Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Hello everyone, Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine science. 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a business 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say that all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into the art religion and the science of astrology 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a more infomed place. What do the classic books say about people who would start to charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business like any other trade in the kali yuga? regards Ums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 I don't think there is any thing wrong with charging money for a service, be it Astrology or otherwise. K. Ajith _ This report is solely for information and general circulation only and may not be published, circulated, reproduced or distributed in whole or in part to any other person without our written consent. This report should not be construed as an offer or solicitation for the subscription, purchase or sale of the securities mentioned herein. Whilst we have taken all reasonable care to ensure that the information contained in this publication is not untrue or misleading at the time of publication, we cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness, and you should not act on it without first independently verifying its contents. Any opinion or estimate contained in this report is subject to change without notice. We have not given any consideration to and we have not made any investigation of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of the recipient or any class of persons, and accordingly, no warranty whatsoever is given and no liability whatsoever is accepted for any loss arising whether directly or indirectly as a result of the recipient or any class of persons acting on such information or opinion or estimate. OCBC Securities Pte Ltd and its related and affiliated corporations together with their respective directors and officers may have or take positions in the securities mentioned in this report and may also perform or seek to perform broking and other investment or securities-related services for the corporations whose securities are mentioned in this report as well as other parties generally. Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. "planck12" <planck12@yaho vedic astrology o.com> cc: [vedic astrology] A thought on 05/06/03 10:54 Astrology and the Science Please respond to vedic-astrolog y Hello everyone, Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine science. 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a business 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say that all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into the art religion and the science of astrology 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a more infomed place. What do the classic books say about people who would start to charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business like any other trade in the kali yuga? regards Ums Sponsor (Embedded image moved to file: pic08603.gif) (Embedded image moved to file: pic08978.gif) Attachment: pic08603.gif [not stored] Attachment: pic08978.gif [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 You're right. Astrologers should especially charge. There's otherwise little or no chance of getting sued or ruined by a client. Ramapriya hubli - <ajith <vedic astrology> Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:36 AM Re: [vedic astrology] A thought on Astrology and the Science I don't think there is any thing wrong with charging money for a service, be it Astrology or otherwise. K. Ajith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 I have consulted quite a few astrologers till date and paid money it. Almost all of them have made wrong predictions. If astrology is a service being charged for, there should be a pay back/ penalty for the wrong advice/ medication. vedic astrology, "planck12" <planck12> wrote: > Hello everyone, > Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine science. > > 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a business > > 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say that all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into the art religion and the science of astrology > > 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a more infomed place. > > What do the classic books say about people who would start to charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business like any other trade in the kali yuga? > > regards > Ums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dear Nareshji, +1. In my opinion, an astrologer should charge money. Reason is, astrologer is a mortal being and he needs to put his kids through college education and plan for retirement. In ancient times, people used to respect astrologers and they used to give them dakshina without astrologers having to ask for it. In those days, it made sense for astrologers not to demand for money. But these days, people have not remain the same and so neither should astrologers. Besides, I believe astrology being science, needs a lot of research and time and energy. And research has its own costs right? For instance, an astrologer would want to attend the conferences, buy books, etc. Where would he/she bring money to sustain this kind of research, if they don't make money? So for a lot of practical purposes astrologers charging money makes great sense. But then we come to the concept of service and quality. If astrologers think they are giving some kind of service and should charge money for it, they need to guarantee quality of their service. Hence, if a prediction/remedy fails, astrologer MUST return the money back and update his/her knowledge. Namaste. Rageshwari. vedic astrology, "nareshcg" <nareshcg> wrote: > I have consulted quite a few astrologers till date and paid money > it. Almost all of them have made wrong predictions. If astrology is > a service being charged for, there should be a pay back/ penalty for > the wrong advice/ medication. > > vedic astrology, "planck12" <planck12> > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better > placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine > science. > > > > 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for > everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a > business > > > > 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say that > all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into > the art religion and the science of astrology > > > > 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who > predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole > intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a > more infomed place. > > > > What do the classic books say about people who would start to > charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business > like any other trade in the kali yuga? > > > > regards > > Ums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dear Rageshwariji, Interesting insight. What Im wondering though is astrology is a science having its roots in tradition and religion. I wonder what it would be like if we got charged to go into temples? I wonder wot it would be like if we got charged to pray to God? An astrologer is a mortal being which is very true, but the tool that he tends to be working is rather more immortal then mortal. If an astrologer has to suppor this kids and family then I think he/she should hold a full time job a job that is inline with the working world dont u think. And astrology should be something he uses to help people. As Ive come to see most of the astologers today are holding a full time job and pracitce and supplement astrology as a partime venture. After all we have to agree that the world have become very materalistic and everyone wants money. Has it occured that mostly people who are upset and face difficuitles in life tend to turn to astrology, it hardly the other way people who are well off turning to astrology never happens. So obvisouly people who are in trouble or pain might or might not have money. People who have money perhaps should give it in terms of donation, but what happens to people who do not have money to pay such huge sums and who are still in problem and would like to seek help what about them? It becomes simliar to the case of medicince a Dr not operating or helping a patient who has no money or who cannot afford. Which directly contradicts the principles of medical ethics but people still do it because of money. As a humanly gesture it is very inappropriate for a Dr to do that, so I think it would be inappropriate for an astrologer like wise. Especially if astrologer more so rests on the fundamentals of religion and God. Just like one of our other memebers mentioned. I see these astrologers who charge a lot of money they usually tend to predict thigns wrong why!! because its made astrology a trade and people tend to poke jokes at it when one goes to an astrologer solely because of the high sums the clients pay and nothing or perhaps only 10-20% get accurate. Secondly Ive observed some villiage astrologers who ask for donation or dont charge money at all make highly accurate predicitons. Since I believe if astrology is a divine science then the divine and the immortal force will definately though magic bring about this ability that a person who helps others without bais will provide better predictions than a person who tries to help himself first at the expence of another using a tool like astrology Opinions would be much appreciated regards Ums vedic astrology, "rageshwari75" <rageshwari75> wrote: > Dear Nareshji, > > +1. > > In my opinion, an astrologer should charge money. Reason is, > astrologer is a mortal being and he needs to put his kids through > college education and plan for retirement. In ancient times, people > used to respect astrologers and they used to give them dakshina > without astrologers having to ask for it. In those days, it made > sense for astrologers not to demand for money. But these days, people > have not remain the same and so neither should astrologers. Besides, > I believe astrology being science, needs a lot of research and time > and energy. And research has its own costs right? For instance, an > astrologer would want to attend the conferences, buy books, etc. > Where would he/she bring money to sustain this kind of research, if > they don't make money? So for a lot of practical purposes astrologers > charging money makes great sense. > > But then we come to the concept of service and quality. If > astrologers think they are giving some kind of service and should > charge money for it, they need to guarantee quality of their service. > Hence, if a prediction/remedy fails, astrologer MUST return the money > back and update his/her knowledge. > > Namaste. > > Rageshwari. > > vedic astrology, "nareshcg" <nareshcg> > wrote: > > I have consulted quite a few astrologers till date and paid money > > it. Almost all of them have made wrong predictions. If astrology is > > a service being charged for, there should be a pay back/ penalty > for > > the wrong advice/ medication. > > > > vedic astrology, "planck12" <planck12> > > wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better > > placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine > > science. > > > > > > 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for > > everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a > > business > > > > > > 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say > that > > all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into > > the art religion and the science of astrology > > > > > > 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who > > predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole > > intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a > > more