Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura - Gauranga

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Dear Gauranga prabhu,

 

Hare Krsna - thank you for further explanations re: Mayavadi bhasya, that

we've been laboring over this week.

 

I appreciated getting the chart of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura,

the great diksa guru of Srila Prabhupada. Thanks for sending that. I have

a couple of points and a question, to initiate some dialogue:

 

* The chart reflects the incredible levels of Tapasya in Srila

Bhaktisiddhanta, by way of Tapasvi yoga forming in kendras (i.e.

Venus/Saturn in 7, and Ketu in the 4th). The Parivraja yoga also exists

too, with the lord of Moon sign Mercury (as AK) being conjoined with

Saturn. Most Jyotish books, however, particularly those of B.V, Raman,

state that if (a) other planets too aspect the Shubha pati; and (b) if

Shubha-pati [lord of Moon sign] is combust, then Sannyasa does not occur in

full. Of course, we know, that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta was the greatest

Sannyasi of his time, being a Naistiki brahmacari his whole life. So,

with this, some modifications of the rules being taught, may have to be

introduced (I am going to make note of it in my book).

 

* In my studies with charts of Vaishnavas, I've seen that they take birth

frequently on either of Panchami or Trayodasi Tithis (ruled by Jupiter), or

on Navami Tithi (ruled by Sun), most frequently too, it is in the Krishna

Paksa, as evidenced in the charts of Srila Prabhupada, Srila Sridhara

Maharaja, and now Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. Sri Krsna too appeared during K8

tithi. Also Sun or Moon (Rama and Krsna) is most frequently the

Ishta-devata, while Cancer rising also appears a lot. Just a bit of

observation.

 

* Guru-Mangala, Gaja-Kesari, Laksmi, and Dhama-karmadhipati yogas are

incredible in this chart. Yoga-karaka Mars in the 9th vis a vis Jupiter

and Moon, certainly illustrates the great scholarship and fierceness of his

defense of Vaishnava principles a la Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and which

thus earned him the nickname of "Lion Guru".

 

* Finally, how would you interpret the emphasis of planets in 3rd and 7th

houses, in light of great spirituality?

 

Best wishes,

Robert

 

PS Do you have any specific event data on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta? This

would be most helpful in illustrating Drig dasa by way of his

chart. Thanks....

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

Ph: 541.318.0248

[Guest guest]

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Gauranga Das Prabhu and Robert Prabhu,

 

Dandavats!

 

I have the time of birth of HH Srila Bhakthi Siddhantha as 3:30 PM as

given by HG RupaVilasa Dasa in his book "Ray of Vishnu". Just wanted

to provide this info.

 

Hare Krishna

 

Sudharsan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Robert A. Koch" <rk@r...>

wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Dear Gauranga prabhu,

>

> Hare Krsna - thank you for further explanations re: Mayavadi

bhasya, that

> we've been laboring over this week.

>

> I appreciated getting the chart of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati

Thakura,

> the great diksa guru of Srila Prabhupada. Thanks for sending

that. I have

> a couple of points and a question, to initiate some dialogue:

>

> * The chart reflects the incredible levels of Tapasya in Srila

> Bhaktisiddhanta, by way of Tapasvi yoga forming in kendras (i.e.

> Venus/Saturn in 7, and Ketu in the 4th). The Parivraja yoga also

exists

> too, with the lord of Moon sign Mercury (as AK) being conjoined

with

> Saturn. Most Jyotish books, however, particularly those of B.V,

Raman,

> state that if (a) other planets too aspect the Shubha pati; and (b)

if

> Shubha-pati [lord of Moon sign] is combust, then Sannyasa does not

occur in

> full. Of course, we know, that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta was the

greatest

> Sannyasi of his time, being a Naistiki brahmacari his whole life.

So,

> with this, some modifications of the rules being taught, may have

to be

> introduced (I am going to make note of it in my book).

