Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura - Gauranga

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Dear Patraka and Gauranga Prabhu's,

 

>PS Do you have any specific event data on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta? This

> would be most helpful in illustrating Drig dasa by way of his

> chart. Thanks....

 

Here are some life events of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta:

1900 - initiation

1905- took vow to chant 3 lacks of names every day, and in 9 years

he would complete one billion names

June 22nd, 1914 - in Calcutta, his father, Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur left

his body.

19th of Nov, 1915 - his spiritual master leaves the body and is put in

samadhi

Jan 1st 1937 - He leaves his body at 5:30 am.

 

 

Gauranga Prabhu, I think you still have the coordinates wrong in your last

attachment, timezone should also be 5.21, it was Puri LMT.

 

Yours sincerely,

Dhira Krsna dasa

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Jyotisha,

 

Namaste

 

Another corrected chart here. Please verify the coordinates and time zone.

 

Now to the Lagna. This timing given by Patraka prabhu gives Gemini lagna. I

waqs trying to analyse two facts to assure the correct Lagna, Gemini or

Cancer.

 

1. Lifelong celibacy, Sannyasa.

 

Obviously Upapada should indicate this fact. With Gemini Lagna we get

Upapada in Virgo with Gajakesari yoga, but 2nd from it has Ketu while 7th

has Mars. Both are conducive to brahmacarya. Now with Cancer Lagna, UL

shifts to Leo. It has two benefics in the 2nd from it, and 7th house is

empty. This would favour marriage more. So the analysis of the Upapada

points to Gemini Lagna. However, Pravrajya yoga in the 7th wirth Ak

involved, also gives rise to renunciation of marriage. So it's indecisive

for me.

 

2. Srila Prabhupada is his most famous disciple. Srila Prabhupada is

supposed to have Sagittarius or Capricorn lagna (also debated upon). So A5

in Srila Saraswati's chart should be possibly in trines to Sar or Cap. With

this timing we get A5 in Cap, which is also very strong, and in Prabhupada's

chart Cap is aspected by the Sun, and Venus and Merc. are in trines. Now

this would be perfect if Srila Prabhupada's lagan is Capricorn.

With Cancer Lagna for Srila Saraswati we get A5 in Cancer, which is in 7th

from Capricorn, so again it would indicate a shishya with Capricorn Lagna.

Srila Prabhupada's A9 is in Taurus with Sag Lagna. However if we put lagna

into Cap, then A9 falls into Gemini. So from these points it is most likely

that Prabhupada had Capricorn, and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati had

Gemini lagna. Of course other factors were not considered, so I am open to

comments.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

gauranga

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[vedic astrology] Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura -

Gauranga

 

 

> Dear Patraka and Gauranga Prabhu's,

>

> >PS Do you have any specific event data on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta? This

> > would be most helpful in illustrating Drig dasa by way of his

> > chart. Thanks....

>

> Here are some life events of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta:

> 1900 - initiation

> 1905- took vow to chant 3 lacks of names every day, and in 9 years

> he would complete one billion names

> June 22nd, 1914 - in Calcutta, his father, Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur left

> his body.

> 19th of Nov, 1915 - his spiritual master leaves the body and is put in

> samadhi

> Jan 1st 1937 - He leaves his body at 5:30 am.

>

>

> Gauranga Prabhu, I think you still have the coordinates wrong in your last

> attachment, timezone should also be 5.21, it was Puri LMT.

>

> Yours sincerely,

> Dhira Krsna dasa

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sanjay and Gauranga,

 

Pranaams -

 

Yes, at first I too wondered about a strong emphasis in the 7th house for a

life-long celibate like Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. The cross

references you made to Osho's chart were good - this is why I asked

Gauranga, "what did he make of emphasis in 3rd and 7th house for this

personality"? Further, I was seeking some event data on his life in order

to verify the lagna using Drig dasa. If anybody has events, I would

appreciate it.

 

You wrote:

 

> Arudha is important in this samsara and with Mithuna lagna we have Venus

and Mercury in the sixth from AL. This will confirm that he was very

serious about his celebacy. See Prabhupada's chart with Dhanus. This was

the condition which made me accept that as the correct chart. Prabhupada

was serious about his spiritual vows. Of course with Karka lagna this

combination is also in the third house. But why he did not marry with karka

lagna with Venus & Mercury in 7th and UL in Leo? Lord of UL sun would be

strong in kendra with Gajakesari in second from it. With mithuna lagna, the

UL will be in Kanya with gajakesari in it (not adverse to marriage concept)

but lord of UL is AK and is combust..so spirituality shall dominate over

the concept of marriage.

