Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Dear Raju, Firstly allow me to correct you: a planet at 29 deg. is in 'old age', not infancy. Secondly we only relate this 'suffering like' to the Vimshottari dasa periods. AK is AK. My opinion is that the fact that the planet is a) benefic b) exalted and c) lagna lord, will not bring out the full extend of 'suffering' as it will if the planet was a malefic. The areas in focus will be those of the 1st & 10th houses at large as well as the 7th. However, in the rasi chart Mercury has some bad company of the lords of the 8th and 12th as well as the dirsti of 6th lord Saturn which spoils the party. The AK Mercury is also exalted/vargottama and well placed (with regard to been AK) in the Navamsa, so less problems (or none at all having the aspect of a strong Jupiter) there. Kind regards /Jay Weiss - Rajagopal Ramamoorthy vedic astrology Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:21 PM Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa Dear Jay, What if AK Mercury is also the Lagna lord and is also exalted but in infancy in Virgo at 29:19 degrees ? JHL file attached. Raju "J. Weiss" <jayhw@t...> Wed Aug 6, 2003 5:58 am Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa Dear Sai, You can bet on that the antardasa of AK is 'A' lesson indeed, which effects depend naturally also on it's lordship(s), placement etc.. There are countless "real life" cases to prove it. Kind regards /Jay Weiss - Saikumar vedic astrology Cc: vedic astrology Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:58 AM [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa Namasthe Guruji's, I have a question about Atmakaraka. >From what I have learned in this list, the dasa of Atmakaraka will teach the native lessons in life in the areas which the Atmakaraka represents, so that the native tends to become more spiritually oriented. Is it true for Antardasas also? Sai Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>Date: 2003/08/05 16:44:13vedic astrologyCc: Re: [vedic astrology] Want to know more About Nakshatras Dear M.Imranji, Thanks for the mail.When I get time,I will be writing one by one nakshatras details.Please bear with me for sometime. Wih best regards, Ramadas Rao.Muhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao jee, Very nice delineation of Nakshatra. I have heard (not confronted yet ) that vedic astrology has unique treasure of nakshatra vidya, but there is not sufficient material on web, specially those covering nakshatra phalam, esortic meanings and application in Mahurtam. I hope your this effort would fill the said vacuum. I am waiting for the rest of the episodes of Nakshatra series, you have started. Even this series can be compiled as a good ready reference for learners of Jyotish. Warm Regards M.IMRAN Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Rao, For Nakshatras, you can refer to Nakshtras Part 1 and 2 by Sri Shubhakaran.( Sagar Publications ).But here I will give you some more informations.As the matter is very big, I will be giving you about each Nakshatra everyday. As we know there are 27 Nakshatras or groups of Nakshatras and 28th is called as Abhijit whcih extends from 276 deg.40' to 280 deg.54'13" of the zodiac. ASHWINI : They are the twin children of Surya and Samjna Devi in the form of horses.They are called as the Vaidyas of Devathas and they used to cure any ailment for Devathas.But in the zodiac,this Nakshatra is in group of 3 in the form of a horse face.It has 10 names according to Muhurta Chintamani.They are Ashwi,Dasrah,Turangamah,Turagah,Ashwah,Adyah,Vaaji,Hayah,Turangah,Harih. Significators of Ashwini Nakshatra in Jyotishya: 1) tourism,vehicles and Import & Export, 2) Manufacture of medicines, 3) Helping each other and indicative of strength, 4) Good for the development of medicinal herbs, 5) Indicative of Preta Badha removal, 6) Indicative of miracles, 7) Indicative of Sanyasa, 8) Indicative of Horse Races, 9) The most best medicinal herb Ashwa Gandhi is connected to this Nakshatra, 10 ) It is the 1st Nakshatra in the zodiac with the shape of horse face. The following industries /business are connected to Ashwini Nakshatra : Iron and Steel,Copper,intoxicating drinks,cigarette,snuff,groundnut,ginger,black pepper,garlic,chemicals,bricks,cement,different stones,tiles,,concrete works,porcelain and mining industries,machineries,armaments,petrol,gold,silk,wool,twin