Sunrise Defintion Options in JH 5----> To Sanjay Ji

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Dear Sanjay Ji,

 

Namaste,

 

As usual, I have started this discussion in Jhora

sometime ago, received replies from Narasimha,Dhira

and Sarabani Ji's.

 

But I am still struggling to understand the right

option to choose from the following for the Sunrise

Definitions in JH 5.

 

As you know, the PraanaPada Lagna and the other

special Lagna's change so differently, with the each

option and hence require your help to clarify the

things for me.

 

I would like to have the PraanaPada Lagna should be

100% accurate so which option I should use, so please

advise me.

 

Current options available in JH 5: ( Default is

Option-2):-

==========================================================

1) The center of Sun's Disk is truly on the eastern

horizon

2) The tip of Sun's disk is truly on the eastern

horizon

3) The tip of Sun's disk appears to be on the eastern

horizon

 

Thanks for the help in advance.

 

Regards

Rao

 

----------original message---------

"Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp@h...>

Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:17 pm

Re: Re: Sunrise Defintion Selection

Question ?

 

 

 

 

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Dhira Krsna dasa,

 

My comments below:

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit Poddar

SJC- Asia

 

----

 

jhora

Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:02:45 AM

jhora

Re: Sunrise Defintion Selection

Question ?

 

Dear Rao and Narasimha,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

Just wanted to give my two pence opinion about the

sunrise definition.

Option-3 The tip of Sun appearing on eastern horizon,

I don't really

understand what is meant with this. Is it the apparent

rising of Sun disk

taking into account parallax factor or something? Or

is it what is

actually seen as Sun's tip rising, depending on the

place one observes it?

In the last case, the sunrise will be different from

meter to meter, as

one can live in a mountainous place, and thus see the

sunrise considerably

different from say a 100 m distance from there. Also,

trees, houses, can

block the vision so one cannot really trust what is

the actual sunrise

time then.

 

 

[sP] Ancient times all the activites used to be

closely link to the Sun's movement and hence the

rising and setting time of the Sun was given prime

importance. Now what is meant by rising is the issue

here. For those people, rising meant when the first

ray of Sun was visible on the horizon. This cannot be

the center of the Sun rising on the horizon as by that

time the half of the solar disk would have risen on

the horizon.

 

But now, what is the difference between the apparent

rising and real rising of the Sun's upper tip? We know

that the earth is covered by a thick layer of

atmosphere, which due to refraction, bends the light.

Thus, the first ray of Sun appears on the Horizon,

even if the Tip of the sun is below the horizon. Thus

the apparent rising would be the time when we see the

Sunlight on the horizon, irrespective of whether it

has reached the horizon.

 

Now as you said the apparent rising could be difficult

as the environment can be blocked by Trees or

Mountains or like... but I think this would only make

differences in few secs in Sunlight.... However, I

"feel" that this should be the time, when Sun's first

ray would be visible on the Horizon on a plane and not

obstructed by anything. Moreover the day should be a

clear and normal day as the refractive index of the

atmosphere would vary with the quality of the

Atmosphere.

 

 

Considering the other two options, it doesn't really

matter to take tip or

center, from the point of view of actually observing

the sunrise, for the

same reason as given above. Therefore the option I

prefer is option - 1,

center of Sun's disk. In the case of Vimsottari dasha

- do we calculate

from Moon's tip or Moon's center for the correct

longitude of Moon? In the

same way, then why would we calculate Sun's tip rather

than Sun's center

for the actual longitude of Sun? We do count from the

ascending degree to

the descending degree (180° from each other) in 7th

house for the

invisible half of zodiac and from 7th to lagna for

visible half of the

zodiac. Then isn't it the actual longitude of Sun

(center) crossing the

ascending degree which marks Sunrise?

 

[sP] When we map the Sun in the zodiac, we use the

center of the Sun and not any tip like any other

planet. For illustration, when we say that Sun is in

the 10deg Aries, we mean that Sun's Center is in 10deg

Aries. This is the reason, why we cannot take the

Lagna starting from the Sun's longitude but some 50-60

Arcsecs behind the solar longitude at Sunrise... Or,

the Lagna Transits over the Solar Longitude

approximately after 4 mins.

 

If Center of Sun option is chosen, then at Sunrise,

the Lagna and the solar longitude would be the same.

