Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Dear all, I have few questions below: 1.How does Saturn fare if he becomes Atmakaraka. I have Saturn as atmakaraka present in pisces navamsa with Rahu conjoining him. 2.I have Jupiter and Sun in aquarius navamsa (12th from karakamsa). Since 12th is for realisation of moksha, what are the effects of Jupiter/Sun in 12th from karakamsa? thanks K.Srinivasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Srinivasan, Namaste. - "K.Srinivasan" <ka_shrinivaasan <vedic astrology> Friday, March 07, 2003 9:12 AM [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa > Dear all, > > I have few questions below: > > 1.How does Saturn fare if he becomes Atmakaraka. I have Saturn as > atmakaraka present in pisces navamsa with Rahu conjoining him. I have written a whole article on AK. It is to appear in the March issue of JD. An excerpt from it: Saturn: Accepts a lot of suffering and is resistant to it, he is not dependent on the amount of happiness/distress he achieves. He should learn how to avoid giving sorrow to others, empathize and share their sorrows and help them. Examples: Cardinal Richelieu, Aliester Crowley. Saturn as AK in Pisces is strong spiritually because he is a malefic, and Pisces is the sign of Moksha. However Rahu may give an obstruction. > 2.I have Jupiter and Sun in aquarius navamsa (12th from karakamsa). > Since 12th is for realisation of moksha, what are the effects of > Jupiter/Sun in 12th from karakamsa? No-no. Karakamsha means the Atmakaraka's position in Navamsha, not in Rasi. The above statement by you holds true only if AK is vargottama in your chart, i.e. Saturn is in Pisces both in Rasi and Navamsa. Jupiuter and the Sun combined will indicate Lord Vishnu and Rama. Especially the form of Lord Caitanya having six arms (Sadbhuja Mahaprabhu) is suitable for worship if your KA is actually Pisces. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Gauranga, I am just a novice around here, but i have a few things to add. The dasa of the AK would be a cleansing phase in a native's life, more so if the AK happens to be a malefic. This is true in case of Saturn being the AK. As you rightly mentioned that PI is a sign of moksha would help in spirituality, but at the same time if lagnamsa and Karakamsa are in 6-8 then i would think that the native will always be pulled in two opposite directions. I hope to be corrected Thanks and Best Regards Narahari. - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:50 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa JAYA JAGANNATHA!Dear Srinivasan,Namaste.- "K.Srinivasan" <ka_shrinivaasan >To: <vedic astrology>Friday, March 07, 2003 9:12 AMSubject: [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa> Dear all,>> I have few questions below:>> 1.How does Saturn fare if he becomes Atmakaraka. I have Saturn as> atmakaraka present in pisces navamsa with Rahu conjoining him.I have written a whole article on AK. It is to appear in the March issue ofJD. An excerpt from it:Saturn: Accepts a lot of suffering and is resistant to it, he is notdependent on the amount of happiness/distress he achieves. He should learnhow to avoid giving sorrow to others, empathize and share their sorrows andhelp them.Examples: Cardinal Richelieu, Aliester Crowley.Saturn as AK in Pisces is strong spiritually because he is a malefic, andPisces is the sign of Moksha. However Rahu may give an obstruction.> 2.I have Jupiter and Sun in aquarius navamsa (12th from karakamsa).> Since 12th is for realisation of moksha, what are the effects of> Jupiter/Sun in 12th from karakamsa?No-no. Karakamsha means the Atmakaraka's position in Navamsha, not in Rasi.The above statement by you holds true only if AK is vargottama in yourchart, i.e. Saturn is in Pisces both in Rasi and Navamsa. Jupiuter and theSun combined will indicate Lord Vishnu and Rama. Especially the form of LordCaitanya having six arms (Sadbhuja Mahaprabhu) is suitable for worship ifyour KA is actually Pisces.Yours,Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies:WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Namaste, Excellent delineation on Atma Karaka, which I donot find anywhere else except SJVC's forum. I have Chara Atma Karaka "Rahu" and in navamsha occupied in Capricorn in second house. So Sagitarrius(also D-9 lagna) lord i.e. Jupiter arise as my Ishta Devta. In the currently going on Jupiter antara dasa, there is many ununal experiences with me, like many true dreams, increased intuation and recognition. Though at present more or less all the mega-grahas are transiting in extremely bad position with respect to natal moon, but there is peace of mind and indepth inner confidence and success in higher studies. I still could not find the answer, how a functional malefic's antar prove so beneficial. Is this due to lord of Ishta devata or any thing else reducing the effect of malefic gochar and functional maleficent of antar dasanath Jupiter? Regards Imran Gauranga Das <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> wrote: JAYA JAGANNATHA!Dear Srinivasan,Namaste.