Birth Time & cutting a nevel to rema ji

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dear remaji,

this was a one of the best quistion i saw put to the

gurus and wise astrologer,

anything and everything around us happenig can not

justify by logic in end we leave it to the will of of

god

or it is not posiible to comprehend all in nature

just by intellect it will bring some quistion at the

last achievement of mind so the self realized soul

dont see any difference in birth and death nither the

celebrate nor they moarn rather live in bliss for ever

if you want to look measure instument for time of

birth i will recomend cry point and may be astrology

will point to that direction too.

dont most of us come here to enjoy on this earth and i

 

bet you we go tru same amount of cring in our lot too.

regards

rajinder

--- Rema Menon <remamenon wrote:

> Namaste Sarajitji and Ramapriyaji,

>

> In continuation with this discussion I have a

> question

> for you.

> What if a baby is born, do not cry, is blue, is

> separated from the mothers body, the umblical cord

> is

> cut and since found not breathing, that means dead,

> set aside as dead, and later after 15 minutes or so.

> resumes the color of living, starts moving and

> crying.

>

>

> What is the actual time of this baby's starting of

> life...the emerging from the mothers body, cutting

> of

> the umblical cord or first breath(cry)?

> The baby in question is/was me.

>

> Thanks, Rema

>

>

>

> --- Ramapriya D <hubli wrote:

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a

> > nevelDear Sarajit,

> >

> > My accent was intended to keep the whole concept

> > simple; it perhaps became too simple, as you say

>

> >

> > Let me try another. Say a lady delivers a baby

> which

> > is dead on arrival. Would or wouldn't you consider

> > it born? I think I'd look obtuse if on the grounds

> > of it not having shrieked I argued that it wasn't

> > born at all. It was born but was born a lemon; too

> > bad. And when was it born? When it physically

> > separated from the inside of its mom. That was my

> > point, notwithstanding it was poorly made

> >

> > Warm regards,

> >

> > Rama

> > hubli

> >

> > -

> > Sarajit Poddar

> > vedic astrology

> > Sunday, May 18, 2003 5:53 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time &

> > cutting a nevel

> >

> >

> > Jaya Jagannath

> > Dear Rama,

> >

> > The logic is brilliant, but not of much utility

> > for Jyotish sake. The definition you gave is again

> > is given not taking Jyotish in mind... Isn't it...

> > Definitions are something which we define, based

> on

> > whatever it should be; its not the definition

> which

> > define what it should be. Yup for a common man

> your

> > definition of birth would suffice. However, what I

> > might say here is that, Cars don't have placenta

> > otherwise if it has any, then obviously you

> couldn't

> > have driven it to your home, as long as the car

> was

> > connected to the delivery showroom with it.

> >

> > Best Wishes

> > Sarajit

> > -

> > Sanjay Rath

> > vedic astrology

> > Sunday, May 18, 2003 7:37 PM

> > RE: [vedic astrology] Birth Time &

> > cutting a nevel

> >

> > Om Brihaspataye namah

> > Dear Rama

> > Simply brilliant analogy..there are somethigns

> > God will always keep in His control.

> > With best wishes

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

>

>

> =====

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>

>

>

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Dear Rema,

 

-

> --- Rema Menon <remamenon > wrote:> > Namaste Sarajitji and

Ramapriyaji,> > > > In continuation with this discussion I have a> > question>

> for you.> > What if a baby is born, do not cry, is blue, is> > separated from

the mothers body, the umblical cord> > is> > cut and since found not breathing,

that means dead,> > set aside as dead, and later after 15 minutes or so.> >

resumes the color of living, starts moving and> > crying.

That'd be good news, I fear

 

> > What is the actual time of this baby's starting of> > life...the emerging

from the mothers body, cutting> > of> > the umblical cord or first breath(cry)?

The actual time of this baby's "starting of life" would be when it emerged from

the mother's baby. It is on its own from that moment onwards. Just because it

couldn't cry as promptly as it should have won't take away from its having been

born already. Anyone will tell you that the first thing a baby does after birth

is cry. Which shouldn't be construed to mean that a baby is born only when it

cries. Crying is the first activity after birth; birth is a mandatory precursor

to crying itself. Unless some kid yells from within, begging to be left out )

 

> > The baby in question is/was me.