As we know that anything rises (center of that planet)

above the horizon, when Lagna moves over that body. So

the solar tip would rise, when Lagna moves over it!

and hence if solar tip option is chosen, at sunrise,

the lagna transits the tip of the Sun, which is

approximately 1deg (longitude) away from the Sun's

center (which is Sun's longitude). In this case, the

Sun's logitude (Sun's Center) rises approximately

after 4 mins.

 

Anyway, this is my opinion. I'm sure it's shared by

many others as well.

For research, have a look at the attached chart - from

a jyotishi's

daughter who had the time of birth taken accurately to

the second (if we

can believe the doctor who did the caesarean birth)

and this is the time

of cutting umbilical cord.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotisha

http://www.radhadesh.com

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Rao

What sustains LIFE ON EARTH

(1) Is it because the sun shines in the skies?

(2) Is it because the Sun is visible in the skies?, or

(3) Is it because the rays of the Sun reach the earth?

These are the three questions for your three options...I choose (3) what do

you choose?

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

---------------------------

H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871

http://srath.com <http://srath.com>

---------------------------

 

 

 

Rao Nemani [raonemani]

Friday, July 18, 2003 2:40 AM

Vedic Astrology Group

[vedic astrology] Sunrise Defintion Options in JH 5----> To

Sanjay Ji

 

 

Dear Sanjay Ji,

 

Namaste,

 

As usual, I have started this discussion in Jhora

sometime ago, received replies from Narasimha,Dhira

and Sarabani Ji's.

 

But I am still struggling to understand the right

option to choose from the following for the Sunrise

Definitions in JH 5.

 

As you know, the PraanaPada Lagna and the other

special Lagna's change so differently, with the each

option and hence require your help to clarify the

things for me.

 

I would like to have the PraanaPada Lagna should be

100% accurate so which option I should use, so please

advise me.

 

Current options available in JH 5: ( Default is

Option-2):-

==========================================================

1) The center of Sun's Disk is truly on the eastern

horizon

2) The tip of Sun's disk is truly on the eastern

horizon

3) The tip of Sun's disk appears to be on the eastern

horizon

 

Thanks for the help in advance.

 

Regards

Rao

 

----------original message---------

"Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp@h...>

Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:17 pm

Re: Re: Sunrise Defintion Selection

Question ?

 

 

 

 

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Dhira Krsna dasa,

 

My comments below:

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit Poddar

SJC- Asia

 

----

 

jhora

Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:02:45 AM

jhora

Re: Sunrise Defintion Selection

Question ?

 

Dear Rao and Narasimha,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

Just wanted to give my two pence opinion about the

sunrise definition.

Option-3 The tip of Sun appearing on eastern horizon,

I don't really

understand what is meant with this. Is it the apparent

rising of Sun disk

taking into account parallax factor or something? Or

is it what is

actually seen as Sun's tip rising, depending on the

place one observes it?

In the last case, the sunrise will be different from

meter to meter, as

one can live in a mountainous place, and thus see the

sunrise considerably

different from say a 100 m distance from there. Also,

trees, houses, can

block the vision so one cannot really trust what is

the actual sunrise

time then.

 

 

[sP] Ancient times all the activites used to be

closely link to the Sun's movement and hence the

rising and setting time of the Sun was given prime

importance. Now what is meant by rising is the issue

here. For those people, rising meant when the first

ray of Sun was visible on the horizon. This cannot be

the center of the Sun rising on the horizon as by that

time the half of the solar disk would have risen on

the horizon.

 

But now, what is the difference between the apparent

rising and real rising of the Sun's upper tip? We know

that the earth is covered by a thick layer of

atmosphere, which due to refraction, bends the light.

Thus, the first ray of Sun appears on the Horizon,

even if the Tip of the sun is below the horizon. Thus

the apparent rising would be the time when we see the

Sunlight on the horizon, irrespective of whether it

has reached the horizon.

 

Now as you said the apparent rising could be difficult

as the environment can be blocked by Trees or

Mountains or like... but I think this would only make

differences in few secs in Sunlight.... However, I

"feel" that this should be the time, when Sun's first

ray would be visible on the Horizon on a plane and not

obstructed by anything. Moreover the day should be a

clear and normal day as the refractive index of the

atmosphere would vary with the quality of the

Atmosphere.

