Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 font-weight:bold">Hare Rama Krishna Tahoma"> Tahoma">Dear Dhira, Siva, Swee, and List, Tahoma"> Tahoma">Thanks for the chart Dhira…I will use this chart to demonstrate (on the computer this time 12.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Tahoma;mso-hansi-font-family: Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings">J 11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">) my understanding of the longevity determinants using the 3 Pairs methodology. The gunshot victim (who survived to date) was born on March 16, 1979, and was shot on January 22, 2003. Tahoma"> Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Long life: 72 to 108 years: Medium life: 36 to 72 years: Short life: 0 to 36 years Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Movable signs = Long life: Dual Signs = Medium Life: Fixed Signs = Short life Tahoma"> Determine the sign occupied by the lagna lord and the lord of the 8th: 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Lagna lord is Moon in Libra = Movable, 8th lord is Saturn in Leo = Fixed. Overall assessment for pair one = dual (medium life) 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Determine signs of Lagna and Hora Lagna: 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Cancer Ascendant = Movable. HL is Libra = Movable. Overall assessment for pair two = movable (long life) 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Determine signs of Moon and Saturn 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Moon in Libra is Movable. Saturn in Leo is fixed. Overall assessment for pair three = dual (medium life) 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Kakshya Hrasa: 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">With respect to Kakshya Hrasa (for insights into plausible causes for reduction indicators in the life span when judging longevity assessments) we note that AK (soul) Venus is posited in the seventh in maraka sthana (killer station), disposed of by bhukti lord Saturn in Leo, and receiving rasi and graha drishti from maraka sthana (second), Saturn, and Rahu. Leo in the second rules the abdomen, and the gunshot wounds occurred in the abdomen. Eighth lord (and current bhukti lord) Saturn, is in a fixed sign. Because of the confluent factors and indications cited above, the life span is therefore reduced from medium to short. 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">(Also interesting to note is that MD lord of wounds, 6th lord Jupiter, is receiving rasi drishti in the first from the karakas representing violence and wounds, Mars and Ketu, who are natally posited in bhukti lord Saturn’s house in the eighth. Rahu and bhukti eighth lord, Saturn, cause unobstructed paapargala on both lagna and MD lord Jupiter, while lagna lord, Moon, from the fourth house of miraculously efficient medicine causes unobstructed subhaargala on both the lagna and sixth lord, thereby sustaining life.) 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-style:italic"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ayur Yogakarakas: 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Now to determine the average longitude of the primary ayur yogakarakas (longevity determinants), which are pairs one and three, (because they both give same longevity results) who are, in this case, identical. (Scientific calculators with degree, minute, and second conversions come in handy for this.) 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Moon’s longitude is 15º48’47” plus Saturn’s longitudes is 01º56’26”, giving us a total of 17º45’13”, divided by 2 = 08º52’36” or 8.876805556. 30º minus 08º52’36 = 21º07’24” (or 21.12333333) 21º07’24” divided by 30 = 00º42’14” or (0.704111111) 0.704111111 times 36 = 25.348 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> yes"> So death should occur at age 25. Now we figure the month. 365.25 times .348 = 127.02 divided by 30.4375 days (average month) = 4.173141684 Tahoma"> yes"> Now we have 25 years 4 months. ..173141684 (part of month) times 30.4375 = 5.270000007 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> yes"> This gives us 25 years 4 months and 5 days ..270000007 times 24 (hours in a day) = 6:48 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">This results in 25 years 4 months 5 days at approximately 6:48. 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">The native was 23 years 10 months and 6 days when the gunshot wound occurred, according to Dhira’s commentary below. 