To Abort or not to Abort - a case study

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

 

There is no escape from this great sin.Choosing a day or hour to commit murder

is not going to change the karmic reaction in any way.Please advise this lady

to take responsibility for her action and avoid this great sin. As far as the

child's destiny, the soul that has entered her womb is destined to suffer at

the hands of a cruel mother and if she aborts this time the soul will again

enter another body and take birth in a family that is bereft of love.So there

is no escape from the wheel of time.So the best course of action for a human

being is to suffer the consequences of its karma and this way the soul is

purified.Its not in vain that the Manu Smriti advises that a murderer is to be

hanged.This hanging mitigates the sin of commiting murder.

 

HAre Krishna

 

SudharsanSunil John <suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Learned Members,

 

Pls find details of this woman who wants to abort her baby, on 28th Aug 2003, no

amount of counselling has helped in reversing her decision. She has passed the

stage of two minds about it and is fixed now on her decision, maybe thinking

that it is in the best interests of everyone that the child doesnt come in this

world.

 

Birth Details:

23rd May 1977, 21.10 , 151 E 50 26 S 33

 

Accuracy of Time of birth: Mother's memory

 

Characteristics:

She is unmarried, doesn't have money to bring a new born in this life, already

single mom of a 4 yr old, too much of anger and obsesse lady, doesnt work,

lives on Govt pension, avoids sending her 4 yr old to day care, hides behind

her and uses her as her sounding board, mother is easily depressed and too much

of anger and involvement in sex. Although she desires to improve her life but is

unable to.

 

Personal Comments

 

Although one understands that abortion is a sin among most religions but in such

circumstances it is felt that a child doesnt come and face more harsher

realities and unpleasant upbringing.

 

Plan to Abort

She plans to abort on Thursday 28th Aug around 12.00 noon, is this is a good

time to do so or should the time of abortion be changed, to lessen the bad

karma - is there some remedy etc prescribed for abortion or time of abortion

in our scriptures.

 

Interestingly there is so much happening in heavens around this date.

 

I would request learned members to respond asap as this is an SOS.

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Best wishes

 

Sunil John

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Pls find details of this woman who wants to abort her baby, on 28th Aug 2003, no

amount of counselling has helped in reversing her decision. She has passed the

stage of two minds about it and is fixed now on her decision, maybe thinking

that it is in the best interests of everyone that the child doesnt come in this

world.

 

Birth Details:

23rd May 1977, 21.10 , 151 E 50 26 S 33

 

Accuracy of Time of birth: Mother's memory

 

Characteristics:

She is unmarried, doesn't have money to bring a new born in this life, already

single mom of a 4 yr old, too much of anger and obsesse lady, doesnt work,

lives on Govt pension, avoids sending her 4 yr old to day care, hides behind

her and uses her as her sounding board, mother is easily depressed and too much

of anger and involvement in sex. Although she desires to improve her life but is

unable to.

 

Personal Comments

 

Although one understands that abortion is a sin among most religions but in such

circumstances it is felt that a child doesnt come and face more harsher

realities and unpleasant upbringing.

 

Plan to Abort

She plans to abort on Thursday 28th Aug around 12.00 noon, is this is a good

time to do so or should the time of abortion be changed, to lessen the bad

karma - is there some remedy etc prescribed for abortion or time of abortion

in our scriptures.

 

Interestingly there is so much happening in heavens around this date.

 

I would request learned members to respond asap as this is an SOS.

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Best wishes

 

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Having read the circumstances of this young lady (umarried, no money, etc.) I

feel that the counselling on this decision to her should be left to

Professionals outside of Astrology, i.e. those who are trained to counsel young

pregnant mothers in this state. Also, it is easy to see from the outside and

advise, but when the one is on the inside (the lady concerned) and sees

everyone advising it is a different story.

 

I mean no offence to anyone, and thank God I am born a Man.

 

Thanks,

Sateesh.

