle.

Still there are so many informations are availble in this category.

I hope this helps you,

With best regards,

Ramadas Rao.

Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Ramadas and Sarbani,

LAJAVARTA: Is this the original text in GP I.73?

Some additions and corrections below on Lapis Lazuli:

Specific gravity: 2-4 to 2.9 (commercial value 2.6-2.99)

R.I. 1.50

Mohs’ scale: 5 – 6 (softer than glass)

Considered a rock.

It is formed by metamorphic action on impure limestone through contact with

intrusive igneous rocks, causing a re-crystallization to marble with the

formation of a number of new minerals. Several minerals in particular Hauyne,

nosean, sodalite and lazurite belong to the cubic system. (It is easily

decomposed by hydrochloric acid, giving off the obnoxious smell of hydrogen

sulphide (rotten eggs).

Occurrences: (ref. 5th edition “Gems”-R.Webster)

The most famous locality is in Badakshan district of the mountainous NE part of

Afghanistan. The mine having been intermittently worked for 6,000 years.

However, due to its remoteness, the mines at Sar-e-Sang on the upper reaches of

Kakcha river (tributary of Oxus), lapis are found in black and white limestone.

The Afghani mines are worked in a primitive manner. First, the rock is heated

and then quenched with water in order to obtain sizeable +/- 5kg pieces. (the

gem is heated on site.)

In Syan mountains, light blue pieces are found on the Slyudyanka river, flowing

into the south end of Lake Baikal bordering Mongolia.

A paler colour to this is mined in Chile in the Chilean Andes. High in the

Sawach Range in Italy. Material is almost black with intense blue, but heavily

charged with pyrite, but lacks texture and hardness.

In San Antonio Peak in the San Gabriel mountains in California; also in San

Bernadino mountains. North of the Labrador Peninsular-Canada, the porous blue

grey splotched with bright blue and white and inclusions of pyrite, are also

found. Mogok region in Myanmar (famous for finest pigeon’s blood rubies),

Lobito Bay in Angola (lots of diamonds found here), Bhutan-Pakistan etc.

Imitations and treatments:

Some lapis on the market are dyed and this colour comes off with a swap of amyl

acetate (nail varnish remover).

Some go as far as bonding them with plastic. Apply with hot needle to ascertain

this. The recent imitation is barium sulphate with pyrite, bonded with polymer,

while another imitation is dyed calcite marble.

Some of the lapis beads are heated in molten paraffin wax which enhances the

colour after a light polishing.

(Thanks for reminding me to update data on the website J)

Vaidurya?:

GP 1.73.5 Emitting the fine colours of the of the clouds of rainy season,

(suggests skies of grey; so grey colour) “Lapis Lazuli” gems shoot off flames

(reddish hue) as it were in tune with the shrill cry of the demon.

Next: GP I.73.6, it states the colours of all gems available on the earth

beginning from Ruby. (suggesting the colours of the rainbow)

GP1.73.7 The chief of them resembles the neck of a peacock OR that which has the

colour of the leaf of bamboo (suggests green here). “Lapis Lazuli” gems that

have the colour of the outer feathers of the Casa (Blue Jay) bird, are NOT

approved of by the experts in technical literature.

GP1.73.13 An intelligent man can easily see the difference. A universal

characteristic of alien ness is glossy surface, lightness (specific gravity)

and softness to touch (mohs’ scale).

Lapis: The Russian presence has too much of the calcite with it, and therefore

not useable. However, it does have striations of green. The Chilean deposits

are used for ornaments.

Only Afghani ones are used. [GP 1.73.3] Not far from the lofty Vaidura mountain

(which mountain is this?) and very near the frontiers of Kamabhutika (this

place?) can be found the mines of lapis lazuli¹ gems.

Analysis: With reference to 1.73.13: Sounds like chalcedony family (Mohs’ scale

6.5-7; Specific gravity is 2.58-2.64) with all the hues with different presence

and deposits.

Chalcedony Family

I will sate 2 here below:

Green (chrysoprase)

Agate; heating may change brown to red). Natural colours are green, yellow, red,

reddish brown, white and bluish-white among others.

The description on all the above fits most of the criteria. What do you think?

It is easier for me to decipher what gemstone it really is, if these places

(Kamabhutika, Vaidura mountains) are identified.

¹Lapis Lazuli: GP says it is Vaidurya and you say LAJAVARTA. So who is right?

BTW, why would birth dates with 9 be accident prone; are these the people born

on 9th, 18 and 27th?? Or you added all numbers e.g., birth date 1.1.1996?

In jyotish, the 9th house is Guru’s house, so the number 9 creating havoc does not make sense.

I always know Red Coral is good for 6th house and indications, including

accidents. So which planet would you assign Lapis to? VRA suggests this be worn

by people with debilitated Saturn. Yes, I will go with that, pyrite (Mars),

calcite (bones; Saturn) Lazurite (blue colour; Saturn). It would also mean

formation of gall stones etc., can be curtailed.

Your descriptions seem to akin this particular gemstone to Venus. (which may not

be Lapis in the first place).