>

> * In my studies with charts of Vaishnavas, I've seen that they take

birth

> frequently on either of Panchami or Trayodasi Tithis (ruled by

Jupiter), or

> on Navami Tithi (ruled by Sun), most frequently too, it is in the

Krishna

> Paksa, as evidenced in the charts of Srila Prabhupada, Srila

Sridhara

> Maharaja, and now Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. Sri Krsna too appeared

during K8

> tithi. Also Sun or Moon (Rama and Krsna) is most frequently the

> Ishta-devata, while Cancer rising also appears a lot. Just a bit

of

> observation.

>

> * Guru-Mangala, Gaja-Kesari, Laksmi, and Dhama-karmadhipati yogas

are

> incredible in this chart. Yoga-karaka Mars in the 9th vis a vis

Jupiter

> and Moon, certainly illustrates the great scholarship and

fierceness of his

> defense of Vaishnava principles a la Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and

which

> thus earned him the nickname of "Lion Guru".

>

> * Finally, how would you interpret the emphasis of planets in 3rd

and 7th

> houses, in light of great spirituality?

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> PS Do you have any specific event data on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta?

This

> would be most helpful in illustrating Drig dasa by way of his

> chart. Thanks....

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

> http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

> Ph: 541.318.0248

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sudarshan,

Namaskara -

At 09:52 PM 5/3/03 +0000, you wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Gauranga Das Prabhu and Robert Prabhu,

Dandavats!

I have the time of birth of HH Srila Bhakthi Siddhantha as 3:30 PM as

given by HG RupaVilasa Dasa in his book "Ray of Vishnu". Just

wanted

to provide this info.

Yes, I was quoted that time of birth Srila Bhaktisiddhanta before, but

doubted it. Generally, we tend to doubt birth times that are right

on the hour or half hour, especially those which are old time and for

which LMT was used also. The time that Gauranga prabhu provided is

indeed rectified, and much closer to correctness, in my opinion.

However, I have turned the time back to 15:47:37, as this brings

the Navamsa and Dasamsa, as well as D-20 and D-24 lagnas into correctness

(in my opinion). Cancer should rise in Navamsa (for reasons

which will be given later if we go into a deeper study of this chart),

and Pisces should rise in Dasamsa. Taurus and Virgo respectively,

appear to be correct for lagnas in D-20 and D-24. D-24 is

especially important in Srila Thakura's case, as he was an intellectual

giant and considered one of the greatest Vedic scholars of the 20th

century. He was also a past-master at Jyotish, although

toward the mid to late periods of life, gave it up in favor of full,

unalloyed devotion to Sri Krsna.

One interesting observation relates to the D-20: Therein, Srila

Thakura has the 4th from AK (for spontaneous devotion), and the 9th from

Paka lagna (for intellectual leanings in spirituality), both ruled by a

strong Saturn. While, according to the principles of Shad-Darshana

(six Vedic philosophical schools), Saturn rules the yoga process, in the

charts of Vaishnavas, it especially represents Bhakti-yoga. So this

applies verbatim in his D-20 chart. Anyway, there is much more, but

I will leave the rest of later, when/if interested arises.

Best wishes,

Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit

<http://www.robertkoch.com>

and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com

or

Ph: 541.318.0248

[Guest guest]

Dear Robert,

 

I'm happy to see your comments on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja.

I have not so good news for your rectification of the birthtime though.

Sorry. Indeed the time of 3:30 pm was given. The problem is that Gauranga

Prabhu put in the wrong coordinates for Puri. Before more mistakes are

made, here are the correct coordinates for Puri: 85E51, 19N48. This is the

value of Parasara's Light atlas. My atlas book gives 85E58, 19N50.

 

However, look at the coordinates in Gauranga's attachment, they're wrong.

