Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 Om Namah Sivaaya Namaste Robert, > Anyway, the dicta are clear in Jaimini sutram, but they > must be demonstrated convincingly for me to agree. In Bush's chart, no > aspect exists at all by Mars to the lagna or lagna lord, whereas in ALL the > assassination cases that I showed, that combination was found to > exist. Go back and look at the charts of JFK, Indira Gandhi, Mahatma > Gandhi, and William McKinley. In all these cases, Mars is found to be > afflicting either the lagna or lagna lord. This may sound simplistic to > some, but is the most consistent factor that can be found. Let us take Rajiv Gandhi, who too was assissinated. He had lagna and lagna lord in Le. Mars in Vi does not aspect either of them, irrespective of whether you are using rasi drishti or graha drishti. Of course, you may point out that Mars aspects the 8th house (but not 8th lord). But please note that I am addressing the specific principle you wrote above. * * * > In Mahatma Gandhi's case, can you really make a case for the terrible > gunshot assassination with only Sun in or aspecting the 3rd from AL or > A7? Yes, the dicta of sage Jaimini are clear. To me, the stronger If Sun wasn't with Rahu in D-11, that would've been difficult to predict. Note that in the recent Columbia space launch also, Sun is in the 3rd from AL and joins Rahu in D-11. But that was far more violent because Sun is aspected by Mars and nodes in rasi, in addition to being afflicted by Rahu in D-11. But you will find in several cases nodal role coming only in D-11. For example, John Lennon has Jupiter and Saturn in the 3rd from AL. However, Jupiter and Saturn were in Sc with Ketu in D-11. The nodal influence in Rudramsa made the death violent. * * * > >I am not saying Lakshmi yoga is nullified. I am saying that dharma will > >suffer due to dharma lord's marana karaka sthana. I gave other reasons too.> > Then did the dharma of Mahatma Gandhi suffer also, due to his Sun being in > Marana karaka Sthana? In my case too: my dharma would have to suffer (Sun > in 12th), or our friend and colleague Brendan having Jupiter in Marana > karaka sthana in the 3rd? These placements alone are not convincing to me, > to make the native's dharma suffer. Slow down, slow down, please. You misunderstood me. A planet in marana karaka sthana would not always imply lack of dharma. If a planet is in marana karaka sthana (12th for Sun, 8th for Moon, 7th for Mars and Merc, 3rd for Jup, 6th for Ven, 1st for Sat, 9th for Rahu), the houses OWNED BY IT will suffer. Please listen to Sanjay ji's lectures on the east coast last summer, for more. In Goerge W Bush's case, the planet in marana karaka sthana - Jupiter - is the 9th lord. He can show that dharma or father or guru suffers. In Mahatma Gandhi's case and your case, the planet in marana karaka sthana - Sun - is the 11th lord. It shows that gains or elder siblings or friends suffer. In Gandhi's case, he worked with great determination, but denied himself all gains (the fruits of work).That is what the marana karaka sthana placement of Sun would show. He was denied all the gains. >on file, of a very devoted bhakta, who serves > her guru and mission diligently. She has Jupiter in 3rd in debilitation, > while Sun in 12 in debilitation, both in Marana karaka sthana. Why hasn't > her dharma suffered? In Navamsa, there are beautiful yogas illustrating > steadfastness in the observance of religious principles. She was not like > this her whole life, but certainly is at this point in time. There are so > many examples. If you want to examine the chart, I will give the data as > follows:> Female Bhakti-yogi> > November 14, 1961> Time: 8:37:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 71 W 12' 35", 42 N 20' 13" Well, only the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 10th lords are in marana karaka sthanas. The 9th lord is not. So this case is different from Bush. The lady may have suffered with respect to family life, mother, children etc. But her dharma need not suffer because of the planets in marana karaka sthana. In navamsa, all the trine lords join in lagna. It is a brilliant raja yoga, albeit in navamsa. If the birthtime is accurate, she is a wonderful person. Moreover, the 9th lord of rasi, Moon, is exalted in a trine without any afflictions. Compare it with Bush's chart, where the 9th lord Jupiter is afflicted by Mars, Saturn and