Working Out Astrological Puzzles

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Dear List Members and Respected Gurus,

I am an active member of this list, going through all the mails

almost daily. I strongly feel that discussing unknown charts is the only

touchstone of one's predictive ability. Therefore, I suggest to add this as a

regular feature of our beloved list. This will sharpen our predictive

competence and will prove beneficial in many ways. It may have following

features :

1) Any of us may put forward a puzzle. Post the birth data as accurate as

possible. Avoid doubtful birth data. Don't post any birth-data when 3 or more

puzzles are already pending. Riddles can be solved on first cum first serve

basis. We can take up only one puzzle a week. Discusion can't be complete

before that. Later, this can be extended to Prashna too.

2) Ask to comment on specific and prominent aspects of one's life (either

positive or negative).

Illustrating, one's health, educational achievements, marital life /

relationships, financial and professional status, progeny problems, relatives

etc. This will ease out the things which is a must for the beginners.

.

3) Then we should make some time specific queries. Here we must be concerned

with one dasa / antardasa or Vashaphala rather than exact date / month. In case

of Varshaphala take precaution that the event falls safely within the scope of

one Varshaphala and doesn't overlap with the other.

4) One may comment upon any other noticeable features one comes across.

5) All of us may solve the puzzle in comforts of home and post the answers

alongwith technical reasons. There will be no restriction on techniques / tools

used.

6) Gurus too may please participate. This will help us learn different

approaches. I do appreciate Narasimha who attempts such puzzles with great

zeal.

7) Finally, after one weak, the facts will be revealed by the member posting the

chart and others will be free to post-mortem it astrologically.

 

To start with I am posting the birth data of one female native (chart attached) :

Name : XYZ

Date of Birth : April 20, 1972

Time of Birth : 10:37 AM

Place of Birth : Mumbai / Bombay (India) ( 72E50 ; 18N58 ; + 5:30 Hrs.)

 

Now you are required to answer the following :

 

General Queries :

1) Comment on her 'educational achievements'.

2) Comment on her 'profession' and ' financial status'.

 

Time Specific Queries :

1) Evaluate Mercury (Vimshottari) dasa for marital life / relationship.

2) She had suffered due to some accident in Mercury dasa. Point out which

Antardasa or 'Year of her life'.

Note : Those using other dasas can give their interpretations based on

respective dasas, but for almost the same time-span.

 

All of you are required to opine on proposed new ( better say refined ) strategy.

 

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

 

Attachment: (application/octet-stream) XYZ.jhd [not stored]

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Unfortunately only 3 persons attempted my puzzle. All of them were off the mark.

Among those attempted, Narasimha may be said to be nearest. Among Gurus, he was

the only one who dared to attempt it. Now I am giving facts of the case below

respective questions. The chart belongs to one Bollywood Actress who herself

had handed over the birth details to me. She belongs to a middle class family

and onset of Mercury dasa changed her fortunes radically. As per my

observations, TOB must be correct, more or less.

 

-

Praveen Kumar

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:50 AM

Working Out Astrological Puzzles

 

Dear List Members and Respected Gurus,

I am an active member of this list, going through all the mails

almost daily. I strongly feel that discussing unknown charts is the only

touchstone of one's predictive ability. Therefore, I suggest to add this as a

regular feature of our beloved list. This will sharpen our predictive

competence and will prove beneficial in many ways. It may have following

features :

1) Any of us may put forward a puzzle. Post the birth data as accurate as

possible. Avoid doubtful birth data. Don't post any birth-data when 3 or more

puzzles are already pending. Riddles can be solved on first cum first serve

basis. We can take up only one puzzle a week. Discusion can't be complete

before that. Later, this can be extended to Prashna too.

2) Ask to comment on specific and prominent aspects of one's life (either

positive or negative).

Illustrating, one's health, educational achievements, marital life /

relationships, financial and professional status, progeny problems, relatives

etc. This will ease out the things which is a must for the beginners.