 

========

 

 

- Sudharsan Srinivasan

vedic astrology

Monday, August 25, 2003 3:57 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] To Abort or not to Abort - a case study

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Sunil,

 

There is no escape from this great sin.Choosing a day or hour to commit murder

is not going to change the karmic reaction in any way.Please advise this lady

to take responsibility for her action and avoid this great sin. As far as the

child's destiny, the soul that has entered her womb is destined to suffer at

the hands of a cruel mother and if she aborts this time the soul will again

enter another body and take birth in a family that is bereft of love.So there

is no escape from the wheel of time.So the best course of action for a human

being is to suffer the consequences of its karma and this way the soul is

purified.Its not in vain that the Manu Smriti advises that a murderer is to be

hanged.This hanging mitigates the sin of commiting murder.

 

HAre Krishna

 

SudharsanSunil John <suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Learned Members,

 

Pls find details of this woman who wants to abort her baby, on 28th Aug 2003, no

amount of counselling has helped in reversing her decision. She has passed the

stage of two minds about it and is fixed now on her decision, maybe thinking

that it is in the best interests of everyone that the child doesnt come in this

world.

 

Birth Details:

23rd May 1977, 21.10 , 151 E 50 26 S 33

 

Accuracy of Time of birth: Mother's memory

 

Characteristics:

She is unmarried, doesn't have money to bring a new born in this life, already

single mom of a 4 yr old, too much of anger and obsesse lady, doesnt work,

lives on Govt pension, avoids sending her 4 yr old to day care, hides behind

her and uses her as her sounding board, mother is easily depressed and too much

of anger and involvement in sex. Although she desires to improve her life but is

unable to.

 

Personal Comments

 

Although one understands that abortion is a sin among most religions but in such

circumstances it is felt that a child doesnt come and face more harsher

realities and unpleasant upbringing.

 

Plan to Abort

She plans to abort on Thursday 28th Aug around 12.00 noon, is this is a good

time to do so or should the time of abortion be changed, to lessen the bad

karma - is there some remedy etc prescribed for abortion or time of abortion

in our scriptures.

 

Interestingly there is so much happening in heavens around this date.

 

I would request learned members to respond asap as this is an SOS.

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Best wishes

 

Sunil John

Mumbai

 

 

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Dear Sudharshan, Hang on..please don't judge. The moment people start getting

into religion, they start to judge others. Whether a soul has entered her womb

or not would depend on how many months she is pregnant. There are many thoughts

on when the soul enters a body. One schools of thought - "That happens according

to each individual soul between the 3rd and 5th month of life. Many women feel

this phenomena which many in the western world know as 'the quickening'. "

Though I personally I am against abortion, I wouldn't condemn or judge, already

women have been suppressed from many millennia because of the guilt associated

with these kind of judgments. Let one who has not sinned judge another. Leave

it up to the supreme.

 

Best wishes

Ravi

-

Sudharsan Srinivasan

vedic astrology

Monday, August 25, 2003 7:57 AM

Re: [Vedic-astrology] To Abort or not to Abort - a case study

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Sunil,

 

There is no escape from this great sin.Choosing a day or hour to commit murder

is not going to change the karmic reaction in any way.Please advise this lady

to take responsibility for her action and avoid this great sin. As far as the

child's destiny, the soul that has entered her womb is destined to suffer at

the hands of a cruel mother and if she aborts this time the soul will again

enter another body and take birth in a family that is bereft of love.So there

is no escape from the wheel of time.So the best course of action for a human

being is to suffer the consequences of its karma and this way the soul is

purified.Its not in vain that the Manu Smriti advises that a murderer is to be

hanged.This hanging mitigates the sin of commiting murder.

 

HAre Krishna

 

SudharsanSunil John <suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Learned Members,

 

Pls find details of this woman who wants to abort her baby, on 28th Aug 2003, no

amount of counselling has helped in reversing her decision. She has passed the

stage of two minds about it and is fixed now on her decision, maybe thinking

that it is in the best interests of everyone that the child doesnt come in this

world.