Rahu in navamsa (Rahu's affliction of Jupiter is the worst). Moreover, 9th lord Moon is in Kshiteesa shashtyamsa and Sivadaa naadyamsa, both are good. There is no comparison between this chart and that of Bush. > Further, Bush has AK Venus in exaltation in Navamsa, while Naiskargika AK > Sun is in exaltation as well. The definitions for these placements are > mentioned by our Jyotish guru Sanjay Rath in his article on Chara > Atmakaraka, wherein he states as follows:> " If AK is in 5th house [of Navamsa] the native is Dharma Parayana i.e. > obeys the laws of his dharma diligently and is straightforward. If the sun > is strong, he shall have many good yogas. Blessings of his father shall > always protect him." That is correct. Bush has AK in 5th in navamsa. The lady you mentionjed above has AK in 6th in navamsa. The former is supposed to be good and the latter is supposed to be bad. It also shows that things happened easily for Bush and things came with a lot of difficulty for the lady. After all, AK in navamsa lagna is supposed to give a royal birth. Placement of AK from navamsa lagna also gives a clue on one's luck level. > * One last point: If indeed Bush were to be assassinated, what dasa period > - using any method, either Tithi Pravesh, Ayur dasas, etc. - would you > suspect it would happen in? I have already commented on it using Shoola dasa, Niryana shoola dasa, Navamsa dasa and Brahma dasa. The period till July 2009 is dangerous. Especially the period till July 2004 is very very dangerous. As per TP, current year (till the birthday in July 2003) can almost be ruled out. This year is safe. The next year's TP chart is intriguing. However, lagna is on a sign border and I cannot make any prediction without doing a thorough rectification of the birthtime. Based on the rectification, lagna of 2003-04 TP chart can move between Taurus and Gemini. I MAY give a more precise reading later. But it will suffice for now to say that the danger period will last till July 2009 and till July 2004 in particular. > Always good to debate with you, Narasimha!> Best regards,> Robert Same here, Robert! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Narasimha, Namaste. As per Maharshi Parasara, Sun in 12th from Libra Lagna gives longevity upto 100 years. The reasoning is that Sun is badhakesh and in the 12th will not do any harm at all.. to add this is Marana Karaka Sthana and the Badhakesh doesn't get todo its job.. Native is very healthy. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:03 PM [vedic astrology] Replies to Robert Koch Om Namah Sivaaya Namaste Robert, > Anyway, the dicta are clear in Jaimini sutram, but they > must be demonstrated convincingly for me to agree. In Bush's chart, no > aspect exists at all by Mars to the lagna or lagna lord, whereas in ALL the > assassination cases that I showed, that combination was found to > exist. Go back and look at the charts of JFK, Indira Gandhi, Mahatma > Gandhi, and William McKinley. In all these cases, Mars is found to be > afflicting either the lagna or lagna lord. This may sound simplistic to > some, but is the most consistent factor that can be found. Let us take Rajiv Gandhi, who too was assissinated. He had lagna and lagna lord in Le. Mars in Vi does not aspect either of them, irrespective of whether you are using rasi drishti or graha drishti. Of course, you may point out that Mars aspects the 8th house (but not 8th lord). But please note that I am addressing the specific principle you wrote above. * * * > In Mahatma Gandhi's case, can you really make a case for the terrible > gunshot assassination with only Sun in or aspecting the 3rd from AL or > A7? Yes, the dicta of sage Jaimini are clear. To me, the stronger If Sun wasn't with Rahu in D-11, that would've been difficult to predict. Note that in the recent Columbia space launch also, Sun is in the 3rd from AL and joins Rahu in D-11. But that was far more violent because Sun is aspected by Mars and nodes in rasi, in addition to being afflicted by Rahu in D-11. But you will find in several cases nodal role coming only in D-11. For example, John Lennon has Jupiter and Saturn in the 3rd from AL. However, Jupiter and Saturn were in Sc with Ketu in D-11. The nodal influence in Rudramsa made the death violent. * * * > >I am not saying Lakshmi yoga is nullified. I am saying that dharma will > >suffer due to dharma lord's marana karaka sthana. I gave other reasons too.