infomed place. > > > > > > What do the classic books say about people who would start to > > charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business > > like any other trade in the kali yuga? > > > > > > regards > > > Ums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dear Ums-ji, Your opinion is ofcourse very valid and true. Vedic Astrology holds its ground in Hindu religion and philosophy. Most of the times, especially when implementing remedies, it deals with matters of faith and belief than anything else. So I guess, it would be inappropriate to charge money, especially when suggesting remedies, because Vedic Astrology remedy is a way to drive a soul on the path to spiritual enlightenment and it is paradoxical to bring materialism in between when dealing with spirituality. Anyway, my opinion was only from a single view point and i.e. if an astrologer doesn't charge money how would he sustain himself/his family/his astrological knowledge. But I think you suggested the right approach to deal with this challenge i.e. accept a full time job somewhere else and make a living off of it thereby pursue Vedic Astrology owing to genuine interest for spiritual evolution. Very nice suggestion, indeed. Besides, in this way we are not even compromising the basic tenets of Vedas i.e. not to charge money for knowledge. Thank you for guiding me to the right path. Namaste. Rageshwari. vedic astrology, "planck12" <planck12> wrote: > Dear Rageshwariji, > Interesting insight. What Im wondering though is astrology is a science having its roots in tradition and religion. I wonder what it would be like if we got charged to go into temples? I wonder wot it would be like if we got charged to pray to God? > > An astrologer is a mortal being which is very true, but the tool that he tends to be working is rather more immortal then mortal. If an astrologer has to suppor this kids and family then I think he/she should hold a full time job a job that is inline with the working world dont u think. And astrology should be something he uses to help people. As Ive come to see most of the astologers today are holding a full time job and pracitce and supplement astrology as a partime venture. After all we have to agree that the world have become very materalistic and everyone wants money. > > Has it occured that mostly people who are upset and face difficuitles in life tend to turn to astrology, it hardly the other way people who are well off turning to astrology never happens. So obvisouly people who are in trouble or pain might or might not have money. People who have money perhaps should give it in terms of donation, but what happens to people who do not have money to pay such huge sums and who are still in problem and would like to seek help what about them? > > It becomes simliar to the case of medicince a Dr not operating or helping a patient who has no money or who cannot afford. Which directly contradicts the principles of medical ethics but people still do it because of money. > > As a humanly gesture it is very inappropriate for a Dr to do that, so I think it would be inappropriate for an astrologer like wise. Especially if astrologer more so rests on the fundamentals of religion and God. Just like one of our other memebers mentioned. I see these astrologers who charge a lot of money they usually tend to predict thigns wrong why!! because its made astrology a trade and people tend to poke jokes at it when one goes to an astrologer solely because of the high sums the clients pay and nothing or perhaps only 10-20% get accurate. > > Secondly Ive observed some villiage astrologers who ask for donation or dont charge money at all make highly accurate predicitons. > > Since I believe if astrology is a divine science then the divine and the immortal force will definately though magic bring about this ability that a person who helps others without bais will provide better predictions than a person who tries to help himself first at the expence of another using a tool like astrology > > Opinions would be much appreciated > > regards > Ums > > > > > vedic astrology, "rageshwari75" <rageshwari75> wrote: > > Dear Nareshji, > > > > +1. > > > > In my opinion, an astrologer should charge money. Reason is, > > astrologer is a mortal being and he needs to put his kids through > > college education and plan for retirement. In ancient times, people > > used to respect astrologers and they used to give them dakshina > > without astrologers having to ask for it. In those days, it made > > sense for astrologers not to demand for money. But these days, people > > have not remain the same and so neither should astrologers. Besides, > > I believe astrology being science, needs a lot of research and time > > and energy. And research has its own costs right? For instance, an > > astrologer would want to attend the conferences, buy books, etc. > > Where would he/she bring money to sustain this kind of research, if > > they don't make money? So for a lot of practical purposes astrologers > > charging money makes great sense. > > > > But then we come to the concept of service and quality. If > > astrologers think they are giving some kind of service and should > > charge money for it, they need to guarantee quality of their service. > > Hence, if a prediction/remedy fails, astrologer MUST return the money > > back and update his/her knowledge. > > > > Namaste. > > > > Rageshwari. > > > > vedic astrology, "nareshcg" <nareshcg> > > wrote: > > > I have consulted quite a few astrologers till date and paid money > > > it. Almost all of them have made wrong predictions. If astrology is > > > a service being charged for, there should be a pay back/ penalty > > for > > > the wrong advice/ medication. > > > > > > vedic astrology, "planck12" <planck12> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better > > > placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine > > > science. > > > > > > > > 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for > > > everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a > > > business > > > > > > > > 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say > > that > > > all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into > > > the art religion and the science of astrology > > > > > > > > 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who > > > predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole > > > intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a > > > more infomed place. > > > > > > > > What do the classic books say about people who would start to > > > charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business > > > like any other trade in the kali yuga? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Ums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dear Everyone, Well I think the critical factors for charging should be in-depth analysis of the client's problems and possible suggested remedies. The astrologer is just another intellectual profesional like Doctors, Engineers, Accountants etc., So when all these professionals can charge for all types of work, regardless of the quality of the work, then so can an astrologer. Ofcourse all these professionals are human beings who have materialistic needs and the same applies to an astrologer also. In case of all these professionals, high quality work performance is expected and hence the same applies to the astrologer also. What happens is that every profession is full of incompetent people who charge more than their counterparts and get away with low quality/sloppy work. Infact people end up going to other professionals after getting sloppy work done and end up paying more to make the corrections. Ofcourse same appplies to astrologers also. SO they are no better/no worse than other intellectuals. However what makes astrologers different is that they appear to be messengers of the Gods and hence they need to do a complete analysis before suggesting any remedies, but we find that newspaapers and TV channels are full of advertisements claiming that their remedies work 100% in all cases and for all problems, even before any horoscope has been analysed! That's obviously a fraudlent statement or a very controversial statement. Now when people who are facing problems, approach such astrologers, then they are setting themselves (intentionally or unintentionally) to participate in fraudlent type remedies(or unknown dangerous tantric remedies), which may or may not work at all...So then these people(who are suffering and who want immediate results at all costs) cannot claim that they have been frauded in good faith...The reason being that such clients know that theya re trying to change their fate through such remedies(like magical talismans)for relatively small amounts of money(although the amounts can be substantial and huge like $200 or Rs 10,000..I say relatively small since they are trying to change their fortune immediately at all costs and are trying to change the KAAL_CHAKRA for themseleves)...so when one has decided to go on such a path, then why blame the astrologer..he/she will also do some astro-analysis to justify his/her remedy(which was already decided much before the analysis was done)...SO a honest astrologer will first do the analysis and then suggest some remdies like chanting thousands of mantras everyday, wearing gem-stones and working hard etc., But then as per general human nature, such an astrologer(although honest) appears to be very boring compared to the other one, who is saying "Guaranteed Results for all Problems Immediately"...We always choose the shortest path to success unless and until we fall down and then look for a teacher who can guide us slowly. The same is true for this astrology. After all do we expect the astrologer to become LORD BRAHMA and change our fortune immediately? We know that the astrologer is not BRAHMA but we wish that he/she has the key to changing the fortune and we strongly believe that it can be done by paying some money until we fall down ...its all human nature...Regards. Rajesh Kumaria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dear UMS, Though I do not charge anything for predictions, I do not think that there is anything wrong if somebody does this. The reason is that not all the Jatakas follow what they should do while advising Astrologers to follow their duties. I have seen persons wanting a particular answer from astrologer pestering him to give that answer. Even on this list you will see many mails from persons cribbing about their problems, instead of seeking advice after putting up their own analysis, as this is a list for study of astrology. If somebody wants to waste his own and the astrologer's time, then there is nothing wrong if the astrologer charges him for his time. The shastras enjoin one to help only those who approach with humility, have faith and are in disstress. You should see the language used in some of the mails. I would of course not side by an astrologer if he is trying to exploit Jataka by playing on his fears. Chandrashekhar. - planck12 vedic astrology Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:28 PM [vedic astrology] Re: A thought on Astrology and the Science Dear Rageshwariji, Interesting insight. What Im wondering though is astrology is a science having its roots in tradition and religion. I wonder what it would be like if we got charged to go into temples? I wonder wot it would be like if we got charged to pray to God? An astrologer is a mortal being which is very true, but the tool that he tends to be working is rather more immortal then mortal. If an astrologer has to suppor this kids and family then I think he/she should hold a full time job a job that is inline with the working world dont u think. And astrology should be something he uses to help people. As Ive come to see most of the astologers today are holding a full time job and pracitce and supplement astrology as a partime venture. After all we have to agree that the world have become very materalistic and everyone wants money. Has it occured that mostly people who are upset and face difficuitles in life tend to turn to astrology, it hardly the other way people who are well off turning to astrology never happens. So obvisouly people who are in trouble or pain might or might not have money. People who have money perhaps should give it in terms of donation, but what happens to people who do not have money to pay such huge sums and who are still in problem and would like to seek help what about them? It becomes simliar to the case of medicince a Dr not operating or helping a patient who has no money or who cannot afford. Which directly contradicts the principles of medical ethics but people still do it because of money. As a humanly gesture it is very inappropriate for a Dr to do that, so I think it would be inappropriate for an astrologer like wise. Especially if astrologer more so rests on the fundamentals of religion and God. Just like one of our other memebers mentioned. I see these astrologers who charge a lot of money they usually tend to predict thigns wrong why!! because its made astrology a trade and people tend to poke jokes at it when one goes to an astrologer solely because of the high sums the clients pay and nothing or perhaps only 10-20% get accurate. Secondly Ive observed some villiage astrologers who ask for donation or dont charge money at all make highly accurate predicitons. Since I believe if astrology is a divine science then the divine and the immortal force will definately though magic bring about this ability that a person who helps others without bais will provide better predictions than a person who tries to help himself first at the expence of another using a tool like astrologyOpinions would be much appreciatedregardsUmsvedic astrology, "rageshwari75" <rageshwari75> wrote:> Dear Nareshji,> > +1.> > In my opinion, an astrologer should charge money. Reason is, > astrologer is a mortal being and he needs to put his kids through > college education and plan for retirement. In ancient times, people > used to respect astrologers and they used to give them dakshina > without astrologers having to ask for it. In those days, it made > sense for astrologers not to demand for money. But these days, people > have not remain the same and so neither should astrologers. Besides, > I believe astrology being science, needs a lot of research and time > and energy. And research has its own costs right? For instance, an > astrologer would want to attend the conferences, buy books, etc. > Where would he/she bring money to sustain this kind of research, if > they don't make money? So for a lot of practical purposes astrologers > charging money makes great sense.> > But then we come to the concept of service and quality. If > astrologers think they are giving some kind of service and should > charge money for it, they need to guarantee quality of their service. > Hence, if a prediction/remedy fails, astrologer MUST return the money > back and update his/her knowledge.> > Namaste.> > Rageshwari.> > --- In vedic astrology, "nareshcg" <nareshcg> > wrote:> > I have consulted quite a few astrologers till date and paid money > > it. Almost all of them have made wrong predictions. If astrology is > > a service being charged for, there should be a pay back/ penalty > for > > the wrong advice/ medication.> > > > vedic astrology, "planck12" <planck12> > > wrote:> > > Hello everyone, > > > Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better > > placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine > > science. > > > > > > 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for > > everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a > > business > > > > > > 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say > that > > all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into > > the art religion and the science of astrology > > > > > > 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who > > predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole > > intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a > > more infomed place. > > > > > > What do the classic books say about people who would start to > > charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business > > like any other trade in the kali yuga?> > > > > > regards> > > Ums Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dear Chandrashekharji, You bring a good point too. So then I suppose a charge/no-charge decision should be made based on how much in distress the Jataka is i.e. how badly the jataka needs help. But then if Jataka is asking for input on not so life-threatening time-critical factors such as whether my 7 year old son would go to Harvard, an astrologer might ask for fees. But again, I sincerely believe that in this case astrologer must guarantee the quality of prediction. But when in comes to remedies, I believe they should be kept free. Why? Because our Vedas and Vedaangas are there to help people in need; to provide fodder to folks who seek evolution of their soul. Then why to deprieve these people of wonderful and effective remedies for the sake of money? And besides, I believe that by suggesting remedies without any material expectations is a way for an Astrologer to earn good karma. Namaste. Rageshwari. vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote: > Dear UMS, > Though I do not charge anything for predictions, I do not think that there is anything wrong if somebody does this. The reason is that not all the Jatakas follow what they should do while advising Astrologers to follow their duties. I have seen persons wanting a particular answer from astrologer pestering him to give that answer. Even on this list you will see many mails from persons cribbing about their problems, instead of seeking advice after putting up their own analysis, as this is a list for study of astrology. If somebody wants to waste his own and the astrologer's time, then there is nothing wrong if the astrologer charges him for his time. > The shastras enjoin one to help only those who approach with humility, have faith and are in disstress. You should see the language used in some of the mails. I would of course not side by an astrologer if he is trying to exploit Jataka by playing on his fears. > Chandrashekhar. > - > planck12 > vedic astrology > Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:28 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: A thought on Astrology and the Science > > > Dear Rageshwariji, > Interesting insight. What Im wondering though is astrology is a science having its roots in tradition and religion. I wonder what it would be like if we got charged to go into temples? I wonder wot it would be like if we got charged to pray to God? > > An astrologer is a mortal being which is very true, but the tool that he tends to be working is rather more immortal then mortal. If an astrologer has to suppor this kids and family then I think he/she should hold a full time job a job that is inline with the working world dont u think. And astrology should be something he uses to help people. As Ive come to see most of the astologers today are holding a full time job and pracitce and supplement astrology as a partime venture. After all we have to agree that the world have become very materalistic and everyone wants money. > > Has it occured that mostly people who are upset and face difficuitles in life tend to turn to astrology, it hardly the other way people who are well off turning to astrology never happens. So obvisouly people who are in trouble or pain might or might not have money. People who have money perhaps should give it in terms of donation, but what happens to people who do not have money to pay such huge sums and who are still in problem and would like to seek help what about them? > > It becomes simliar to the case of medicince a Dr not operating or helping a patient who has no money or who cannot afford. Which directly contradicts the principles of medical ethics but people still do it because of money. > > As a humanly gesture it is very inappropriate for a Dr to do that, so I think it would be inappropriate for an astrologer like wise. Especially if astrologer more so rests on the fundamentals of religion and God. Just like one of our other memebers mentioned. I see these astrologers who charge a lot of money they usually tend to predict thigns wrong why!! because its made astrology a trade and people tend to poke jokes at it when one goes to an astrologer solely because of the high sums the clients pay and nothing or perhaps only 10-20% get accurate. > > Secondly Ive observed some villiage astrologers who ask for donation or dont charge money at all make highly accurate predicitons. > > Since I believe if astrology is a divine science then the divine and the immortal force will definately though magic bring about this ability that a person who helps others without bais will provide better predictions than a person who tries to help himself first at the expence of another using a tool like astrology > > Opinions would be much appreciated > > regards > Ums > > > > > vedic astrology, "rageshwari75" <rageshwari75> wrote: > > Dear Nareshji, > > > > +1. > > > > In my opinion, an astrologer should charge money. Reason is, > > astrologer is a mortal being and he needs to put his kids through > > college education and plan for retirement. In ancient times, people > > used to respect astrologers and they used to give them dakshina > > without astrologers having to ask for it. In those days, it made > > sense for astrologers not to demand for money. But these days, people > > have not remain the same and so neither should astrologers. Besides, > > I believe astrology being science, needs a lot of research and time > > and energy. And research has its own costs right? For instance, an > > astrologer would want to attend the conferences, buy books, etc. > > Where would he/she bring money to sustain this kind of research, if > > they don't make money? So for a lot of practical purposes astrologers > > charging money makes great sense. > > > > But then we come to the concept of service and quality. If > > astrologers think they are giving some kind of service and should > > charge money for it, they need to guarantee quality of their service. > > Hence, if a prediction/remedy fails, astrologer MUST return the money > > back and update his/her knowledge. > > > > Namaste. > > > > Rageshwari. > > > > vedic astrology, "nareshcg" <nareshcg> > > wrote: > > > I have consulted quite a few astrologers till date and paid money > > > it. Almost all of them have made wrong predictions. If astrology is > > > a service being charged for, there should be a pay back/ penalty > > for > > > the wrong advice/ medication. > > > > > > vedic astrology, "planck12" <planck12> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better > > > placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine > > > science. > > > > > > > > 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for > > > everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a > > > business > > > > > > > > 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say > > that > > > all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into > > > the art religion and the science of astrology > > > > > > > > 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who > > > predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole > > > intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a > > > more infomed place. > > > > > > > > What do the classic books say about people who would start to > > > charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business > > > like any other trade in the kali yuga? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Ums > > > Sponsor > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 astrology is more than a sciense if one could pay a psycologist he should not worry paying to a good astrologer as agood astrologer guide you toward being good to other and do puja and one should be ready to face one destiny which none" nither science nor astrology" can change much.astrolger could suggest to compromise with your fate rajinder --- rageshwari75 <rageshwari75 wrote: > Dear Nareshji, > > +1. > > In my opinion, an astrologer should charge money. > Reason is, > astrologer is a mortal being and he needs to put his > kids through > college education and plan for retirement. In > ancient times, people > used to respect astrologers and they used to give > them dakshina > without astrologers having to ask for it. In those > days, it made > sense for astrologers not to demand for money. But > these days, people > have not remain the same and so neither should > astrologers. Besides, > I believe astrology being science, needs a lot of > research and time > and energy. And research has its own costs right? > For instance, an > astrologer would want to attend the conferences, buy > books, etc. > Where would he/she bring money to sustain this kind > of research, if > they don't make money? So for a lot of practical > purposes astrologers > charging money makes great sense. > > But then we come to the concept of service and > quality. If > astrologers think they are giving some kind of > service and should > charge money for it, they need to guarantee quality > of their service. > Hence, if a prediction/remedy fails, astrologer MUST > return the money > back and update his/her knowledge. > > Namaste. > > Rageshwari. > > vedic astrology, "nareshcg" > <nareshcg> > wrote: > > I have consulted quite a few astrologers till date > and paid money > > it. Almost all of them have made wrong > predictions. If astrology is > > a service being charged for, there should be a pay > back/ penalty > for > > the wrong advice/ medication. > > > > vedic astrology, "planck12" > <planck12> > > wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > Im just wondering amongest the following who > would be better > > placed in the books of God since we consider > astrology a divine > > science. > > > > > > 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict > things and for > > everything he/she says he/she charges money making > astrology a > > business > > > > > > 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation > who will say > that > > all donations are accepted again brining the > aspect of money into > > the art religion and the science of astrology > > > > > > 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money > in return, who > > predicits with the sole intention of helping and > with the sole > > intention of making the world a better place a > guided place and a > > more infomed place. > > > > > > What do the classic books say about people who > would start to > > charge money and make the science and art of > astrology a business > > like any other trade in the kali yuga? > > > > > > regards > > > Ums > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 > I wonder what it would be like if we got charged to go into > temples? I wonder wot it would be like if we got charged to pray > to God? Dear UMS, We are being charged nowadays to enter the sanctum sanctorum of the principal deity in big temples. This operates under the guise of "special entrance" and "common entrance" whereby the two entrances merge into one when entering the sanctum sanctorum!! Tirupati is a good example of this. regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Dear Chandrashekharji and Rajendraji, Its nice to know that you dont charge money for the good deed of predicting and helping. The way I tend to reason out along very simple lines. Times have no doubt changed and people infact have also changed. But the thing is if an astrologer holds and abides by the rules of sprituality and religion then his rules will stay afast and would not change with time. I mean only then can we say that an astrologer is different. I mean the science of astrology rest very much with intuition too. There are many rules in astrology and if one was to merely follow rules and leave intuition behind then one would achieve say about 40 to 60% accuray or perhaps less. But when one integrates pure intuition with astrological principles now thats where true astrology comes to play its part. The old Nostradamn Scirptuers say that he had to get intoxicated using drugs such as morphine to bring his sixth sense to life. It isbecause it is believed that some drugs calm the concious mind and bring to life the unconcious mind. which becomes hypnosis in todays world. Neways that getting out of the topic. But if an astrolger charges someone on grounds of predicting his or her destiney then the idea of self respect and intuition goes out the window. Because Astrology becomes more of a proffession, as much as it hurts to see the present state of education in India or the world where proffessors are paid money and all they come to earn at school is money (ofcourwe with the exception of few good profs) and have no clue about what they are teaching as long as the hours are fullfiled in class and they get their salary. They do not really care about a students future. Because they regard and pay more weightage to money. Similary if as Dear Rajendraji mentioned, if we begin to regard astrology as a proffession we would be doing great unjust to it. I think astrology is an art that many like to see work, few like to understand and a very few like to be obessed with and dwell truly into its true nature. We attach so much interlinking of astrology with dieties and gods but yet we at the other hand weigh its value in money and maya. Something this is totally against the rules. A spritual person who wants to praise God cannot be materaliztic and vice versa. So how then can a spritiual tool such as astrology become materaliztic and turn it into a proffession. On the concept of faith. We have faith in God inspite of we being unable to see. We have faith in Him because we turn to him durring difficult times. In a smiliar fashion someone who is distressed has faith in a good astrologer and turns to him to seek advice. God guides us without money or without any element of materalisum and so I feel a good astrologer can also do the same without the element of money. Because if we start to link money with astrology then astrology loses all its essennce and becomes like any other proffession. The only difference is other proffessions show results as in a physical law holding good in one case of engineering will definately hold good under simliar parameters in other places say I test an alloy at 1400 C and it breaks at such a such force then rest assured if that alloy is test in spain or japan or india it will yield the same results. But with astrology its not the case. It yields results to ur likings especially on the heavier issues of life like death and birth. All opinions are welcome on how the influence of money has made astrology from spritual to a materalistic money making element that sometime tends to play on peoples emotions and some astrologers taking needful people on a ride for money. Also when I come to think of it true knowledge holds good only when it is not sold or has a market value. The great maharishi gave down and passed knoweldge by solely seeing the person and then accepting him as their student rather than seeing how much money he could afford or perhaps at that time how much land he had or was he the son of a king or of the aritocracy class. regards Ums vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote: > Dear UMS, > Though I do not charge anything for predictions, I do not think that there is anything wrong if somebody does this. The reason is that not all the Jatakas follow what they should do while advising Astrologers to follow their duties. I have seen persons wanting a particular answer from astrologer pestering him to give that answer. Even on this list you will see many mails from persons cribbing about their problems, instead of seeking advice after putting up their own analysis, as this is a list for study of astrology. If somebody wants to waste his own and the astrologer's time, then there is nothing wrong if the astrologer charges him for his time. > The shastras enjoin one to help only those who approach with humility, have faith and are in disstress. You should see the language used in some of the mails. I would of course not side by an astrologer if he is trying to exploit Jataka by playing on his fears. > Chandrashekhar. > - > planck12 > vedic astrology > Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:28 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: A thought on Astrology and the Science > > > Dear Rageshwariji, > Interesting insight. What Im wondering though is astrology is a science having its roots in tradition and religion. I wonder what it would be like if we got charged to go into temples? I wonder wot it would be like if we got charged to pray to God? > > An astrologer is a mortal being which is very true, but the tool that he tends to be working is rather more immortal then mortal. If an astrologer has to suppor this kids and family then I think he/she should hold a full time job a job that is inline with the working world dont u think. And astrology should be something he uses to help people. As Ive come to see most of the astologers today are holding a full time job and pracitce and supplement astrology as a partime venture. After all we have to agree that the world have become very materalistic and everyone wants money. > > Has it occured that mostly people who are upset and face difficuitles in life tend to turn to astrology, it hardly the other way people who are well off turning to astrology never happens. So obvisouly people who are in trouble or pain might or might not have money. People who have money perhaps should give it in terms of donation, but what happens to people who do not have money to pay such huge sums and who are still in problem and would like to seek help what about them? > > It becomes simliar to the case of medicince a Dr not operating or helping a patient who has no money or who cannot afford. Which directly contradicts the principles of medical ethics but people still do it because of money. > > As a humanly gesture it is very inappropriate for a Dr to do that, so I think it would be inappropriate for an astrologer like wise. Especially if astrologer more so rests on the fundamentals of religion and God. Just like one of our other memebers mentioned. I see these astrologers who charge a lot of money they usually tend to predict thigns wrong why!! because its made astrology a trade and people tend to poke jokes at it when one goes to an astrologer solely because of the high sums the clients pay and nothing or perhaps only 10-20% get accurate. > > Secondly Ive observed some villiage astrologers who ask for donation or dont charge money at all make highly accurate predicitons. > > Since I believe if astrology is a divine science then the divine and the immortal force will definately though magic bring about this ability that a person who helps others without bais will provide better predictions than a person who tries to help himself first at the expence of another using a tool like astrology > > Opinions would be much appreciated > > regards > Ums > > > > > vedic astrology, "rageshwari75" <rageshwari75> wrote: > > Dear Nareshji, > > > > +1. > > > > In my opinion, an astrologer should charge money. Reason is, > > astrologer is a mortal being and he needs to put his kids through > > college education and plan for retirement. In ancient times, people > > used to respect astrologers and they used to give them dakshina > > without astrologers having to ask for it. In those days, it made > > sense for astrologers not to demand for money. But these days, people > > have not remain the same and so neither should astrologers. Besides, > > I believe astrology being science, needs a lot of research and time > > and energy. And research has its own costs right? For instance, an > > astrologer would want to attend the conferences, buy books, etc. > > Where would he/she bring money to sustain this kind of research, if > > they don't make money? So for a lot of practical purposes astrologers > > charging money makes great sense. > > > > But then we come to the concept of service and quality. If > > astrologers think they are giving some kind of service and should > > charge money for it, they need to guarantee quality of their service. > > Hence, if a prediction/remedy fails, astrologer MUST return the money > > back and update his/her knowledge. > > > > Namaste. > > > > Rageshwari. > > > > vedic astrology, "nareshcg" <nareshcg> > > wrote: > > > I have consulted quite a few astrologers till date and paid money > > > it. Almost all of them have made wrong predictions. If astrology is > > > a service being charged for, there should be a pay back/ penalty > > for > > > the wrong advice/ medication. > > > > > > vedic astrology, "planck12" <planck12> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better > > > placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine > > > science. > > > > > > > > 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for > > > everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a > > > business > > > > > > > > 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say > > that > > > all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into > > > the art religion and the science of astrology > > > > > > > > 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who > > > predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole > > > intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a > > > more infomed place. > > > > > > > > What do the classic books say about people who would start to > > > charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business > > > like any other trade in the kali yuga? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Ums > > > Sponsor > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release 5/29/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Dear Ramapriya, I object about charging for Astrological consultations.In Prashna Margam,it says the person who wants to know about his future must go to a well qualified Daivajna ( Jyotisha ) with fruits,flowers,coconut and Dakshina and keep them in front of the Astrologer and then ask the question.But now in this modern world all our old traditions are slowly vanishing except in villages of South India ( I have no idea about North Indian villages ) still this tradition is prevalent.Now Dakshina means not charging the fees and it is a amount which the qurent gives to an Astrologer so that whatever the Astrologer says would become correct and auspicious results to be available to him and his family. Here in Kuwait many people who come to me after completing of consultation,they ask me what is your charges.So I have told everybody who visited me that this Jyotishya is a Divine science and the predictions come from the daily prayers and the Vak Siddhi of a true Astrologer and if GOD gives you any intution in your mind to offer me as a Dakshina,I will take that amount but I will not tell them what is my fees.Ofcourse,I am still following the old tradition.( Shani my Lagna lord in 9th aspected by Guru from Meena Rasi with Budha and Surya.and Shani is considered as very old like great grand father. I know many of the listed members may not agree this but this is my principle in my life. I hope this helps you. With best regards, Ramadas Rao.Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) hotpop (DOT) com> wrote: You're right. Astrologers should especially charge. There's otherwise littleor no chance of getting sued or ruined by a client.Ramapriyahubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com----- Original Message -----<ajith (AT) ocbc-research (DOT) com>To: <vedic astrology>Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:36 AMSubject: Re: [vedic astrology] A thought on Astrology and the ScienceI don't think there is any thing wrong with charging money for a service, beit Astrology or otherwise.K. AjithArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Very Nobel thoughts and actions Ramadas Roagi, my salutations to all learned jotishas's ;-) - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Friday, June 06, 2003 3:34 PM Re: [vedic astrology] A thought on Astrology and the Science SRI RAGHAVENDRAYA NAMAH OM AKSHARAYA NAMAH Dear Ramapriya, I object about charging for Astrological consultations.In Prashna Margam,it says the person who wants to know about his future must go to a well qualified Daivajna ( Jyotisha ) with fruits,flowers,coconut and Dakshina and keep them in front of the Astrologer and then ask the question.But now in this modern world all our old traditions are slowly vanishing except in villages of South India ( I have no idea about North Indian villages ) still this tradition is prevalent.Now Dakshina means not charging the fees and it is a amount which the qurent gives to an Astrologer so that whatever the Astrologer says would become correct and auspicious results to be available to him and his family. Here in Kuwait many people who come to me after completing of consultation,they ask me what is your charges.So I have told everybody who visited me that this Jyotishya is a Divine science and the predictions come from the daily prayers and the Vak Siddhi of a true Astrologer and if GOD gives you any intution in your mind to offer me as a Dakshina,I will take that amount but I will not tell them what is my fees.Ofcourse,I am still following the old tradition.( Shani my Lagna lord in 9th aspected by Guru from Meena Rasi with Budha and Surya.and Shani is considered as very old like great grand father. I know many of the listed members may not agree this but this is my principle in my life. I hope this helps you. With best regards, Ramadas Rao.Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) hotpop (DOT) com> wrote: You're right. Astrologers should especially charge. There's otherwise littleor no chance of getting sued or ruined by a client.Ramapriyahubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com----- Original Message -----<ajith (AT) ocbc-research (DOT) com>To: <vedic astrology>Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:36 AMSubject: Re: [vedic astrology] A thought on Astrology and the ScienceI don't think there is any thing wrong with charging money for a service, beit Astrology or otherwise.K. AjithArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Dear Ramdasji, I had started the post to find a query that I can rest my own fundamentals on. I think Ur query addresses the exact nature of what I have been trying to get it. I TOTALLY AGREE with U, because just like urself it is my firm belief as I have expressed in my other posts that astrology should never be charged. Infact if someone gives something as gurudakshna then its ok to accept. But one should never charge fees for such a divine science. Hats off to U and I cannot agree more to the point best wishes and shall remain ever greatful for ur reponse on this topic regards Ums vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > SRI RAGHAVENDRAYA NAMAH OM AKSHARAYA NAMAH > Dear Ramapriya, > I object about charging for Astrological consultations.In Prashna Margam,it says the person who wants to know about his future must go to a well qualified Daivajna ( Jyotisha ) with fruits,flowers,coconut and Dakshina and keep them in front of the Astrologer and then ask the question.But now in this modern world all our old traditions are slowly vanishing except in villages of South India ( I have no idea about North Indian villages ) still this tradition is prevalent.Now Dakshina means not charging the fees and it is a amount which the qurent gives to an Astrologer so that whatever the Astrologer says would become correct and auspicious results to be available to him and his family. > Here in Kuwait many people who come to me after completing of consultation,they ask me what is your charges.So I have told everybody who visited me that this Jyotishya is a Divine science and the predictions come from the daily prayers and the Vak Siddhi of a true Astrologer and if GOD gives you any intution in your mind to offer me as a Dakshina,I will take that amount but I will not tell them what is my fees.Ofcourse,I am still following the old tradition.( Shani my Lagna lord in 9th aspected by Guru from Meena Rasi with Budha and Surya.and Shani is considered as very old like great grand father. > I know many of the listed members may not agree this but this is my principle in my life. > I hope this helps you. > With best regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > Ramapriya D <hubli@h...> wrote: > You're right. Astrologers should especially charge. There's otherwise little > or no chance of getting sued or ruined by a client. > > Ramapriya > hubli@v... > > - > <ajith@o...> > <vedic astrology> > Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:36 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] A thought on Astrology and the Science > > > > I don't think there is any thing wrong with charging money for a service, be > it Astrology or otherwise. > > K. Ajith > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 I have not, nor Do I ask for any fees for any consultations. I even respecttfully reject any such offers. HOWEVER, I do demand and charge for the software I have made to help the Asrologers...the Mathamatical Part. I really appreciate your attitude and practice. (Raichur) alias Sridharplanck12 <planck12 > wrote: Dear Ramdasji, I had started the post to find a query that I can rest my own fundamentals on. I think Ur query addresses the exact nature of what I have been trying to get it. I TOTALLY AGREE with U, because just like urself it is my firm belief as I have expressed in my other posts that astrology should never be charged. Infact if someone gives something as gurudakshna then its ok to accept. But one should never charge fees for such a divine science. Hats off to U and I cannot agree more to the point best wishes and shall remain ever greatful for ur reponse on this topic regardsUms--- In vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> SRI RAGHAVENDRAYA NAMAH OM AKSHARAYA NAMAH> Dear Ramapriya,> I object about charging for Astrological consultations.In Prashna Margam,it says the person who wants to know about his future must go to a well qualified Daivajna ( Jyotisha ) with fruits,flowers,coconut and Dakshina and keep them in front of the Astrologer and then ask the question.But now in this modern world all our old traditions are slowly vanishing except in villages of South India ( I have no idea about North Indian villages ) still this tradition is prevalent.Now Dakshina means not charging the fees and it is a amount which the qurent gives to an Astrologer so that whatever the Astrologer says would become correct and auspicious results to be available to him and his family.> Here in Kuwait many people who come to me after completing of consultation,they ask me what is your charges.So I have told everybody who visited me that this Jyotishya is a Divine science and the predictions come from the daily prayers and the Vak Siddhi of a true Astrologer and if GOD gives you any intution in your mind to offer me as a Dakshina,I will take that amount but I will not tell them what is my fees.Ofcourse,I am still following the old tradition.( Shani my Lagna lord in 9th aspected by Guru from Meena Rasi with Budha and Surya.and Shani is considered as very old like great grand father.> I know many of the listed members may not agree this but this is my principle in my life.> I hope this helps you.> With best regards,> Ramadas Rao.> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Dear Rageshwari, If you noticed, I explained at the beginning of my mail that I personally do not charge. Having said that, I remember that once my father told me that you get the correct answers in proportion to the sincerity of questions you ask. There are hypocondriacs in every field of life and if they choose to avail of any service, they should expect to pay. I remember there is a method of how to approach an astrologer given in "Prashna Tantra" Ch1Stanza 3and also elswhere; where it is said that jataka should worship the Daivagnya and offer him dakshina. As a matter of fact it says"Kusumaratnaphalaagrahasta", which means Flowers, Fruits and Gems. So how many of those who want to quote scriptures or tomes on astrology have done so in their life? Again, in a predictive science guarantee is a word that is a misfit. More so in case of astrology as the Jataka has also to follow his dharma for the fruits to come through. This is something that the astrologer would, obviously, have no control over. Have you noticed how many people address a query with a flipant "Hi" and do not even sign their names even on a study list? I hope you get my meaning. Chandrashekhar. - rageshwari75 vedic astrology Friday, June 06, 2003 3:03 AM [vedic astrology] Re: A thought on Astrology and the Science Dear Chandrashekharji,You bring a good point too.So then I suppose a charge/no-charge decision should be made based on how much in distress the Jataka is i.e. how badly the jataka needs help. But then if Jataka is asking for input on not so life-threatening time-critical factors such as whether my 7 year old son would go to Harvard, an astrologer might ask for fees. But again, I sincerely believe that in this case astrologer must guarantee the quality of prediction.But when in comes to remedies, I believe they should be kept free. Why? Because our Vedas and Vedaangas are there to help people in need; to provide fodder to folks who seek evolution of their soul. Then why to deprieve these people of wonderful and effective remedies for the sake of money? And besides, I believe that by suggesting remedies without any material expectations is a way for an Astrologer to earn good karma.Namaste.Rageshwari.vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear UMS,> Though I do not charge anything for predictions, I do not think that there is anything wrong if somebody does this. The reason is that not all the Jatakas follow what they should do while advising Astrologers to follow their duties. I have seen persons wanting a particular answer from astrologer pestering him to give that answer. Even on this list you will see many mails from persons cribbing about their problems, instead of seeking advice after putting up their own analysis, as this is a list for study of astrology. If somebody wants to waste his own and the astrologer's time, then there is nothing wrong if the astrologer charges him for his time.> The shastras enjoin one to help only those who approach with humility, have faith and are in disstress. You should see the language used in some of the mails. I would of course not side by an astrologer if he is trying to exploit Jataka by playing on his fears.> Chandrashekhar.> - > planck12 > To: vedic astrology > Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:28 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: A thought on Astrology and the Science> > > Dear Rageshwariji, > Interesting insight. What Im wondering though is astrology is a science having its roots in tradition and religion. I wonder what it would be like if we got charged to go into temples? I wonder wot it would be like if we got charged to pray to God? > > An astrologer is a mortal being which is very true, but the tool that he tends to be working is rather more immortal then mortal. If an astrologer has to suppor this kids and family then I think he/she should hold a full time job a job that is inline with the working world dont u think. And astrology should be something he uses to help people. As Ive come to see most of the astologers today are holding a full time job and pracitce and supplement astrology as a partime venture. After all we have to agree that the world have become very materalistic and everyone wants money. > > Has it occured that mostly people who are upset and face difficuitles in life tend to turn to astrology, it hardly the other way people who are well off turning to astrology never happens. So obvisouly people who are in trouble or pain might or might not have money. People who have money perhaps should give it in terms of donation, but what happens to people who do not have money to pay such huge sums and who are still in problem and would like to seek help what about them? > > It becomes simliar to the case of medicince a Dr not operating or helping a patient who has no money or who cannot afford. Which directly contradicts the principles of medical ethics but people still do it because of money. > > As a humanly gesture it is very inappropriate for a Dr to do that, so I think it would be inappropriate for an astrologer like wise. Especially if astrologer more so rests on the fundamentals of religion and God. Just like one of our other memebers mentioned. I see these astrologers who charge a lot of money they usually tend to predict thigns wrong why!! because its made astrology a trade and people tend to poke jokes at it when one goes to an astrologer solely because of the high sums the clients pay and nothing or perhaps only 10-20% get accurate. > > Secondly Ive observed some villiage astrologers who ask for donation or dont charge money at all make highly accurate predicitons. > > Since I believe if astrology is a divine science then the divine and the immortal force will definately though magic bring about this ability that a person who helps others without bais will provide better predictions than a person who tries to help himself first at the expence of another using a tool like astrology> > Opinions would be much appreciated> > regards> Ums> > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "rageshwari75" <rageshwari75> wrote:> > Dear Nareshji,> > > > +1.> > > > In my opinion, an astrologer should charge money. Reason is, > > astrologer is a mortal being and he needs to put his kids through > > college education and plan for retirement. In ancient times, people > > used to respect astrologers and they used to give them dakshina > > without astrologers having to ask for it. In those days, it made > > sense for astrologers not to demand for money. But these days, people > > have not remain the same and so neither should astrologers. Besides, > > I believe astrology being science, needs a lot of research and time > > and energy. And research has its own costs right? For instance, an > > astrologer would want to attend the conferences, buy books, etc. > > Where would he/she bring money to sustain this kind of research, if > > they don't make money? So for a lot of practical purposes astrologers > > charging money makes great sense.> > > > But then we come to the concept of service and quality. If > > astrologers think they are giving some kind of service and should > > charge money for it, they need to guarantee quality of their service. > > Hence, if a prediction/remedy fails, astrologer MUST return the money > > back and update his/her knowledge.> > > > Namaste.> > > > Rageshwari.> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "nareshcg" <nareshcg> > > wrote:> > > I have consulted quite a few astrologers till date and paid money > > > it. Almost all of them have made wrong predictions. If astrology is > > > a service being charged for, there should be a pay back/ penalty > > for > > > the wrong advice/ medication.> > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "planck12" <planck12> > > > wrote:> > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Im just wondering amongest the following who would be better > > > placed in the books of God since we consider astrology a divine > > > science. > > > > > > > > 1.An astrologer who charges money to predict things and for > > > everything he/she says he/she charges money making astrology a > > > business > > > > > > > > 2. An astrologer who wants some kind of donation who will say > > that > > > all donations are accepted again brining the aspect of money into > > > the art religion and the science of astrology > > > > > > > > 3.An astrologer who predicts without any money in return, who > > > predicits with the sole intention of helping and with the sole > > > intention of making the world a better place a guided place and a > > > more infomed place. > > > > > > > > What do the classic books say about people who would start to > > > charge money and make the science and art of astrology a business > > > like any other trade in the kali yuga?> > > > > > > > regards> > > > Ums> > > Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Dear Sridharji, Thanks for co-operating with me.And as for the software you can charge.Because it is made out of your profession. With best regards, Ramadas Rao.sridhar k <kopparsa > wrote: Dear Ramdas ji I have not, nor Do I ask for any fees for any consultations. I even respecttfully reject any such offers. HOWEVER, I do demand and charge for the software I have made to help the Asrologers...the Mathamatical Part. I really appreciate your attitude and practice. (Raichur) alias Sridharplanck12 <planck12 > wrote: Dear Ramdasji, I had started the post to find a query that I can rest my own fundamentals on. I think Ur query addresses the exact nature of what I have been trying to get it. I TOTALLY AGREE with U, because just like urself it is my firm belief as I have expressed in my other posts that astrology should never be charged. Infact if someone gives something as gurudakshna then its ok to accept. But one should never charge fees for such a divine science. Hats off to U and I cannot agree more to the point best wishes and shall remain ever greatful for ur reponse on this topic regardsUms--- In vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> SRI RAGHAVENDRAYA NAMAH OM AKSHARAYA NAMAH> Dear Ramapriya,> I object about charging for Astrological consultations.In Prashna Margam,it says the person who wants to know about his future must go to a well qualified Daivajna ( Jyotisha ) with fruits,flowers,coconut and Dakshina and keep them in front of the Astrologer and then ask the question.But now in this modern world all our old traditions are slowly vanishing except in villages of South India ( I have no idea about North Indian villages ) still this tradition is prevalent.Now Dakshina means not charging the fees and it is a amount which the qurent gives to an Astrologer so that whatever the Astrologer says would become correct and auspicious results to be available to him and his family.> Here in Kuwait many people who come to me after completing of consultation,they ask me what is your charges.So I have told everybody who visited me that this Jyotishya is a Divine science and the predictions come from the daily prayers and the Vak Siddhi of a true Astrologer and if GOD gives you any intution in your mind to offer me as a Dakshina,I will take that amount but I will not tell them what is my fees.Ofcourse,I am still following the old tradition.( Shani my Lagna lord in 9th aspected by Guru from Meena Rasi with Budha and Surya.and Shani is considered as very old like great grand father.> I know many of the listed members may not agree this but this is my principle in my life.> I hope this helps you.> With best regards,> Ramadas Rao.> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Om Hoom Ram Chaitanyayai Namah Dear Ramadas Ji, Thank you very much for your excellent answer! All are in hands of Supreme GOD! If we do our job properly, we will have money, and as a rule, not from our services. If somebody desire to have big money from Jyotish services, teaching and science, treatment, that is very big mistake. We can have some money from that, but that should be as gratitude from others. In other way, it's better to find any other services to get money for the given service. Youry ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:34:05 +0100 (BST) Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao Re: A thought on Astrology and the Science SRI RAGHAVENDRAYA NAMAH OM AKSHARAYA NAMAH Dear Ramapriya, I object about charging for Astrological consultations.In Prashna Margam,it says the person who wants to know about his future must go to a well qualified Daivajna ( Jyotisha ) with fruits,flowers,coconut and Dakshina and keep them in front of the Astrologer and then ask the question.But now in this modern world all our old traditions are slowly vanishing except in villages of South India ( I have no idea about North Indian villages ) still this tradition is prevalent.Now Dakshina means not charging the fees and it is a amount which the qurent gives to an Astrologer so that whatever the Astrologer says would become correct and auspicious results to be available to him and his family. Here in Kuwait many people who come to me after completing of consultation,they ask me what is your charges.So I have told everybody who visited me that this Jyotishya is a Divine science and the predictions come from the daily prayers and the Vak Siddhi of a true Astrologer and if GOD gives you any intution in your mind to offer me as a Dakshina,I will take that amount but I will not tell them what is my fees.Ofcourse,I am still following the old tradition.( Shani my Lagna lord in 9th aspected by Guru from Meena Rasi with Budha and Surya.and Shani is considered as very old like great grand father. I know many of the listed members may not agree this but this is my principle in my life. I hope this helps you. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Ramapriya D <hubli wrote: You're right. Astrologers should especially charge. There's otherwise little or no chance of getting sued or ruined by a client. Ramapriya hubli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Youry, The Bhagavad Gita says: "Dexterity in action is yoga". Now reflect on what this means:- Dexterity means skills in action means applied yoga means path of selfless action or deeds. In other words, it says that we should not expect anything from our own actions even though we are masters of the craft. It also says we all should aspire for perfection in whatever we do but if we expect anything out of this, we make the cardinal mistake of not understanding detachment. Well done, Youry! You have expressed the essence of these immortal words very well! Have you read Richard Bach's "Jonathan Livingstone Seagull"? It is a simple, yet profoundly inspiring story that essentially echoes what the Bhagavad Gita says and what you have expressed. regards Hari vedic astrology, khmelevsky_y@u... wrote: > Om Hoom Ram Chaitanyayai Namah > Dear Ramadas Ji, > Thank you very much for your excellent answer! All are in hands of Supreme > GOD! > If we do our job properly, we will have money, and as a rule, not from our > services. If somebody desire to have big money from Jyotish services, teaching and science, treatment, > that is very big mistake. We can have some money from that, but that > should be as gratitude from others. > In other way, it's better to find any other services to get money for the > given service. > Youry > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Respected Members, Namaskar, Well everyone seems to be having great opinions about whether an Astrologer should charge or not. Some even want the astrologer to have an alternative profession for earning money and provide astrological consultations free of cost or to accept Dakshina offered by the jataka, as per jataka's convenience etc., These are great Jupiter type thoughts. In the real world, such thoughts are hard to swallow(sorry for putting it so bluntly) and are really hollow sounding words. (Also when I used the word "Astrologer", I mean a real studious vedic astrologer who has gone through all scriptures, hundreds/thousands of charts and has command over various aspects of various astrology. I do not count those who are using astrology to generate money only by selling talismans, yantaras, kavachs, etc and who never do any meaningful analysis.Such people are giving controversial/bad name to astrology everywhere) Now our friends are holding the astrologer to such high standards, on which even most intelligent professionals will fail everyday! Are the Engineers, Doctors , Accountants etc not over –charging their customers everyday? Is there anything wrong that various professionals are getting good salaries? Well most will say that there is nothing wrong, since they have studied for several years in professional institutions etc., So when the astrologer has studied hundreds/thousands of shlokas and their interpretations, than does that make him/her a lesser person in any manner? In America, the Doctor easily charges $100 for one visit for just giving a prescription and without medical insurance, the charges may be even higher. So why not hold the Doctor to same high standards. While there are several doctors who go to third world countries to volunteer their services for years, yet there are others who are making millions in western world and so what type of standards are set for these people? What about the Industrialist who layoff people even when companies are making profit? Can we hold them accountable that they are not serving the humanity at reasonable costs? The answer is No, we cannot do so. So tomorrow if the hard working astrologer falls sick, will the doctor come to his/her rescue? Will the Doctor help Engineers, who are unemployed and sick or who cannot afford their services? The same is true for all types of professionals.( I have nothing against the Doctors who are charging money everytime nor am I just making comments on Doctors only. This is just an example only). So when everyone had human and material needs in Kaliyuga, then what is the point in enforcing Satayuga standards on the poor astrologer, who is honest? When people pay $200/300 for magical talismans etc., do they ever question those controversial astrologers? So its obvious that we choose to humiliate those hard working astrologers(and also other professionals) who appear to be weak or who are humble. Even with all great talks about Atamakaraka and Moksha etc., the man needs a place to live till the last day of life on earth and there is no difference between India, America etc., as far as cost of living is concerned. The price for continued existence has to be paid everywhere continuously by all who want to survive. So are we saying that its OK for the astrologer to say goodbye to Goddess Lakshmi (money) while its OK for us to take free guidance and keep the money. (long time back I was told to say goodbye to 21 day salary because of incomplete Engg. work done by me, just to save my job. Since I had worked hard, so I quit the job but took my legitimate money. Later same day, I was hired again, since the work was found to be complete. So if I had not stood my ground, then I would appear to be incompetent Engineer who could not even pay his bills. So why refuse Dakshina, when you have done your work? In the harsh capitalistic markets of today, even good quality water is costly not to talk about bread and butter) These are my thoughts and I think they deserve some attention . No offence intended, sorry If I sound so harsh. well the world is harsh everywhere until we keep paying for everything. So what's the fun in not charging and killing yourself! Where is it written in Bhagvad Gita that Karma's results should not be demanded(It merely says not to have materialistic desires but accept whatever results of the karma are awarded. In real life they have to be demanded unfortunately. Even Pandavas had to demand their Kingdom from the Kauravas, who were least bothered about religious teachings. When In Dwapuryuga, Lord Krishna had to order Arjuna to fight for his rights, then what to talk about this capitalistic harsh kaliyuga) with regards Rajesh Kumaria vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > > Dear Youry, > > The Bhagavad Gita says: "Dexterity in action is yoga". > > Now reflect on what this means:- > > Dexterity means skills > in action means applied > yoga means path of selfless action or deeds. > > In other words, it says that we should not expect anything from our > own actions even though we are masters of the craft. It also says we > all should aspire for perfection in whatever we do but if we expect > anything out of this, we make the cardinal mistake of not > understanding detachment. > > Well done, Youry! You have expressed the essence of these immortal > words very well! > > Have you read Richard Bach's "Jonathan Livingstone Seagull"? It is a > simple, yet profoundly inspiring story that essentially echoes what > the Bhagavad Gita says and what you have expressed. > > regards > Hari > > vedic astrology, khmelevsky_y@u... wrote: > > Om Hoom Ram Chaitanyayai Namah > > Dear Ramadas Ji, > > Thank you very much for your excellent answer! All are in hands of > Supreme > > GOD! > > If we do our job properly, we will have money, and as a rule, not > from our > > services. If somebody desire to have big money from Jyotish > services, teaching and science, treatment, > > that is very big mistake. We can have some money from that, but > that > > should be as gratitude from others. > > In other way, it's better to find any other services to get money > for the > > given service. > > Youry > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Dear Rajeshji, The question here is not about weather astrology can be classified as a pro= ffession or not. But rather the wot is morally and ethically correct. If an = astrologer changes with time that means he is not an astrologer since his pr= inciples change with time and he is dictated by others and society around hi= m as to how he will funtion and act. A person of principles is the one that = sticks to tradation and abides by it. Ofcourse there is nothing wrong with making money everyone needs it in this= world. But to overshadow it and make use of astrology as a divine science t= o make money is what tends to be ethically wrong. It is like if u want to re= ad the Geeta U will have to pay to read it when u go to the temple or anythi= ng along those lines. I think if an astrologer wants to make money solely be= cause he wants money then he should take himself out of the cover of religio= n and declare clearly that he wants money and only then he will say and pred= ict things. Then the astrolger should forget about religion and God and so forth or I w= ant to make money in the name of God or that God wishes I make money or in g= eneral what Im trying to say is leave the spritualiztic touch and turn mater= aliztic and be upfront. That I want to take money off from U first then pred= ict something if its right ur luck and if its wrong ur unluck. Either case I= will charge money. that should be the apporach rather than the god like spr= itual like approach. Secondly I think an astrologer could land up with a job perhaps with the Dr= and help predict about cancers and diseases for patients before hand so tha= t they can be cured. SEe this way it makes more sense to earn money. No one = will know about the true nature its like the hindi saying " Moo mai ram ram = bhagal mai churi". He can easily get away with making money. But guess what = if he cannot land up with such a job since I think it would be hard. I think= he could predict his own desitney as to win he will win a lottery or perhap= s perdict the destiney of a client as to when the client will win a lottery = and make a deal with the cliet saying that if he win the lottery that 40% co= mmission to the astrologer. I think that would be pretty appropriate too. I = mean after all even if he takes a 100 clients and even if he has a probabli= ty of 40% I think he would be successful with 1 to 6 clients and say if one = client wins a $100,000 50% of that would be pretty good or for the astrologe= r. So u see its not a question about money or proffession. Its a question abou= t how a person uses his or her talent. Mechanical engineers can make medical= eqeuipment and mechanical engineering can make nuke warhead and ballsitic m= issles. Its not the proffession and its not even the degree in mechanical en= gineering. It is the mind set of the engineering and what he considers his p= rinciples as and what his mind guides him to do and the concious dicates. regards Ums vedic astrology, "Rajesh Mohan Kumaria" <rajeshkumar= ia2000> wrote: > Respected Members, Namaskar, > > Well everyone seems to be having great opinions about whether an > Astrologer should charge or not. Some even want the astrologer to > have an alternative profession for earning money and provide > astrological consultations free of cost or to accept Dakshina > offered by the jataka, as per jataka's convenience etc., These are > great Jupiter type thoughts. In the real world, such thoughts are > hard to swallow(sorry for putting it so bluntly) and are really > hollow sounding words. > > (Also when I used the word "Astrologer", I mean a real studious vedic > astrologer who has gone through all scriptures, hundreds/thousands of > charts and has command over various aspects of various astrology. I > do not count those who are using astrology to generate money only by > selling talismans, yantaras, kavachs, etc and who never do any > meaningful analysis.Such people are giving controversial/bad name to > astrology everywhere) > > Now our friends are holding the astrologer to such high standards, on > which even most intelligent professionals will fail everyday! Are the > Engineers, Doctors , Accountants etc not over –charging their > customers everyday? Is there anything wrong that various > professionals are getting good salaries? Well most will say that > there is nothing wrong, since they have studied for several years in > professional institutions etc., So when the astrologer has studied > hundreds/thousands of shlokas and their interpretations, than does > that make him/her a lesser person in any manner? In America, the > Doctor easily charges $100 for one visit for just giving a > prescription and without medical insurance, the charges may be even > higher. So why not hold the Doctor to same high standards. While > there are several doctors who go to third world countries to > volunteer their services for years, yet there are others who are > making millions in western world and so what type of standards are > set for these people? What about the Industrialist who layoff people > even when companies are making profit? Can we hold them accountable > that they are not serving the humanity at reasonable costs? The > answer is No, we cannot do so. So tomorrow if the hard working > astrologer falls sick, will the doctor come to his/her rescue? Will > the Doctor help Engineers, who are unemployed and sick or who > cannot afford their services? The same is true for all types of > professionals.( I have nothing against the Doctors who are charging > money everytime nor am I just making comments on Doctors only. This > is just an example only). > > So when everyone had human and material needs in Kaliyuga, then what > is the point in enforcing Satayuga standards on the poor astrologer, > who is honest? When people pay $200/300 for magical talismans etc., > do they ever question those controversial astrologers? So its obvious > that we choose to humiliate those hard working astrologers(and also > other professionals) who appear to be weak or who are humble. Even > with all great talks about Atamakaraka and Moksha etc., the man needs > a place to live till the last day of life on earth and there is no > difference between India, America etc., as far as cost of living is > concerned. The price for continued existence has to be paid > everywhere continuously by all who want to survive. So are we saying > that its OK for the astrologer to say goodbye to Goddess Lakshmi > (money) while its OK for us to take free guidance and keep the money. > > (long time back I was told to say goodbye to 21 day salary because of > incomplete Engg. work done by me, just to save my job. Since I had > worked hard, so I quit the job but took my legitimate money. Later > same day, I was hired again, since the work was found to be complete. > So if I had not stood my ground, then I would appear to be > incompetent Engineer who could not even pay his bills. So why refuse > Dakshina, when you have done your work? In the harsh capitalistic > markets of today, even good quality water is costly not to talk about > bread and butter) > > These are my thoughts and I think they deserve some attention . No > offence intended, sorry If I sound so harsh. well the world is harsh > everywhere until we keep paying for everything. So what's the fun in > not charging and killing yourself! Where is it written in Bhagvad > Gita that Karma's results should not be demanded(It merely says not > to have materialistic desires but accept whatever results of the > karma are awarded. In real life they have to be demanded > unfortunately. Even Pandavas had to demand their Kingdom from the > Kauravas, who were least bothered about religious teachings. When In > Dwapuryuga, Lord Krishna had to order Arjuna to fight for his rights, > then what to talk about this capitalistic harsh kaliyuga) > with regards > Rajesh Kumaria > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> > wrote: > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > > > > Dear Youry, > > > > The Bhagavad Gita says: "Dexterity in action is yoga". > > > > Now reflect on what this means:- > > > > Dexterity means skills > > in action means applied > > yoga means path of selfless action or deeds. > > > > In other words, it says that we should not expect anything from our > > own actions even though we are masters of the craft. It also says > we > > all should aspire for perfection in whatever we do but if we expect > > anything out of this, we make the cardinal mistake of not > > understanding detachment. > > > > Well done, Youry! You have expressed the essence of these immortal > > words very well! > > > > Have you read Richard Bach's "Jonathan Livingstone Seagull"? It is > a > > simple, yet profoundly inspiring story that essentially echoes what > > the Bhagavad Gita says and what you have expressed. > > > > regards > > Hari > > > > vedic astrology, khmelevsky_y@u... wrote: > > > Om Hoom Ram Chaitanyayai Namah > > > Dear Ramadas Ji, > > > Thank you very much for your excellent answer! All are in hands > of > > Supreme > > > GOD! > > > If we do our job properly, we will have money, and as a rule, not > > from our > > > services. If somebody desire to have big money from Jyotish > > services, teaching and science, treatment, > > > that is very big mistake. We can have some money from that, but > > that > > > should be as gratitude from others. > > > In other way, it's better to find any other services to get money > > for the > > > given service. > > > Youry > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Dear Hari, Thankyou for this quote from the Gita. I have only recently joined this list, and I have found all the various discussions really helpful to study. Thankyou. The key words for me are "expecting anything out of this" If the approach of a jyotishi is clean, and the bhavana is pure, surely a fee or a donation can be indicated, without expecting anything out of this? The purpose of payment is to remove financial anxiety, the costs of providing the service. If it is not paid, surely , a jyotishi in his place can accept this too. The Gita says selfless action or deeds, which to me means action or deeds for the Self with a capital S. As long as all actions are for the paramatman, including the request for a fee or donation, we are in line. The Absolute is in all things, the software, the conferences, the knowledge and the client. Surely it is better that a person has access to a jyotishi, than not, and in the West, there is much learning, or unlearning as they say, needed to provide useful advice to a person. This does cost money, time and effort. Is the money really ours anyway? It is an exchange mechanism, that really belongs to God. Plato says wealth is not Wealth unless one knows how to use it. Does not the Laws of Manu say "Give everyman his due" ? These are just the reminders that have come up in this mind by this discussion. I pray they do not offend. Humbily yours, Rosemary Innes-Jones - onlyhari vedic astrology Saturday, June 07, 2003 2:15 PM [vedic astrology] Re: A thought on Astrology and the Science ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---Dear Youry,The Bhagavad Gita says: "Dexterity in action is yoga".Now reflect on what this means:-Dexterity means skillsin action means appliedyoga means path of selfless action or deeds.In other words, it says that we should not expect anything from our own actions even though we are masters of the craft. It also says we all should aspire for perfection in whatever we do but if we expect anything out of this, we make the cardinal mistake of not understanding detachment.Well done, Youry! You have expressed the essence of these immortal words very well!Have you read Richard Bach's "Jonathan Livingstone Seagull"? It is a simple, yet profoundly inspiring story that essentially echoes what the Bhagavad Gita says and what you have expressed.regardsHarivedic astrology, khmelevsky_y@u... wrote:> Om Hoom Ram Chaitanyayai Namah > Dear Ramadas Ji,> Thank you very much for your excellent answer! All are in hands of Supreme > GOD! > If we do our job properly, we will have money, and as a rule, not from our > services. If somebody desire to have big money from Jyotish services, teaching and science, treatment, > that is very big mistake. We can have some money from that, but that > should be as gratitude from others.> In other way, it's better to find any other services to get money for the > given service. > Youry > >Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 Om Hoom Ram Chaitanyayai Namah Dear Onlyhari, if I can name you in such way. Thanks a lot for your warm words! I've read several times Bhagavad Gita from different authors in Russian and I'm going to read that in English. Unfortunately, I can't read in Sanskrit, but I dream about that (gently). Now my Goddess teach me how to perform my job without any expectations. If I perform my job in such way, I have perfect results always. If I think about fruitfulness of my job, independently for me or for other people, always I have negative results. It was started about 3-5 years ago, and just now I recognized my lessons. I very like Bhagavad Gita and try to live with accordance to the Bhagavad Gita and other similar books. Unfortunately, I didn't read Richard Bach's "Jonathan Livingstone Seagull". May I find that in Internet? Youry ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sat, 07 Jun 2003 02:15:54 -0000 "onlyhari" <onlyhari Re: A thought on Astrology and the Science ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Youry, The Bhagavad Gita says: "Dexterity in action is yoga". Now reflect on what this means:- Dexterity means skills in action means applied yoga means path of selfless action or deeds. In other words, it says that we should not expect anything from our own actions even though we are masters of the craft. It also says we all should aspire for perfection in whatever we do but if we expect anything out of this, we make the cardinal mistake of not understanding detachment. Well done, Youry! You have expressed the essence of these immortal words very well! Have you read Richard Bach's "Jonathan Livingstone Seagull"? It is a simple, yet profoundly inspiring story that essentially echoes what the Bhagavad Gita says and what you have expressed. regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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