.

3) Then we should make some time specific queries. Here we must be concerned

with one dasa / antardasa or Vashaphala rather than exact date / month. In case

of Varshaphala take precaution that the event falls safely within the scope of

one Varshaphala and doesn't overlap with the other.

4) One may comment upon any other noticeable features one comes across.

5) All of us may solve the puzzle in comforts of home and post the answers

alongwith technical reasons. There will be no restriction on techniques / tools

used.

6) Gurus too may please participate. This will help us learn different

approaches. I do appreciate Narasimha who attempts such puzzles with great

zeal.

7) Finally, after one weak, the facts will be revealed by the member posting the

chart and others will be free to post-mortem it astrologically.

 

To start with I am posting the birth data of one female native (chart attached) :

Name : XYZ

Date of Birth : April 20, 1972

Time of Birth : 10:37 AM

Place of Birth : Mumbai / Bombay (India) ( 72E50 ; 18N58 ; + 5:30 Hrs.)

 

Now you are required to answer the following :

 

General Queries :

1) Comment on her 'educational achievements'.

She had to discontinue her studies after matriculation. See 5th lord in Rasi,

Navamsa and D-24. In D-24 it is in the 12th with illiterate debilitated Saturn.

It was dasa of Saturn.

2) Comment on her 'profession' and ' financial status'.

She is a film actress not in much limelight now. She is known for exposure and

erotic dances etc. See the influence of Moon and Venus on Lagna and 10th from

Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-60 too. Read D-60 as Rasi chart. Moon and Venus

aspect the Lagna in D-9 and D-60 both. See that four out of seven major planets

are in the Nakshatras of Moon and Venus.

Her financial status is, naturally, excellent. She is a multimillionaire,

investing in and financing many projects. See Rasi, Navamsa and D-4. See 2nd

house and different rajayogas. Probe deeper and you will see a clear pattern

for prosperity. Can you see why it materialized with the onset of Mercury dasa

?

 

Time Specific Queries :

1) Evaluate Mercury (Vimshottari) dasa for marital life / relationship.

She is unmarried yet, atleast officially. See proximity of Venus and Mars in

Rasi and Navamsa. It tells a lot about relationships. See how Venus, Mars and

7th lord are influencing Mercury from 10th house in Rasi and Navamsa .

2) She had suffered due to some accident in Mercury dasa. Point out which

Antardasa or 'Year of her life'.

She had suffered due to fracture in left leg in Venus sub period. A steel rod

had to be inserted. See proximity of Venus and Mars in the 12th in Rasi. Try to

see in Navamsa too.

Note : Those using other dasas can give their interpretations based on

respective dasas, but for almost the same time-span.

Note : Using other techniques like Astakvarga, Special Ascendants, Special

Purpose Dasas etc. will throw further light on the issue. Calculate Astakvarga

for Rasi chart only.

 

All of you are required to opine on proposed new ( better say refined ) strategy.

Comment of Narasimha is good, we must give some events for rectification too.

Now others are requested to post similar puzzles and their analysis on this

puzzle.

 

Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

 

Attachment: (application/octet-stream) XYZ.jhd [not stored]

[Guest guest]

Namaste Praveen ji,

 

> Among those attempted, Narasimha may be said to be nearest.

> Among Gurus, he was the only one who dared to attempt it.

 

Some gurus do attempt puzzles here. If they leave a puzzle, it can be because

they suspect the correctness of the data or simply don't have time. In any

case, "dare" is a somewhat inappropriate word in this context.

 

I was also very skeptical about the data. In the D-24 chart, lagna lord was in

8th with Rahu and Ketu, suggesting poor education, but rasi and D-10 charts

seemed to show a successful and wealthy lady. It did not even look like

somebody born in a rich family. How can then she be successful despite poor

education? Overall, it did not seem to fit. I thought there was some error. So

I was very tentative and did not even say anything on the first question on

D-24.