cereals,wheat,roots under the earth,different kinds of pulses,fertilisers,medical and drugs business and firy industries. Karaka for Ashwini nakshatra : Army commanders who travel on horses,doctors ( all kinds ),nursing,horses,horse trainers and horse riders,businessmen,handsome men,all equipments connected to look after horses,war,medicines,diseases,nurses,clinics,doctors,travelling,competitions,towns,main road,different kind of businessmen,balance,veternery doctor,horsegram,grass,medicinal roots,vehicle,horse chariots and horsethieives etc. If a girl's first menses becomes in this nakshatra,she will be fortunate,good married life,will get good husband,will get good male children,of kind character,will experice all kind of comforts and luxuries,will be respected by her relatives and devoted to her husband. For this Nakshatra people,Kartika month,Shasti Tithi,Sundays,Makha nakshatra days and when Chandra is transiting over Mesha Rasi are evils and anything new should not be started in the above periods by this Nakshatra people. There are so many things are written in Nakshatra Chudamani by Padmanabha Daivajna. Finally when a child is born on this Ashwini Nakshatra,on the 11th day,the parents have to chant the following Shloka 108 times and give rice,jaggery on donation ,then the evil effects of this Nakshatra will be nullified : ASHVINAA TEJASAA CHAKSHUH PRAANENA SARASWATI VVIRYAM, VAACHENDROBALE NENDRAAYADA DHURINDIYAM. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Rao Nemani <raonemani > wrote: Dear Guru's and Learned Members,I am interested in learning more about Nakshatras.May I request you to please share your thoughts, articles, your own collections with me please.Thanks for your help in advance.RegardsRaoArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Dear Jay, Thanks. Didn't we learn that in even signs the order of avastha is reversed ? Shouldn't we be subtracting 30 from the total and then see the net result and use the description given for odd signs ? http://.org/lessons/avastha.htm What really happens when AK is conjoined with GL / HL / BL / Lagna as it is in this case ? It also becomes a Yogada I believe as per definition. So how do we understand the conflict between its role as AK - to punish the native - vs its role as all these other qualifications define ? Also in same house we have Kevala Mahayogada Mars (but combust) as its the dispositor of debilated Moon in third house from Lagna/Paka rasi. Conjunction of 8th and 12th lords with involvement of lagna and lagna lord in same house must result in VRY with direct benefits to native during Mars/Sun periods. But it must also result in destruction of Lagna as that house must suffer as is the case in VRY. Then rasi dhristi of Saturn also complicates things as it also carries with it the aspect of retro-Jupiter from 6th house which is also Badhakesh for Lagna & Saturn. Its a bit complicated chart of mine :-) But I can validate all the interpretations as I have already crossed AK Mahadasa in young age. Hence sorry for too many questions. Regards, Raju "J. Weiss" <jayhw@t...> Wed Aug 6, 2003 4:33 pm Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa -> Raju Dear Raju, Firstly allow me to correct you: a planet at 29 deg. is in 'old age', not infancy. Secondly we only relate this 'suffering like' to the Vimshottari dasa periods. AK is AK. My opinion is that the fact that the planet is a) benefic b) exalted and c) lagna lord, will not bring out the full extend of 'suffering' as it will if the planet was a malefic. The areas in focus will be those of the 1st & 10th houses at large as well as the 7th. However, in the rasi chart Mercury has some bad company of the lords of the 8th and 12th as well as the dirsti of 6th lord Saturn which spoils the party. The AK Mercury is also exalted/vargottama and well placed (with regard to been AK) in the Navamsa, so less problems (or none at all having the aspect of a strong Jupiter) there. Kind regards /Jay Weiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Dear Jay, The whole case is more complicated due to the fact that AK Mercury is also the SOLE DISPOSITOR of the chart. However, its Nakshatra dispositor (if this is a factor) is the combust Mars. Regards, Raju - Rajagopal Ramamoorthy vedic astrology Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:53 PM Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa -> Raju Dear Jay, Thanks. Didn't