- "K.Srinivasan" <ka_shrinivaasan >To: <vedic astrology>Friday, March 07, 2003 9:12 AMSubject: [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa> Dear all,>> I have few questions below:>> 1.How does Saturn fare if he becomes Atmakaraka. I have Saturn as> atmakaraka present in pisces navamsa with Rahu conjoining him.I have written a whole article on AK. It is to appear in the March issue ofJD. An excerpt from it:Saturn: Accepts a lot of suffering and is resistant to it, he is notdependent on the amount of happiness/distress he achieves. He should learnhow to avoid giving sorrow to others, empathize and share their sorrows andhelp them.Examples: Cardinal Richelieu, Aliester Crowley.Saturn as AK in Pisces is strong spiritually because he is a malefic, andPisces is the sign of Moksha. However Rahu may give an obstruction.> 2.I have Jupiter and Sun in aquarius navamsa (12th from karakamsa).> Since 12th is for realisation of moksha, what are the effects of> Jupiter/Sun in 12th from karakamsa?No-no. Karakamsha means the Atmakaraka's position in Navamsha, not in Rasi.The above statement by you holds true only if AK is vargottama in yourchart, i.e. Saturn is in Pisces both in Rasi and Navamsa. Jupiuter and theSun combined will indicate Lord Vishnu and Rama. Especially the form of LordCaitanya having six arms (Sadbhuja Mahaprabhu) is suitable for worship ifyour KA is actually Pisces.Yours,Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies:WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do you ? Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Dear Imran, Could be wrong but I guess Narayana, or his Islamic equivalent, is your ishtadevata, unless some planet occupies Aq in D-9. Since Ra moves the other way, the twelfth from it should also be reckoned likewise, I think. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:27 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa Respected Gauranga Das Namaste, Excellent delineation on Atma Karaka, which I donot find anywhere else except SJVC's forum. I have Chara Atma Karaka "Rahu" and in navamsha occupied in Capricorn in second house. So Sagitarrius(also D-9 lagna) lord i.e. Jupiter arise as my Ishta Devta. In the currently going on Jupiter antara dasa, there is many ununal experiences with me, like many true dreams, increased intuation and recognition. Though at present more or less all the mega-grahas are transiting in extremely bad position with respect to natal moon, but there is peace of mind and indepth inner confidence and success in higher studies. I still could not find the answer, how a functional malefic's antar prove so beneficial. Is this due to lord of Ishta devata or any thing else reducing the effect of malefic gochar and functional maleficent of antar dasanath Jupiter? Regards Imran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Yes, off course! may be it falls in Aquarius due to backward motion of Rahu. But I also told that may be due to anyother reasons. How can matters and event in current Jupiter antar is defined. Both in Rashi and Navamsha my Jupiter is in dushatana bhava and functional malefic as well. Instead he is bestowing benevolence in presence of bad transit. Regards Imran Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Imran, Could be wrong but I guess Narayana, or his Islamic equivalent, is your ishtadevata, unless some planet occupies Aq in D-9. Since Ra moves the other way, the twelfth from it should also be reckoned likewise, I think. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:27 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa Respected Gauranga Das Namaste, Excellent delineation on Atma Karaka, which I donot find anywhere else except SJVC's forum. I have Chara Atma Karaka "Rahu" and in navamsha occupied in Capricorn in second house. So Sagitarrius(also D-9 lagna) lord i.e. Jupiter arise as my Ishta Devta. In the currently going on Jupiter antara dasa, there is many ununal experiences with me, like many true dreams, increased intuation and recognition. Though at present more or less all the mega-grahas are transiting in extremely bad position with respect to natal moon, but there is peace of mind and indepth inner confidence and success in higher studies. I still could not find the answer, how a functional malefic's antar prove so beneficial. Is this due to lord of Ishta devata or any thing else reducing the effect of malefic gochar and functional maleficent of antar dasanath Jupiter? Regards ImranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do you ? Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Salaam Imran Bhai, The 12th from Rahu should be reckoned as usual. Unless there is any planet in Sg in navamsa, Jupiter shows ishta devata. Jupiter can show Vamana and many other deities, but he finally shows nirguNa parabrahman (formless superconsciousness pervading the whole universe). Being of aakaasa tattva, Jupiter's highest represent is formless (nirguNa). I am not an expert in Islam, but you can perhaps meditate on Allah. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Ramapriya, > Yes, off course! may be it falls in Aquarius due to backward motion of Rahu. But I also told that may be due to anyother reasons. How can matters and event in current Jupiter antar is defined. Both in Rashi and Navamsha my Jupiter is in dushatana bhava and functional malefic as well. Instead he is bestowing benevolence in presence of bad transit. > Regards > Imran > Ramapriya D <hubli@v...> wrote:Dear Imran,Could be wrong but I guess Narayana, or his Islamic equivalent, is your ishtadevata, unless some planet occupies Aq in D-9. Since Ra moves the other way, the twelfth from it should also be reckoned likewise, I think.Warm regards,Ramapriyahubli@v... - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:27 AMRe: [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa > > Respected Gauranga Das > Namaste, > Excellent delineation on Atma Karaka, which I donot find anywhere else except SJVC's forum. I have Chara Atma Karaka "Rahu" and in navamsha occupied in Capricorn in second house. So Sagitarrius(also D-9 lagna) lord i.e. Jupiter arise as my Ishta Devta. In the currently going on Jupiter antara dasa, there is many ununal experiences with me, like many true dreams, increased intuation and recognition. Though at present more or less all the mega-grahas are transiting in extremely bad position with respect to natal moon, but there is peace of mind and indepth inner confidence and success in higher studies. I still could not find the answer, how a functional malefic's antar prove so beneficial. > Is this due to lord of Ishta devata or any thing else reducing the effect of malefic gochar and functional maleficent of antar dasanath Jupiter? > Regards > Imran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 Dear Sir, I have saturn in pisces navamsa only. To be clear I have given my chart here for your analysis. thanks and regards K.Srinivasan Date of Birth: May 19, 1978 Time of Birth: 1:30:00 pm Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT Place of Birth: Madurai(TN) Longitude of Birth: 78 E 07 Latitude of Birth: 9 N 56 Dasa balance: Moon dasa ( 0 year 0 month 4 days) Charts cast to No.28 Vakya Panchanga +----------------------+ | | | | Ven | | | | Sun | | | Ket | Mer | | | | | | | | | | | | Jup | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | Saturn | | | | Mars | | | | | | | | | |-------------| R A S I |-------------| | | | | | | | | | | | LAGNA | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | | | Rah | | | | | | | | | | Moo | | | | | | +----------------------+ +----------------------+ | | | | | | Saturn | | | | | Rah | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | Jupiter | | | | Sun | | | | | | Moon | | | | | |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Mar | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | Ven | | | | | Mercury | | | | LAGNA | | Ketu | | | | | | | | | | | +----------------------+ vedic astrology, Gauranga Das <gauranga@b...> wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Srinivasan, > > Namaste. > > - > "K.Srinivasan" <ka_shrinivaasan> > <vedic astrology> > Friday, March 07, 2003 9:12 AM > [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have few questions below: > > > > 1.How does Saturn fare if he becomes Atmakaraka. I have Saturn as > > atmakaraka present in pisces navamsa with Rahu conjoining him. > > I have written a whole article on AK. It is to appear in the March issue of > JD. An excerpt from it: > > Saturn: Accepts a lot of suffering and is resistant to it, he is not > dependent on the amount of happiness/distress he achieves. He should learn > how to avoid giving sorrow to others, empathize and share their sorrows and > help them. > Examples: Cardinal Richelieu, Aliester Crowley. > > Saturn as AK in Pisces is strong spiritually because he is a malefic, and > Pisces is the sign of Moksha. However Rahu may give an obstruction. > > > 2.I have Jupiter and Sun in aquarius navamsa (12th from karakamsa). > > Since 12th is for realisation of moksha, what are the effects of > > Jupiter/Sun in 12th from karakamsa? > > No-no. Karakamsha means the Atmakaraka's position in Navamsha, not in Rasi. > The above statement by you holds true only if AK is vargottama in your > chart, i.e. Saturn is in Pisces both in Rasi and Navamsa. Jupiuter and the > Sun combined will indicate Lord Vishnu and Rama. Especially the form of Lord > Caitanya having six arms (Sadbhuja Mahaprabhu) is suitable for worship if > your KA is actually Pisces. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga@b... > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Ramapriya, Namaste. I disagree reckoning 12th from Rahu in Karakamsa in the opposite direction. 