Left hand,re Rahu disc.-Robert

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Om Namah Shivaya

 

Dear Mr.Robert

Would you be kind enough to explain the meaning of the following

statements of yours.

""In practice, Rahu is rarely of great value

spiritually (being inimical to Sun, Moon, and Jupiter), unless he

becomes the Atmakaraka, or unless he receives the aspect of benefic

Jupiter"".

 

YOu mean if Rahu is not AK, then it is not of great value for

spiritual progress??

 

Regards

partha

 

 

vedic astrology, "Robert A. Koch" <rk@r...>

wrote:

> Harer Nama Eva Kevalam

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

>

> At 08:35 PM 5/2/03 +0000, you wrote:

> >Jaya Jagannatha

> >Dear Sanjay,

> >I saw your earlier post on Rahu, and also this one...can you please

> >tell me how deb. rahu can give spiritual benefits as you have

> >mentioned before..Ive been asking for more info on deb nodes,

> >specifically rahu in sag in this regard, but so far havent found

> >much.

>

> See the Vimsamsa chart of Srila Sridhara Maharaja, and find AK Rahu

in Sag.

> in the 9th house. Note other comments re: debilitated planets in D-

20

> given previously by Sanjay on this as well. My book on Drig dasa

will give

> detailed analysis of Maharaja Sridhara's chart, especially w.r.t.

to

> D-20. The first item of significance is Rahu as AK, and the second

relates

> to debilitation (i.e. humility and surrender) in the chart of

spirituality,

> i.e. D-20. If Rahu is the AK, and is also debilitated, then even

the

> slightest thought of Tamasic activity, never even occurs to the

native in

> whose chart it is found. In practice, Rahu is rarely of great

value

> spiritually (being inimical to Sun, Moon, and Jupiter), unless he

becomes

> the Atmakaraka, or unless he receives the aspect of benefic

Jupiter. In

> that instance, it is like the demon Maya Danava agreeing to help

Pandava

> Maharaja Yudhisthira (a great Krsna Bhakta) by designing and

creating a

> mystic palace complete with illusions to bewilder the King's

> enemies. Another example, is Lord Shiva's drinking the poison when

the

> ocean of milk was churned. Lord Shiva, being assigned rulership of

the

> Tamo-guna, offers purification to those of demonic temperament,

although

> simultaneously He does not become contaminated by their association.

>

> All the best,

> Hare Krsna,

> Robert

>

> PS Bhakti Rakshaka Sridhara deva Goswami:

>

> Oct. 12, 1895

> 23:38 LMT

> Mayapur, West Bengal, India

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

> http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

> Ph: 541.318.0248

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Jaya Jagannatha

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Partha,

V.partha sarathy wrote:

Om Namah Shivaya

Dear Mr.Robert

Would you be kind enough to explain the meaning of the following statements of yours.

""In practice, Rahu is rarely of great value spiritually (being inimical to Sun,

Moon, and Jupiter), unless he becomes the Atmakaraka, or unless he receives the

aspect of benefic Jupiter"".

YOu mean if Rahu is not AK, then it is not of great value for spiritual progress??

Regards

partha

Yes to the above. Now add debilitated Rahu when he becomes conducive to spiritual

progress.

Best wishes, Swee

swee (AT) brihapati (DOT) net

www.brihaspati.net

vedic astrology, "Robert A. Koch" <rk@r...> wrote:

Harer Nama Eva Kevalam

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Lakshmi,

At 08:35 PM 5/2/03 +0000, you wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Sanjay,

I saw your earlier post on Rahu, and also this one...can you please

tell me how deb. rahu can give spiritual benefits as you have

mentioned before..Ive been asking for more info on deb nodes,

specifically rahu in sag in this regard, but so far havent found

much.

See the Vimsamsa chart of Srila Sridhara Maharaja, and find AK Rahu

in Sag.

in the 9th house. Note other comments re: debilitated planets in D-

20

given previously by Sanjay on this as well. My book on Drig dasa

will give

detailed analysis of Maharaja Sridhara's chart, especially w.r.t.

to

D-20. The first item of significance is Rahu as AK, and the second

relates

to debilitation (i.e. humility and surrender) in the chart of

spirituality,

i.e. D-20. If Rahu is the AK, and is also debilitated, then even

the

slightest thought of Tamasic activity, never even occurs to the

native in

whose chart it is found. In practice, Rahu is rarely of great

value

spiritually (being inimical to Sun, Moon, and Jupiter), unless he

becomes

the Atmakaraka, or unless he receives the aspect of benefic

Jupiter. In

that instance, it is like the demon Maya Danava agreeing to help

Pandava

Maharaja Yudhisthira (a great Krsna Bhakta) by designing and

creating a

mystic palace complete with illusions to bewilder the King's enemies. Another

example, is Lord Shiva's drinking the poison when

the

ocean of milk was churned. Lord Shiva, being assigned rulership of

the

Tamo-guna, offers purification to those of demonic temperament,

although

simultaneously He does not become contaminated by their association.

All the best,

Hare Krsna,

Robert

PS Bhakti Rakshaka Sridhara deva Goswami:

Oct. 12, 1895

23:38 LMT

Mayapur, West Bengal, India

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

Ph: 541.318.0248

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Om Vishnave Namah

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Dear Partha,

 

Thank you for your question:

 

At 11:23 AM 5/3/03 +0000, you wrote:

>Om Namah Shivaya

>

>Dear Mr.Robert

>Would you be kind enough to explain the meaning of the following

>statements of yours.

>""In practice, Rahu is rarely of great value

>spiritually (being inimical to Sun, Moon, and Jupiter), unless he

>becomes the Atmakaraka, or unless he receives the aspect of benefic

>Jupiter"".

>

>YOu mean if Rahu is not AK, then it is not of great value for

>spiritual progress??

 

This is a good question, and thus my original statement needs some

elaboration. Generally, of course, Tamasic Rahu is too disturbing in the

life of the native who chooses the path to tapasya, sadhana, sense control,

and worship of a Deity/Guru. Rahu himself sought licentiously to drink

the Amrta which belonged to the Devas, and thus embodies the full gamut of

compulsions in human beings bent on fulfillment of desire without the

sanction of Dharma and shastras. Thus, during dasas of Rahu *generally* a

person is too disturbed by the currents of Tamo-guna to assume the sattvic

tapasya of spiritual life.

 

If Rahu is the Atmakaraka, this is another matter. The Atma is pure and

free from material contamination. Thus if Rahu assumes the role of Chara

Atmakaraka, then nothing is left in the mind and heart of the person to

incline him toward Rajas and Tamas. I have written a book on Drig dasa

(soon to be published), in which I gave an analysis of several charts of

great, renowned saints, who had Rahu as the Atmakaraka. In this role, not

to speak of Tamo-guna, the idea of fulfillment of a desire separate from

God, does not occur in the mind of that soul. Even in such charts,

however, Rahu's placement is crucial too as an illustration of how much

suffering the native must undergo before the spiritual path becomes open to

him.

 

Sometimes we have special Chaya Graha Raja-yogas, in which lords of trines

join in kendras with the Rahu, and vice versa. These can give

spirituality, certainly, although there are some distinctions as to what

effects the dasa of Rahu will give, as opposed to effects the other planet

will give, and these were elaborated on yesterday by Sanjay Rath. By

itself, Rahu in the 5th, gives many problems with education and

intelligence, personal affairs, and confusion regarding the native's belief

structure, the ability to follow moral principles, who or what to believe,

who to follow, etc. Sanjay pointed out too, that Rahu in the 9th sits in

Marana karaka sthana, thus spoiling the 9th house as well as whatever other

houses it rules (by way of rulership of Aquarius). As the Sun purifies

even the most contaminated things, similarly Jupiter's aspect onto Rahu

corrects and reforms the native, but does not yield spirituality in and of

itself. Finally, from my personal observance of native's suffering under

Rahu's dasa, they will turn to God as a result of life's vexations, but

only then when other yogas apply for spirituality, i.e. Laksmi yoga,

Tapasvi yoga, Kalpadruma yoga, Dharma-karmadhipati yoga, etc., and there

are many others too.

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

Ph: 541.318.0248

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Dear Robert Prabhu(this sounds better the Robert Ji,Special thanks to Sudarsan

Ji,)Refer to the following:-'Sometimes we have special Chaya Graha Raja-yogas,

in which lords of trines join in kendras with the Rahu, and vice versa. These

can give spirituality, certainly, although there are some distinctions as to

what effects the dasa of Rahu will give, as opposed to effects the other planet

will give, and these were elaborated on yesterday by Sanjay Rath.'