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Please keep in mind when reading the above, that fractions of seconds were not applied, and birth time accuracy down to seconds is certainly a better contender. In this case, the three pairs, along with the application of ayur yogakarakas, looks to be fairly close, with death being averted by medical intervention (hopefully). 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">There is certainly more that can be seen by applying different techniques and dasas, but I just wanted to stick with longevity determinants using three pairs…(Hope the mistakes are minimal…as I ran through this rather quickly, and hope I didn’t overlook an important technicality) mso-ascii-font-family:Tahoma;mso-hansi-font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">L 11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Also, I believe the Moon here plays a role in providing nurturing and medicinal healing, by virtue of position and argala interactions, but I haven’t studied the chart at any length to intelligently comment further. Thanks. 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Swee…Now I can go back to lurk mode. mso-ascii-font-family:Tahoma;mso-hansi-font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">J 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Tahoma"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" yes"> ~Namaste~ 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy"> yes"> Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com/ 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial"> -----Original Message----- Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net] Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:41 PM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Ramadas Rao & List - Longevity determinants color:black">Dear Sandy, mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> You are very right in stating that timely medical intervention can prevent death in critical periods. However, that should somehow or other also be visible in the chart. FYI, I'd like to post a chart here as an example. Birth data are: March 16th 1979, 14:15, Antwerp, Belgium. No DST. This young man was shot 4 times in the belly on 22nd of January this year, at around noon time. Without medical intervention he surely would have died, but he survived and is slowly recovering now. He has Cancer lagna and was in Vimsottari of Jup-Sat bhukti, which could have caused death as Jupiter and Saturn are 6th and 8th lords resp. However, he didn't die and most probably will survive. Your sishya, Dhira Krsna dasa "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Gunshot Victim.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sandy, The 8th house for Cancer Lagna is Sagittarius.This is arrived at as Cancer is an even house and the counting has to be anti-zodiacal.The 8th lord is Jupiter and the first pair has to be changed. Hare Krishna Sudharsan vedic astrology, "Sandy Crowther" <sandy@t...> wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Dhira, Siva, Swee, and List, > > Thanks for the chart Dhira…I will use this chart to demonstrate (on the > computer this time :-)) my understanding of the longevity determinants using > the 3 Pairs methodology. The gunshot victim (who survived to date) was born > on March 16, 1979, and was shot on January 22, 2003. > > Long life: 72 to 108 years: Medium life: 36 to 72 years: Short life: 0 to 36 > years > Movable signs = Long life: Dual Signs = Medium Life: Fixed Signs = Short > life > > 1. Determine the sign occupied by the lagna lord and the lord of the 8th: > Lagna lord is Moon in Libra = Movable, 8th lord is Saturn in Leo = Fixed. > Overall assessment for pair one = dual (medium life) > > 2. Determine signs of Lagna and Hora Lagna: > Cancer Ascendant = Movable. HL is Libra = Movable. Overall assessment for > pair two = movable (long life) > > 3. Determine signs of Moon and Saturn > Moon in Libra is Movable. Saturn in Leo is fixed. Overall assessment for > pair three = dual (medium life) > > Kakshya Hrasa: > > With respect to Kakshya Hrasa (for insights into plausible causes for > reduction indicators in the life span when judging longevity assessments) we > note that AK (soul) Venus is posited in the seventh in maraka sthana (killer > station), disposed of by bhukti lord Saturn in Leo, and receiving rasi and > graha drishti from maraka sthana (second), Saturn, and Rahu. Leo in the > second rules the abdomen, and the gunshot wounds occurred in the abdomen. > Eighth lord (and current bhukti lord) Saturn, is in a fixed sign. Because of > the confluent factors and indications cited above, the life span is > therefore reduced from medium to short. > > (Also interesting to note is that MD lord of wounds, 6th lord Jupiter, is > receiving rasi drishti in the first from the karakas representing violence > and wounds, Mars and Ketu, who are natally posited in bhukti lord Saturn's > house in the eighth. Rahu and bhukti eighth lord, Saturn, cause unobstructed > paapargala on both lagna and MD lord Jupiter, while lagna lord, Moon, from > the fourth house of miraculously efficient medicine causes unobstructed > subhaargala on both the lagna and sixth lord, thereby sustaining life.) > > Ayur Yogakarakas: > > Now to determine the average longitude of the primary ayur yogakarakas > (longevity determinants), which are pairs one and three, (because they both > give same longevity results) who are, in this case, identical. (Scientific > calculators with degree, minute, and second conversions come in handy for > this.) > > 1. Moon's longitude is 15º48'47" plus Saturn's longitudes is 01º56'26", > giving us a total of 17º45'13", divided by 2 = 08º52'36" or 8.876805556. > 2. 30º minus 08º52'36 = 21º07'24" (or 21.12333333) > 3. 21º07'24" divided by 30 = 00º42'14" or (0.704111111) > 4. 0.704111111 times 36 = 25.348 > So death should occur at age 25. Now we figure the month. > 5. 365.25 times .348 = 127.02 divided by 30.4375 days (average month) = > 4.173141684 > Now we have 25 years 4 months. > 6. .173141684 (part of month) times 30.4375 = 5.270000007 > This gives us 25 years 4 months and 5 days > 7. .270000007 times 24 (hours in a day) = 6:48 > This results in 25 years 4 months 5 days at approximately 6:48. > > The native was 23 years 10 months and 6 days when the gunshot wound > occurred, according to Dhira's commentary below. > > Please keep in mind when reading the above, that fractions of seconds were > not applied, and birth time accuracy down to seconds is certainly a better > contender. In this case, the three pairs, along with the application of ayur > yogakarakas, looks to be fairly close, with death being averted by medical > intervention (hopefully). > > There is certainly more that can be seen by applying different techniques > and dasas, but I just wanted to stick with longevity determinants using > three pairs…(Hope the mistakes are minimal…as I ran through this rather > quickly, and hope I didn't overlook an important technicality) :-( Also, I > believe the Moon here plays a role in providing nurturing and medicinal > healing, by virtue of position and argala interactions, but I haven't > studied the chart at any length to intelligently comment further. Thanks. > > Swee…Now I can go back to lurk mode. :-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy Crowther > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...] > Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:41 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Ramadas Rao & List - Longevity determinants > > Dear Sandy, > > You are very right in stating that timely medical intervention can prevent > death in critical periods. However, that should somehow or other also be > visible in the chart. > > FYI, I'd like to post a chart here as an example. Birth data are: March > 16th 1979, 14:15, Antwerp, Belgium. No DST. This young man was shot 4 > times in the belly on 22nd of January this year, at around noon time. > Without medical intervention he surely would have died, but he survived > and is slowly recovering now. He has Cancer lagna and was in Vimsottari of > Jup-Sat bhukti, which could have caused death as Jupiter and Saturn are > 6th and 8th lords resp. However, he didn't die and most probably will > survive. > > Your sishya, > Dhira Krsna dasa > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Tahoma">Dear Sudharsan and List, Tahoma"> Tahoma">Yes! Major OOPS! Thank you… I stand to be corrected. Major blunder on my part, and all the while knowing full well that haste makes waste. My intuition told me that when I hit send, something was amiss…but I didn’t listen. font-family:Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Tahoma;mso-hansi-font-family:Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">L 11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> I was mentally already on to my next agenda priority… Tahoma"> Tahoma">So this blundering technicality not only changes the first pair, it will also ultimately affect the ayur yogakarakas averages, because the first and second pair will now need to be calculated (rather than the first and third) and divided by four to get the correct longitudinal averages for Step 1 below. When I get the time needed to systematically organize my death and critical data in my database, on a few of the charts I have scattered about, and time to double check italic">both components and math, I will try and do