> > Then did the dharma of Mahatma Gandhi suffer also, due to his Sun being in > Marana karaka Sthana? In my case too: my dharma would have to suffer (Sun > in 12th), or our friend and colleague Brendan having Jupiter in Marana > karaka sthana in the 3rd? These placements alone are not convincing to me, > to make the native's dharma suffer. Slow down, slow down, please. You misunderstood me. A planet in marana karaka sthana would not always imply lack of dharma. If a planet is in marana karaka sthana (12th for Sun, 8th for Moon, 7th for Mars and Merc, 3rd for Jup, 6th for Ven, 1st for Sat, 9th for Rahu), the houses OWNED BY IT will suffer. Please listen to Sanjay ji's lectures on the east coast last summer, for more. In Goerge W Bush's case, the planet in marana karaka sthana - Jupiter - is the 9th lord. He can show that dharma or father or guru suffers. In Mahatma Gandhi's case and your case, the planet in marana karaka sthana - Sun - is the 11th lord. It shows that gains or elder siblings or friends suffer. In Gandhi's case, he worked with great determination, but denied himself all gains (the fruits of work).That is what the marana karaka sthana placement of Sun would show. He was denied all the gains. >on file, of a very devoted bhakta, who serves > her guru and mission diligently. She has Jupiter in 3rd in debilitation, > while Sun in 12 in debilitation, both in Marana karaka sthana. Why hasn't > her dharma suffered? In Navamsa, there are beautiful yogas illustrating > steadfastness in the observance of religious principles. She was not like > this her whole life, but certainly is at this point in time. There are so > many examples. If you want to examine the chart, I will give the data as > follows:> Female Bhakti-yogi> > November 14, 1961> Time: 8:37:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 71 W 12' 35", 42 N 20' 13" Well, only the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 10th lords are in marana karaka sthanas. The 9th lord is not. So this case is different from Bush. The lady may have suffered with respect to family life, mother, children etc. But her dharma need not suffer because of the planets in marana karaka sthana. In navamsa, all the trine lords join in lagna. It is a brilliant raja yoga, albeit in navamsa. If the birthtime is accurate, she is a wonderful person. Moreover, the 9th lord of rasi, Moon, is exalted in a trine without any afflictions. Compare it with Bush's chart, where the 9th lord Jupiter is afflicted by Mars, Saturn and Rahu in navamsa (Rahu's affliction of Jupiter is the worst). Moreover, 9th lord Moon is in Kshiteesa shashtyamsa and Sivadaa naadyamsa, both are good. There is no comparison between this chart and that of Bush. > Further, Bush has AK Venus in exaltation in Navamsa, while Naiskargika AK > Sun is in exaltation as well. The definitions for these placements are > mentioned by our Jyotish guru Sanjay Rath in his article on Chara > Atmakaraka, wherein he states as follows:> " If AK is in 5th house [of Navamsa] the native is Dharma Parayana i.e. > obeys the laws of his dharma diligently and is straightforward. If the sun > is strong, he shall have many good yogas. Blessings of his father shall > always protect him." That is correct. Bush has AK in 5th in navamsa. The lady you mentionjed above has AK in 6th in navamsa. The former is supposed to be good and the latter is supposed to be bad. It also shows that things happened easily for Bush and things came with a lot of difficulty for the lady. After all, AK in navamsa lagna is supposed to give a royal birth. Placement of AK from navamsa lagna also gives a clue on one's luck level. > * One last point: If indeed Bush were to be assassinated, what dasa period > - using any method, either Tithi Pravesh, Ayur dasas, etc. - would you > suspect it would happen in? I have already commented on it using Shoola dasa, Niryana shoola dasa, Navamsa dasa and Brahma dasa. The period till July 2009 is dangerous. Especially the period till July 2004 is very very dangerous. As per TP, current year (till the birthday in July 2003) can almost be ruled out. This year is safe. The next year's TP chart is intriguing. However, lagna is on a sign border and I cannot make any prediction without doing a thorough rectification of the birthtime. Based on the rectification, lagna of 2003-04 TP chart can move between Taurus and Gemini. I MAY give a more precise reading later. But it will suffice for now to say that the danger period will last till July 2009 and till July 2004 in particular. > Always good to debate with you, Narasimha!