Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being linked to the munthesh. I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that could you pinpoint the thing I am missing. Regards, RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would be clear Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed? Respected Gurus/List members, I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system. 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one?for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde. 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees? Regards,Ragini Plus - For a better Internet experience Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being linked to the munthesh. I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that could you pinpoint the thing I am missing. Regards, RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would be clear Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed? Respected Gurus/List members, I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system. 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one?for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde. 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees? Regards,Ragini Plus - For a better Internet experience Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Dear Ragini, You may mail the chart, I shall try to answer. However it would be better if you mail the Natal chart. I find it to be more representative of what is to happen than varshaphal chart. Again if you have applied Ithashala yoga to Varshphala chart it wont work. The reason is that Ithshala is used in Prashna Lagna and not Varshaphala. Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? Respected Chandershekharji, I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being linked to the munthesh. I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that could you pinpoint the thing I am missing. Regards, RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would be clear Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed? Respected Gurus/List members, I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system. 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one?for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde. 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees? Regards,Ragini Plus - For a better Internet experience Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Respected Gurus, Yes the itthasala yoga is seen in the prasna chart too but there are three kinds of itthasala that are formed in the varshphala chart besides other kind of tajika yogas.I would like to ask you can we depend on the varshphala chart or is it not a good tool of prediction because I am just a beginnger trying to master this techinque.I know that primarily we have to depend on the natal chart but results must be shown in this method too otherwise I dont think it holds any good. I am sending the natal chart of this person .He got engaged in March and is getting married in july.The first house has become seventh in the varshphala but I could not see any other yogas in the chart.Please try to pinpoint the yoga I am missing out. Regards,RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, You may mail the chart, I shall try to answer. However it would be better if you mail the Natal chart. I find it to be more representative of what is to happen than varshaphal chart. Again if you have applied Ithashala yoga to Varshphala chart it wont work. The reason is that Ithshala is used in Prashna Lagna and not Varshaphala. Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? Respected Chandershekharji, I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being linked to the munthesh. I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that could you pinpoint the thing I am missing. Regards, RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would be clear Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed? Respected Gurus/List members, I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system. 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one?for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde. 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees? Regards,Ragini Plus - For a better Internet experience Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Plus - For a better Internet experience Attachment: (application/octet-stream) chart 1.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Aum Namah Shivaya Dear Ragini and group, Though I agree that the Varshaphal chart is complementary and even secondary to the natal chart, I strongly affirm that it is very useful if not inevitable since it helps to reveal with greater clarity what the birth chart shows broadly among many details. Whatever is promised in the birth chart is only more clearly seen in the varshaphal chart. In fact I find it most useful to study the varshaphal chart, to see the one year period more closely under the microscope of varshaphal or solar return. In fact the varshaphal chart may be seen as inseperable from and only a further extension of the natal chart as it is very much dependant on the exact position of the Sun in the birth chart and its subsequent return to its natal position. Secondly the Takika yogas are part of Annual horoscopy or Varshaphal. So the question of Ithasala yoga being inapplicable to the varshaphal chart does not even arise. They are meant to be used as an integral part of annual horoscopy, as they are vital to the Tajika system itself which is primarily used in Annual horoscopy (see any standard text like the 'Tajika Neelakanti' or 'A Text book of Varshaphala' by Dr.K.S.Charak). Of course they may also be used with Prasna too. Of course it is a different matter if one does