 

Now that you gave the answer, it all makes sense. I think the data is reasonably accurate.

 

> The chart belongs to one Bollywood Actress who herself had

> handed over the birth details to me. She belongs to a middle

> class family and onset of Mercury dasa changed her fortunes

> radically. As per my observations, TOB must be correct,

> more or less.

 

I just have a few comments to make. She was born in Sukla paksha in Sun's hora.

So Shodasottari dasa applies. Rahu is the governor of this dasa. He is the 9th

lord from lagna and is in 8th. He is in 5th from AL. He shows success, fortune

and sudden rise. He is in exalted Sun's nakshatra and occupies the 7th from

Moon. So he represents the desire for power. That will be the main theme of

life and events related to the theme will captured by Shodasottari dasa well.

 

Shodasottari dasa (applicable if lagna in Moon's hora in Krishna paksha or in

Sun's hora in Sukla paksha):

 

Ket MD: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 2001-10-05 (7:07:23)

 

Antardasas in this MD:

 

Ket: 1986-10-05 (10:50:40) - 1988-09-12 (18:44:51) Moo: 1988-09-12 (18:44:51)

- 1990-10-08 (14:57:03) Mer: 1990-10-08 (14:57:03) - 1992-12-18 (3:58:13) Ven:

1992-12-18 (3:58:13) - 1995-04-14 (20:53:11) Sun: 1995-04-14 (20:53:11) -

1996-09-19 (4:45:47) Mar: 1996-09-19 (4:45:47) - 1998-04-05 (3:52:15) Jup:

1998-04-05 (3:52:15) - 1999-12-12 (20:35:44) Sat: 1999-12-12 (20:35:44) -

2001-10-05 (7:07:23)

 

Ketu is in the 2nd house with Moon and will give Moon's results. He is in 11th

from AL. So he gives a lot of money and financial gains. In D-10, he is the 2nd

lord and occupies 8th. He rules over sustenance and shows sudden rise. Being

placed in the 12th from AL, he gives success (12th fropm AL is a good placement

from Ketu). He shows excellent success that comes suddenly (8th house

placement).

 

Mercury is in the 5th house from lagna. He is the AL lord placed in the 9th

house from AL. From Ketu, he is the 5th lord in 10th. So Mercury antardasa in

Ketu dasa must've been a great antardasa. It must've brought a turning point in

her life (1991-1992).

 

Venus is the owner of lagna as well as 8th and shows mixed results, being in

badhaka sthana. He is with Mars in A3 and A8, in the 3rd from AL. He gets the

maleficence of Mars and gives good results in the 3rd from AL. He gives

material success in career. Being in A3, he gives physical acts that are

considered to be manifestations of her boldness (e.g. starting a venture, doing

a controversial scene in a movie etc). With the planets involved with A3 in the

3rd from AL being Venus and Mars, this could relate to matters of sex or

perhaps an affair with a co-star. In any case, some bold acts are possible in

Venus antardasa (1993-1995). Though Venus with Mars gives success (3rd from AL)

due to these bold acts (A3), he also gives problems in career (due to being in

A8 too). A8 is called mrityu pada and shows death (in career). So some

controversies/scandals/affairs make her popular/successful, but also threaten

her career.

 

Sun is well-placed in AL in D-10. He is in the 2nd house from Ketu and aspects

5th. Moreover, he occupies A5 in D-10 (along with AL). He shows popularity. He

is exalted in rasi. Thus, Sun antardasa in Ketu dasa may have brought the peak

of her career (1995-1996).

 

Mars is maraka (2nd and 7th lord) in D-10 and afflicts lagna lord in badhaka

sthana. His antardasa may have brought her fall (1997-1998). At the same time,

this antardasa may have brought some business activities (Mars is the 7th

lord). Mars is in Leo with argala from Sun, in the 11th house of friends (all

in D-10). Thus she may have made friendship with some influential people in

this antaradasa.