we learn that in even signs the order of avastha is reversed ? Shouldn't we be subtracting 30 from the total and then see the net result and use the description given for odd signs ? http://.org/lessons/avastha.htm What really happens when AK is conjoined with GL / HL / BL / Lagna as it is in this case ? It also becomes a Yogada I believe as per definition. So how do we understand the conflict between its role as AK - to punish the native - vs its role as all these other qualifications define ? Also in same house we have Kevala Mahayogada Mars (but combust) as its the dispositor of debilated Moon in third house from Lagna/Paka rasi. Conjunction of 8th and 12th lords with involvement of lagna and lagna lord in same house must result in VRY with direct benefits to native during Mars/Sun periods. But it must also result in destruction of Lagna as that house must suffer as is the case in VRY. Then rasi dhristi of Saturn also complicates things as it also carries with it the aspect of retro-Jupiter from 6th house which is also Badhakesh for Lagna & Saturn. Its a bit complicated chart of mine :-) But I can validate all the interpretations as I have already crossed AK Mahadasa in young age. Hence sorry for too many questions. Regards, Raju "J. Weiss" <jayhw@t...> Wed Aug 6, 2003 4:33 pm Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa -> Raju Dear Raju, Firstly allow me to correct you: a planet at 29 deg. is in 'old age', not infancy. Secondly we only relate this 'suffering like' to the Vimshottari dasa periods. AK is AK. My opinion is that the fact that the planet is a) benefic b) exalted and c) lagna lord, will not bring out the full extend of 'suffering' as it will if the planet was a malefic. The areas in focus will be those of the 1st & 10th houses at large as well as the 7th. However, in the rasi chart Mercury has some bad company of the lords of the 8th and 12th as well as the dirsti of 6th lord Saturn which spoils the party. The AK Mercury is also exalted/vargottama and well placed (with regard to been AK) in the Navamsa, so less problems (or none at all having the aspect of a strong Jupiter) there. Kind regards /Jay Weiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Dear Raju, My short reply to you was not meant to start a general chart interpretation - I only indicated AK effect during it's Vimshottari dasa. I more than agree that your chart is 'heavier' (or in your words 'complicated') in many ways and can "burn" many long hours/days for correct evaluation and interpretation. Kind regards /Jay - Rajagopal Ramamoorthy vedic astrology Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:07 AM Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa -> Raju Dear Jay, The whole case is more complicated due to the fact that AK Mercury is also the SOLE DISPOSITOR of the chart. However, its Nakshatra dispositor (if this is a factor) is the combust Mars. Regards, Raju - Rajagopal Ramamoorthy vedic astrology Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:53 PM Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa -> Raju Dear Jay, Thanks. Didn't we learn that in even signs the order of avastha is reversed ? Shouldn't we be subtracting 30 from the total and then see the net result and use the description given for odd signs ? http://.org/lessons/avastha.htm What really happens when AK is conjoined with GL / HL / BL / Lagna as it is in this case ? It also becomes a Yogada I believe as per definition. So how do we understand the conflict between its role as AK - to punish the native - vs its role as all these other qualifications define ? Also in same house we have Kevala Mahayogada Mars (but combust) as its the dispositor of debilated Moon in third house from Lagna/Paka rasi. Conjunction of 8th and 12th lords with involvement of lagna and lagna lord in same house must result in VRY with direct benefits to native during Mars/Sun periods. But it must also result in destruction of Lagna as that house must suffer as is the case in VRY. Then rasi dhristi of Saturn also complicates things as it also carries with it the aspect of retro-Jupiter from 6th house which is also Badhakesh for Lagna & Saturn. Its a bit complicated chart of mine :-) But I can validate all the interpretations as I have already crossed AK Mahadasa in young age. Hence sorry for too many questions. Regards, Raju "J. Weiss" <jayhw@t...