a re-take on this one also, and add it to the “hit or miss” list. Tahoma"> Tahoma">I was also thinking that to give this a italic">really fair shot, I do suppose that all three methodologies should be exercised full scale. I’m big on ideas, and research of this nature motivates me, but too short on time at the moment…So when things slow down, I’ll get on it. Tahoma"> Tahoma">Thanks for catching this early on… Tahoma"> Tahoma"> 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy"> yes"> ~Namaste~ 11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy"> Sandy Crowther color:purple">http://www.jupitersweb.com/ 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> 10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial"> -----Original Message----- Sudharsan Srinivasan <sudhar108 > [sudhar108 ] Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:18 PM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: - Longevity determinants color:black">Hare Rama Krishna mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> Dear Sandy, The 8th house for Cancer Lagna is Sagittarius.This is arrived at as Cancer is an even house and the counting has to be anti-zodiacal.The 8th lord is Jupiter and the first pair has to be changed. Hare Krishna Sudharsan vedic astrology, "Sandy Crowther" <sandy@t...> wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Dhira, Siva, Swee, and List, > > Thanks for the chart Dhira…I will use this chart to demonstrate (on the > computer this time :-)) my understanding of the longevity determinants using > the 3 Pairs methodology. The gunshot victim (who survived to date) was born > on March 16, 1979, and was shot on January 22, 2003. > > Long life: 72 to 108 years: Medium life: 36 to 72 years: Short life: 0 to 36 > years > Movable signs = Long life: Dual Signs = Medium Life: Fixed Signs = Short > life > > 1. Determine the sign occupied by the lagna lord and the lord of the 8th: > Lagna lord is Moon in Libra = Movable, 8th lord is Saturn in Leo = Fixed. > Overall assessment for pair one = dual (medium life) > > 2. Determine signs of Lagna and Hora Lagna: > Cancer Ascendant = Movable. HL is Libra = Movable. Overall assessment for > pair two = movable (long life) > > 3. Determine signs of Moon and Saturn > Moon in Libra is Movable. Saturn in Leo is fixed. Overall assessment for > pair three = dual (medium life) > > Kakshya Hrasa: > > With respect to Kakshya Hrasa (for insights into plausible causes for > reduction indicators in the life span when judging longevity assessments) we > note that AK (soul) Venus is posited in the seventh in maraka sthana (killer > station), disposed of by bhukti lord Saturn in Leo, and receiving rasi and > graha drishti from maraka sthana (second), Saturn, and Rahu. Leo in the > second rules the abdomen, and the gunshot wounds occurred in the abdomen. > Eighth lord (and current bhukti lord) Saturn, is in a fixed sign. Because of > the confluent factors and indications cited above, the life span is > therefore reduced from medium to short. > > (Also interesting to note is that MD lord of wounds, 6th lord Jupiter, is > receiving rasi drishti in the first from the karakas representing violence > and wounds, Mars and Ketu, who are natally posited in bhukti lord Saturn's > house in the eighth. Rahu and bhukti eighth lord, Saturn, cause unobstructed > paapargala on both lagna and MD lord Jupiter, while lagna lord, Moon, from > the fourth house of miraculously efficient medicine causes unobstructed > subhaargala on both the lagna and sixth lord, thereby sustaining life.) > > Ayur Yogakarakas: > > Now to determine the average longitude of the primary ayur yogakarakas > (longevity determinants), which are pairs one and three, (because they both > give same longevity results) who are, in this case, identical. (Scientific > calculators with degree, minute, and second conversions come in handy for > this.) > > 1. Moon's longitude is 15º48'47" plus Saturn's longitudes is 01º56'26", > giving us a total of 17º45'13", divided by 2 = 08º52'36" or 8.876805556. > 2. 30º minus 08º52'36 = 21º07'24" (or 21.12333333) > 3. 21º07'24" divided by 30 = 00º42'14" or (0.704111111) > 4. 0.704111111 times 36 = 25.348 > So death should occur at age 25. Now we figure the month. > 5. 