 

My response: But if Gemini is the lagna, then how do your explain benefics

Jupiter and Moon in the UL for life-long Sannyasi?

 

Sanjay, I wanted to comment on the following that you wrote also:

 

>The type of renunciation/celibacy will depend on the signs these Venus &

>Mercury are involved in. Prithvi rasi is good for celibacy but Jala rasi

>is very difficult.

>Robert prabhu, why do you say Cancer for Vaishnava? In fact Cancer is

>specifically related to Shiva worship. If UL is in Cancer, fasting on

>Mondays and worshipping Shiva gives a good spouse. In fact Jagannatha came

>to this samsara as Krishna in Vrisab Lagna. That is why during Kali yuga

>when we do not get good lagna for muhurta we blindly take Vrisab lagna and

>say 'Jaya Jagannath' and start the work.

 

I have two charts of advanced Vaishnavas, that I wished to include my book,

and the lagna for each is Cancer, according to the data I have. In fact,

the Moon rises in Cancer in both cases. Foremost of these two, is that of

Srila Sridhara Maharaja, Prabhupada's godbrother, who was a sannyasi most

of his life, although married earlier on for a brief period. In his chart,

Moon and Jupiter rise in Cancer, with Saturn in 4th in Libra. The lagna is

close to the sandhi, however. Please help me out with this - I want to get

this straight. I will give the data below.

 

Anyway, this brings me to another question: You said in a recent mail,

that if there are benefics, especially Jupiter in lagna, and the lagna is

aspected by a malefic(s), it is the chart of a Vaishnava. This applies

verbatim in the chart of Sridhara Maharaja. It also applies in the chart

of Jayananda prabhu, a godbrother of mine, who started and developed the

first Rathayatra ceremonies of Lord Jagannatha in America. He was not a

Sannyasi, however. Their respective birth data are as follows:

 

Srila Sridhara Goswami

 

October 12, 1895

23:40 LMT

88E11 22N34

 

Jayananda prabhu

 

April 27, 1939

13:01 EST

84W11:30 39N45:32

 

Anyway, I certainly do not want to work with wrong lagnas, so please give

me a hand with these.

 

Best regards,

Robert

 

PS According to Jaimini Sutram 3.1.10, Raja-yoga forming in the 2nd or 8th

house, or 4th and 10th houses, must fructify in the youthful period of

life. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja was not famous or successful in youth

- it was in his old age that he had attained great influence through his

preaching and the formation of the Gaudiya math. This would give

preference to Cancer lagna, wherein emphasis of Raja yogas fall in 1, 7, 3,

and 9, which should fructify in old age.

 

 

 

 

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

So what is the final decision on birth time and langa degree?

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies:

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Sanjay Rath

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Friday, May 09, 2003 11:52 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura - Gauranga

 

 

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Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:56 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE:

[vedic astrology] Re: Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura - Gauranga

Om Gurave NamahDear Sanjay and Gauranga,Pranaams -Yes, at first I too wondered

about a strong emphasis in the 7th house for a life-long celibate like Srila

Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. The cross references you made to Osho's chart were

good - this is why I asked Gauranga, "what did he make of emphasis in 3rd and

7th house for this personality"? Further, I was seeking some event data on

his life in order to verify the lagna using Drig dasa. If anybody has events,

I would appreciate it.[Rath:] Thank you. We need to study this chart in much

greater detail. You wrote:> Arudha is important in this samsara and with

Mithuna lagna we have Venus and Mercury in the sixth from AL. This will confirm

that he was very serious about his celebacy. See Prabhupada's chart with Dhanus.

This was the condition which made me accept that as the correct chart.