 

I attached the file I have for Thakur Maharaja.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotisha

http://www.radhadesh.com

Attachment: (APPLICATION/octet-stream) Bhaktisiddhanta.jhd [not stored]

[Guest guest]

Dear Dhira-Krsna,

 

Dandavats -

 

At 07:10 PM 5/4/03 +0200, you wrote:

>Dear Robert,

>

>I'm happy to see your comments on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja.

>I have not so good news for your rectification of the birthtime though.

>Sorry. Indeed the time of 3:30 pm was given. The problem is that Gauranga

>Prabhu put in the wrong coordinates for Puri. Before more mistakes are

>made, here are the correct coordinates for Puri: 85E51, 19N48. This is the

>value of Parasara's Light atlas. My atlas book gives 85E58, 19N50.

 

Yes, yes I know, and too adjusted the coordinates using ACS Atlas. The

Longitude and Latitude I was using are exactly the same as yours. My

rectifications were based on a logical determination of the right lagnas

for D-9, D-10, D-20, and D-24.

 

Best regards,

Robert

 

 

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

Ph: 541.318.0248

[Guest guest]

I know I have inundated you box with this stuff...but didn't you explain to me

that you have a great fondness for Srila Bhaktisidhanta in general??...thought

I would keep you posted as the topic develops....love mmdd

 

PS interesting stuff in the last Paragraph...the stuff on SATURN!!!!,,,,lol

-

Robert A. Koch

vedic astrology

Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:03 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura - Gauranga

Om Gurave NamahDear Sudarshan, Namaskara - At 09:52 PM 5/3/03 +0000, you wrote:

Jaya JagannathaDear Gauranga Das Prabhu and Robert Prabhu,Dandavats!I have the

time of birth of HH Srila Bhakthi Siddhantha as 3:30 PM as given by HG

RupaVilasa Dasa in his book "Ray of Vishnu". Just wanted to provide this

info.Yes, I was quoted that time of birth Srila Bhaktisiddhanta before, but

doubted it. Generally, we tend to doubt birth times that are right on the hour

or half hour, especially those which are old time and for which LMT was used

also. The time that Gauranga prabhu provided is indeed rectified, and much

closer to correctness, in my opinion. However, I have turned the time back to

15:47:37, as this brings the Navamsa and Dasamsa, as well as D-20 and D-24

lagnas into correctness (in my opinion). Cancer should rise in Navamsa (for

reasons which will be given later if we go into a deeper study of this chart),

and Pisces should rise in Dasamsa. Taurus and Virgo respectively, appear to be

correct for lagnas in D-20 and D-24. D-24 is especially important in Srila

Thakura's case, as he was an intellectual giant and considered one of the

greatest Vedic scholars of the 20th century. He was also a past-master at

Jyotish, although toward the mid to late periods of life, gave it up in favor

of full, unalloyed devotion to Sri Krsna. One interesting observation relates

to the D-20: Therein, Srila Thakura has the 4th from AK (for spontaneous

devotion), and the 9th from Paka lagna (for intellectual leanings in

spirituality), both ruled by a strong Saturn. While, according to the

principles of Shad-Darshana (six Vedic philosophical schools), Saturn rules the

yoga process, in the charts of Vaishnavas, it especially represents Bhakti-yoga.

So this applies verbatim in his D-20 chart. Anyway, there is much more, but I

will leave the rest of later, when/if interested arises. Best wishes,Robert

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Patraka prabhu,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

I have adjusted the birth info according to your proposal, Please see the

attached chart. I have corrected the birth time as given by you and the

coordinates also as given by you. I also adjusted local time which was 5.43

east of GMT at that longitude. Howevre using this chart I son't get the

lagnas in D-charts that you get. D-24 Lagna is Gemini. D-20 lagna is

Aquarius, and Navamsa lagna is also Gemini. In fact, even Rasi lagna changes

to Gemini. Did I do something wrong? Please

open the attached chart and enlighten me.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

gauranga

Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

 

-

"Robert A. Koch" <rk

<vedic astrology>

Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:19 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura -

Gauranga

 

 

> Dear Dhira-Krsna,

>

> Dandavats -

>

> At 07:10 PM 5/4/03 +0200, you wrote:

> >Dear Robert,

> >

> >I'm happy to see your comments on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja.