 

Anyway, I'll stop here. I just wanted to try the conditional dasa as it is applicable in this chart.

 

BTW, 2004-2006 is a good time for the lady's career. There is some chance that

the second round of recognition will come to her, though not as big as the

first time.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Praveen,

 

Jyotish is great. It is our fault, if it not works. I've taken

incidentally Rahu for Ketu (due to my dilapidated computer) in my

analysis of D10 chart, darkening my interpretation of that chart (see

my message).

For her accident, I am ever convinced about the role of Moon. My

fault was to neglect the importance of the connection between Moon,

Venus and Jupiter: Moon is in Nakshatra of Jupiter, which is in

Nakshatra of Venus, which is in Nakshatra of Moon. So, bukhti of

Venus could give the results of Moon (bukhti of Jupiter is from

November 2003).

See at drekkana representing the body parts (Saravali, ch.4): Moon is

in 10th house, pointing at the danger for the left parts of the body,

whilst Venus is in 4th house indicating the danger for the right

parts. Moon is in the 3rd succession of drekkanas giving a danger for

leg, whilst Venus is in the 2nd succession = danger for the right

side. Lady's injury was in the left leg, confirming the role of Moon.

Can I know the data exact of her accident?

 

Best regards

Waldemar

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Praveen Kumar"

<chunnu2001@v...> wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> Unfortunately only 3 persons attempted my puzzle. All of them were

off the mark. Among those attempted, Narasimha may be said to be

nearest. Among Gurus, he was the only one who dared to attempt it.

Now I am giving facts of the case below respective questions. The

chart belongs to one Bollywood Actress who herself had handed over

the birth details to me. She belongs to a middle class family and

onset of Mercury dasa changed her fortunes radically. As per my

observations, TOB must be correct, more or less.

>

> -

> Praveen Kumar

> vedic astrology

> Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:50 AM

> Working Out Astrological Puzzles

>

>

> Dear List Members and Respected Gurus,

> I am an active member of this list, going through all

the mails almost daily. I strongly feel that discussing unknown

charts is the only touchstone of one's predictive ability. Therefore,

I suggest to add this as a regular feature of our beloved list. This

will sharpen our predictive competence and will prove beneficial in

many ways. It may have following features :

> 1) Any of us may put forward a puzzle. Post the birth data as

accurate as possible. Avoid doubtful birth data. Don't post any birth-

data when 3 or more puzzles are already pending. Riddles can be

solved on first cum first serve basis. We can take up only one puzzle

a week. Discusion can't be complete before that. Later, this can be

extended to Prashna too.

> 2) Ask to comment on specific and prominent aspects of one's life

(either positive or negative).

> Illustrating, one's health, educational achievements, marital

life / relationships, financial and professional status, progeny

problems, relatives etc. This will ease out the things which is a

must for the beginners. .

> 3) Then we should make some time specific queries. Here we must be

concerned with one dasa / antardasa or Vashaphala rather than exact

date / month. In case of Varshaphala take precaution that the event

falls safely within the scope of one Varshaphala and doesn't overlap

with the other.

> 4) One may comment upon any other noticeable features one comes

across.

> 5) All of us may solve the puzzle in comforts of home and post the

answers alongwith technical reasons. There will be no restriction on

techniques / tools used.

> 6) Gurus too may please participate. This will help us learn

different approaches. I do appreciate Narasimha who attempts such

puzzles with great zeal.

> 7) Finally, after one weak, the facts will be revealed by the

member posting the chart and others will be free to post-mortem it

astrologically.

>

> To start with I am posting the birth data of one female native

(chart attached) :

> Name : XYZ

> Date of Birth : April 20, 1972

> Time of Birth : 10:37 AM

> Place of Birth : Mumbai / Bombay (India) ( 72E50 ; 18N58 ;

+ 5:30 Hrs.)

>

> Now you are required to answer the following :

>

> General Queries :

> 1) Comment on her 'educational achievements'.