Prabhupada was serious about his spiritual vows. Of course with Karka lagna

this combination is also in the third house. But why he did not marry with

karka lagna with Venus & Mercury in 7th and UL in Leo? Lord of UL sun would be

strong in kendra with Gajakesari in second from it. With mithuna lagna, the UL

will be in Kanya with gajakesari in it (not adverse to marriage concept) but

lord of UL is AK and is combust..so spirituality shall dominate over the

concept of marriage.My response: But if Gemini is the lagna, then how do your

explain benefics Jupiter and Moon in the UL for life-long Sannyasi?[Rath:] The

Upapada is seen for attitude towards and the concept of marriage and

renunciation. It is this attitude and concept that brings such relationships in

marriage. The second from Upapada decides as to whether the marriage will occur

at all and for how long - i.e. whether this will be for a moment to many

years. Upapada brings possibilities like say with a Gajakesari yoga in UL many

intelligent bright ladies may have wanted to marry him, and as such he would

understand the need for marriage (Jupiter in UL gives great wisdom in such

matters), purity of marriage (Gajakesari) and need for having progeny for

continuation of life (Jupiter). Yet, he would personally prefer a celibate life

because of the second from UL having its lord as (1) AK..AK always dominates (2)

combustion of AK in the Sun showing the closeness of the begining of the process

of spiritual cleansing in this life..see the degrees carefully (3) Involvement

of 2nd lord from UL in the four planet sanyasa yoga involving Saturn, Ak and

natural AK in the 8th house of renunciation.

[Rath:] You are right in your thinking and doubts about why and how - life long

sanyasa. This would not have occured if the AK was not involved in the

combustion and the 4 -planet yoga as discussed above. We need to weigh options

and then systematically arrive at what shall dominate.Sanjay, I wanted to

comment on the following that you wrote also:>The type of renunciation/celibacy

will depend on the signs these Venus & >Mercury are involved in. Prithvi rasi is

good for celibacy but Jala rasi >is very difficult.>Robert prabhu, why do you

say Cancer for Vaishnava? In fact Cancer is >specifically related to Shiva

worship. If UL is in Cancer, fasting on >Mondays and worshipping Shiva gives a

good spouse. In fact Jagannatha came >to this samsara as Krishna in Vrisab

Lagna. That is why during Kali yuga >when we do not get good lagna for muhurta

we blindly take Vrisab lagna and >say 'Jaya Jagannath' and start the work.I

have two charts of advanced Vaishnavas, that I wished to include my book, and

the lagna for each is Cancer, according to the data I have. In fact, the Moon

rises in Cancer in both cases. Foremost of these two, is that of Srila

Sridhara Maharaja, Prabhupada's godbrother, who was a sannyasi most of his

life, although married earlier on for a brief period. In his chart, Moon and

Jupiter rise in Cancer, with Saturn in 4th in Libra. The lagna is close to the

sandhi, however. Please help me out with this - I want to get this straight. I

will give the data below.[Rath:] The chart of Sri Sridhar Goswami Maharaj has

the Gajakesari in Lagna in which Jupiter shall dominate. I hope you bear in

mind that the SPECIAL Panchottari dasa theme shall apply to this chart. Please

add the meaning of this theme.

[Rath:] Cancer is among the fruitful and very auspicious lagna but is rarely

good for marriage. In many Karka lagna charts you will find serious

difficulties in relationships and marriage. However, that is not the point.

Here the UL and the 2nd are in conflict with Rahu and Jupiter lording them and

UL containing Rahu in 8th house. Thus his experience with marriage would have

not been good and he may have felt cheated. Normally when the 2nd lord is

Jupiter or is strong, such people try their level best to somehow continue the

marriage because of the marriage vows they made (Jupiter) etc. Look at the

chart of Sri Prabhupada with Rahu in UL. When the time for Jupiter came, he

asked 'tea or me' and just imagine the shock he would have got when the spouse

answered 'tea'!!! No matter what anyone tells later, none can cover this shock

treatment meted out to Sri Prabhupada. Now why does this happen? It does so

because the UL is in Kumbha and if Rahu dominates UL, then be sure that the

marriage is living hell.