365.25 times .348 = 127.02 divided by 30.4375 days (average month) = > 4.173141684 > Now we have 25 years 4 months. > 6. .173141684 (part of month) times 30.4375 = 5.270000007 > This gives us 25 years 4 months and 5 days > 7. .270000007 times 24 (hours in a day) = 6:48 > This results in 25 years 4 months 5 days at approximately 6:48. > > The native was 23 years 10 months and 6 days when the gunshot wound > occurred, according to Dhira's commentary below. > > Please keep in mind when reading the above, that fractions of seconds were > not applied, and birth time accuracy down to seconds is certainly a better > contender. In this case, the three pairs, along with the application of ayur > yogakarakas, looks to be fairly close, with death being averted by medical > intervention (hopefully). > > There is certainly more that can be seen by applying different techniques > and dasas, but I just wanted to stick with longevity determinants using > three pairs…(Hope the mistakes are minimal…as I ran through this rather > quickly, and hope I didn't overlook an important technicality) :-( Also, I > believe the Moon here plays a role in providing nurturing and medicinal > healing, by virtue of position and argala interactions, but I haven't > studied the chart at any length to intelligently comment further. Thanks. > > Swee…Now I can go back to lurk mode. :-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy Crowther > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...] > Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:41 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Ramadas Rao & List - Longevity determinants > > Dear Sandy, > > You are very right in stating that timely medical intervention can prevent > death in critical periods. However, that should somehow or other also be > visible in the chart. > > FYI, I'd like to post a chart here as an example. Birth data are: March > 16th 1979, 14:15, Antwerp, Belgium. No DST. This young man was shot 4 > times in the belly on 22nd of January this year, at around noon time. > Without medical intervention he surely would have died, but he survived > and is slowly recovering now. He has Cancer lagna and was in Vimsottari of > Jup-Sat bhukti, which could have caused death as Jupiter and Saturn are > 6th and 8th lords resp. However, he didn't die and most probably will > survive. > > Your sishya, > Dhira Krsna dasa > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service > <> .. "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 Dear Sudharsan, Do you mean to say that for an even lagna you should read results regarding the chart in the reverse order of houses? Or only in regard to this 3 pairs system? Sounds quite far out to me. Who teached you this? >The 8th house for Cancer Lagna is Sagittarius.This is arrived at as >Cancer is an even house and the counting has to be anti-zodiacal.The >8th lord is Jupiter and the first pair has to be changed. Yours sincerely, Dhira Krsna dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Dhira Krsna Das, This is applicable for the 3 pairs method or any other technique that warrants it.This is not a general requirement. Hare Krishna Sudharsan vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote: > Dear Sudharsan, > > > Do you mean to say that for an even lagna you should read results > regarding the chart in the reverse order of houses? Or only in regard to > this 3 pairs system? Sounds quite far out to me. Who teached you this? > > >The 8th house for Cancer Lagna is Sagittarius.This is arrived at as > >Cancer is an even house and the counting has to be anti- zodiacal.The > >8th lord is Jupiter and the first pair has to be changed. > > Yours sincerely, > Dhira Krsna dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 hamsa om soham, Dear Dhira Krsna Dasa, When using the method of 3 pairs for longevity determination, the 8th lord (for the first pair) is to be determined on the basis of Vriddha Karika. Determining the vriddha karika for a sign: 1) The counting is zodiacal for odd-footed signs and anti-zodiacal for even-footed signs. 2) For moveable and dual signs, the vriddha karika falls in the 8th house from it 3) For fixed signs, the vriddha karika falls in the 2nd house from it Cancer is an odd-footed moveable sign. The 8th house from Cancer counted anti-zodiacally is Sagittarius. ajit - "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> <vedic astrology> Friday, February 14, 2003 8:22 AM [vedic astrology] Re: - Longevity determinants > Dear Sudharsan,> > > Do you mean to say that for an even lagna you should read results> regarding the chart in the reverse order of houses? Or only in regard to> this 3 pairs system? Sounds quite far out to me. Who teached you this?> > >The 8th house for Cancer Lagna is Sagittarius.This is arrived at as> >Cancer is an even house and the counting has to be anti-zodiacal.The> >8th lord is Jupiter and the first pair has to be changed.> > Yours sincerely,> Dhira Krsna dasa> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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