> Best regards,> Robert Same here, Robert! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Hi Visti, Does this mean that a Badhakesh in 6th house too will not be able to perform its negative role effectively ? Example: 22-Sep-1974 6:10 AM 80N17 13E05 Thanks, Raj vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > Hare Rama Krsna > > - ------------- > > Dear Narasimha, Namaste. > As per Maharshi Parasara, Sun in 12th from Libra Lagna gives longevity upto 100 years. > The reasoning is that Sun is badhakesh and in the 12th will not do any harm at all.. to add this is Marana Karaka Sthana and the Badhakesh doesn't get todo its job.. Native is very healthy. > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > vedic astrology > Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:03 PM > [vedic astrology] Replies to Robert Koch > > > Om Namah Sivaaya > Namaste Robert, > > > Anyway, the dicta are clear in Jaimini sutram, but they > > must be demonstrated convincingly for me to agree. In Bush's chart, no > > aspect exists at all by Mars to the lagna or lagna lord, whereas in ALL the > > assassination cases that I showed, that combination was found to > > exist. Go back and look at the charts of JFK, Indira Gandhi, Mahatma > > Gandhi, and William McKinley. In all these cases, Mars is found to be > > afflicting either the lagna or lagna lord. This may sound simplistic to > > some, but is the most consistent factor that can be found. > > Let us take Rajiv Gandhi, who too was assissinated. He had lagna and lagna lord in Le. Mars in Vi does not aspect either of them, irrespective of whether you are using rasi drishti or graha drishti. > > Of course, you may point out that Mars aspects the 8th house (but not 8th lord). But please note that I am addressing the specific principle you wrote above. > > * * * > > > In Mahatma Gandhi's case, can you really make a case for the terrible > > gunshot assassination with only Sun in or aspecting the 3rd from AL or > > A7? Yes, the dicta of sage Jaimini are clear. To me, the stronger > > If Sun wasn't with Rahu in D-11, that would've been difficult to predict. > > Note that in the recent Columbia space launch also, Sun is in the 3rd from AL and joins Rahu in D-11. But that was far more violent because Sun is aspected by Mars and nodes in rasi, in addition to being afflicted by Rahu in D-11. > > But you will find in several cases nodal role coming only in D- 11. For example, John Lennon has Jupiter and Saturn in the 3rd from AL. However, Jupiter and Saturn were in Sc with Ketu in D-11. The nodal influence in Rudramsa made the death violent. > > * * * > > > >I am not saying Lakshmi yoga is nullified. I am saying that dharma will > > >suffer due to dharma lord's marana karaka sthana. I gave other reasons too. > > > > Then did the dharma of Mahatma Gandhi suffer also, due to his Sun being in > > Marana karaka Sthana? In my case too: my dharma would have to suffer (Sun > > in 12th), or our friend and colleague Brendan having Jupiter in Marana > > karaka sthana in the 3rd? These placements alone are not convincing to me, > > to make the native's dharma suffer. > > Slow down, slow down, please. You misunderstood me. A planet in marana karaka sthana would not always imply lack of dharma. > > If a planet is in marana karaka sthana (12th for Sun, 8th for Moon, 7th for Mars and Merc, 3rd for Jup, 6th for Ven, 1st for Sat, 9th for Rahu), the houses OWNED BY IT will suffer. Please listen to Sanjay ji's lectures on the east coast last summer, for more. > > In Goerge W Bush's case, the planet in marana karaka sthana - Jupiter - is the 9th lord. He can show that dharma or father or guru suffers. > > In Mahatma Gandhi's case and your case, the planet in marana karaka sthana - Sun - is the 11th lord. It shows that gains or elder siblings or friends suffer. In Gandhi's case, he worked with great determination, but denied himself all gains (the fruits of work).That is what the marana karaka sthana placement of Sun would show. He was denied all the gains. > > >on file, of a very devoted bhakta, who serves > > her guru and mission diligently. She has Jupiter in 3rd in debilitation, > > while Sun in 12 in debilitation, both in Marana karaka sthana. Why hasn't > > her dharma suffered? In Navamsa, there are beautiful