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Respected Chandershekhar ji:

There is considerable confusion on whether a planet in infancy (0 to

5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama in

navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is

not capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the

other hand if such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well

placed (i.e., not debilitated or functional melefic), it gains

additional strength by virtue of its being in vargottama. If that is

the case, then can such a planet's significations manifest during

that planet's dasa despite its weekness on account of extreme

infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such a case?

 

In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in

navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in

Leo in the third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th,

moon (2nd house dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn

in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm

anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's mahadasa has just

started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot of

turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was

expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so

far things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's

mahadasa has in store for me overall, partcularly from the career

standpoint.

 

I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal

favour, but I hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this

misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current state of mind.

 

 

thanks and regards,

Ajit

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Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

 

-

astrolover1959

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM

[vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Respected Chandershekhar ji:There is considerable confusion on whether a planet

in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama

in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not

capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if

such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not

debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of

its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's

significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on

account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such

a case?In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in

navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the

third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house

dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu

in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is

that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was

going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I

was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far

things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has

in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.I know it is

very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and

other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current

state of mind.thanks and regards,Ajit

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Dear Ajit,

You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and their

ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are discusse on the

list.

My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of Grahas

are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all planets are

inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who reverse the avasthas for

even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case how would be Moon be in 3degrees

taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun is parmoccha in Aries 10degrees.

Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If you have

read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he is in

uccha in Navamsha.

About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is lord of 3rd hence not very

auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house aspecting natal Sun, this

adds to the problems.You should start getting relief after Saturn moves to

Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries about one's standing in

public.Things will start picking up really well when your Rahu antar starts.

Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the Gemini ascendant persons

are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore I never feel burdened by

their queries as they are really might be in trouble.Jyotish is for helping

people.

Chandrashekhar.

-

astrolover1959

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM

[vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Respected Chandershekhar ji:There is considerable confusion on whether a planet

in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama

in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not

capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if

such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not

debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of

its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's

significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on

account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such

a case?In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in

navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the

third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house

dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu

in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is

that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was

going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I

was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far

things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has

in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.I know it is

very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and

other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current

state of mind.thanks and regards,AjitArchives:

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Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

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hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info:

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Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

You are not wrong! As a gemini ascendant, I could not agree more. Especially as

I have been running Saturn dasa at the same time.

 

It has also been a great learning period.

 

Best regards,

 

Nimmi Ragavan

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:03 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and their

ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are discusse on the

list.

My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of Grahas

are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all planets are

inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who reverse the avasthas for

even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case how would be Moon be in 3degrees

taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun is parmoccha in Aries 10degrees.

Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If you have

read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he is in

uccha in Navamsha.

About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is lord of 3rd hence not very

auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house aspecting natal Sun, this

adds to the problems.You should start getting relief after Saturn moves to

Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries about one's standing in

public.Things will start picking up really well when your Rahu antar starts.

Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the Gemini ascendant persons

are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore I never feel burdened by

their queries as they are really might be in trouble.Jyotish is for helping

people.

Chandrashekhar.

-

astrolover1959

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM

[vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Respected Chandershekhar ji:There is considerable confusion on whether a planet

in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama

in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not

capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if

such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not

debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of

its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's

significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on

account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such

a case?In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in

navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the

third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house

dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu

in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is

that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was

going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I

was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far

things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has

in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.I know it is

very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and

other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current

state of mind.thanks and regards,AjitArchives:

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Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

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Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info:

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Dear Nimmi,

Thank you for candid statement.You will realise why in my posts I give moe

importance to Sadesati wrt Lagna than Chandra rasi, though it is considered for

the later.

Chandrashekhar.

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Nimmi Ragavan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

You are not wrong! As a gemini ascendant, I could not agree more. Especially as

I have been running Saturn dasa at the same time.

 

It has also been a great learning period.

 

Best regards,

 

Nimmi Ragavan

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:03 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and their

ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are discusse on the

list.

My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of Grahas

are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all planets are

inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who reverse the avasthas for

even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case how would be Moon be in 3degrees

taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun is parmoccha in Aries 10degrees.

Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If you have

read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he is in

uccha in Navamsha.

About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is lord of 3rd hence not very

auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house aspecting natal Sun, this

adds to the problems.You should start getting relief after Saturn moves to

Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries about one's standing in

public.Things will start picking up really well when your Rahu antar starts.

Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the Gemini ascendant persons

are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore I never feel burdened by

their queries as they are really might be in trouble.Jyotish is for helping

people.

Chandrashekhar.

-

astrolover1959

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM

[vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Respected Chandershekhar ji:There is considerable confusion on whether a planet

in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama

in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not

capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if

such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not

debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of

its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's

significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on

account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such

a case?In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in

navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the

third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house

dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu

in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is

that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was

going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I

was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far

things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has

in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.I know it is

very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and

other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current

state of mind.thanks and regards,AjitArchives:

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hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

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Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

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Hi Ajit,

 

Mo in Krittika spoils Cn!! Jeez, where did you hatch this one from?? Ve and Ju

are the only ones that exalt at a dusthana from their m'kanas, and naturally

spoil the effects of Li and Sg resply. The placement of 1L in 11H isn't bad, is

it? To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always have

gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little thing while Mo gets

to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala.

 

I confess to being nowhere in the erudition zone of either you or Chandrashekhar

but I humbly disagree for now. And what's "orthogonal concepts"? Not

contemplating the import of geometry or algebra into this, are you? :o)

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

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Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

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Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

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Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

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vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

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hamsa om soham

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Orthogonal means that these concepts are different, and can be applied

separately.....Anyway, let us leave this topic for now.

 

Please note that for Cancer lagna, Moon in the 11th is placed in badhaka sthana.

 

ajit

 

 

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Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:36 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Ajit,

 

Mo in Krittika spoils Cn!! Jeez, where did you hatch this one from?? Ve and Ju

are the only ones that exalt at a dusthana from their m'kanas, and naturally

spoil the effects of Li and Sg resply. The placement of 1L in 11H isn't bad, is

it? To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always have

gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little thing while Mo gets

to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala.

 

I confess to being nowhere in the erudition zone of either you or Chandrashekhar

but I humbly disagree for now. And what's "orthogonal concepts"? Not

contemplating the import of geometry or algebra into this, are you? :o)

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

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vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

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dear chandrasekhar:

if possible could you clarify further your statement that "Most of

the gemini ascendant persons are facing

problems for last 7 years or so".

is it because of the raghu being in and around gemini and combining with

saturn also being present in and around gemini. i hope you can elaborate

at your convenience.

with regards

rangarajan

At 03:33 PM 3/8/03 +0530, you wrote:

Dear

Ajit,

You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and

their ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are

discusse on the list.

My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of

Grahas are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all

planets are inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who

reverse the avasthas for even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case

how would be Moon be in 3degrees taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun

is parmoccha in Aries 10degrees.

Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If you

have read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he

is in uccha in Navamsha.

About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is lord of 3rd hence

not very auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house aspecting

natal Sun, this adds to the problems.You should start getting relief

after Saturn moves to Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries

about one's standing in public.Things will start picking up really well

when your Rahu antar starts.

Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the Gemini ascendant

persons are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore I never

feel burdened by their queries as they are really might be in

trouble.Jyotish is for helping people.

Chandrashekhar.

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[vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Respected Chandershekhar ji:

There is considerable confusion on whether a planet in infancy (0 to 5 degrees

in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama in navamsa. generally it is

said that infant planet is very week and is not capable of expressing itself

fully during its period. But on the other hand if such a planet is vargottama,

and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not debilitated or functional melefic), it

gains additional strength by virtue of its being in vargottama. If that is the

case, then can such a planet's significations manifest during that planet's

dasa despite its weekness on account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the

effect of rashi sandhi in such a case?

In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in navamsa) in

second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the third, Rahu in

Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house dispositor) is

debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in

10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's

mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot

of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was expecting

things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far things are

getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has in store for

me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.

I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I

hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part,

keeping my current state of mind.

thanks and regards,

Ajit

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the

combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of

two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a

house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from

Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one

of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the

sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation,

it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost

planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted

planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is

more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most

inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the

matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes.

 

Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

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-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

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Dear Sarajit and other members,

sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the

houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc.

Sometimes I think that I should be dead:).

I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma.

Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt

too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear

in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet.

Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma

and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel

between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If

so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign

or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is

governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of

vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus

making these obstacles ineffective.

Best regards,

Ognjen

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vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the

combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of

two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a

house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from

Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one

of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the

sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation,

it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost

planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted

planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is

more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most

inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the

matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes.