For Aries Lagna,lagna/9th lord(mars/jup) are in 7th house with rahu.Do we say

this will start giving its material and spiritual gains with the dasa of

Mangal from 2015 even though it is in maranakarkasthana(AK).

Secondly what Rahu gives in the start of its dasa from 2022,it takes back at the

end of the dasa in 2040.In this case it may give more material and spiritual

gains which may be taken away due to death or retirement/old age senility by

the end of Rahu dasa.

But what type of Spiritual gains will Mangal and Rahu give?

 

With regards,

Jagmeet

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Jagmeet,

Namaste -

At 08:13 PM 5/3/03 -0400, you wrote:

Refer to the following:-

'Sometimes we have special Chaya Graha Raja-yogas,

in which lords of trines join in kendras with the Rahu, and vice

versa. These can give spirituality, certainly, although there

are some distinctions as to what effects the dasa of Rahu will give, as

opposed to effects the other planet will give, and these were elaborated

on yesterday by Sanjay Rath.'

For Aries Lagna,lagna/9th lord(mars/jup) are in 7th house with

rahu.Do we say this will start giving its material and spiritual

gains with the dasa of Mangal from 2015 even though it is in

maranakarkasthana(AK).

Secondly what Rahu gives in the start of its dasa from 2022,it takes back

at the end of the dasa in 2040.In this case it may give more material and

spiritual gains which may be taken away due to death or retirement/old

age senility by the end of Rahu dasa.

But what type of Spiritual gains will Mangal and Rahu

give?

Based on what you wrote above, certain facts would have to be known in

the matter of when the dasa-phala will arrive. First, take

note that with AK in the 7th house, there is a Vipareet Ayur Yoga (AK in

1,7, 3, and 9 causes this), which reverses the Ayus Khanda (term of

longevity) by reducing it one term. Since I do not know the birth

date, I cannot tell just how far (in years) longevity is reduced

to.

Second point is, that Raja-yoga forming in the 7th house, fructifies

in the old age. Taking an average old age period from 70 and

beyond (which is the natural age of Saturn), we would have to say, that

the spiritual benefits of the yoga would manifest after that time,

especially if Jupiter's dasa operates after age 70. This is

because Jupiter rules the 9th house, and the effects of the 9th lord

(average, or general effects) also operate in the old age. Since

the period of Mars operates much earlier in life, before the natural

period of Saturn (renunciation), then we would have to conclude that

Mangala's dasa, and probably Rahu's also, would yield the expected

material benefits.

Anyway, exactly what is old age for a Vipareet Ayur yoga chart

without a birth date (for me anyway), would differ from the average old

age, as the lifetime naturally is much shorter.

OK, more on all of this later..........(tell me the birth

date)!

Regards,

Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com>

and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com

or

Ph: 541.318.0248

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Dear Robert Prabhu,

The chart is attached.Also please see if my longevity calculation is correct.

I have used Sanjay Ji's 'Longevity'article from his website for calculations.

Method of the three lords:

1)Lagna lord in Kendra-Long

8th lord in kendra-Long

10th lord in Panpara-Middle

2)Lagna,8th lord fiends to Sun-Long

10th lord enemy-short

3)Lagna,8th lord in Sama rasi-middle

10th lord in enemy rasi-short

4)Lagna and 8th lord in enemy rasi-short

10th lord in enemy rasi short

So over all it is Long/Long/Long/Short.Therefore Long life.

Method of three pairs:

Rudra-venus(Body destroyer)

Maheswara-Venus(Soul Liberator)

In view of above Venus is a strong maraka and an imp planet and also it shows

the Ista Devata in Navamsa.

Brahma-Jupiter

1)Lagna lord and 8th Lord same therefore see Lagna and 2nd lord-both in movable-long life

2)Lagna and Hora Lagna lords in movable-Long Life

3)Sat in Fixed-Moon in Movable-Middle Life

Therefore long life as per the method of three pairs.

As per Step 7 of the above article,Compartment increase/decrease as per jup/sat

association and posn.given in standard texts.I haven't understood how this

works. As Jupiter is Brahama and is with AK in 7th house it ,does it cancel the

Vipareeta Ayur Yoga?

As per Step 8, AK Mars in 7th,therefore Vipareeta Ayur Yoga.

My understanding-Long-middle-short-long.Therefore life expectancy is middle life (36-72)

With regards,

Jagmeet

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