Aah! I fear no more )

> > Thanks, Rema

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

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Hi Rajinder,

 

If there was a Most Mystifying Poster poll doing the rounds here, you'd win

hands down, I'm sure. Why don't you make yourself clearer?

 

Ramapriya

hubli

 

-

"Rajinder Nath" <jinderman

<vedic astrology>

Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:18 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a nevel to rema ji

 

 

> dear remaji,

> this was a one of the best quistion i saw put to the

> gurus and wise astrologer,

> anything and everything around us happenig can not

> justify by logic in end we leave it to the will of of

> god

> or it is not posiible to comprehend all in nature

> just by intellect it will bring some quistion at the

> last achievement of mind so the self realized soul

> dont see any difference in birth and death nither the

> celebrate nor they moarn rather live in bliss for ever

> if you want to look measure instument for time of

> birth i will recomend cry point and may be astrology

> will point to that direction too.

> dont most of us come here to enjoy on this earth and i

>

> bet you we go tru same amount of cring in our lot too.

> regards

> rajinder

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Dear Ramapriya,

 

You can put down Rajinder's email to either simply bad

spelling/grammar or an excessive usage of SMS/chat lingo! I suspect

the first reason dominates, :-)

 

But what he says or is trying to say makes good sense to me.

 

regards

Hari

 

vedic astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...>

wrote:

> Hi Rajinder,

>

> If there was a Most Mystifying Poster poll doing the rounds here,

you'd win

> hands down, I'm sure. Why don't you make yourself clearer?

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli@v...

>

> -

> "Rajinder Nath" <jinderman>

> <vedic astrology>

> Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:18 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a nevel to

rema ji

>

>

> > dear remaji,

> > this was a one of the best quistion i saw put to the

> > gurus and wise astrologer,

> > anything and everything around us happenig can not

> > justify by logic in end we leave it to the will of of

> > god

> > or it is not posiible to comprehend all in nature

> > just by intellect it will bring some quistion at the

> > last achievement of mind so the self realized soul

> > dont see any difference in birth and death nither the

> > celebrate nor they moarn rather live in bliss for ever

> > if you want to look measure instument for time of

> > birth i will recomend cry point and may be astrology

> > will point to that direction too.

> > dont most of us come here to enjoy on this earth and i

> >

> > bet you we go tru same amount of cring in our lot too.

> > regards

> > rajinder

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Dear RamaPriyaji,

 

I really wasnt saying that the baby didnot cry, I have

no problem with the cry theory any which way.

 

The baby was born dead, atleast thats what it looked

like, no signs of breathing, and blue in color.

The baby was give a bath for the dead and put on the

floor as a dead baby, one of the mourners noticed the

color change.

 

So here we are not really saying if the crying is to

be noted or not.

 

There is a window of time between the coming of life

to the baby and the emergence of the babies body from

the mothers womb!

 

How do we account for that time?

 

Thanks,

Rema

 

--- Ramapriya D <hubli wrote:

> Dear Rema,

>

> -

> > --- Rema Menon <remamenon wrote:

> > > Namaste Sarajitji and Ramapriyaji,

> > >

> > > In continuation with this discussion I have a

> > question

> > > for you.

> > > What if a baby is born, do not cry, is blue, is

> > > separated from the mothers body, the umblical

> cord

> > > is

> > > cut and since found not breathing, that means

> dead,

> > > set aside as dead, and later after 15 minutes or

> so.

> > > resumes the color of living, starts moving and

> > > crying.

>

> That'd be good news, I fear

>

> > > What is the actual time of this baby's starting

> of

> > > life...the emerging from the mothers body,

> cutting

> > > of

> > > the umblical cord or first breath(cry)?

>

> The actual time of this baby's "starting of life"

> would be when it emerged from the mother's baby. It

> is on its own from that moment onwards. Just because

> it couldn't cry as promptly as it should have won't

> take away from its having been born already. Anyone

> will tell you that the first thing a baby does after

> birth is cry. Which shouldn't be construed to mean

> that a baby is born only when it cries. Crying is

> the first activity after birth; birth is a mandatory

> precursor to crying itself. Unless some kid yells

> from within, begging to be left out )

>

> > > The baby in question is/was me.

>

> Aah! I fear no more )

>

> > > Thanks, Rema

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli

>

 

 

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Rema Menon <remamenon > wrote:

Dear RamaPriyaji,I really wasnt saying that the baby didnot cry, I haveno

problem with the cry theory any which way.The baby was born dead, atleast thats

what it lookedlike, no signs of breathing, and blue in color.The baby was give a

bath for the dead and put on thefloor as a dead baby, one of the mourners

noticed thecolor change.So here we are not really saying if the crying is tobe

noted or not. There is a window of time between the coming of lifeto the baby

and the emergence of the babies body fromthe mothers womb!How do we account for

that time?Thanks,Rema

 

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Dear Rema,

 

My comments under yours...

 

Rema Menon <remamenon > wrote:

Dear RamaPriyaji,I really wasnt saying that the baby didnot cry, I have no

problem with the cry theory any which way.

 

Oh, thou doesn't? Then WTH are we arguing about? )

 

The baby was born dead, atleast thats what it looked like, no signs of

breathing, and blue in color. The baby was give a bath for the dead and put on

the floor as a dead baby, one of the mourners noticed the color change.

Smart mourner. I've heard similar stories of adults too, with corpses sitting up

suddenly and reducing a few others to corpses and all that. At least you lived

to tell this story )

 

So here we are not really saying if the crying is to be noted or not.

 

I dunno at which point you butted into this thread but I'd have believed this

was the core of this goddamned issue here -- whether or not the crying of the

child is to be noted vis-a-vis its time of birth?

There is a window of time between the coming of life to the baby and the

emergence of the babies body from the mothers womb! How do we account for that

time?

 

Account it for what? If you wanna keep a log of events, do so (most peds do).

The point is whether that window has any relevance at all in astro. I've

already repeated my (new-found) stand ad nauseam that a baby is born when it

physically separates from its mom. Whether or not it bawls is another matter

altogether; it's already on its way.

 

That said, I know that modern medical practice may already have rendered my

explanation flawed. But I guess I'll let that wait until someone sets the cat

among the pigeons... ) Thanks,Rema

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

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Hello Rampriya:

 

I've noted you always pick on Rajinder. Ya, his English skills aren't

as good as yours or others on the board BUT he's trying and doing a

decent job of posting some very sensible things. Offcourse, one has

read Rajinder's posts a couple of times to understand what he is

trying to convey, but it's always something deep and sensible.

 

Rajinder is good man, please don't make fun on his English skills.

Bye.

 

Mukund

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...>

wrote:

> Hi Rajinder,

>

> If there was a Most Mystifying Poster poll doing the rounds here,

you'd win

> hands down, I'm sure. Why don't you make yourself clearer?

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli@v...

>

> -

> "Rajinder Nath" <jinderman>

> <vedic astrology>

> Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:18 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a nevel to rema

ji

>

>

> > dear remaji,

> > this was a one of the best quistion i saw put to the

> > gurus and wise astrologer,

> > anything and everything around us happenig can not

> > justify by logic in end we leave it to the will of of

> > god

> > or it is not posiible to comprehend all in nature

> > just by intellect it will bring some quistion at the

> > last achievement of mind so the self realized soul

> > dont see any difference in birth and death nither the

> > celebrate nor they moarn rather live in bliss for ever

> > if you want to look measure instument for time of

> > birth i will recomend cry point and may be astrology

> > will point to that direction too.

> > dont most of us come here to enjoy on this earth and i

> >

> > bet you we go tru same amount of cring in our lot too.

> > regards

> > rajinder

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hello mukund ,

i dont think mr rampriya triing to pick on me he has

problem understanding me and my langguage

it was my strong personnel opinion that

we must think a cry time for baby is birth time

as sound represnt some thing is born and the poor baby

is leaving the "tez" spiritaul light

and has to cope just prakash of sun

and there is quite a mess under this light

dont worry how mr rampriya takes it

he may be using his aries head to get me

into intellectual conflict

and i will let him win as i respect him

for saying raj improve your english

i have not done this for my job and my sweetheart wife

they have to read between the lines

rajinder

--- monmuk111 <monmuk111 wrote:

> Hello Rampriya:

>

> I've noted you always pick on Rajinder. Ya, his

> English skills aren't

> as good as yours or others on the board BUT he's

> trying and doing a

> decent job of posting some very sensible things.

> Offcourse, one has

> read Rajinder's posts a couple of times to

> understand what he is

> trying to convey, but it's always something deep and

> sensible.

>

> Rajinder is good man, please don't make fun on his

> English skills.

> Bye.

>

> Mukund

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Ramapriya

> D" <hubli@h...>

> wrote:

> > Hi Rajinder,

> >

> > If there was a Most Mystifying Poster poll doing

> the rounds here,

> you'd win

> > hands down, I'm sure. Why don't you make yourself

> clearer?

> >

> > Ramapriya

> > hubli@v...

> >

> > -

> > "Rajinder Nath" <jinderman>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:18 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time &

> cutting a nevel to rema

> ji

> >

> >

> > > dear remaji,

> > > this was a one of the best quistion i saw put to

> the

> > > gurus and wise astrologer,

> > > anything and everything around us happenig can

> not

> > > justify by logic in end we leave it to the will

> of of

> > > god

> > > or it is not posiible to comprehend all in

> nature

> > > just by intellect it will bring some quistion at

> the

> > > last achievement of mind so the self realized

> soul

> > > dont see any difference in birth and death

> nither the

> > > celebrate nor they moarn rather live in bliss

> for ever

> > > if you want to look measure instument for time

> of

> > > birth i will recomend cry point and may be

> astrology

> > > will point to that direction too.

> > > dont most of us come here to enjoy on this earth

> and i

> > >

> > > bet you we go tru same amount of cring in our

> lot too.

> > > regards

> > > rajinder

>

>

 

 

 

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dear rema,

here again i will say astro science is only science of

guess and not confirmation

rajinder--- Ramapriya D <hubli wrote:

> Dear Rema,

>

> My comments under yours...

>

> Rema Menon <remamenon wrote:

> Dear RamaPriyaji,

>

> I really wasnt saying that the baby didnot cry,

> I have no problem with the cry theory any which way.

>

> Oh, thou doesn't? Then WTH are we arguing about?

> )

>

> The baby was born dead, atleast thats what it

> looked like, no signs of breathing, and blue in

> color. The baby was give a bath for the dead and put

> on the floor as a dead baby, one of the mourners

> noticed the color change.

>

> Smart mourner. I've heard similar stories of

> adults too, with corpses sitting up suddenly and

> reducing a few others to corpses and all that. At

> least you lived to tell this story )

>

> So here we are not really saying if the crying

> is to be noted or not.

>

> I dunno at which point you butted into this

> thread but I'd have believed this was the core of

> this goddamned issue here -- whether or not the

> crying of the child is to be noted vis-a-vis its

> time of birth?

>

>

> There is a window of time between the coming of

> life to the baby and the emergence of the babies

> body from the mothers womb! How do we account for

> that time?

>

> Account it for what? If you wanna keep a log of

> events, do so (most peds do). The point is whether

> that window has any relevance at all in astro. I've

> already repeated my (new-found) stand ad nauseam

> that a baby is born when it physically separates

> from its mom. Whether or not it bawls is another

> matter altogether; it's already on its way.

>

> That said, I know that modern medical practice

> may already have rendered my explanation flawed. But

> I guess I'll let that wait until someone sets the

> cat among the pigeons... )

>

> Thanks,

> Rema

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli

>

 

 

 

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Hey mate,

There's a limit to being misread. And thankfully, I've not much more time

right now to bother with a deep-seated rebuttal.

Btw, take out all my comments on Rajinder (since you say "always", I'm sure

you've seen a few) and find out if I've ever commented that his thoughts

were inane in themselves. But I couldn't care less about your whistling in

the wind.

Tarun now has company on my killfile list.

RD

 

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"monmuk111" <monmuk111

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:03 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Birth Time & cutting a nevel to rema ji

 

 

> Hello Rampriya:

>

> I've noted you always pick on Rajinder. Ya, his English skills aren't

> as good as yours or others on the board BUT he's trying and doing a

> decent job of posting some very sensible things. Offcourse, one has

> read Rajinder's posts a couple of times to understand what he is

> trying to convey, but it's always something deep and sensible.

>

> Rajinder is good man, please don't make fun on his English skills.

> Bye.

>

> Mukund