yogas illustrating > > steadfastness in the observance of religious principles. She was not like > > this her whole life, but certainly is at this point in time. There are so > > many examples. If you want to examine the chart, I will give the data as > > follows: > > Female Bhakti-yogi > > > > November 14, 1961 > > Time: 8:37:00 > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 71 W 12' 35", 42 N 20' 13" > > Well, only the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 10th lords are in marana karaka sthanas. The 9th lord is not. So this case is different from Bush. > > The lady may have suffered with respect to family life, mother, children etc. But her dharma need not suffer because of the planets in marana karaka sthana. > > In navamsa, all the trine lords join in lagna. It is a brilliant raja yoga, albeit in navamsa. If the birthtime is accurate, she is a wonderful person. > > Moreover, the 9th lord of rasi, Moon, is exalted in a trine without any afflictions. Compare it with Bush's chart, where the 9th lord Jupiter is afflicted by Mars, Saturn and Rahu in navamsa (Rahu's affliction of Jupiter is the worst). Moreover, 9th lord Moon is in Kshiteesa shashtyamsa and Sivadaa naadyamsa, both are good. There is no comparison between this chart and that of Bush. > > > Further, Bush has AK Venus in exaltation in Navamsa, while Naiskargika AK > > Sun is in exaltation as well. The definitions for these placements are > > mentioned by our Jyotish guru Sanjay Rath in his article on Chara > > Atmakaraka, wherein he states as follows: > > " If AK is in 5th house [of Navamsa] the native is Dharma Parayana i.e. > > obeys the laws of his dharma diligently and is straightforward. If the sun > > is strong, he shall have many good yogas. Blessings of his father shall > > always protect him." > > That is correct. Bush has AK in 5th in navamsa. The lady you mentionjed above has AK in 6th in navamsa. The former is supposed to be good and the latter is supposed to be bad. > > It also shows that things happened easily for Bush and things came with a lot of difficulty for the lady. After all, AK in navamsa lagna is supposed to give a royal birth. Placement of AK from navamsa lagna also gives a clue on one's luck level. > > > * One last point: If indeed Bush were to be assassinated, what dasa period > > - using any method, either Tithi Pravesh, Ayur dasas, etc. - would you > > suspect it would happen in? > > I have already commented on it using Shoola dasa, Niryana shoola dasa, Navamsa dasa and Brahma dasa. The period till July 2009 is dangerous. Especially the period till July 2004 is very very dangerous. > > As per TP, current year (till the birthday in July 2003) can almost be ruled out. This year is safe. The next year's TP chart is intriguing. However, lagna is on a sign border and I cannot make any prediction without doing a thorough rectification of the birthtime. Based on the rectification, lagna of 2003-04 TP chart can move between Taurus and Gemini. I MAY give a more precise reading later. But it will suffice for now to say that the danger period will last till July 2009 and till July 2004 in particular. > > > Always good to debate with you, Narasimha! > > Best regards, > > Robert > > Same here, Robert! > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Raj, Only the 12th house placement is auspicious. After all the 12th is giving, and if one gave to the deity, it will give in return.. i.e. no obstructions, and Ganesh is eating plenty of laddoos. However 6th house is the exact opposite of giving, and is possibly the worst placement for the Badhakesh, where constant punishment or struggle may come in court cases and such. In the given chart Jupiter is furthermore retrograde in the 6th, showing that the obstruction is hard to remove, as Vighneswaroopa isn't inclined to eat of the prayers recieved. When looking at the 6th house, its lord should be perused, as well as Karaka's Mercury and Mars. We look at Mercury because it is usually a lack of ability to communicate that causes legal disputes, whilst excess anger caused by Mars, causes an adament nature which only Jupiter in the form of the judge can overrule. As per the chart, Exalted - Mercury is Atmakaraka and is joined Mars and Mercury. Conjunction always dominates over placement just as even the most beutiful houses/resorts can become distorted by the people you meet there. Mercury as AK shows that the native must