> >I have not so good news for your rectification of the birthtime though.

> >Sorry. Indeed the time of 3:30 pm was given. The problem is that Gauranga

> >Prabhu put in the wrong coordinates for Puri. Before more mistakes are

> >made, here are the correct coordinates for Puri: 85E51, 19N48. This is

the

> >value of Parasara's Light atlas. My atlas book gives 85E58, 19N50.

>

> Yes, yes I know, and too adjusted the coordinates using ACS Atlas. The

> Longitude and Latitude I was using are exactly the same as yours. My

> rectifications were based on a logical determination of the right lagnas

> for D-9, D-10, D-20, and D-24.

>

> Best regards,

> Robert

>

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

> http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

> Ph: 541.318.0248

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

>

> ----

> Legyen on is virusmentes!

> http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,4008,20109,25526/click.prm

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[Guest guest]

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Patraka prabhu,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

 

> Om Gurave Namah

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Dear Gauranga prabhu,

>

> Hare Krsna - thank you for further explanations re: Mayavadi bhasya, that

> we've been laboring over this week.

>

> I appreciated getting the chart of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati

Thakura,

> the great diksa guru of Srila Prabhupada. Thanks for sending that. I

have

> a couple of points and a question, to initiate some dialogue:

>

> * The chart reflects the incredible levels of Tapasya in Srila

> Bhaktisiddhanta, by way of Tapasvi yoga forming in kendras (i.e.

> Venus/Saturn in 7, and Ketu in the 4th). The Parivraja yoga also exists

> too, with the lord of Moon sign Mercury (as AK) being conjoined with

> Saturn. Most Jyotish books, however, particularly those of B.V, Raman,

> state that if (a) other planets too aspect the Shubha pati; and (b) if

> Shubha-pati [lord of Moon sign] is combust, then Sannyasa does not occur

in

> full. Of course, we know, that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta was the greatest

> Sannyasi of his time, being a Naistiki brahmacari his whole life. So,

> with this, some modifications of the rules being taught, may have to be

> introduced (I am going to make note of it in my book).

 

> * In my studies with charts of Vaishnavas, I've seen that they take birth

> frequently on either of Panchami or Trayodasi Tithis (ruled by Jupiter),

or

> on Navami Tithi (ruled by Sun), most frequently too, it is in the Krishna

> Paksa, as evidenced in the charts of Srila Prabhupada, Srila Sridhara

> Maharaja, and now Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. Sri Krsna too appeared during

K8

> tithi. Also Sun or Moon (Rama and Krsna) is most frequently the

> Ishta-devata, while Cancer rising also appears a lot. Just a bit of

> observation.

>

> * Guru-Mangala, Gaja-Kesari, Laksmi, and Dhama-karmadhipati yogas are

> incredible in this chart. Yoga-karaka Mars in the 9th vis a vis Jupiter

> and Moon, certainly illustrates the great scholarship and fierceness of

his

> defense of Vaishnava principles a la Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and which

> thus earned him the nickname of "Lion Guru".

>

> * Finally, how would you interpret the emphasis of planets in 3rd and 7th

> houses, in light of great spirituality?

 

I became confused by your rectification, and can't get the porper lagna now.

After we get the right chart, I cna try to comment.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

gauranga

Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

 

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> PS Do you have any specific event data on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta? This

> would be most helpful in illustrating Drig dasa by way of his

> chart. Thanks....

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> and,

> http://www.jyotishdiscovery.com or

> Ph: 541.318.0248

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

>

> ----

> Legyen on is virusmentes!

> http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,4008,20109,25526/click.prm

>