Something Still Amiss!!!

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Chandrashekhar and List,

 

Greetings to you all!

 

First, I must say, I agree with you on the main theme of your post

about inadequate data leading to inaccurate prediction and

predictions going awry etc. etc. However, there are number of issues

I must clarify with you with reference to your response to my posting.

 

Shri Chandrashekhar, you simply have failed to capture the spirit of

my INQUIRY! Yes, it's piteous if one is unable to perceive the

INTENT of another. If you had understood rightly my post, you would

have realized that I was QUESTIONING the efficacy of the numerous

techniques the learned astrologers on this list employ and propagate,

and the need to PREDICT as an integral part to the study of astrology

especially Jyotish. I am not sure if you concur with me on this.

 

I would go a step further to what you have rightly pointed out; that

is, the degree of sophistication astrology has attained in its

principles and techniques are yet to be matched by number of

mainstream "sciences" in vogue like sociology, psychology,

humanism, economics, and meteorology to name a few. The aforesaid

behavioral sciences are currently at the infancy stage of

development. FYKI, the science of western medicine which is no more

than 160 years, is in no better position either, coz' you cannot

do away with assumptions and guesswork (Intuition???) in the critical

and primary area of diagnosis, and more so the same going awry. I

mean the diagnosis failing is very much inherent in medicine.

 

But what I am intrigued about is the reluctance demonstrated by the

leading astrologers on this esteemed list to actually predict; it is

not very much the issue of predictions failing but the failure to

predict is what piqued my curiosity. In fact on a study list like

this it is imperative for the leaders on this list to predict by way

of guiding newcomers like myself to Jyotish. But to my utter dismay

that has not been the case here on this list!

 

To cite an example, no one on this list did predict the Columbia

shuttle disaster but just after it had happened, I see countless post-

mortem analysis on the said disaster. Now this to me is sheer humbug!

There were even few who said that the muhurta for the Columbia launch

was ominous; this is a bad joke, to say the least. Anyone can say

anything after an event has occurred and to me that is not Jyotish

and if you think otherwise then good luck to you.

 

I can go on and on in this regard coz' none of the leading

astrologers on this list is inclined nor interested in predicting on

a regular basis as a way of teaching this noble science to novice

like myself, and I am not being disrespectful in expressing it in

this posting. Of late there have been numerous historical and very

significant events across the globe of incredible magnitude, but

strangely whilst somehow or rather, everyone especially the learned

astrologers on this list has miss predicting it altogether, now that

is somewhat ludicrous to me when Jyotish is acclaimed and renowned

for its predictive accuracy and prowess.

 

Shri Chandrashekhar, it is certainly not my intention to be

condescending or to make derogatory remark/s when I am questioning

these things and to the best of my knowledge I never have been. Since

I have decided to pursue Jyotish seriously, I need to be objective

and impassive in doing so, which fortunately has been part of my

professional training, and providentially I have acquired this

approach in the US.

 

[shri Chandrashekhar] I am really curious about % accuracy of public

predictions made by Non Indian aastrologers. Cheiro failed

consistently in the later part of his life and was hounded by his

clients. Surprisingly no western astrologer wants to remember this.

 

Here again you have failed to see that your above inquiry and Indian

astrologers making a boo-boo are not in any way related. It is not so

much the percentage of accuracy of public predictions made by non-

Indian astrologers employing either sidereal or tropical zodiac or

for that matter Cheiro' s woes that is our subject matter here

but my inquiry has been WHY exalted Jyotishis across India and on

this esteemed list had failed miserably in this case. I suppose this

entails for a post-mortem!

 

My warmest regards and best wishes to all on the list!

 

Thank you,

 

Anupama

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Anupama,

> You have probably not read my earlier posts. Predictions are based

on relevant data. If the data used for prediction is wrong, the

predictions could go awry. Again , in a predictive science an element

of error is always existant. You should see meterological deptt.'s

attempts at predictions with all the data imaginable available to

them in this century. If you are from India you must remember

prediction of typhoon like conditions on Mumbai coast and predictions

of its entering Mumbai and then Gujarat. It never happened though the

Satellite pictures showed such conditions developing near the coast.

> This does not mean predictions should not be made , specially on a

study list. It is easy to make part derogatory comments on others

when they fail.