12th is always reckoned the same way independently of the move of the AK because always 12th is the moksha sthana. Plus consider that Rahu gives an aspect on the 2nd from it but not the 12th. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:02 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa Dear Imran, Could be wrong but I guess Narayana, or his Islamic equivalent, is your ishtadevata, unless some planet occupies Aq in D-9. Since Ra moves the other way, the twelfth from it should also be reckoned likewise, I think. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:27 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa Respected Gauranga Das Namaste, Excellent delineation on Atma Karaka, which I donot find anywhere else except SJVC's forum. I have Chara Atma Karaka "Rahu" and in navamsha occupied in Capricorn in second house. So Sagitarrius(also D-9 lagna) lord i.e. Jupiter arise as my Ishta Devta. In the currently going on Jupiter antara dasa, there is many ununal experiences with me, like many true dreams, increased intuation and recognition. Though at present more or less all the mega-grahas are transiting in extremely bad position with respect to natal moon, but there is peace of mind and indepth inner confidence and success in higher studies. I still could not find the answer, how a functional malefic's antar prove so beneficial. Is this due to lord of Ishta devata or any thing else reducing the effect of malefic gochar and functional maleficent of antar dasanath Jupiter? Regards ImranArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Dear Shri Narasimhaji Does the same is applicable for a weak ishta Jupiter also? Both the AK(Moon in Rasi) and ishta (Jupiter in D-9) are debilitated. what does it shows? Is it shows lack of spiritiual progress? Regards tri vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Salaam Imran Bhai, > > The 12th from Rahu should be reckoned as usual. Unless there is any > planet in Sg in navamsa, Jupiter shows ishta devata. Jupiter can > show Vamana and many other deities, but he finally shows nirguNa > parabrahman (formless superconsciousness pervading the whole > universe). Being of aakaasa tattva, Jupiter's highest represent is > formless (nirguNa). > > I am not an expert in Islam, but you can perhaps meditate on Allah. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > Dear Ramapriya, > > Yes, off course! may be it falls in Aquarius due to backward > motion of Rahu. But I also told that may be due to anyother reasons. > How can matters and event in current Jupiter antar is defined. Both > in Rashi and Navamsha my Jupiter is in dushatana bhava and > functional malefic as well. Instead he is bestowing benevolence in > presence of bad transit. > > Regards > > Imran > > Ramapriya D <hubli@v...> wrote:Dear Imran,Could be wrong but I > guess Narayana, or his Islamic equivalent, is your ishtadevata, > unless some planet occupies Aq in D-9. Since Ra moves the other way, > the twelfth from it should also be reckoned likewise, I think.Warm > regards,Ramapriyahubli@v... - > Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Saturday, > March 08, 2003 7:27 AMRe: [vedic astrology] Questions on > Atmakaraka and Karakamsa > > > > Respected Gauranga Das > > Namaste, > > Excellent delineation on Atma Karaka, which I donot find anywhere > else except SJVC's forum. I have Chara Atma Karaka "Rahu" and in > navamsha occupied in Capricorn in second house. So Sagitarrius(also > D-9 lagna) lord i.e. Jupiter arise as my Ishta Devta. In the > currently going on Jupiter antara dasa, there is many ununal > experiences with me, like many true dreams, increased intuation and > recognition. Though at present more or less all the mega-grahas are > transiting in extremely bad position with respect to natal moon, but > there is peace of mind and indepth inner confidence and success in > higher studies. I still could not find the answer, how a functional > malefic's antar prove so beneficial. > > Is this due to lord of Ishta devata or any thing else reducing the > effect of malefic gochar and functional maleficent of antar dasanath > Jupiter? > > Regards > > Imran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 You're right, Gauranga. PVR had already clarified this to Imran -- and I learnt from it too ) Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:17 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Questions on Atmakaraka and Karakamsa JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Ramapriya, Namaste. I disagree reckoning 12th from Rahu in Karakamsa in the opposite direction. 12th is always reckoned the same way independently of the move of the AK because always 12th is the moksha sthana. Plus consider that Rahu gives an aspect on the 2nd from it but not the 12th. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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