 

Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

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Sandhi planets apart, wish you a very happy birthday, Ognjen.

Here's sincerely hoping you'll make it to 28 too :)

 

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Monday, March 10, 2003 12:05 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Sarajit and other members,

sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the

houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc.

Sometimes I think that I should be dead:).

I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma.

Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt

too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear

in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet.

Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma

and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel

between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If

so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign

or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is

governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of

vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus

making these obstacles ineffective.

Best regards,

Ognjen

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Dear Sarajit,

 

The following charts have planets in first or last degrees of a sign.

 

NR - Gemini ascendant. Mercury in Lagna. Mercury L1/L4 and Mars L6/L11 in rasi

sandhi. Mars is also AK. Health good and bad. No serious problem with vehicles

or property so far.

GF - Libra ascendant. Venus in Pisces. Venus L1/L8 in rasi sandhi. Venus also

AK. Good health in general but a serious childhood ailment. A small

inheritance.

HN - Scorpio asc. Jup in asc. Jupiter L2/L5 in rasi sandhi. Jup also AK.

Problems with finances. Child doing very well.

JH - Virgo asc. Jup in 10th. Jupiter L4/L7 in rasi sandhi. Jup dasa for the last

15 years has been very good for career and in general. Problems with partner to

some extent but marriage continues to last. No problems with property. Has a

very large and beautiful residence.

 

Regards,

 

Nimmi

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Sarajit Poddar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 12:40 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the

combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of

two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a

house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from

Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one

of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the

sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation,

it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost

planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted

planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is

more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most

inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the

matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes.

 

Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

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Happy birthday!

I know how you feel- but people like 'horor', don't they? I believe, for that

reason that westerners bellow 40 should start with western ast.- and name and

status of astrology that highly ethical, mostly humanistic professionals

>smile<, have been building for so long should always be kept in mind if

astrology is to survive /and thrive/ I love astrlogy, yes.

You'll get adjusted to that archaic language. I know how scared I was, at the

beginning, when I saw planet-dead in my son's chart- hey, my planets can be

called dead, destructed, I wouldn't mind- I lived long enough to know they are

alive- but my son's planets HAVE to be cheerful, at least...lol

Cheers,

Anna

 

Ognjen <ognjen.pavicevic (AT) zg (DOT) hinet.hr> wrote:

Dear Sarajit and other members,

sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the

houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc.

Sometimes I think that I should be dead:).

I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma.

Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt

too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear

in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet.

Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma

and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel

between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If

so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign

or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is

governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of

vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus

making these obstacles ineffective.

Best regards,

Ognjen

-

Sarajit Poddar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the

combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of

two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a

house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from

Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one

of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the

sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation,

it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost

planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted

planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is

more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most

inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the

matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes.

 

Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Nimmi,

 

Thank you very much for presenting these charts. As usual you have shown your

promptness in presenting the chart. Keep it up... My answers are following your

questions,

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Nimmi Ragavan

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 4:04 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Sarajit,

 

The following charts have planets in first or last degrees of a sign.

 

NR - Gemini ascendant. Mercury in Lagna. Mercury L1/L4 and Mars L6/L11 in rasi

sandhi. Mars is also AK. Health good and bad. No serious problem with vehicles

or property so far.

 

WHAT ABOUT SUKHA OR HAPPINESS AT HOME AND MOTHER'S HEALTH. MARS AS 6TH LORD IN

RASI SANDHI WILL MAKE YOU FREE FROM ENEMIES, HOWEVER SERVANTS SHALL SUFFER, HOW

ARE THE HEALTH OF YOUR WELLWISHERS. DID YOU HAVE ANY BALARISTA (EVILS AT BIRTH)

IN YOUR CHILDHOOD?

 

GF - Libra ascendant. Venus in Pisces. Venus L1/L8 in rasi sandhi. Venus also

AK. Good health in general but a serious childhood ailment. A small

inheritance.

SERIOUS CHILDHOOD AILMENT CAN BE SEEN FROM THIS SANDHI.

 

HN - Scorpio asc. Jup in asc. Jupiter L2/L5 in rasi sandhi. Jup also AK.

Problems with finances. Child doing very well.

WHAT ABOUT INNER HARMONY AND PEACE WITHIN. WHAT ABOUT THE FAMILY LIFE?

 

JH - Virgo asc. Jup in 10th. Jupiter L4/L7 in rasi sandhi. Jup dasa for the last

15 years has been very good for career and in general. Problems with partner to

some extent but marriage continues to last. No problems with property. Has a

very large and beautiful residence.

 

MOTHER'S HEALTH? PEACE AT HOME? MARS SHOUL BE STRONGLY PLACED IN THE HOROSCOPE

ASPECTING THE 4TH HOUSE.

 

PLEASE GET BACK TO ME WITH THE ANSWERS.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

 

 

Regards,

 

Nimmi

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Sarajit Poddar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 12:40 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the

combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of

two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a

house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from

Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one

of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the

sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation,

it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost

planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted

planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is

more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most

inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the

matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes.

 

Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

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Jaya JagannathDear Ognen,

 

Never meant to make the things so scary. Experiences of life is a part and

parcel of human existence and knowing oneself is the key to get out of any

fear. Jyotish can help us understanding ourselves. Morever whenever we can

diagnose a weakness in a chart it can be rectified with various remedies. Now

if a planet is unable to protect a house, we have to look at the karaka for the

house for rescuing it and strenthening tha karaka, can save the house.

 

In your chart, Jup is placed in Gandanta and is bad than the other two. The next

one would be Venus who is very near the junction. Vargottamamsa gives little

strength to Jupiter to protect its houses 3rd and 12th, however the karaka of

3rd i.e., Mars and 12th, Venus and Sat are again in the sandhis, so there are

possibilities of your brothers (if any) might get some troubles or your long

duration foreign visits can be troublesome.

 

Vargottamamsa only strenthen the indication of a planet for the very reason you

have mentioned. If Badhaka becomes vargottama, then it can create more badha.

Thus vargottamamsa can only be good if the planet is supporting you in some or

other way.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

-

Ognjen

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 2:35 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Sarajit and other members,

sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the

houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc.

Sometimes I think that I should be dead:).

I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma.

Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt

too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear

in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet.

Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma

and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel

between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If

so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign

or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is

governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of

vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus

making these obstacles ineffective.

Best regards,

Ognjen

-

Sarajit Poddar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the

combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of

two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a

house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from

Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one

of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the

sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation,

it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost

planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted

planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is

more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most

inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the

matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes.

 

Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

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Dear Sarajit,

Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I

remember right started from Avasthas of planets.

Chandrashekhar.

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Sarajit Poddar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the

combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of

two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a

house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from

Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one

of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the

sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation,

it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost

planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted

planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is

more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most

inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the

matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes.

 

Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

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Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

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Dear Ognjen,

I think too much is being made out of Avastha by taking the avastha statement in

isolation.Not only Vargottam but some of the planets attain their deep

exaltation when at either end of their exaltation rasis. Planet in deep

exaltation has been lavished praise by the Sages similar is the case about

Vargottama. Nobody on the list appears,so far, to have given conditions when

Bhavamadhya of the ascendant might be in first or last 5 degrees. In such a

case the planets nearest to bhavamadhya would be powerful and not pwerless.This

is why all treatises on astrology enjoin the astrologer to first calculate Lagna

spashta and Graha spashta.

Chandrashekhar.

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Ognjen

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 12:05 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Sarajit and other members,

sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the

houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc.

Sometimes I think that I should be dead:).

I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma.

Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt

too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear

in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet.

Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma

and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel

between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If

so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign

or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is

governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of

vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus

making these obstacles ineffective.

Best regards,

Ognjen

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Sarajit Poddar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the

combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of

two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a

house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from

Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one

of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the

sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation,

it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost

planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted

planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is

more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most

inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the

matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes.

 

Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

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Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

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Dear Rangarajan,

For Gemini ascendant Saturn is lord of 8th&9th and Jupiter lord of 7th and

10th.The problems started around the time when Jupiter entered Capricorn and

Saturn was in Pisces.You will find that post his coming to pisces Saturn was

atichari and sat Jup crossed three Rasis almost together. Currently the Saturn

is retro in 12th with rahu.I think my logic would be clear.

Chandrashekhar.

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rangarajan

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 5:34 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

dear chandrasekhar:if possible could you clarify further your statement that

"Most of the gemini ascendant persons are facing problems for last 7 years or

so". is it because of the raghu being in and around gemini and combining with

saturn also being present in and around gemini. i hope you can elaborate at

your convenience.with regardsrangarajanAt 03:33 PM 3/8/03 +0530, you wrote:

Dear Ajit,You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and

their ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are discusse on

the list.My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of

Grahas are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all planets are

inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who reverse the avasthas for

even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case how would be Moon be in 3degrees

taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun is parmoccha in Aries

10degrees.Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If

you have read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he

is in uccha in Navamsha.About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is

lord of 3rd hence not very auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house

aspecting natal Sun, this adds to the problems.You should start getting relief

after Saturn moves to Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries about

one's standing in public.Things will start picking up really well when your

Rahu antar starts.Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the

Gemini ascendant persons are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore

I never feel burdened by their queries as they are really might be in

trouble.Jyotish is for helping people.Chandrashekhar.

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[vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Respected Chandershekhar ji: There is considerable confusion on whether a planet

in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama

in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not

capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if

such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not

debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of

its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's

significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on

account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such

a case?

In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in navamsa) in

second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the third, Rahu in

Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house dispositor) is

debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in

10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's

mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot

of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was expecting

things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far things are

getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has in store for

me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.

I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I

hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part,

keeping my current state of mind.

thanks and regards, Ajit

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

I agree to the statement " planets nearest to bhavamadhya would be powerful and

not pwerless". I guess you meant what I mean, that the results of planet's

placement in that house shall be pretty strong.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:17 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ognjen,

I think too much is being made out of Avastha by taking the avastha statement in

isolation.Not only Vargottam but some of the planets attain their deep

exaltation when at either end of their exaltation rasis. Planet in deep

exaltation has been lavished praise by the Sages similar is the case about

Vargottama. Nobody on the list appears,so far, to have given conditions when

Bhavamadhya of the ascendant might be in first or last 5 degrees. In such a

case the planets nearest to bhavamadhya would be powerful and not pwerless.This

is why all treatises on astrology enjoin the astrologer to first calculate Lagna

spashta and Graha spashta.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ognjen

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 12:05 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Sarajit and other members,

sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the

houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc.

Sometimes I think that I should be dead:).

I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma.

Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt

too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear

in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet.

Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma

and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel

between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If

so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign

or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is

governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of

vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus

making these obstacles ineffective.

Best regards,

Ognjen

-

Sarajit Poddar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar,

 

Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the

combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of

two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a

house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from

Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one

of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the

sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation,

it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost

planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted

planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is

more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most

inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the

matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes.

 

Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle.

 

Best Regards

Sarajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated

the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Chandrashekar,

 

These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good

results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it

due to its placement in rasi sandhi.

 

ajit

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ajit,

Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable

of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Ajit Krishnan

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

hamsa om soham

 

One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of

exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi

sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in

nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition

applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava.

 

Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns.

Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives

the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi

sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the

overthrow of a king (losing power) etc.

 

There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all

vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi !

 

ajit (the other one :-))

 

-

Ramapriya D

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Hi Sanjay,

 

I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember

reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their

avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them

spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in

gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new

to me.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

 

-

Sanjay Prabhakaran

vedic astrology

Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Ajit,

Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to

destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit,

younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed.

Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give

some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you

have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja.

Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit.

 

If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or

any religous organization.

 

Warm Regards

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Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

It isn't often that I find myself in disagreement with you, but I have to now.

It's my considered opinion that avastha is to an astrologer what a capo is to a

guitarist -- very under-appreciated, though very useful. BPHS does list out the

exceptions when results are predicated based on avasthas and if an jyotisha

sticks to it, it can't do him harm. Imho, an astrologer can disregard the

avasthas of planets at his own peril.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

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Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:47 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi

Dear Ognjen,

I think too much is being made out of Avastha by taking the avastha statement in

isolation.Not only Vargottam but some of the planets attain their deep

exaltation when at either end of their exaltation rasis. Planet in deep

exaltation has been lavished praise by the Sages similar is the case about

Vargottama. Nobody on the list appears,so far, to have given conditions when

Bhavamadhya of the ascendant might be in first or last 5 degrees. In such a

case the planets nearest to bhavamadhya would be powerful and not pwerless.This

is why all treatises on astrology enjoin the astrologer to first calculate Lagna

spashta and Graha spashta.

Chandrashekhar

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