 

 

Considering the other two options, it doesn't really

matter to take tip or

center, from the point of view of actually observing

the sunrise, for the

same reason as given above. Therefore the option I

prefer is option - 1,

center of Sun's disk. In the case of Vimsottari dasha

- do we calculate

from Moon's tip or Moon's center for the correct

longitude of Moon? In the

same way, then why would we calculate Sun's tip rather

than Sun's center

for the actual longitude of Sun? We do count from the

ascending degree to

the descending degree (1800 from each other) in 7th

house for the

invisible half of zodiac and from 7th to lagna for

visible half of the

zodiac. Then isn't it the actual longitude of Sun

(center) crossing the

ascending degree which marks Sunrise?

 

[sP] When we map the Sun in the zodiac, we use the

center of the Sun and not any tip like any other

planet. For illustration, when we say that Sun is in

the 10deg Aries, we mean that Sun's Center is in 10deg

Aries. This is the reason, why we cannot take the

Lagna starting from the Sun's longitude but some 50-60

Arcsecs behind the solar longitude at Sunrise... Or,

the Lagna Transits over the Solar Longitude

approximately after 4 mins.

 

If Center of Sun option is chosen, then at Sunrise,

the Lagna and the solar longitude would be the same.

As we know that anything rises (center of that planet)

above the horizon, when Lagna moves over that body. So

the solar tip would rise, when Lagna moves over it!

and hence if solar tip option is chosen, at sunrise,

the lagna transits the tip of the Sun, which is

approximately 1deg (longitude) away from the Sun's

center (which is Sun's longitude). In this case, the

Sun's logitude (Sun's Center) rises approximately

after 4 mins.

 

Anyway, this is my opinion. I'm sure it's shared by

many others as well.

For research, have a look at the attached chart - from

a jyotishi's

daughter who had the time of birth taken accurately to

the second (if we

can believe the doctor who did the caesarean birth)

and this is the time

of cutting umbilical cord.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotisha

http://www.radhadesh.com

 

 

 

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Dear Sanjay Ji,

 

Namaste,

 

Me and my jyotish friend discussed about this issue

lot and we decided to use Option-3, before asking you.

 

Now with this reply from you, we will continue choosing

Option-3 without any questions in mind.

 

Thanks for your quick replies(as always you do for

my questions), that keeps me moving forward in learning

Vedic Astrology with a good pace.

 

Regards

Rao

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

<daivagyna@s...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Rao

> What sustains LIFE ON EARTH

> (1) Is it because the sun shines in the skies?

> (2) Is it because the Sun is visible in the skies?, or

> (3) Is it because the rays of the Sun reach the earth?

> These are the three questions for your three options...I choose (3)

what do

> you choose?

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Yours truly,

> Sanjay Rath

> ---------------------------

> H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871

> http://srath.com <http://srath.com>

> ---------------------------

>

>

>

> Rao Nemani [raonemani]

> Friday, July 18, 2003 2:40 AM

> Vedic Astrology Group

> [vedic astrology] Sunrise Defintion Options in JH 5----> To

> Sanjay Ji

>

>

> Dear Sanjay Ji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> As usual, I have started this discussion in Jhora

> sometime ago, received replies from Narasimha,Dhira

> and Sarabani Ji's.

>

> But I am still struggling to understand the right

> option to choose from the following for the Sunrise

> Definitions in JH 5.

>

> As you know, the PraanaPada Lagna and the other

> special Lagna's change so differently, with the each

> option and hence require your help to clarify the

> things for me.

>

> I would like to have the PraanaPada Lagna should be

> 100% accurate so which option I should use, so please

> advise me.

>

> Current options available in JH 5: ( Default is

> Option-2):-

> ==========================================================

> 1) The center of Sun's Disk is truly on the eastern

> horizon

> 2) The tip of Sun's disk is truly on the eastern

> horizon

> 3) The tip of Sun's disk appears to be on the eastern

> horizon

>

> Thanks for the help in advance.

>

> Regards

> Rao

>

> ----------original message---------

> "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajitp@h...>

> Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:17 pm

> Re: Re: Sunrise Defintion Selection

> Question ?