 

Birth Details:

23rd May 1977, 21.10 , 151 E 50 26 S 33

 

Accuracy of Time of birth: Mother's memory

 

Characteristics:

She is unmarried, doesn't have money to bring a new born in this life, already

single mom of a 4 yr old, too much of anger and obsesse lady, doesnt work,

lives on Govt pension, avoids sending her 4 yr old to day care, hides behind

her and uses her as her sounding board, mother is easily depressed and too much

of anger and involvement in sex. Although she desires to improve her life but is

unable to.

 

Personal Comments

 

Although one understands that abortion is a sin among most religions but in such

circumstances it is felt that a child doesnt come and face more harsher

realities and unpleasant upbringing.

 

Plan to Abort

She plans to abort on Thursday 28th Aug around 12.00 noon, is this is a good

time to do so or should the time of abortion be changed, to lessen the bad

karma - is there some remedy etc prescribed for abortion or time of abortion

in our scriptures.

 

Interestingly there is so much happening in heavens around this date.

 

I would request learned members to respond asap as this is an SOS.

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Best wishes

 

Sunil John

Mumbai

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry. I do not mean any direct offense but this kind of mail

pains me as much as the recent ones by mr. suri about how awful

jyotish and jyotishis are. this must be the mars thing. so many

strange posts within a few weeks!

 

I have to say that this is a terrible way to deal with this

situation. I also have to say that the original mail was not that

nonjudgmental either ("avoids sending her 4 yr old to day care,

hides behind her and uses her as her sounding board, mother is

easily depressed and too much of anger and involvement in sex" etc

etc). that is loaded language, to say the least! but I am hoping

that the person who asked the question did it with all sincerity.

 

anyway, without knowing exactly what the circumstances are in this

woman's life and what sort of a state her mind is in, we cannot say

that she is a "murderer" and that this kind of "sin" is one which

the sinner should be "hanged" for! that is terrible to hear and

painful to read or imagine. please. there should be no religion that

would cast somebody in the dung heap like this with no promise of

salvation!

 

I sincerely wish she finds some peace within herself whatever her

decision at the end.

 

regards,

rani.

 

 

vedic astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan

<sudhar108> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Sunil,

>

> There is no escape from this great sin.Choosing a day or hour to

commit murder is not going to change the karmic reaction in any

way.Please advise this lady to take responsibility for her action

and avoid this great sin. As far as the child's destiny, the soul

that has entered her womb is destined to suffer at the hands of a

cruel mother and if she aborts this time the soul will again enter

another body and take birth in a family that is bereft of love.So

there is no escape from the wheel of time.So the best course of

action for a human being is to suffer the consequences of its karma

and this way the soul is purified.Its not in vain that the Manu

Smriti advises that a murderer is to be hanged.This hanging

mitigates the sin of commiting murder.

>

> HAre Krishna

>

> Sudharsan

>

> Sunil John <suniljohn@l...> wrote:

> table.mail_content {DISPLAY: block}Dear Learned Members,

>

> Pls find details of this woman who wants to abort her baby, on

28th Aug 2003, no amount of counselling has helped in reversing her

decision. She has passed the stage of two minds about it and is

fixed now on her decision, maybe thinking that it is in the best

interests of everyone that the child doesnt come in this world.

>

> Birth Details:

> 23rd May 1977, 21.10 , 151 E 50 26 S 33

>

> Accuracy of Time of birth: Mother's memory

>

> Characteristics:

> She is unmarried, doesn't have money to bring a new born in this

life, already single mom of a 4 yr old, too much of anger and

obsesse lady, doesnt work, lives on Govt pension, avoids sending her

4 yr old to day care, hides behind her and uses her as her sounding

board, mother is easily depressed and too much of anger and

involvement in sex. Although she desires to improve her life but is

unable to.

>

> Personal Comments

>

> Although one understands that abortion is a sin among most

religions but in such circumstances it is felt that a child doesnt

come and face more harsher realities and unpleasant upbringing.

