Birth Time & not crying at birth

May 18, 2003

Hari OM

Dear Gurus & Learned Friends,

Pranaams!

Since a lot is being discussed here regarding the time to be considered as

"birth" for our jyotish purposes, if it may not be out of context, I'm

attaching my chart.

I'm not supposed to have cried for a few minutes, right after my delivery.

When I had asked a learned astroger, at home in Nepal, I was pointed toward the

conjunction of Surya/Rahu in lagna in my chart.

In addition to this, when I was a kid playing with friends, one "siddha"

mahatma/astrologer was supposed to have commented to my mother asking "if this

kid didn't speak/cry at birth"....he had never known us, and I was just a

"stranger" to him..

Does this have to do with the malefic involvement of Sun/Rahu/Ketu/Mars(Jupiter) on my lagna ?

Or, how is this to be seen in a chart? An ounce of jyotish knowledge that I have

tells me Ketu/Mercury/2nd house & its lord & its association play an important

role for dumbness/speech related things etc...Otherwise I don't have any

problem with speech related things, except of course my fear of public

speaking..

Please grant some light....

Hari OM

Pranaams,

Shailesh

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Sarajit Poddar

vedic astrology

Sunday, May 18, 2003 5:16 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a nevel

Jaya JagannathDear Rema,

This is really interesting. I would like to have a look in your chart. Please

post me personally. For such cases also and also for cases of still born birth,

I would take the cutting of the umbilical cord. This becomes a problem when you

take first cry or first breath or something like that as the time of birth,

where the birth time cannot be found as the baby didn't cry.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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"Rema Menon" <remamenon >

Monday, May 19, 2003 2:03 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a nevel

> Namaste Sarajitji and Ramapriyaji,> > In continuation with this discussion I

have a question> for you.> What if a baby is born, do not cry, is blue, is>

separated from the mothers body, the umblical cord is> cut and since found not

breathing, that means dead,> set aside as dead, and later after 15 minutes or

so.> resumes the color of living, starts moving and crying.> > > What is the

actual time of this baby's starting of> life...the emerging from the mothers

body, cutting of> the umblical cord or first breath(cry)?> The baby in question

is/was me.> > Thanks, Rema> > > > --- Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) hotpop (DOT) com> wrote:> >

Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a> > nevelDear Sarajit,> > > > My

accent was intended to keep the whole concept> > simple; it perhaps became too

simple, as you say > > > > Let me try another. Say a lady delivers a baby

which> > is dead on arrival. Would or wouldn't you consider> > it born? I think

I'd look obtuse if on the grounds> > of it not having shrieked I argued that it

wasn't> > born at all. It was born but was born a lemon; too> > bad. And when

was it born? When it physically> > separated from the inside of its mom. That

was my> > point, notwithstanding it was poorly made > > > > Warm regards,> >

> > Rama> > hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> > > > - > >

Sarajit Poddar > > vedic astrology > > Sunday,

May 18, 2003 5:53 PM> > Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time &> >

cutting a nevel> > > > > > Jaya Jagannath> > Dear Rama,> > > > The

logic is brilliant, but not of much utility> > for Jyotish sake. The definition

you gave is again> > is given not taking Jyotish in mind... Isn't it...> >

Definitions are something which we define, based on> > whatever it should be;

its not the definition which> > define what it should be. Yup for a common man

your> > definition of birth would suffice. However, what I> > might say here is

that, Cars don't have placenta> > otherwise if it has any, then obviously you

couldn't> > have driven it to your home, as long as the car was> > connected to

the delivery showroom with it.> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > -----

Original Message ----- > > Sanjay Rath > > To:

vedic astrology > > Sunday, May 18, 2003 7:37 PM> >

RE: [vedic astrology] Birth Time &> > cutting a nevel> > > > Om

Brihaspataye namah> > Dear Rama> > Simply brilliant analogy..there are

somethigns> > God will always keep in His control.> > With best wishes> >

Sanjay Rath> > > > > =====> Rema Menon> > >

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May 19, 2003

Dear Shailesh,

Could you confirm from your parents what was the time taken to record your time

of birth? If the time difference between cutting of umbilical cord and time of

cry are fdifferent by a sizable margin, this would help understand the concept

of birth time better.

Chandrashekhar.

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Shailesh Rana

vedic astrology

Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & not crying at birth