>

>

>

>

>

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Dhira Krsna dasa,

>

> My comments below:

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit Poddar

> SJC- Asia

>

> ----

>

> jhora

> Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:02:45 AM

> jhora

> Re: Sunrise Defintion Selection

> Question ?

>

> Dear Rao and Narasimha,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna!

>

> Just wanted to give my two pence opinion about the

> sunrise definition.

> Option-3 The tip of Sun appearing on eastern horizon,

> I don't really

> understand what is meant with this. Is it the apparent

> rising of Sun disk

> taking into account parallax factor or something? Or

> is it what is

> actually seen as Sun's tip rising, depending on the

> place one observes it?

> In the last case, the sunrise will be different from

> meter to meter, as

> one can live in a mountainous place, and thus see the

> sunrise considerably

> different from say a 100 m distance from there. Also,

> trees, houses, can

> block the vision so one cannot really trust what is

> the actual sunrise

> time then.

>

>

> [sP] Ancient times all the activites used to be

> closely link to the Sun's movement and hence the

> rising and setting time of the Sun was given prime

> importance. Now what is meant by rising is the issue

> here. For those people, rising meant when the first

> ray of Sun was visible on the horizon. This cannot be

> the center of the Sun rising on the horizon as by that

> time the half of the solar disk would have risen on

> the horizon.

>

> But now, what is the difference between the apparent

> rising and real rising of the Sun's upper tip? We know

> that the earth is covered by a thick layer of

> atmosphere, which due to refraction, bends the light.

> Thus, the first ray of Sun appears on the Horizon,

> even if the Tip of the sun is below the horizon. Thus

> the apparent rising would be the time when we see the

> Sunlight on the horizon, irrespective of whether it

> has reached the horizon.

>

> Now as you said the apparent rising could be difficult

> as the environment can be blocked by Trees or

> Mountains or like... but I think this would only make

> differences in few secs in Sunlight.... However, I

> "feel" that this should be the time, when Sun's first

> ray would be visible on the Horizon on a plane and not

> obstructed by anything. Moreover the day should be a

> clear and normal day as the refractive index of the

> atmosphere would vary with the quality of the

> Atmosphere.

>

>

> Considering the other two options, it doesn't really

> matter to take tip or

> center, from the point of view of actually observing

> the sunrise, for the

> same reason as given above. Therefore the option I

> prefer is option - 1,

> center of Sun's disk. In the case of Vimsottari dasha

> - do we calculate

> from Moon's tip or Moon's center for the correct

> longitude of Moon? In the

> same way, then why would we calculate Sun's tip rather

> than Sun's center

> for the actual longitude of Sun? We do count from the

> ascending degree to

> the descending degree (1800 from each other) in 7th

> house for the

> invisible half of zodiac and from 7th to lagna for

> visible half of the

> zodiac. Then isn't it the actual longitude of Sun

> (center) crossing the

> ascending degree which marks Sunrise?

>

> [sP] When we map the Sun in the zodiac, we use the

> center of the Sun and not any tip like any other

> planet. For illustration, when we say that Sun is in

> the 10deg Aries, we mean that Sun's Center is in 10deg

> Aries. This is the reason, why we cannot take the

> Lagna starting from the Sun's longitude but some 50-60

> Arcsecs behind the solar longitude at Sunrise... Or,

> the Lagna Transits over the Solar Longitude

> approximately after 4 mins.

>

> If Center of Sun option is chosen, then at Sunrise,

> the Lagna and the solar longitude would be the same.

> As we know that anything rises (center of that planet)

> above the horizon, when Lagna moves over that body. So

> the solar tip would rise, when Lagna moves over it!

> and hence if solar tip option is chosen, at sunrise,

> the lagna transits the tip of the Sun, which is

> approximately 1deg (longitude) away from the Sun's

> center (which is Sun's longitude). In this case, the

> Sun's logitude (Sun's Center) rises approximately

> after 4 mins.

>

> Anyway, this is my opinion. I'm sure it's shared by

> many others as well.

> For research, have a look at the attached chart - from

> a jyotishi's

> daughter who had the time of birth taken accurately to

> the second (if we

> can believe the doctor who did the caesarean birth)

> and this is the time

> of cutting umbilical cord.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotisha

> http://www.radhadesh.com

>

>

>

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