Best wishes,

Swee

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Ramadas Rao [ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in]Sent:

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:34 AMvedic astrologySubject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems-Sanjayji

OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH

Dear Sarbani,

Lapis Lazuli is also called as LAJAVARTA.This is a opaque blue coloured Upa

Ratna.If it is heated it will lose its colour.In olden days people used to make

utenils and beautiful plates also.Normally this kind of stone is available in

Afaghanistan,Saiberia and Chile.Its specific gravity is 3.It is used as a

substitute for Blue Saphire.

It is particularly favourable for ladies engaged in music,art,dance ,drama

etc.Persons using this gem will be known by their powers of love and affection

and can generally win over others through the powers of love.They would find

that they can transmit love to others with ease and confidence. The ancient

people used this gem because of its healing power.It will protect the wearer

from melancholoy and depressing outlook and from intermittent fevers and eye

infections.This gem is good for general prosperity and happiness.It protects

the wearer from dangers of any kind.The wearer will acquire and build up

financial reserves.It heals all sorts of liver and stomach problems.But this

gem can not be used by a diabetic patient. or those who have extra fat in their

body.Those who wear this gem will be considered most fortunate and blessed by

Godess Bhagavati.Such persons will never be found to be wanting in money or

love.It safe gaurds against the adverse Shani.This gen can also be used by

those who have their birth dates with No.9 who are normally accident prone.

I hope this helps.

With best regards,

Ramadas Rao.

"Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org>" <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

Dear Swee,Can you tell me what is the name used in Sanskrit in the garuda puran

for lapis lazuli?Thanks,Sarbanivedic astrology, "Swee

Chan" <swee@c...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Sanjayji,> > Thank you for

clearing this. As for Shailesh, there's a very rare> (collectible) gemstone

called morganite from the spathik family which was> prescribed for him.> > BTW,

do you have a copy of the Garuda Purana (in sanskrit) with you? I need> to clear

some points. There seems to be a grey area in the translations into> English,

especially for Topaz (double refractive) and Lapis Lazuli, as they> do not make

sense. The translated version is too much of a mish mash there.> I will write

you privately about this if this is okay with you.> > Best regards,> > Swee>

swee@b...> > http://www.brihaspati.net/> > >

Sanjay Rath [daivagyna@s...]> Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:04 AM>

vedic astrology> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable

Gems> > > Om Gurave Namah> Dear Swee,> > There are two people I have made the

recommendation for and it is because of> PARIVARTANA - you and Sailesh Chaddha.

Both have an exchange between venus> and Saturn with the latter getting exalted.

So wearing of diamond has been> very good for you and will continue to be good

without fail. Diamond> combination with blue sapphire is said to be of immense

benefit for Taurus> and Libra Lagna. Problem with Sailesh Chart is that Saturn

is in MK avastha> and we have to wait for it to leav! e Taurus to give

excellent results as he> uses the blue sapphire. Your dependance on saturn is

minimal and instead> Venus is better to be strengthened.> > Strengthening

planets in malefic houses or lordships should be done with> caution.> > At the

feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,> I remain,> Sanjay Rath> Mail: 71 Vasant

Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, India> Tel: +91-11-2713201;

SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web:> http://srath.com> -----

Original Message -----> "Swee Chan" <swee@c...>> To:

<vedic astrology>> Monday, February 03, 2003 9:06 PM>

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Suitable Gems> > > > Jaya Jagannatha> >> >

Dear Gauranga Das,> >> > There must be an exception to the rule as in my case.

Venus is duplicate> > yogi, in parivatana with exalted 10th. Excellent yoga for

D-10. I used to> > wear several Diamonds in platinum.> > I asked Guruji how

come my career shot up at such a young age with wearing> > Diamond (which he

also recommends for me to wear again). I notice my ND> of> > Capricorn is

starting this April. So I have one of 2 main choices: My> > quadruple blue

Aquamarine or my baguette Diamonds. I had not been wearing> > any gemstones for

a while and thought that I should wear my aqua ring> before> > my fall. It did

bring almost immediate relief. The string of Pearls felt> > like they were

suffocating me, so I took them off, excepting the bracelet> of> > Moonstones on

my left hand which I have been wearing for a number of years> .> > Yes, this is

under con! trol in terms of aspect from Saturn. (Low blood> > pressure suffered

for years has ceased).> > Wearing the diamond bring me lots of sales. Aquamarine

gives me good> > concentration. (cut from non dichroic crystal) Green tourmaline

brought> lots> > of new contacts in the industry; so did the Rubellite. Citrine

gives> immense> > calm during meditation.> >> > Here come the theory of

treating like and like during their dasas. (as in> > homeopathy). If this is

the case (with 4 recommendations and 4 successes> in> > ailments, but not

enough to warrant a mention as yet), what is the> caratage> > that will

suffice? Garuda and Agni Puranas do not state the weights.> >> >> > (In case

members here think that I switch gemstones all the time, it is> not> > the

case, and I have had these in my collection for many years.)> >> > Will

appreciate more inputs.> >> > Best regards,> > Swee> > swee@b...> >> > > > >

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