I can give you one case of Dhanus lagna with Rahu in Kumbha and Jupiter in Mina

and UL in Kumbha and AL in Mina. The actual marriage did not last 4 hours!!!

because the native got 'shock treatment' olf the worst order on the first

night. He ran away home without his wife. Then after one year he filed divorce

and for 12 years this divorce did not come through because the 2nd lord from UL

is strong. In the battle between Rahu and Jupiter, he had another 'secret

marriage' during this period and that secret wife died. He was on the verge of

suicide and came to me with his brother. The question he asked clearly showed

the effect of Rahu...'I have only one question. tell me honestly will I go to

jail, and is my life finished?' Narada pancaratra saved him. In all these cases

you can see the effect of Rahu in UL, and that in Aquarius...the poison in the

Kumbha. Only Shiva can dare to drink it (what does this mean??)

Whenever Rahu torments, either Moon or Jupiter or both should be very strong in the chart.

In the case of both Sri Sridhara Goswami Maharaja and Sri Bhaktivedanta

Prabhupada, Moon was strong (they had the strength to drink the poison and live

to see a brighter day) and Jupiter was exceptionally strong (speaks volumes

about their Diksha Guru).

 

Anyway, this brings me to another question: You said in a recent mail, that if

there are benefics, especially Jupiter in lagna, and the lagna is aspected by a

malefic(s), it is the chart of a Vaishnava. This applies verbatim in the chart

of Sridhara Maharaja. It also applies in the chart of Jayananda prabhu, a

godbrother of mine, who started and developed the first Rathayatra ceremonies

of Lord Jagannatha in America. He was not a Sannyasi, however. Their

respective birth data are as follows:Srila Sridhara GoswamiOctober 12,

189523:40 LMT88E11 22N34Jayananda prabhuApril 27, 193913:01 EST84W11:30

39N45:32Anyway, I certainly do not want to work with wrong lagnas, so please

give me a hand with these.[Rath:] Sri Sridhara Maharaja has Cancer lagna

without doubt. However, I would settle for 11:42' time in view of the Vimsamsa

instead of 11:40'. I don't think the nodes alone will be in the ninth house in

Vimsamsa. Instead, Capricorn (Makara kali yuga rasi) with the Sun & Jupiter in

the ninth are right. You can also see the Shastyamsa..and it will become very

clear with guru in lagna. He was an advanced Guru in the past incarnation and

continued the mission in this incarnation.

Please check the exact lagna cusp of your gurubhai but the principle is correct.

 

Why do you say god brother? He is guru-brother. God is for everybody, Guru is

for you. Thus even the priest in the Jagannath temple at Puri is your God

brother as you and he believe in Jagannath. But Jayananda prabhu and you have

the same Diksha guru, so he is your Guru bhai or Guru brother

[Rath:] If the lagna/lagna lord (you know when to see the latter i.e. when the

lagna is empty) is a natural benefic and is aspected by malefics the native

shall be a vaishnava [who shall be strong in the protection of the goodness

signified by the natural benefic planet against all the evils signified by the

aspecting malefic planets]. If the lagna/lagna lord is a natural malefic and is

aspected by natural benefic planets, then the person is a Shaiva [who shall

destroy all the evil/Tamas indicated by the natural malefic planet because of

the strength of the blessings of the natural benefic planets]. I may add that

such men are fit to be Guru's.

[Rath:] Please all readers, no debate again..remember the prayer we made. Best

regards,RobertPS According to Jaimini Sutram 3.1.10, Raja-yoga forming in the

2nd or 8th house, or 4th and 10th houses, must fructify in the youthful period

of life. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja was not famous or successful in youth

- it was in his old age that he had attained great influence through his

preaching and the formation of the Gaudiya math. This would give preference to

Cancer lagna, wherein emphasis of Raja yogas fall in 1, 7, 3, and 9, which

should fructify in old age.[Rath:] Of course the lagna is Cancer without an

iota of doubt. See Sri Rama jataka for a detailed comparision and the short

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Dear Robert,

 

Hare Krsna!

 

>Further, I was seeking some event data on his life in order

>to verify the lagna using Drig dasa. If anybody has events, I would

>appreciate it.

 

I had already sent some life events data for Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, but

maybe you didn't see it.

 

Here it is again. I hope it will be of some help to you.

 

Here are some life events of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta:

1900 - initiation

1905- took vow to chant 3 lacks of names every day, and in 9 years

he would complete one billion names

June 22nd, 1914 - in Calcutta, his father, Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur left

his body.

19th of Nov, 1915 - his spiritual master leaves the body and is put in

samadhi

Jan 1st 1937 - He leaves his body at 5:30 am.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotisha

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