>

> Plan to Abort

> She plans to abort on Thursday 28th Aug around 12.00 noon, is this

is a good time to do so or should the time of abortion be changed,

to lessen the bad karma - is there some remedy etc prescribed for

abortion or time of abortion in our scriptures.

>

> Interestingly there is so much happening in heavens around this

date.

>

> I would request learned members to respond asap as this is an SOS.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

>

> Best wishes

>

> Sunil John

> Mumbai

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Dear Sunil,

i was off from the list for quite some time now. The chart presented by you

needs rectification. Anyhow the native is presently undergoing the dasa of Buda

and antardasa of Guru as per dwisaptati sama dasa scheme. This Guru is

associated with Mars and Ketu in Saptamsa. Her AK is Mars. This is one of the

reasons for her attitude. Buda aspects the 12th from her karakamsa. Her

intention is to disown the child. Abortion is not the only way of disowning

the child. She can give the child in adoption to the lord. Ask her to visit

Shri Krishna temple positively tomorrow. Ask her to read the story of Lord

Krishna atleast till the birth of the Lord. Ask her to chant atleast 1000

times "OM NAMO NARAYANAYA" before taking further steps towards adoption.

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Dear Learned Members,

 

Pls find details of this woman who wants to abort her baby, on 28th Aug 2003, no

amount of counselling has helped in reversing her decision. She has passed the

stage of two minds about it and is fixed now on her decision, maybe thinking

that it is in the best interests of everyone that the child doesnt come in this

world.

 

Birth Details:

23rd May 1977, 21.10 , 151 E 50 26 S 33

 

Accuracy of Time of birth: Mother's memory

 

Characteristics:

She is unmarried, doesn't have money to bring a new born in this life, already

single mom of a 4 yr old, too much of anger and obsesse lady, doesnt work,

lives on Govt pension, avoids sending her 4 yr old to day care, hides behind

her and uses her as her sounding board, mother is easily depressed and too much

of anger and involvement in sex. Although she desires to improve her life but is

unable to.

 

Personal Comments

 

Although one understands that abortion is a sin among most religions but in such

circumstances it is felt that a child doesnt come and face more harsher

realities and unpleasant upbringing.

 

Plan to Abort

She plans to abort on Thursday 28th Aug around 12.00 noon, is this is a good

time to do so or should the time of abortion be changed, to lessen the bad

karma - is there some remedy etc prescribed for abortion or time of abortion

in our scriptures.

 

Interestingly there is so much happening in heavens around this date.

 

I would request learned members to respond asap as this is an SOS.

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Best wishes

 

Sunil John

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Ravi,Rani and List,

 

It was not my intention to initiate a "pro-lifepro-choice" debate nor was it

to judge anybody or cause pain.Lets take a closer look at Sunil's query and my

answer to it before jumping to any conclusion about religion and my involvement

in religion-(Ravi was very quick in labeling me in his post).I did not offer any

solution either, all I did was answer his query on Karmic implications.If the

language was strong, so was the situation and this is the harsh reality of

Karmic reactions.I do agree that we should pray to the Lord that He protect us

from such situations where we are forced to take a decision of this kind.

 

Killing any animal or any form of life is Murder(euphemism doesnt help here-it

might only help continue the sinning and escapism).This is the infallible law

of Karma. Which Father would look on when His less intelligent children are

haplessly slaughtered by the more intelligent ones? Does it make it any less

heinous, because its at the very inception of life or its a helpless animal.(

Ravi-Iam not going to get into any argument on when life starts or the soul

enters. This is the basics of Jyotisha and the scriptures.-even this group has

many sources and articles where creation is explained).

 

Rani, I used the comparison to Manu Smrithi about hanging the accused killer to

merely indicate that karma is cleared by suffering pain as it purifies.