not want to use Tajika at all, due to particular reasons. But if one has no problems with using it for Prasna, one might as well use it for the primary purpose that it was intended to be used for- the annual chart. I tried to read the chart attached by Ragini. But there seems to be some mistake somewhere. You mention the name of the place as South Grafton (US) but give the time zone that is for India!! Please give the correct details and correct chart after verifying that every entry is correct. So at the moment I cannot go into it. Regards, Satya =============================== vedic astrology, as saf <astro_learner> wrote: > Respected Gurus, > Yes the itthasala yoga is seen in the prasna chart too but there are three kinds of itthasala that are formed in the varshphala chart besides other kind of tajika yogas.I would like to ask you can we depend on the varshphala chart or is it not a good tool of prediction because I am just a beginnger trying to master this techinque.I know that primarily we have to depend on the natal chart but results must be shown in this method too otherwise I dont think it holds any good. > I am sending the natal chart of this person .He got engaged in March and is getting married in july.The first house has become seventh in the varshphala but I could not see any other yogas in the chart.Please try to pinpoint the yoga I am missing out. > Regards, > Ragini > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ragini, > You may mail the chart, I shall try to answer. However it would be better if you mail the Natal chart. I find it to be more representative of what is to happen than varshaphal chart. > Again if you have applied Ithashala yoga to Varshphala chart it wont work. The reason is that Ithshala is used in Prashna Lagna and not Varshaphala. > Chandrashekhar. > - > as saf > vedic astrology > Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:51 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? > > > Respected Chandershekharji, > > I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being linked to the munthesh. > I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that could you pinpoint the thing I am missing. > Regards, > Ragini > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Ragini, > No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would be clear > Chandrashekhar. > - > as saf > vedic astrology > Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM > [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed? > > > > Respected Gurus/List members, > I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system. > > 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one? for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde. > > 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees? > > Regards, > Ragini > > > > > > Plus - For a better Internet experience > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Dr Satyaprakash, Ragini, and Sarajit, Not really relevant here but I think that Narasimha has very effectively and brilliantly demonstrated the use of tajika or varshaphal techniques in his book, going as far as to pinpoint the week of marriage, without any prior information at all! A couple of questions here (long range & possibly silly, I admit) (1) Does benefic aspects (say of Ju or 7th lord) on house where Vivaha saham is located bring increased chances of marriage? (2) Is an ithasala necessary for marriage to occur? The South Grafton mistake mentioned by Dr Satya prakash is most probably a bug and I think that the data as entered by Ragini should be correct. regards Hari vedic astrology, "Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary" <satyaprakasika> wrote: > > > Aum Namah Shivaya > > Dear Ragini and group, > > Though I agree that the Varshaphal chart is complementary and even > secondary to the natal chart, I strongly affirm that it is very > useful if not inevitable since it helps to reveal with greater > clarity what the birth chart shows broadly among many details. > Whatever is promised in the birth chart is only more clearly seen in > the varshaphal chart. In fact I find it most useful to study the > varshaphal chart, to see the one year period more closely under the > microscope of varshaphal or solar return. In fact the varshaphal > chart may be seen as inseperable from and only a further extension > of the natal chart as it is very much dependant on the exact > position of the Sun in the birth chart and its subsequent return to > its natal position. > > Secondly the Takika yogas are part of Annual horoscopy or > Varshaphal. So the question of Ithasala yoga being inapplicable to > the varshaphal chart does not even arise. They are meant to be used > as an integral part of annual horoscopy, as they are vital to the > Tajika system itself which is primarily used in Annual horoscopy > (see any standard text like the 'Tajika Neelakanti' or 'A Text book > of Varshaphala' by Dr.K.S.Charak). Of course they may also be used > with Prasna too. Of course it is a different matter if one does not > want to use Tajika at all, due to particular reasons. But if one has > no problems with using it for Prasna, one might as well use it for > the primary purpose that it was intended to be used for- the annual > chart. > > I tried to read the chart attached by Ragini. But there seems to be > some mistake somewhere. You mention the name of the place as South > Grafton (US) but give the time zone that is for India!! Please give > the correct details and correct chart after verifying that every > entry is correct. So at the moment I cannot go into it. > > > Regards, > Satya > > > =============================== > > > > > vedic astrology, as saf <astro_learner> > wrote: > > Respected Gurus, > > Yes the itthasala yoga is seen in the prasna chart too but there > are three kinds of itthasala that are formed in the varshphala chart > besides other kind of tajika yogas.I would like to ask you can we > depend on the varshphala chart or is it not a good tool of > prediction because I am just a beginnger trying to master this > techinque.I know that primarily we have to depend on the natal chart > but results must be shown in this method too otherwise I dont think > it holds any good. > > I am sending the natal chart of this person .He got engaged in > March and is getting married in july.The first house has become > seventh in the varshphala but I could not see any other yogas in the > chart.Please try to pinpoint the yoga I am missing out. > > Regards, > > Ragini > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ragini, > > You may mail the chart, I shall try to answer. However it would be > better if you mail the Natal chart. I find it to be more > representative of what is to happen than varshaphal chart. > > Again if you have applied Ithashala yoga to Varshphala chart it > wont work. The reason is that Ithshala is used in Prashna Lagna and > not Varshaphala. > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > as saf > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:51 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? > > > > > > Respected Chandershekharji, > > > > I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets > involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this > related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year > besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in > his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being > linked to the munthesh. > > I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that > could you pinpoint the thing I am missing. > > Regards, > > Ragini > > > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > > Dear Ragini, > > No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would > be clear > > Chandrashekhar. > > - > > as saf > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM > > [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed? > > > > > > > > Respected Gurus/List members, > > I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system. > > > > 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one > is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one? > for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands > at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde. > > > > 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them > are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in > degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees? > > > > Regards, > > Ragini > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus - For a better Internet experience > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 The data entered in the chart is correct but place entered as south grafton is the default place that was there in the software...I just didnt change it !! I tried to apply all the tajik yogas to the chart in question for marriage but failed miserably because moon and sat which are lagnesh and karyesh do not form an istthala and the other planets are in semi-sextile aspect with the planets involved so the question of other yogas like nakata and yamaya is also ruled out.I would also like to ask the question by Hari is itthasala neccesary for marriage?or we can look to the vivah saham. I have gone through Narasimhaji's book and book by Sumeet Chugh for reference and these two books are awaited by me as I have placed an order for them! I am writing the data again for you to consult.Please take the year 2002 for the tajika chart since engagement was in march and marraige is due in july. DOB-16th oct , 1973time of birth-1:50 p.m.place-75 E04"29N32" Regards,Ragini Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary <satyaprakasika (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Aum Namah ShivayaDear Ragini and group,Though I agree that the Varshaphal chart is complementary and even secondary to the natal chart, I strongly affirm that it is very useful if not inevitable since it helps to reveal with greater clarity what the birth chart shows broadly among many details. Whatever is promised in the birth chart is only more clearly seen in the varshaphal chart. In fact I find it most useful to study the varshaphal chart, to see the one year period more closely under the microscope of varshaphal or solar return. In fact the varshaphal chart may be seen as inseperable from and only a further extension of the natal chart as it is very much dependant on the exact position of the Sun in the birth chart and its subsequent return to its natal position.Secondly the Takika yogas are part of Annual horoscopy or Varshaphal. So the question of Ithasala yoga being inapplicable to the varshaphal chart does not even arise. They are meant to be used as an integral part of annual horoscopy, as they are vital to the Tajika system itself which is primarily used in Annual horoscopy (see any standard text like the 'Tajika Neelakanti' or 'A Text book of Varshaphala' by Dr.K.S.Charak). Of course they may also be used with Prasna too. Of course it is a different matter if one does not want to use Tajika at all, due to particular reasons. But if one has no problems with using it for Prasna, one might as well use it for the primary purpose that it was intended to be used for- the annual chart.I tried to read the chart attached by Ragini. But there seems to be some mistake somewhere. You mention the name of the place as South Grafton (US) but give the time zone that is for India!! Please give the correct details and correct chart after verifying that every entry is correct. So at the moment I cannot go into it. Regards,Satya=============================== --- In vedic astrology, as saf <astro_learner> wrote:> Respected Gurus,> Yes the itthasala yoga is seen in the prasna chart too but there are three kinds of itthasala that are formed in the varshphala chart besides other kind of tajika yogas.I would like to ask you can we depend on the varshphala chart or is it not a good tool of prediction because I am just a beginnger trying to master this techinque.I know that primarily we have to depend on the natal chart but results must be shown in this method too otherwise I dont think it holds any good.> I am sending the natal chart of this person .He got engaged in March and is getting married in july.The first house has become seventh in the varshphala but I could not see any other yogas in the chart.Please try to pinpoint the yoga I am missing out.> Regards,> Ragini> > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Ragini,> You may mail the chart, I shall try to answer. However it would be better if you mail the Natal chart. I find it to be more representative of what is to happen than varshaphal chart.> Again if you have applied Ithashala yoga to Varshphala chart it wont work. The reason is that Ithshala is used in Prashna Lagna and not Varshaphala.> Chandrashekhar.> - > as saf > To: vedic astrology > Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:51 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed?> > > Respected Chandershekharji,> > I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being linked to the munthesh.> I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that could you pinpoint the thing I am missing.> Regards,> Ragini> > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Ragini,> No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would be clear> Chandrashekhar.> - > as saf > To: vedic astrology > Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM> [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed?> > > > Respected Gurus/List members,> I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system.> > 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one?for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde.> > 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees?> > Regards,> Ragini> > > > > > Plus - For a better Internet experience> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Aum Namah Shivaya Dear Ragini, Please do not use words like 'respected' while addressing me. Please be informal as I am just one of you. Now coming to your question, I have already posted an analysis of the chart provided. An Ithasala is not necessarily the only way that fructification of a promise occurs in a chart. There are other things that can indicate as well. But if one understands the basis for the Tajika yogas, it is very helpful as all the pieces fit beautifully into the whole picture. Then you will know where, when and how to use the knowledge. Astrology is Nature's best language. So the more one knows the better one's understanding. The better the understanding,you see it all more clearly. Seeing it work is like watching Prakriti in Her grandeur. Everything feels like the play of Maha Maya. And it is inspiring to be part of this grand cosmic play! Once you really experience astrology this way, life is no more a suffering. Neither is knowledge burdensome. Life seems to be a benediction. You rejoice in everything. Glories to Shakti. Glories to the Shaktiman. Regards, Satya ============================================== vedic astrology, as saf <astro_learner> wrote: > > Respected Satyaji and Group Members, > > The data entered in the chart is correct but place entered as south grafton is the default place that was there in the software...I just didnt change it !! > I tried to apply all the tajik yogas to the chart in question for marriage but failed miserably because moon and sat which are lagnesh and karyesh do not form an istthala and the other planets are in semi-sextile aspect with the planets involved so the question of other yogas like nakata and yamaya is also ruled out.I would also like to ask the question by Hari is itthasala neccesary for marriage? or we can look to the vivah saham. > I have gone through Narasimhaji's book and book by Sumeet Chugh for reference and these two books are awaited by me as I have placed an order for them! > I am writing the data again for you to consult.Please take the year 2002 for the tajika chart since engagement was in march and marraige is due in july. > > DOB-16th oct , 1973 > time of birth-1:50 p.m. > place-75 E04" > 29N32" > Regards, > Ragini > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dear Ragini, Would you mention the year in which the events happened, as July of this year is yet to arrive. Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:12 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? Respected Gurus, Yes the itthasala yoga is seen in the prasna chart too but there are three kinds of itthasala that are formed in the varshphala chart besides other kind of tajika yogas.I would like to ask you can we depend on the varshphala chart or is it not a good tool of prediction because I am just a beginnger trying to master this techinque.I know that primarily we have to depend on the natal chart but results must be shown in this method too otherwise I dont think it holds any good. I am sending the natal chart of this person .He got engaged in March and is getting married in july.The first house has become seventh in the varshphala but I could not see any other yogas in the chart.Please try to pinpoint the yoga I am missing out. Regards,RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, You may mail the chart, I shall try to answer. However it would be better if you mail the Natal chart. I find it to be more representative of what is to happen than varshaphal chart. Again if you have applied Ithashala yoga to Varshphala chart it wont work. The reason is that Ithshala is used in Prashna Lagna and not Varshaphala. Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? Respected Chandershekharji, I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being linked to the munthesh. I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that could you pinpoint the thing I am missing. Regards, RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would be clear Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed? Respected Gurus/List members, I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system. 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one?for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde. 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees? Regards,Ragini Plus - For a better Internet experience Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Plus - For a better Internet experienceArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 RESPECED GURUS, WILL ANYBODY prescribe a good book on Progressive horoscope( V arshphal) because I have found the following not of high use for nobody has shown application of principles in live Examples. Thats why tajika Sidhantaare are not used regularly. The books I have read are Progressive Horoscope By B.V. Raman Varsphal Kundli -Dr. shrimali A preliminary chapter in vrshphal By Gopesh kumar ojha A Text book of Vedic Astrology -P.V.R. narsimharao ( a good treatise) [pankovid] Other problem is with Tajika aspects- Some people apply prashra aspects and don't use tajika aspects being unaccepance of universal use in Hindu astrology. I also fail to understand this.Please clarify why tajika aspects are used in Varsh and prashana and not in Birth Chart? Is there any justification? These things have made this highly complex and confusing .Some of our gurus may go angry over this utterance. Forgive me for this unusual and impatient remarks. SORRY TO SAY Pankaj tya Prakash Choudhary [satyaprakasika (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:50 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Is itthasala formed? Aum Namah ShivayaDear Ragini,Please do not use words like 'respected' while addressing me. Please be informal as I am just one of you. Now coming to your question, I have already posted an analysis of the chart provided. An Ithasala is not necessarily the only way that fructification of a promise occurs in a chart. There are other things that can indicate as well. But if one understands the basis for the Tajika yogas, it is very helpful as all the pieces fit beautifully into the whole picture. Then you will know where, when and how to use the knowledge.Astrology is Nature's best language. So the more one knows the better one's understanding. The better the understanding,you see it all more clearly. Seeing it work is like watching Prakriti in Her grandeur. Everything feels like the play of Maha Maya. And it is inspiring to be part of this grand cosmic play! Once you really experience astrology this way, life is no more a suffering. Neither is knowledge burdensome. Life seems to be a benediction. You rejoice in everything. Glories to Shakti. Glories to the Shaktiman. Regards,Satya============================================== --- In vedic astrology, as saf <astro_learner> wrote:> > Respected Satyaji and Group Members,> > The data entered in the chart is correct but place entered as south grafton is the default place that was there in the software...I just didnt change it !!> I tried to apply all the tajik yogas to the chart in question for marriage but failed miserably because moon and sat which are lagnesh and karyesh do not form an istthala and the other planets are in semi-sextile aspect with the planets involved so the question of other yogas like nakata and yamaya is also ruled out.I would also like to ask the question by Hari is itthasala neccesary for marriage?or we can look to the vivah saham.> I have gone through Narasimhaji's book and book by Sumeet Chugh for reference and these two books are awaited by me as I have placed an order for them!> I am writing the data again for you to consult.Please take the year 2002 for the tajika chart since engagement was in march and marraige is due in july.> > DOB-16th oct , 1973> time of birth-1:50 p.m.> place-75 E04"> 29N32"> Regards,> Ragini> Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Books on Varshaphal A textbook of Varshaphala by Dr. K. S. Charak Predictive Techiques in Varshaphala by Dr. K S Charak Tajikashastra - A guide to Annual Horoscope or Varshaphala by R K Wishwakarma and K Rangachari I can recommend the first two books (the first is the more basic one) I have not studied the third one yet, but it looks quite informative. regards Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 The engagement took place in march,2003 this year and the wedding is to take place on the 20th july,2003 this year.so we have to check the year 2002 for the verificaiton of the results. RegardsRaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, Would you mention the year in which the events happened, as July of this year is yet to arrive. Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:12 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? Respected Gurus, Yes the itthasala yoga is seen in the prasna chart too but there are three kinds of itthasala that are formed in the varshphala chart besides other kind of tajika yogas.I would like to ask you can we depend on the varshphala chart or is it not a good tool of prediction because I am just a beginnger trying to master this techinque.I know that primarily we have to depend on the natal chart but results must be shown in this method too otherwise I dont think it holds any good. I am sending the natal chart of this person .He got engaged in March and is getting married in july.The first house has become seventh in the varshphala but I could not see any other yogas in the chart.Please try to pinpoint the yoga I am missing out. Regards,RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, You may mail the chart, I shall try to answer. However it would be better if you mail the Natal chart. I find it to be more representative of what is to happen than varshaphal chart. Again if you have applied Ithashala yoga to Varshphala chart it wont work. The reason is that Ithshala is used in Prashna Lagna and not Varshaphala. Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? Respected Chandershekharji, I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being linked to the munthesh. I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that could you pinpoint the thing I am missing. Regards, RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would be clear Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed? Respected Gurus/List members, I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system. 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one?for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde. 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees? Regards,Ragini Plus - For a better Internet experience Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Plus - For a better Internet experienceArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ji Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Dear Ragini,I have already mentioned that i find it convinient to predict marriages from Natal chart. I have given you the reason of the events below on the basis of chart sent by you. The natal chart shows that the planets who can cause arriage to take lace are Jupiter(Aspecting 7th) Moon Lord of 7th Venus Kalatrakaraka . Now you will see that Jupiter is curently is aspecting natal Jupiter and is posited in the the 7th house, also aspecting Venus (natal) and during the time of engagement JupiterMer,venus Maha-Antar pratyantar is on with Transit Venus aspectinng 7th house. The marriage would be occuring when Jupiter is in last degrees of Cancer and Moon pratyantar would be operative at this time. On 20th July Jupiter and Moon form Navapancham and exchange of house and Venus in 12th house the shayana sthana. Need I say more> Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Friday, June 06, 2003 8:54 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? Dear Chandershekharji, The engagement took place in march,2003 this year and the wedding is to take place on the 20th july,2003 this year.so we have to check the year 2002 for the verificaiton of the results. RegardsRaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, Would you mention the year in which the events happened, as July of this year is yet to arrive. Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:12 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? Respected Gurus, Yes the itthasala yoga is seen in the prasna chart too but there are three kinds of itthasala that are formed in the varshphala chart besides other kind of tajika yogas.I would like to ask you can we depend on the varshphala chart or is it not a good tool of prediction because I am just a beginnger trying to master this techinque.I know that primarily we have to depend on the natal chart but results must be shown in this method too otherwise I dont think it holds any good. I am sending the natal chart of this person .He got engaged in March and is getting married in july.The first house has become seventh in the varshphala but I could not see any other yogas in the chart.Please try to pinpoint the yoga I am missing out. Regards,RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, You may mail the chart, I shall try to answer. However it would be better if you mail the Natal chart. I find it to be more representative of what is to happen than varshaphal chart. Again if you have applied Ithashala yoga to Varshphala chart it wont work. The reason is that Ithshala is used in Prashna Lagna and not Varshaphala. Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:51 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Is itthasala formed? Respected Chandershekharji, I was thinking the same. I mean no itthasala between the planets involoved but actually the results were quite opposite.I mean this related to a marriage of a person and he has got married this year besides munthesh being strong I didnt see any yoga for marriage in his annual chart so I got confused and the vivah sahamesh being linked to the munthesh. I hope if you have time I could mail the chart to you so that could you pinpoint the thing I am missing. Regards, RaginiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ragini, No. Look at Ishthala as applying aspect and your confusion would be clear Chandrashekhar. - as saf vedic astrology Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:50 AM [vedic astrology] Is isthala formed? Respected Gurus/List members, I hope that someone can clear my doubts about the tajika system. 1) Is there isathala formed between two planets if the slower one is retrograde and less advanced in the degrees than the faster one?for example is isathala formed between moon and sat if moon stands at 9D52" and saturn is 5 D 10" and is retrograde. 2) Is there isahtala formed between two planets if both of them are retrograde?and should the faster planet be more advanced in degrees or the slower planet should be more advanced in degrees? Regards,Ragini Plus - For a better Internet experience Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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