Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Respected Chandershekhar ji: There is considerable confusion on whether a planet in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such a case? In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint. I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current state of mind. thanks and regards, Ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran - astrolover1959 vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Respected Chandershekhar ji:There is considerable confusion on whether a planet in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such a case?In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current state of mind.thanks and regards,Ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Dear Ajit, You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and their ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are discusse on the list. My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of Grahas are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all planets are inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who reverse the avasthas for even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case how would be Moon be in 3degrees taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun is parmoccha in Aries 10degrees. Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If you have read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he is in uccha in Navamsha. About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is lord of 3rd hence not very auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house aspecting natal Sun, this adds to the problems.You should start getting relief after Saturn moves to Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries about one's standing in public.Things will start picking up really well when your Rahu antar starts. Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the Gemini ascendant persons are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore I never feel burdened by their queries as they are really might be in trouble.Jyotish is for helping people. Chandrashekhar. - astrolover1959 vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Respected Chandershekhar ji:There is considerable confusion on whether a planet in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such a case?In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current state of mind.thanks and regards,AjitArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, You are not wrong! As a gemini ascendant, I could not agree more. Especially as I have been running Saturn dasa at the same time. It has also been a great learning period. Best regards, Nimmi Ragavan - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:03 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and their ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are discusse on the list. My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of Grahas are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all planets are inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who reverse the avasthas for even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case how would be Moon be in 3degrees taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun is parmoccha in Aries 10degrees. Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If you have read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he is in uccha in Navamsha. About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is lord of 3rd hence not very auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house aspecting natal Sun, this adds to the problems.You should start getting relief after Saturn moves to Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries about one's standing in public.Things will start picking up really well when your Rahu antar starts. Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the Gemini ascendant persons are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore I never feel burdened by their queries as they are really might be in trouble.Jyotish is for helping people. Chandrashekhar. - astrolover1959 vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Respected Chandershekhar ji:There is considerable confusion on whether a planet in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such a case?In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current state of mind.thanks and regards,AjitArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Dear Nimmi, Thank you for candid statement.You will realise why in my posts I give moe importance to Sadesati wrt Lagna than Chandra rasi, though it is considered for the later. Chandrashekhar. - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Chandrashekhar, You are not wrong! As a gemini ascendant, I could not agree more. Especially as I have been running Saturn dasa at the same time. It has also been a great learning period. Best regards, Nimmi Ragavan - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:03 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and their ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are discusse on the list. My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of Grahas are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all planets are inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who reverse the avasthas for even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case how would be Moon be in 3degrees taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun is parmoccha in Aries 10degrees. Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If you have read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he is in uccha in Navamsha. About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is lord of 3rd hence not very auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house aspecting natal Sun, this adds to the problems.You should start getting relief after Saturn moves to Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries about one's standing in public.Things will start picking up really well when your Rahu antar starts. Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the Gemini ascendant persons are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore I never feel burdened by their queries as they are really might be in trouble.Jyotish is for helping people. Chandrashekhar. - astrolover1959 vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Respected Chandershekhar ji:There is considerable confusion on whether a planet in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such a case?In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint.I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current state of mind.thanks and regards,AjitArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Hi Ajit, Mo in Krittika spoils Cn!! Jeez, where did you hatch this one from?? Ve and Ju are the only ones that exalt at a dusthana from their m'kanas, and naturally spoil the effects of Li and Sg resply. The placement of 1L in 11H isn't bad, is it? To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always have gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little thing while Mo gets to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala. I confess to being nowhere in the erudition zone of either you or Chandrashekhar but I humbly disagree for now. And what's "orthogonal concepts"? Not contemplating the import of geometry or algebra into this, are you? ) Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 hamsa om soham Dear Ramapriya, Orthogonal means that these concepts are different, and can be applied separately.....Anyway, let us leave this topic for now. Please note that for Cancer lagna, Moon in the 11th is placed in badhaka sthana. ajit - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:36 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Ajit, Mo in Krittika spoils Cn!! Jeez, where did you hatch this one from?? Ve and Ju are the only ones that exalt at a dusthana from their m'kanas, and naturally spoil the effects of Li and Sg resply. The placement of 1L in 11H isn't bad, is it? To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always have gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little thing while Mo gets to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala. I confess to being nowhere in the erudition zone of either you or Chandrashekhar but I humbly disagree for now. And what's "orthogonal concepts"? Not contemplating the import of geometry or algebra into this, are you? ) Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajitArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 dear chandrasekhar: if possible could you clarify further your statement that "Most of the gemini ascendant persons are facing problems for last 7 years or so". is it because of the raghu being in and around gemini and combining with saturn also being present in and around gemini. i hope you can elaborate at your convenience. with regards rangarajan At 03:33 PM 3/8/03 +0530, you wrote: Dear Ajit, You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and their ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are discusse on the list. My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of Grahas are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all planets are inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who reverse the avasthas for even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case how would be Moon be in 3degrees taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun is parmoccha in Aries 10degrees. Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If you have read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he is in uccha in Navamsha. About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is lord of 3rd hence not very auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house aspecting natal Sun, this adds to the problems.You should start getting relief after Saturn moves to Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries about one's standing in public.Things will start picking up really well when your Rahu antar starts. Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the Gemini ascendant persons are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore I never feel burdened by their queries as they are really might be in trouble.Jyotish is for helping people. Chandrashekhar. - astrolover1959 vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Respected Chandershekhar ji: There is considerable confusion on whether a planet in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such a case? In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint. I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current state of mind. thanks and regards, Ajit Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Dear Sarajit and other members, sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc. Sometimes I think that I should be dead:). I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma. Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet. Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus making these obstacles ineffective. Best regards, Ognjen - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Ognjen.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Sandhi planets apart, wish you a very happy birthday, Ognjen. Here's sincerely hoping you'll make it to 28 too Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ognjen vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 12:05 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit and other members, sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc. Sometimes I think that I should be dead:). I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma. Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet. Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus making these obstacles ineffective. Best regards, Ognjen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Dear Sarajit, The following charts have planets in first or last degrees of a sign. NR - Gemini ascendant. Mercury in Lagna. Mercury L1/L4 and Mars L6/L11 in rasi sandhi. Mars is also AK. Health good and bad. No serious problem with vehicles or property so far. GF - Libra ascendant. Venus in Pisces. Venus L1/L8 in rasi sandhi. Venus also AK. Good health in general but a serious childhood ailment. A small inheritance. HN - Scorpio asc. Jup in asc. Jupiter L2/L5 in rasi sandhi. Jup also AK. Problems with finances. Child doing very well. JH - Virgo asc. Jup in 10th. Jupiter L4/L7 in rasi sandhi. Jup dasa for the last 15 years has been very good for career and in general. Problems with partner to some extent but marriage continues to last. No problems with property. Has a very large and beautiful residence. Regards, Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 12:40 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. 