> She had to discontinue her studies after matriculation. See 5th

lord in Rasi, Navamsa and D-24. In D-24 it is in the 12th with

illiterate debilitated Saturn. It was dasa of Saturn.

> 2) Comment on her 'profession' and ' financial status'.

> She is a film actress not in much limelight now. She is known for

exposure and erotic dances etc. See the influence of Moon and Venus

on Lagna and 10th from Rasi, Navamsa, D-10 and D-60 too. Read D-60 as

Rasi chart. Moon and Venus aspect the Lagna in D-9 and D-60 both. See

that four out of seven major planets are in the Nakshatras of Moon

and Venus.

> Her financial status is, naturally, excellent. She is a

multimillionaire, investing in and financing many projects. See Rasi,

Navamsa and D-4. See 2nd house and different rajayogas. Probe deeper

and you will see a clear pattern for prosperity. Can you see why it

materialized with the onset of Mercury dasa ?

>

> Time Specific Queries :

> 1) Evaluate Mercury (Vimshottari) dasa for marital life /

relationship.

> She is unmarried yet, atleast officially. See proximity of Venus

and Mars in Rasi and Navamsa. It tells a lot about relationships. See

how Venus, Mars and 7th lord are influencing Mercury from 10th house

in Rasi and Navamsa .

> 2) She had suffered due to some accident in Mercury dasa. Point out

which Antardasa or 'Year of her life'.

> She had suffered due to fracture in left leg in Venus sub period. A

steel rod had to be inserted. See proximity of Venus and Mars in the

12th in Rasi. Try to see in Navamsa too.

> Note : Those using other dasas can give their interpretations based

on respective dasas, but for almost the same time-span.

> Note : Using other techniques like Astakvarga, Special Ascendants,

Special Purpose Dasas etc. will throw further light on the issue.

Calculate Astakvarga for Rasi chart only.

>

> All of you are required to opine on proposed new ( better say

refined ) strategy.

> Comment of Narasimha is good, we must give some events for

rectification too. Now others are requested to post similar puzzles

and their analysis on this puzzle.

>

> Praveen Kumar (Mumbai)

[Guest guest]

Namaste Praveen ji,

 

Even though you were being nice to me personally, you made the following remark on other gurus:

 

> > > Among those attempted, Narasimha may be said to be nearest.> > > Among

Gurus, he was the only one who dared to attempt it.

I responded:

 

> > Some gurus do attempt puzzles here. If they leave a puzzle, it

> > can be because they suspect the correctness of the data or simply

> > don't have time. In any case, "dare" is a somewhat inappropriate

> > word in this context.

 

You conceded:

 

> I too feel that 'dared' word was not appropriate and I am really very

> sorry for that. However, I do admit that it was not unintentional.

It could've been over there. But you continued further and lectured on the value

of attempting blind puzzles vs postmortems in known cases. That was quite

uneeded, as there was no disagreement.

 

You went on and on and did some marketing for Sri K.N. Rao:

 

> I have had very frustrating experience with many 'big astrologers'

> when they tried to read a chart without knowing about the person

> concerned. I was satisfied only (among those I have seen personally)

> with the working style of Shri K.N.Rao and found him remarkably

> accurate most of the times. I do advocate his approach for everyone

> genuienly interested in astrolgy and for its cause.

 

This forum is not for marketing any particular astrologer. I take exception to

this blatant marketing. If you dismiss other astrologers and try to promote

K.N. Rao, some other people who had poor predictions from Sri K.N. Rao may also

speak out. Rest assured that there will always be two sides of the coin. But I

don't want all those bickerings and promotions here. So please maintain the

academic spirit here.

 

If you had genuine intentions in this whole puzzle exercise, you would've given

some feedback on the additional comments I made on the puzzle chart using

Shodasottari dasa. You completely ignored them. Any feedback and further

analysis on my comments would've been more welcome, than this blatant marketing

exercise.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha