Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Hi there, Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help. Surj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Hi Surj, Yellow sapphire it should be. You can wear it as part of either a ring or pendant, as long as it touches your skin. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli - "surj23" <surj23 <vedic astrology> Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:57 AM [vedic astrology] Gems > Hi there, > > Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow > Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or > does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help. > > Surj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 Dear Surj, it depends on your chart. If your Moon is in weaker dignity in the Shadvargas than Mars, then take the Topaz, if Mars is weaker take the Sapphire. Rings are better generally than pendants as the stone will always touch the skin- just make sure that the stone is set 2-3 millimeters below the edge of the ring. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net surj23 [surj23] Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:57 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Gems Hi there, Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help. Surj Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 I guess it's not always easy to distinquish the two- for ex: My lagnesh Moon is in Scorpio/deb, deb cancelled: Mars angular. Now, we learnt that LL is the strongest, then this particular situation, I'd say Mars is stronger, but it opposes the first rule? Then, what's the difference btw Topaz/Y.sapphire based upon? I don't wear my yellow Sapphire since Jup. came to Cn- I feel it's not good for my health- otherwise, I don't know..Would you please comment. Btw: I enjoy your book- it's esthetically nicely arranged, pleasure for eyes/even/Thnks. AnnaErnst Wilhelm <ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Surj, it depends on your chart. If your Moon is in weaker dignity in theShadvargas than Mars, then take the Topaz, if Mars is weaker take theSapphire.Rings are better generally than pendants as the stone will always touchthe skin- just make sure that the stone is set 2-3 millimeters below theedge of the ring.Jai Ram,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.net-----Original Message-----surj23 [surj23 ] Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] GemsHi there,Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help.SurjArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Hi to all, I have one doubt about this story about gems. I think it is very important whether a gem is cut or uncut but I haven't seen anybody mentioned that....maybe I am wrong... Best regards. Ognjen PS. why is so necessary for gems to be transparent? I have seen opinion that transparent gems relates more on spiritual realm and non-transparent on material? - Ernst Wilhelm vedic astrology Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:37 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Surj, it depends on your chart. If your Moon is in weaker dignity in theShadvargas than Mars, then take the Topaz, if Mars is weaker take theSapphire.Rings are better generally than pendants as the stone will always touchthe skin- just make sure that the stone is set 2-3 millimeters below theedge of the ring.Jai Ram,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.net-----Original Message-----surj23 [surj23 ] Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] GemsHi there,Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help.SurjArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Oh, I'd be damned if gems were to be uncut!! It's only when they're shaped that light passing thru them gets concentrated in a desirable manner. Not having definitive material on this, I hazard a guess, purely on uncommon commonsense, that gems should be cut ) Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ognjen vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:43 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Hi to all, I have one doubt about this story about gems. I think it is very important whether a gem is cut or uncut but I haven't seen anybody mentioned that....maybe I am wrong... Best regards. Ognjen PS. why is so necessary for gems to be transparent? I have seen opinion that transparent gems relates more on spiritual realm and non-transparent on material? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Dear Ramapriya, I find illogical that gems should be cut. Gems are natural way of manifesting the qualities of grahas so I think that they should remain uncut. Nowadays, gems are cut mainly because broken pieces of some larger gem are presented like nature, flawless gems 'cause of a higher price. Ognjen - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:51 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Oh, I'd be damned if gems were to be uncut!! It's only when they're shaped that light passing thru them gets concentrated in a desirable manner. Not having definitive material on this, I hazard a guess, purely on uncommon commonsense, that gems should be cut ) Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ognjen vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:43 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Hi to all, I have one doubt about this story about gems. I think it is very important whether a gem is cut or uncut but I haven't seen anybody mentioned that....maybe I am wrong... Best regards. Ognjen PS. why is so necessary for gems to be transparent? I have seen opinion that transparent gems relates more on spiritual realm and non-transparent on material?Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Dear Ognjen, As far as I'm concerned, the considerations for gem-cutting are more or less comparable to why crude oil or natural gas is refined into various products like petrol, LPG, etc. The natural form of substances isn't necessarily their best or most optimal form. Unless you believe the higher price that cut gems fetch is merely an upshot of something merely esthetic. Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com - Ognjen vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:05 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Ramapriya, I find illogical that gems should be cut. Gems are natural way of manifesting the qualities of grahas so I think that they should remain uncut. Nowadays, gems are cut mainly because broken pieces of some larger gem are presented like nature, flawless gems 'cause of a higher price. Ognjen - Ramapriya D vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:51 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Oh, I'd be damned if gems were to be uncut!! It's only when they're shaped that light passing thru them gets concentrated in a desirable manner. Not having definitive material on this, I hazard a guess, purely on uncommon commonsense, that gems should be cut ) Ramapriya hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Dear Ongjen, I have not found size or cut or other wise mentioned wrt gems in astrological works. The logic behind, mostly using cut gem is that you can see impurities with beter clarity and avoid such gem.Also during cut some inpurities can be cut off the gem. If the gem is true representative of the Planet in terms of Colour its shade etc, and provided it does not have any impurities, it can be worn. Or at least this is what I deduce after going through the texts and applying my Viveka( sense of proportions). Chandrashekhar. - Ognjen vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Hi to all, I have one doubt about this story about gems. I think it is very important whether a gem is cut or uncut but I haven't seen anybody mentioned that....maybe I am wrong... Best regards. Ognjen PS. why is so necessary for gems to be transparent? I have seen opinion that transparent gems relates more on spiritual realm and non-transparent on material? - Ernst Wilhelm vedic astrology Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:37 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Surj, it depends on your chart. If your Moon is in weaker dignity in theShadvargas than Mars, then take the Topaz, if Mars is weaker take theSapphire.Rings are better generally than pendants as the stone will always touchthe skin- just make sure that the stone is set 2-3 millimeters below theedge of the ring.Jai Ram,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.net-----Original Message-----surj23 [surj23 ] Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] GemsHi there,Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help.SurjArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, thank you for your input.. I would just want to know about the transparency of gems. I think scriptures suggest that a gem should be transparent. Is it true? What is your experience? Thank you in advance.. Best regards. Ognjen - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:13 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Ongjen, I have not found size or cut or other wise mentioned wrt gems in astrological works. The logic behind, mostly using cut gem is that you can see impurities with beter clarity and avoid such gem.Also during cut some inpurities can be cut off the gem. If the gem is true representative of the Planet in terms of Colour its shade etc, and provided it does not have any impurities, it can be worn. Or at least this is what I deduce after going through the texts and applying my Viveka( sense of proportions). Chandrashekhar. - Ognjen vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Hi to all, I have one doubt about this story about gems. I think it is very important whether a gem is cut or uncut but I haven't seen anybody mentioned that....maybe I am wrong... Best regards. Ognjen PS. why is so necessary for gems to be transparent? I have seen opinion that transparent gems relates more on spiritual realm and non-transparent on material? - Ernst Wilhelm vedic astrology Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:37 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Surj, it depends on your chart. If your Moon is in weaker dignity in theShadvargas than Mars, then take the Topaz, if Mars is weaker take theSapphire.Rings are better generally than pendants as the stone will always touchthe skin- just make sure that the stone is set 2-3 millimeters below theedge of the ring.Jai Ram,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.net-----Original Message-----surj23 [surj23 ] Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] GemsHi there,Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help.SurjArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Dear Ernest, I am puzzled how did you mix Mars and Moon in the story about a gem for Jupiter. Maybe because Mars and Moon governs signs in trine with respect to Pisces? Or is it something specific to that natal chart? What is the logic behind all this? It is beyond my reach, please advise. Thank you in advance. Ognjen " it depends on your chart. If your Moon is in weaker dignity in theShadvargas than Mars, then take the Topaz, if Mars is weaker take theSapphire."surj23 [surj23 ] Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:57 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] GemsHi there,Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help.SurjArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Dear Ogngen, A stone has to be without blemish. So when it is a stone like saffire ,Diamond or