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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Happy birthday! I know how you feel- but people like 'horor', don't they? I believe, for that reason that westerners bellow 40 should start with western ast.- and name and status of astrology that highly ethical, mostly humanistic professionals >smile<, have been building for so long should always be kept in mind if astrology is to survive /and thrive/ I love astrlogy, yes. You'll get adjusted to that archaic language. I know how scared I was, at the beginning, when I saw planet-dead in my son's chart- hey, my planets can be called dead, destructed, I wouldn't mind- I lived long enough to know they are alive- but my son's planets HAVE to be cheerful, at least...lol Cheers, Anna Ognjen <ognjen.pavicevic (AT) zg (DOT) hinet.hr> wrote: Dear Sarajit and other members, sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc. Sometimes I think that I should be dead:). I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma. Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet. Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus making these obstacles ineffective. Best regards, Ognjen - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Nimmi, Thank you very much for presenting these charts. As usual you have shown your promptness in presenting the chart. Keep it up... My answers are following your questions, - Nimmi Ragavan vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 4:04 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit, The following charts have planets in first or last degrees of a sign. NR - Gemini ascendant. Mercury in Lagna. Mercury L1/L4 and Mars L6/L11 in rasi sandhi. Mars is also AK. Health good and bad. No serious problem with vehicles or property so far. WHAT ABOUT SUKHA OR HAPPINESS AT HOME AND MOTHER'S HEALTH. MARS AS 6TH LORD IN RASI SANDHI WILL MAKE YOU FREE FROM ENEMIES, HOWEVER SERVANTS SHALL SUFFER, HOW ARE THE HEALTH OF YOUR WELLWISHERS. DID YOU HAVE ANY BALARISTA (EVILS AT BIRTH) IN YOUR CHILDHOOD? GF - Libra ascendant. Venus in Pisces. Venus L1/L8 in rasi sandhi. Venus also AK. Good health in general but a serious childhood ailment. A small inheritance. SERIOUS CHILDHOOD AILMENT CAN BE SEEN FROM THIS SANDHI. HN - Scorpio asc. Jup in asc. Jupiter L2/L5 in rasi sandhi. Jup also AK. Problems with finances. Child doing very well. WHAT ABOUT INNER HARMONY AND PEACE WITHIN. WHAT ABOUT THE FAMILY LIFE? JH - Virgo asc. Jup in 10th. Jupiter L4/L7 in rasi sandhi. Jup dasa for the last 15 years has been very good for career and in general. Problems with partner to some extent but marriage continues to last. No problems with property. Has a very large and beautiful residence. MOTHER'S HEALTH? PEACE AT HOME? MARS SHOUL BE STRONGLY PLACED IN THE HOROSCOPE ASPECTING THE 4TH HOUSE. PLEASE GET BACK TO ME WITH THE ANSWERS. Best Regards Sarajit Regards, Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 12:40 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. 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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Ognen, Never meant to make the things so scary. Experiences of life is a part and parcel of human existence and knowing oneself is the key to get out of any fear. Jyotish can help us understanding ourselves. Morever whenever we can diagnose a weakness in a chart it can be rectified with various remedies. Now if a planet is unable to protect a house, we have to look at the karaka for the house for rescuing it and strenthening tha karaka, can save the house. In your chart, Jup is placed in Gandanta and is bad than the other two. The next one would be Venus who is very near the junction. Vargottamamsa gives little strength to Jupiter to protect its houses 3rd and 12th, however the karaka of 3rd i.e., Mars and 12th, Venus and Sat are again in the sandhis, so there are possibilities of your brothers (if any) might get some troubles or your long duration foreign visits can be troublesome. Vargottamamsa only strenthen the indication of a planet for the very reason you have mentioned. If Badhaka becomes vargottama, then it can create more badha. Thus vargottamamsa can only be good if the planet is supporting you in some or other way. Best Wishes Sarajit - Ognjen vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 2:35 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit and other members, sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc. Sometimes I think that I should be dead:). I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma. Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet. Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus making these obstacles ineffective. Best regards, Ognjen - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Dear Sarajit, Are we not confusing Bhavasandhi with Parmoccha and Balyavastha.The topic, if I remember right started from Avasthas of planets. Chandrashekhar. - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 6:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Dear Ognjen, I think too much is being made out of Avastha by taking the avastha statement in isolation.Not only Vargottam but some of the planets attain their deep exaltation when at either end of their exaltation rasis. Planet in deep exaltation has been lavished praise by the Sages similar is the case about Vargottama. Nobody on the list appears,so far, to have given conditions when Bhavamadhya of the ascendant might be in first or last 5 degrees. In such a case the planets nearest to bhavamadhya would be powerful and not pwerless.This is why all treatises on astrology enjoin the astrologer to first calculate Lagna spashta and Graha spashta. Chandrashekhar. - Ognjen vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 12:05 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit and other members, sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc. Sometimes I think that I should be dead:). I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma. Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet. Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus making these obstacles ineffective. Best regards, Ognjen - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Dear Rangarajan, For Gemini ascendant Saturn is lord of 8th&9th and Jupiter lord of 7th and 10th.The problems started around the time when Jupiter entered Capricorn and Saturn was in Pisces.You will find that post his coming to pisces Saturn was atichari and sat Jup crossed three Rasis almost together. Currently the Saturn is retro in 12th with rahu.I think my logic would be clear. Chandrashekhar. - rangarajan vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 5:34 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi dear chandrasekhar:if possible could you clarify further your statement that "Most of the gemini ascendant persons are facing problems for last 7 years or so". is it because of the raghu being in and around gemini and combining with saturn also being present in and around gemini. i hope you can elaborate at your convenience.with regardsrangarajanAt 03:33 PM 3/8/03 +0530, you wrote: Dear Ajit,You are rightly confused by all the talk about avastha of grahas and their ability to give rise to yogas and such otherthings that are discusse on the list.My advice is never to take any statement in isolation.When avasthas of Grahas are to be seen then there are two opinions , one is that all planets are inefective when at 6 degrees and so on; and other who reverse the avasthas for even and odd rasis.Had that not been the case how would be Moon be in 3degrees taurus and be called parmoccha?Again Sun is parmoccha in Aries 10degrees.Vargottama always takes precedent over other avasthas of a planet.If you have read, a planet in neecha in natal chart gives results of uccha if he is in uccha in Navamsha.About results of Sun Mahadasha, for your lagna Sun is lord of 3rd hence not very auspicious.Your lord of 9th saturn is in 12th house aspecting natal Sun, this adds to the problems.You should start getting relief after Saturn moves to Gemini. This migh be a period of too many worries about one's standing in public.Things will start picking up really well when your Rahu antar starts.Do not feel awkward about seeking m opinion.Most of the Gemini ascendant persons are facing problems for last 7 years or so. Therefore I never feel burdened by their queries as they are really might be in trouble.Jyotish is for helping people.Chandrashekhar. - astrolover1959 To: vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Respected Chandershekhar ji: There is considerable confusion on whether a planet in infancy (0 to 5 degrees in rashi) overrides its infancy if it is vargottama in navamsa. generally it is said that infant planet is very week and is not capable of expressing itself fully during its period. But on the other hand if such a planet is vargottama, and is otherwise well placed (i.e., not debilitated or functional melefic), it gains additional strength by virtue of its being in vargottama. If that is the case, then can such a planet's significations manifest during that planet's dasa despite its weekness on account of extreme infancy. Also, what about the effect of rashi sandhi in such a case? In my chart (gemini lagna), I have sun at zero degree (vargottama in navamsa) in second house in cancer with Mercury. Venus and Mars in Leo in the third, Rahu in Virgo in the 4th, Jupiter in Libra in 5th, moon (2nd house dispositor) is debilitated in scorpio in 6th, saturn in Sagi in 7th, and ketu in pisces in 10th house. The reason why I'm anxious about my vargottama sun is that my sun's mahadasa has just started in end Dec 2002. And although I was going thru a lot of turmoil in last phase of Venus dasa (ketu antara), yet I was expecting things to improve with the onset of Sun's mahadasa. But so far things are getting only worse. I am just wondering what my sun's mahadasa has in store for me overall, partcularly from the career standpoint. I know it is very selfish soliciting this kind of direct personal favour, but I hope you and other learned gurus will pardon this misdemeanour on my part, keeping my current state of mind. thanks and regards, Ajit Groups Sponsor Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, I agree to the statement " planets nearest to bhavamadhya would be powerful and not pwerless". I guess you meant what I mean, that the results of planet's placement in that house shall be pretty strong. Best Wishes Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:17 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ognjen, I think too much is being made out of Avastha by taking the avastha statement in isolation.Not only Vargottam but some of the planets attain their deep exaltation when at either end of their exaltation rasis. Planet in deep exaltation has been lavished praise by the Sages similar is the case about Vargottama. Nobody on the list appears,so far, to have given conditions when Bhavamadhya of the ascendant might be in first or last 5 degrees. In such a case the planets nearest to bhavamadhya would be powerful and not pwerless.This is why all treatises on astrology enjoin the astrologer to first calculate Lagna spashta and Graha spashta. Chandrashekhar. - Ognjen vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 12:05 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Sarajit and other members, sometimes I read pretty scary things on this list like destruction of the houses, powerless planets, avasthas that make planet totally ineffective etc. Sometimes I think that I should be dead:). I have 4 planets in Rashi sandhi (0-3' 20'') and two of them in vargotamma. Saturn my Lagnes is in mrit avastha and vargotamma and 'till now I haven't felt too much distress (well at least not to much). I really would like to make clear in my head all circumstances in deciding about the effectiveness of a planet. Since vargotamma is a case of a planet having same energy in D9 showing dharma and in D1 showing physical doesn't it make sense that it means direct channel between incarnating in this life and the tendencies and the task of a soul. If so, vargotamma should override all obstacles even a rashi sandi or enemies' sign or debilitation sign. Rashi sandhi is a matter of D1 material plane which is governed by the higher spiritual planes that obviously tell in a case of vargotamma that it is time for things with roots in eternal to take place thus making these obstacles ineffective. Best regards, Ognjen - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Jaya JagannathDear Chandrashekhar, Maharishis have said many things which can be applied together to find out the combined influence on the native. Now we all know that a planet gives result of two things its placement in a house/ sign and its lordship. If the lord of a house is well placed in the horoscope such as exaltation, kendra/ kona from Lagna etc., then the bhava prospers. Its possible that the planets can give one of the results more efficiently than others. This we can find out through the sandhis. If a planet is placed in the Rasi sandhi, even if it is in exaltation, it will fail to protect its house as it would happen if a planet has lost planetary war. Now for most of the horoscopes it is true that the exalted planet of a house has always protected the house, the case we are discussing is more like an exception. Among all sandhis the Gandantas are the most inauspicious ones and can completely destroy the house it owns and hence the matters of the house. We can see this in various horoscopes. Members, please contribute some horoscopes to try out this principle. Best Regards Sarajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Monday, March 10, 2003 1:26 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Do you think the sages forgot to mention your contention when they enumerated the results of planets in exaltation? I do not think so. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:19 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham Dear Chandrashekar, These are orthogonal concepts. Such a moon will still be capable of giving good results due to its exaltation, but it will also destroy the house owned by it due to its placement in rasi sandhi. ajit - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ajit, Does this mean Moon in parmoccha amshas of3degrees Taurus is in fact not capable of any results though in deep exaltation? Think again. Chandrashekhar. - Ajit Krishnan vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi hamsa om soham One of the classical definitions of a rasi / bhava is that it consists of exactly 9 nakshatra padas. From this definition, we can determine both rasi sandhi (last nakshatra pada in a rasi) and bhava sandhi (last nakshatra pada in nakshatra-pada-aligned bhavas). Notice that sandhi according to this defnition applies to both the first and last 3:20' in a rasi/bhava. Grahas in rasi sandhi lose the power to do anything good for the houses it owns. Grahas in bhava sandhi are free of placement responsibilities and does not gives the results of the house it is placed in. Gandanta is a case of violent rasi sandhi between watery and fiery houses. Thus, it is capable of showing the overthrow of a king (losing power) etc. There are many things hidden in these concepts. As an example: 2/3's of all vargottama grahas be placed in bhava sandhi ! ajit (the other one :-)) - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:42 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Hi Sanjay, I'm pretty sure I haven't till now heard what you've stated here. I remember reading that planets in rasi sandhis get to be utterly powerless due to their avastha. As far as I know (and that's very little), this aspect of them spoiling the effect of the houses they own is true only for planets in gandantas. What you've said is for all rasi sandhis in general, and that's new to me. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Sanjay Prabhakaran vedic astrology Friday, March 07, 2003 11:07 PM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Om Gurave Namah, Dear Ajit, Planets in Rashi sandhi (0 to 1 degrees is taken as sandhi here) tend to destroy the house they own. So the third house (effort, fighting spirit, younger siblings etc ) some of the matter could be destroyed. Pray to Naxatra Diety here it is Goddess Aditi (Om Adityai Namah) could give some releife. More over since it's the sun , you are born in Sankrati so you have sankranti dosha make diety of lord of the day you were born and do pooja. Exact pooja procedure should be known and done from a pundit. If this reading benifits you please try to donate some money to the temple or any religous organization. Warm Regards S. PrabhakaranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, It isn't often that I find myself in disagreement with you, but I have to now. It's my considered opinion that avastha is to an astrologer what a capo is to a guitarist -- very under-appreciated, though very useful. BPHS does list out the exceptions when results are predicated based on avasthas and if an jyotisha sticks to it, it can't do him harm. Imho, an astrologer can disregard the avasthas of planets at his own peril. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:47 AM Re: [vedic astrology] vargottama and rashi sandhi Dear Ognjen, I think too much is being made out of Avastha by taking the avastha statement in isolation.Not only Vargottam but some of the planets attain their deep exaltation when at either end of their exaltation rasis. Planet in deep exaltation has been lavished praise by the Sages similar is the case about Vargottama. Nobody on the list appears,so far, to have given conditions when Bhavamadhya of the ascendant might be in first or last 5 degrees. In such a case the planets nearest to bhavamadhya would be powerful and not pwerless.This is why all treatises on astrology enjoin the astrologer to first calculate Lagna spashta and Graha spashta. Chandrashekhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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