try hard to speak the truth. Infact they must not be swayed by others to distort the same. Sun and Mars joining shows alot of frustrating situations which demand these traits of the native. Hence legal distputes could come due to a lack of tollerance at the time. The activity of the enemy The lord of the 6th will show how the enemy spends their energy. The stronger Lord is Rahu joined debilitated moon in the 3rd. This shows that ones enemies cause their own destruction. And as its joined Debilitated Moon, this happens due to the curse of admiring the Moon on Chaturthi Tithi, and hence acquiring the Curse of Ganesh. Results of legal disputes The manifestation of legal disputes and their result is seen from the Arudha of the 6th house, and its lord respectively. Lord of A6 is Venus and is placed in the 12th house, hence the legal disputes will end quickly. So what may we infer? The native will have many short lasted legal disputes until the wrath of Guru disapears. As the Badhakesh is not afflicted, the effects will be minimal. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - raja_gopal_r vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 7:27 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Replies to Robert Koch Hi Visti,Does this mean that a Badhakesh in 6th house too will not be able to perform its negative role effectively ?Example: 22-Sep-1974 6:10 AM 80N17 13E05Thanks,Rajvedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> Hare Rama Krsna> > --> > Dear Narasimha, Namaste.> As per Maharshi Parasara, Sun in 12th from Libra Lagna gives longevity upto 100 years.> The reasoning is that Sun is badhakesh and in the 12th will not do any harm at all.. to add this is Marana Karaka Sthana and the Badhakesh doesn't get todo its job.. Native is very healthy.> Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> - > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > vedic astrology > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:03 PM> [vedic astrology] Replies to Robert Koch> > > Om Namah Sivaaya> Namaste Robert,> > > Anyway, the dicta are clear in Jaimini sutram, but they > > must be demonstrated convincingly for me to agree. In Bush's chart, no > > aspect exists at all by Mars to the lagna or lagna lord, whereas in ALL the > > assassination cases that I showed, that combination was found to > > exist. Go back and look at the charts of JFK, Indira Gandhi, Mahatma > > Gandhi, and William McKinley. In all these cases, Mars is found to be > > afflicting either the lagna or lagna lord. This may sound simplistic to > > some, but is the most consistent factor that can be found.> > Let us take Rajiv Gandhi, who too was assissinated. He had lagna and lagna lord in Le. Mars in Vi does not aspect either of them, irrespective of whether you are using rasi drishti or graha drishti.> > Of course, you may point out that Mars aspects the 8th house (but not 8th lord). But please note that I am addressing the specific principle you wrote above.> > * * *> > > In Mahatma Gandhi's case, can you really make a case for the terrible > > gunshot assassination with only Sun in or aspecting the 3rd from AL or > > A7? Yes, the dicta of sage Jaimini are clear. To me, the stronger > > If Sun wasn't with Rahu in D-11, that would've been difficult to predict.> > Note that in the recent Columbia space launch also, Sun is in the 3rd from AL and joins Rahu in D-11. But that was far more violent because Sun is aspected by Mars and nodes in rasi, in addition to being afflicted by Rahu in D-11.> > But you will find in several cases nodal role coming only in D-11. For example, John Lennon has Jupiter and Saturn in the 3rd from AL. However, Jupiter and Saturn were in Sc with Ketu in D-11. The nodal influence in Rudramsa made the death violent.> > * * *> > > >I am not saying Lakshmi yoga is nullified. I am saying that dharma will > > >suffer due to dharma lord's marana karaka sthana. I gave other reasons too.> > > > Then did the dharma of Mahatma Gandhi suffer also, due to his Sun being in > > Marana karaka Sthana? In my case too: my dharma would have to suffer (Sun > > in 12th), or our friend and colleague Brendan having Jupiter in Marana > > karaka sthana in the 3rd? These placements alone are not convincing to me, > > to make the native's dharma suffer.> > Slow down, slow down, please. You misunderstood me. A planet in marana karaka sthana would not always imply lack of dharma.> > If a planet is in marana karaka sthana (12th for Sun, 8th for Moon, 7th for Mars and Merc, 3rd for Jup, 6th for Ven, 1st for Sat, 9th for Rahu), the houses OWNED BY IT will suffer. Please listen to Sanjay ji's lectures on the east coast last summer, for more.> > In Goerge W Bush's case, the planet in marana karaka sthana - Jupiter - is the 9th lord. He can show that dharma or father or guru suffers.> > In Mahatma Gandhi's case and your case, the planet in marana karaka sthana - Sun - is the 11th lord. It shows that gains or elder siblings or friends suffer. In Gandhi's case, he worked with great determination, but denied himself all gains (the fruits of work).That is what the marana karaka sthana placement of Sun would show. He was denied all the gains.> > >on file, of a very devoted bhakta, who serves > > her guru and mission diligently. She has Jupiter in 3rd in debilitation, > > while Sun in 12 in debilitation, both in Marana karaka sthana. Why hasn't > > her dharma suffered? In Navamsa, there are beautiful yogas illustrating > > steadfastness in the observance of religious principles. She was not like > > this her whole life, but certainly is at this point in time. There are so > > many examples. If you want to examine the chart, I will give the data as > > follows:> > Female Bhakti-yogi> > > > November 14, 1961> > Time: 8:37:00> > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > Place: 71 W 12' 35", 42 N 20' 13"> > Well, only the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 10th lords are in marana karaka sthanas. The 9th lord is not. So this case is different from Bush.> > The lady may have suffered with respect to family life, mother, children etc. But her dharma need not suffer because of the planets in marana karaka sthana.> > In navamsa, all the trine lords join in lagna. It is a brilliant raja yoga, albeit in navamsa. If the birthtime is accurate, she is a wonderful person.> > Moreover, the 9th lord of rasi, Moon, is exalted in a trine without any afflictions. Compare it with Bush's chart, where the 9th lord Jupiter is afflicted by Mars, Saturn and Rahu in navamsa (Rahu's affliction of Jupiter is the worst). Moreover, 9th lord Moon is in Kshiteesa shashtyamsa and Sivadaa naadyamsa, both are good. There is no comparison between this chart and that of Bush.> > > Further, Bush has AK Venus in exaltation in Navamsa, while Naiskargika AK > > Sun is in exaltation as well. The definitions for these placements are > > mentioned by our Jyotish guru Sanjay Rath in his article on Chara > > Atmakaraka, wherein he states as follows:> > " If AK is in 5th house [of Navamsa] the native is Dharma Parayana i.e. > > obeys the laws of his dharma diligently and is straightforward. If the sun > > is strong, he shall have many good yogas. Blessings of his father shall > > always protect him."> > That is correct. Bush has AK in 5th in navamsa. The lady you mentionjed above has AK in 6th in navamsa. The former is supposed to be good and the latter is supposed to be bad.> > It also shows that things happened easily for Bush and things came with a lot of difficulty for the lady. After all, AK in navamsa lagna is supposed to give a royal birth. Placement of AK from navamsa lagna also gives a clue on one's luck level.> > > * One last point: If indeed Bush were to be assassinated, what dasa period > > - using any method, either Tithi Pravesh, Ayur dasas, etc. - would you > > suspect it would happen in?> > I have already commented on it using Shoola dasa, Niryana shoola dasa, Navamsa dasa and Brahma dasa. The period till July 2009 is dangerous. Especially the period till July 2004 is very very dangerous.> > As per TP, current year (till the birthday in July 2003) can almost be ruled out. This year is safe. The next year's TP chart is intriguing. However, lagna is on a sign border and I cannot make any prediction without doing a thorough rectification of the birthtime. Based on the rectification, lagna of 2003-04 TP chart can move between Taurus and Gemini. I MAY give a more precise reading later. But it will suffice for now to say that the danger period will last till July 2009 and till July 2004 in particular.> > > Always good to debate with you, Narasimha!> > Best regards,> > Robert> > Same here, Robert!> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha> > > Sponsor > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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