Ruby, being transparent helps check is any impurities are present. In case of Gems loke Corral,Pearl and good quality Emerald, by their very origin they are opaque or some times semi transperant. Here one should check for any off colour blemishes. Chandrashekhar. - Ognjen vedic astrology Monday, June 09, 2003 7:29 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Chandrashekhar, thank you for your input.. I would just want to know about the transparency of gems. I think scriptures suggest that a gem should be transparent. Is it true? What is your experience? Thank you in advance.. Best regards. Ognjen - Chandrashekhar vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:13 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Ongjen, I have not found size or cut or other wise mentioned wrt gems in astrological works. The logic behind, mostly using cut gem is that you can see impurities with beter clarity and avoid such gem.Also during cut some inpurities can be cut off the gem. If the gem is true representative of the Planet in terms of Colour its shade etc, and provided it does not have any impurities, it can be worn. Or at least this is what I deduce after going through the texts and applying my Viveka( sense of proportions). Chandrashekhar. - Ognjen vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:13 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Hi to all, I have one doubt about this story about gems. I think it is very important whether a gem is cut or uncut but I haven't seen anybody mentioned that....maybe I am wrong... Best regards. Ognjen PS. why is so necessary for gems to be transparent? I have seen opinion that transparent gems relates more on spiritual realm and non-transparent on material? - Ernst Wilhelm vedic astrology Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:37 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Surj, it depends on your chart. If your Moon is in weaker dignity in theShadvargas than Mars, then take the Topaz, if Mars is weaker take theSapphire.Rings are better generally than pendants as the stone will always touchthe skin- just make sure that the stone is set 2-3 millimeters below theedge of the ring.Jai Ram,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.net-----Original Message-----surj23 [surj23 ] Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] GemsHi there,Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help.SurjArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/29/03Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.486 / Virus Database: 284 - Release Date: 5/30/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Dear Anna, can you check the vimshopak bala of Mars and the Moon in your chart? Jai Ram, Ernst Wihelm www.vedic astrology.net j.b [bona_mente ] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 8:40 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Wilhelm, I guess it's not always easy to distinquish the two- for ex: My lagnesh Moon is in Scorpio/deb, deb cancelled: Mars angular. Now, we learnt that LL is the strongest, then this particular situation, I'd say Mars is stronger, but it opposes the first rule? Then, what's the difference btw Topaz/Y.sapphire based upon? I don't wear my yellow Sapphire since Jup. came to Cn- I feel it's not good for my health- otherwise, I don't know..Would you please comment. Btw: I enjoy your book- it's esthetically nicely arranged, pleasure for eyes/even/Thnks. AnnaErnst Wilhelm <ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Surj, it depends on your chart. If your Moon is in weaker dignity in theShadvargas than Mars, then take the Topaz, if Mars is weaker take theSapphire.Rings are better generally than pendants as the stone will always touchthe skin- just make sure that the stone is set 2-3 millimeters below theedge of the ring.Jai Ram,Ernst Wilhelmwww.vedic astrology.net-----Original Message-----surj23 [surj23 ] Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:57 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] GemsHi there,Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help.SurjArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Dear Ognjen, just as you can not look at any one planet in your horoscope with considering all the other planets, a gem has many facets to it besides its color, so whereas on one level, the level of color, it may relate to Jupiter, on another it could relate to any of the other planet's. There are several considrations that make gems have there varying effects, there is density, hardness, refractive index, color, crystal structure, formation, and whether it is transparent or opaque. Most gems have been categorzied astrologically primary by the colors only. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm Ognjen [ognjen.pavicevic (AT) zg (DOT) hinet.hr] Sunday, June 08, 2003 7:07 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Gems Dear Ernest, I am puzzled how did you mix Mars and Moon in the story about a gem for Jupiter. Maybe because Mars and Moon governs signs in trine with respect to Pisces? Or is it something specific to that natal chart? What is the logic behind all this? It is beyond my reach, please advise. Thank you in advance. Ognjen " it depends on your chart. If your Moon is in weaker dignity in theShadvargas than Mars, then take the Topaz, if Mars is weaker take theSapphire."surj23 [surj23 ] Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:57 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] GemsHi there,Could someone tell me which is better as a jupiter remedy, Yellow Saphire or Yellow Topaz and is it okay to have it set in a pendant or does it have to be a ring. Thanks for your help.SurjArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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