> I am really curious about % accuracy of public predictions made by

Non Indian aastrologers. Cheiro failed consistently in the later part

of his life and was hounded by his clients. Surprisingly no western

astrologer wants to remember this.

> By the way, I should make it clear that I had not made any

prediction on the outcome of cricket match and am unbiased.

> Chandrashekhar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Anupama,

If I may add my two bits worth, reference to cheiro and western astrology arose

as, some others on the list were saying about failure of Indian Astrologers. In

a science which is predictive, whether it comes from east or west should not

matter. Even your reply speaks of having aquired being objective and impassive

as a part of your training in the US.

This means that these are the attributes of Americans, solely. I do not

to this view of thinking, specially the objectyive thinkers that rule

that country tells India to solve attack on their people by another country

through dialogue and in the same breath declare war on two countries one of

which is even not at war with them. The predictions of these objective and

impassive persons re. Iraq war and what is happening on the ground is for all

the world to see.

By the way, let me make it clear that I was not one of those who made the

predictions about cricket match. I just do not like people with bias

criticising others, without themselves trying to put their neck on line. This

does not mean you, lest you misunderstand.

If you feel I have hurt anybody by being blunt, I beg everybody's pardon in

advance as that is not my intention.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Sanjay Rath

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:21 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Something Still Amiss!!!

 

~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya~Dear Anupama,

 

Is this a general discussion list or one for learning?? I thought this was for

discussions and sharing of views. Predictions are normally made in articles

that are published in print or web at least. Secondly, nobody can make

consistently accurate predictions all the time. We all have our pitfalls.

 

I do understand your point for the need to have a higher success rate and to

sharpen our predictive tools. I have suffered quite a bit in government due to

some predctions. Now that I am out, I can say so frankly. Everyone does not

take these in the right spirit and the astrologer has to couch his words to

ensure that no one is coming for his blood. Nostradamus was no exception

spending years in pleasing the church.

 

Nice point about post mortem - i agree as this is the best way to learn. See the

tools used. Pearl has used the Arudha which I have employed so often to find the

right results. In her analysis of England vs Ireland she takes the 'favorites'

to be the Lagna. Now that is not logical and if she has got 80% success, then

her guess on choosing the lagna as the 'favorite' has been right 80% of the

time. If she were to add a simple check of the navamsa, then the accuracy would

improve. I don't have a copy of the mails from Narasimha on the predictions, do

forward them and we can start the post mortem.

With best regards & have a nice day,Sanjay

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- anupama888

vedic astrology

Saturday, March 29, 2003 2:04 PM

[vedic astrology] Something Still Amiss!!!

I can go on and on in this regard coz' none of the leading astrologers on this

list is inclined nor interested in predicting on a regular basis as a way of

teaching this noble science to novice like myself, and I am not being

disrespectful in expressing it in this posting. Of late there have been

numerous historical and very significant events across the globe of incredible

magnitude, but strangely whilst somehow or rather, everyone especially the

learned astrologers on this list has miss predicting it altogether, now that is

somewhat ludicrous to me when Jyotish is acclaimed and renowned for its

predictive accuracy and prowess.Shri Chandrashekhar, it is certainly not my

intention to be condescending or to make derogatory remark/s when I am

questioning these things and to the best of my knowledge I never have been.

Since I have decided to pursue Jyotish seriously, I need to be objective and

impassive in doing so, which fortunately has been part of my professional

training, and providentially I have acquired this approach in the US. [shri

Chandrashekhar] I am really curious about % accuracy of public predictions made

by Non Indian aastrologers. Cheiro failed consistently in the later part of his

life and was hounded by his clients. Surprisingly no western astrologer wants

to remember this.Here again you have failed to see that your above inquiry and

Indian astrologers making a boo-boo are not in any way related. It is not so

much the percentage of accuracy of public predictions made by non-Indian

astrologers employing either sidereal or tropical zodiac or for that matter

Cheiro' s woes that is our subject matter herebut my inquiry has been WHY

exalted Jyotishis across India and on this esteemed list had failed miserably

in this case. I suppose this entails for a post-mortem!My warmest regards and

best wishes to all on the list!Thank you,Anupama Archives:

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