Small clarification on Ishta Devata calculation required

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hamsa om soham

 

Dear Sundeep,

 

I am not very fond of the word "rules".

 

The planets in the 12th house from karakamsha can lead us to our ishta-devata

while the 12th lord from karakamsha generally shows the ishta-devata graha

itself. However, before prescribing the deity, the relative strength of these

planets should be considered (contrary to what you have written, a graha which

is debilitated in the 12th from karakamsha is probably the strongest). In

addition, we should judge and see whether or not the native will actually pray

to this deity and get any results. If the person is a strict Vaishnavaite, we

should prescribe a Vaishnavaite form (Rama, Krishna ... )

 

If a Jyotishi prescribes some mantra, and the querist does not do the japa

faithfully, the querist may simply conclude that the mantra is ineffective and

put it aside. So, it is the Jyotishi's job to carefully select the mantra, and

to prescribe the mantra at a time when the querist is likely to follow the

instructions. If the native discards a mantra as ineffective, part of the blame

rests on the Jyotishi.

 

In the case below, karakamsha is Capricorn with rasi drishti from Surya and

Ketu. The lord Saturn signifies Narayana, Surya signifies the Bhagavad-Gita and

Ketu signifies meditation. Thus _one_ option is for the native to meditate on

the form of Narayana which Krishna explains to Arjuna in Chapter 11 of the

Gita.

 

ajit

 

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<vedicastrostudent >

<vedic astrology>

Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:53 PM

[vedic astrology] Small clarification on Ishta Devata calculation required

> Dear all,> I have read that the Ishta Devata is the strongest planet >

influencing the 12th house from karakamsa. The rules are:> 1) If there is a

planet in the 12th from Karakamsa, that is the > Ishta Devata> 2) If there are

more that one planet in the 12th, then the strongest > is taken. Strongest is

the one that is exalted, if there is none > such, then the one that is in it's

own sign, and if there is even > none such, then the planet with the highest

degrees (reverse of > course for Ketu).> 3) If there is no planet in the 12th

then take the strongest planet > that has Rasi dristi on it. > 4) If there is

even none such, then the lord of the 12th from > Karakamsa> My question: First

is the above correct, second and much more > importantly, if Ketu in Scorpio

and Sun in Leo have Rasi dristi on > the empty 12th from Karakamsa house

(Capricorn), is Ketu or > Sun to be taken as the Ishta? I am confused between

the natural > exaltation of Ketu in Sc(vs. functional exaltation in Sag) vs.

the > "own" house of Sun - who wins the battle for Ishta?> > Thank you,> >

Sundeep. > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group

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[Guest guest]

Dear Ajit,

You have confused me significantly. I am pretty sure I read the

rules I have cited (especially the exaltation or own sign part, and

the fact that the lord of the 12th from K..a should be taken only if

no planet is in the 12th) - perhaps in VRA (Vedic Remedies in

Astrology -by Sanjay Rath) - the exact source slips my mind right

now. Please correct me if you think I have read or interpreted

wrongly from an SJC source, or if you are citing a completely

different source or your own experience or anything else I may be

missing.

 

Additionally, if you are saying that the actual diety to be

worshipped is dependent on additional factors other than simply

the planets that influence the 12th from Karakamsha (e.g. like

you say whether it turns out effective for the native is not really

known), then what is it that the 12th from Karakamsha is telling

us. Can an objective statement be made about it?

 

Thank you,

 

Sundeep

 

vedic astrology, "Ajit Krishnan"

<astro@m...> wrote:

> hamsa om soham

>

> Dear Sundeep,

>

> I am not very fond of the word "rules".

>

> The planets in the 12th house from karakamsha can lead us to

our ishta-devata while the 12th lord from karakamsha generally

shows the ishta-devata graha itself. However, before prescribing

the deity, the relative strength of these planets should be

considered (contrary to what you have written, a graha which is

debilitated in the 12th from karakamsha is probably the

strongest). In addition, we should judge and see whether or not

the native will actually pray to this deity and get any results. If the

person is a strict Vaishnavaite, we should prescribe a

Vaishnavaite form (Rama, Krishna ... )

>

> If a Jyotishi prescribes some mantra, and the querist does not

do the japa faithfully, the querist may simply conclude that the

mantra is ineffective and put it aside. So, it is the Jyotishi's job to

carefully select the mantra, and to prescribe the mantra at a time

when the querist is likely to follow the instructions. If the native

discards a mantra as ineffective, part of the blame rests on the

Jyotishi.

>

> In the case below, karakamsha is Capricorn with rasi drishti

from Surya and Ketu. The lord Saturn signifies Narayana, Surya

signifies the Bhagavad-Gita and Ketu signifies meditation. Thus

_one_ option is for the native to meditate on the form of

Narayana which Krishna explains to Arjuna in Chapter 11 of the

Gita.

>

> ajit

>

> -

> <vedicastrostudent>

> <vedic astrology>

> Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:53 PM

> [vedic astrology] Small clarification on Ishta Devata

calculation required

>

>

> > Dear all,

> > I have read that the Ishta Devata is the strongest planet

> > influencing the 12th house from karakamsa. The rules are:

> > 1) If there is a planet in the 12th from Karakamsa, that is the

> > Ishta Devata

> > 2) If there are more that one planet in the 12th, then the

strongest

> > is taken. Strongest is the one that is exalted, if there is none

> > such, then the one that is in it's own sign, and if there is even

> > none such, then the planet with the highest degrees (reverse

of

> > course for Ketu).

> > 3) If there is no planet in the 12th then take the strongest

planet

> > that has Rasi dristi on it.

> > 4) If there is even none such, then the lord of the 12th from

> > Karakamsa

> > My question: First is the above correct, second and much

more

> > importantly, if Ketu in Scorpio and Sun in Leo have Rasi dristi

on

> > the empty 12th from Karakamsa house (Capricorn), is Ketu

or

> > Sun to be taken as the Ishta? I am confused between the

natural

> > exaltation of Ketu in Sc(vs. functional exaltation in Sag) vs. the

> > "own" house of Sun - who wins the battle for Ishta?

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Sundeep.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Group info:

vedic astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

vedic astrology-

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Sundeep,

 

What is the significance of Ishta Devata? The 12th from karakamsha shows where

we have to give in this life....where we have a debt to repay. An exalted graha

is "happy", while a debilitated graha shows where we have to put in more effort.

For the purposes of giving, a debilitated graha can show the deity to whom we

have a larger "debt" to repay.

 

The actual deity to be worshipped is seen from the grahas which influence the

12th from karakamsha (they lead us to the Ista Devata), and more importantly

the lord of this house (the Ista Devata itself). If this house falls in Leo,

Surya can show Shiva, Rama or Matangi. Before prescribing a deity, we should

see which of these forms is indicated, and which forms the native is more

likely to worship. (Each deity has multiple forms--there are 8 forms of

lakshmi, 16 forms of ganapati etc. We should be able to find the exact rupa ! )

 

The planets in a house are like tenants, while the dispositor is like the owner.

Ultimately the owner is incharge...but if the tenants are extremely strong, it

is difficult for the owner to displace them. So, sometimes we approach the

grahas in 12th from karakamsa, and sometimes we approach the dispositor

directly. But ultimately, the ishta devata is the lord of the 12th from

karakamsa.

 

Our understanding of Ishta Devata is limited. Even after we find the rupa, we

still have to find the sadhana that has to be performed....do we perform

mantra japa or other meditation? Do we volunteer at a temple for that deity? We

should be able to find the rupa to which we give, what we should give, how we

should give, when we should give etc.

 

No doubt you have cited the rules correctly...but they are only a basis from

which we can start the process of understanding. Why do we have "Ketu

exceptions" and "Saturn exceptions"? Because we apply rules rigidly. There must

be 100's of such exceptions, many of which apply to a small number of cases.

 

As usual, I would love for others to criticize, discuss and correct what I have written :-)

 

ajit

 

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<vedicastrostudent >

<vedic astrology>

Monday, February 17, 2003 11:41 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Small clarification on Ishta Devata calculation required

> Dear Ajit,> You have confused me significantly. I am pretty sure I read the >

rules I have cited (especially the exaltation or own sign part, and > the fact

that the lord of the 12th from K..a should be taken only if > no planet is in

the 12th) - perhaps in VRA (Vedic Remedies in > Astrology -by Sanjay Rath) -

the exact source slips my mind right > now. Please correct me if you think I

have read or interpreted > wrongly from an SJC source, or if you are citing a

completely > different source or your own experience or anything else I may be

> missing.> > Additionally, if you are saying that the actual diety to be >

worshipped is dependent on additional factors other than simply > the planets

that influence the 12th from Karakamsha (e.g. like > you say whether it turns

out effective for the native is not really > known), then what is it that the

12th from Karakamsha is telling > us. Can an objective statement be made about

it? > > Thank you,> > Sundeep> > vedic astrology, "Ajit

Krishnan" > <astro@m...> wrote:> > hamsa om soham> > > > Dear Sundeep,> > > > I

am not very fond of the word "rules". > > > > The planets in the 12th house

from karakamsha can lead us to > our ishta-devata while the 12th lord from

karakamsha generally > shows the ishta-devata graha itself. However, before

prescribing > the deity, the relative strength of these planets should be >

considered (contrary to what you have written, a graha which is > debilitated

in the 12th from karakamsha is probably the > strongest). In addition, we

should judge and see whether or not > the native will actually pray to this

deity and get any results. If the > person is a strict Vaishnavaite, we should

prescribe a > Vaishnavaite form (Rama, Krishna ... )> > > > If a Jyotishi

prescribes some mantra, and the querist does not > do the japa faithfully, the

querist may simply conclude that the > mantra is ineffective and put it aside.

So, it is the Jyotishi's job to > carefully select the mantra, and to prescribe

the mantra at a time > when the querist is likely to follow the instructions. If

the native > discards a mantra as ineffective, part of the blame rests on the >

Jyotishi.> > > > In the case below, karakamsha is Capricorn with rasi drishti >

from Surya and Ketu. The lord Saturn signifies Narayana, Surya > signifies the

Bhagavad-Gita and Ketu signifies meditation. Thus > _one_ option is for the

native to meditate on the form of > Narayana which Krishna explains to Arjuna

in Chapter 11 of the > Gita.> > > > ajit> > > > ----- Original Message

----- > > <vedicastrostudent>> > To:

<vedic astrology>> > Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:53 PM>

> [vedic astrology] Small clarification on Ishta Devata > calculation

required> > > > > > > Dear all,> > > I have read that the Ishta Devata is the

strongest planet > > > influencing the 12th house from karakamsa. The rules

are:> > > 1) If there is a planet in the 12th from Karakamsa, that is the > > >

Ishta Devata> > > 2) If there are more that one planet in the 12th, then the >

strongest > > > is taken. Strongest is the one that is exalted, if there is

none > > > such, then the one that is in it's own sign, and if there is even >

> > none such, then the planet with the highest degrees (reverse > of > > >

course for Ketu).> > > 3) If there is no planet in the 12th then take the

strongest > planet > > > that has Rasi dristi on it. > > > 4) If there is even

none such, then the lord of the 12th from > > > Karakamsa> > > My question:

First is the above correct, second and much > more > > > importantly, if Ketu

in Scorpio and Sun in Leo have Rasi dristi > on > > > the empty 12th from

Karakamsa house (Capricorn), is Ketu > or > > > Sun to be taken as the Ishta? I

am confused between the > natural > > > exaltation of Ketu in Sc(vs. functional

exaltation in Sag) vs. the > > > "own" house of Sun - who wins the battle for

Ishta?> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > Sundeep. > > > > > > > > > Archives:

vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: >

vedic astrology/info.html> > > > > > To

UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology-> > > > > >

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