> Wed Aug 6, 2003 4:33 pm Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa -> Raju Dear Raju, Firstly allow me to correct you: a planet at 29 deg. is in 'old age', not infancy. Secondly we only relate this 'suffering like' to the Vimshottari dasa periods. AK is AK. My opinion is that the fact that the planet is a) benefic b) exalted and c) lagna lord, will not bring out the full extend of 'suffering' as it will if the planet was a malefic. The areas in focus will be those of the 1st & 10th houses at large as well as the 7th. However, in the rasi chart Mercury has some bad company of the lords of the 8th and 12th as well as the dirsti of 6th lord Saturn which spoils the party. The AK Mercury is also exalted/vargottama and well placed (with regard to been AK) in the Navamsa, so less problems (or none at all having the aspect of a strong Jupiter) there. Kind regards /Jay WeissArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Dear Raju, Please see my comments [*] below. Regards /Jay - Rajagopal Ramamoorthy vedic astrology Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:53 AM Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa -> Raju Dear Jay, Thanks. Didn't we learn that in even signs the order of avastha is reversed ? Shouldn't we be subtracting 30 from the total and then see the net result and use the description given for odd signs ? http://.org/lessons/avastha.htm [*] Could be true in theory but a planet in the last degree is a planet in the last degree of old age. ALL practical examples that I am aware of with AK in 29deg (Mercury is also my AK at 29deg...and I am currently running Sa/Me...) produced various hardships during their Vim. antar period. What really happens when AK is conjoined with GL / HL / BL / Lagna as it is in this case ? It also becomes a Yogada I believe as per definition. So how do we understand the conflict between its role as AK - to punish the native - vs its role as all these other qualifications define ? Also in same house we have Kevala Mahayogada Mars (but combust) as its the dispositor of debilated Moon in third house from Lagna/Paka rasi. [*] Indeed a conflict of interest. Therefore I wrote earlier that the effects will not be so 'hard' and some gains may be there too. In your case one will have to split all those fractions into a table in order to see the actual expected effects. As it's all in the first house doesn't make it easier either. As for Kevala I am not sure what to answer you as I have not much experience with it (yet...) Conjunction of 8th and 12th lords with involvement of lagna and lagna lord in same house must result in VRY with direct benefits to native during Mars/Sun periods. But it must also result in destruction of Lagna as that house must suffer as is the case in VRY. Then rasi dhristi of Saturn also complicates things as it also carries with it the aspect of retro-Jupiter from 6th house which is also Badhakesh for Lagna & Saturn. [*] That is the least to say as there are many more factors that complicate your first house. Its a bit complicated chart of mine :-) But I can validate all the interpretations as I have already crossed AK Mahadasa in young age. Hence sorry for too many questions. [*] I agree, it is a 'heavy' chart. However I think that there is a huge difference in the way one experience AK as a child in comparison to experiencing it's effect as an adult (especially in the ages 18/20 - 65, the employment years) Regards, Raju "J. Weiss" <jayhw@t...> Wed Aug 6, 2003 4:33 pm Re: [vedic astrology] About Atmakaraka Antardasa -> Raju Dear Raju, Firstly allow me to correct you: a planet at 29 deg. is in 'old age', not infancy. Secondly we only relate this 'suffering like' to the Vimshottari dasa periods. AK is AK. My opinion is that the fact that the planet is a) benefic b) exalted and c) lagna lord, will not bring out the full extend of 'suffering' as it will if the planet was a malefic. The areas in focus will be those of the 1st & 10th houses at large as well as the 7th. However, in the rasi chart Mercury has some bad company of the lords of the 8th and 12th as well as the dirsti of 6th lord Saturn which spoils the party. The AK Mercury is also exalted/vargottama and well placed (with regard to been AK) in the Navamsa, so less problems (or none at all having the aspect of a strong Jupiter) there. Kind regards /Jay WeissArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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