 

Ravi,the only way to respect women is to not view them as objects to satisfy

lusty desires. Its recommended that we view every woman as our own mother and

that is independent of their age.Where does discussing karmic reactions of an

abortion or the intention to abort have anything to do with respect for women?

I think you were clearly judging me in your post.

 

I am not going to reply or continue this thread any further as we have digressed

from the main area of interest and especially so because MARS is very close to

us and this is period when arguments are best avoided.

 

Hare Krishna

 

Sudharsan

 

 

raindancer_1998 <raindancer_1998 > wrote:

I'm sorry. I do not mean any direct offense but this kind of mail pains me as

much as the recent ones by mr. suri about how awful jyotish and jyotishis are.

this must be the mars thing. so many strange posts within a few weeks! I have

to say that this is a terrible way to deal with this situation. I also have to

say that the original mail was not that nonjudgmental either ("avoids sending

her 4 yr old to day care, hides behind her and uses her as her sounding board,

mother is easily depressed and too much of anger and involvement in sex" etc

etc). that is loaded language, to say the least! but I am hoping that the

person who asked the question did it with all sincerity. anyway, without

knowing exactly what the circumstances are in this woman's life and what sort

of a state her mind is in, we cannot say that she is a

"murderer" and that this kind of "sin" is one which the sinner should be

"hanged" for! that is terrible to hear and painful to read or imagine. please.

there should be no religion that would cast somebody in the dung heap like this

with no promise of salvation! I sincerely wish she finds some peace within

herself whatever her decision at the end. regards,rani.--- In

vedic astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan <sudhar108> wrote:>

Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Sunil,> > There is no escape from this great

sin.Choosing a day or hour to commit murder is not going to change the karmic

reaction in any way.Please advise this lady to take responsibility for her

action and avoid this great sin. As far as the child's destiny, the soul that

has entered her womb is destined to suffer at the hands of a cruel mother and

if she aborts this time the soul

will again enter another body and take birth in a family that is bereft of

love.So there is no escape from the wheel of time.So the best course of action

for a human being is to suffer the consequences of its karma and this way the

soul is purified.Its not in vain that the Manu Smriti advises that a murderer

is to be hanged.This hanging mitigates the sin of commiting murder.> > HAre

Krishna> > Sudharsan> > Sunil John <suniljohn@l...> wrote:> table.mail_content

{DISPLAY: block}Dear Learned Members,> > Pls find details of this woman who

wants to abort her baby, on 28th Aug 2003, no amount of counselling has helped

in reversing her decision. She has passed the stage of two minds about it and

is fixed now on her decision, maybe thinking that it is in the best interests

of everyone that the child doesnt come in this world.> > Birth

Details:> 23rd May 1977, 21.10 , 151 E 50 26 S 33> > Accuracy of Time of

birth: Mother's memory> > Characteristics: > She is unmarried, doesn't have

money to bring a new born in this life, already single mom of a 4 yr old, too

much of anger and obsesse lady, doesnt work, lives on Govt pension, avoids

sending her 4 yr old to day care, hides behind her and uses her as her sounding

board, mother is easily depressed and too much of anger and involvement in sex.

Although she desires to improve her life but is unable to.> > Personal

Comments> > Although one understands that abortion is a sin among most

religions but in such circumstances it is felt that a child doesnt come and

face more harsher realities and unpleasant upbringing.> > Plan to Abort> She

plans to abort on Thursday 28th Aug around 12.00 noon, is this is a good time

to do so or should the time of abortion be changed, to lessen the bad karma -

is there some remedy etc prescribed for abortion or time of abortion in our

scriptures.> > Interestingly there is so much happening in heavens around this

date.> > I would request learned members to respond asap as this is an SOS.> >

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Dear Sudharsan,

 

thank you for writing to me. I know and understand what you are

saying. it nonetheless upset me to see your post and to see it

spelled out like that. It felt too much as if we were playing "blame

the woman". what about the man who got her pregnant like this and is

not around? is he not to blame in any way? does he not suffer for

his "sins"?

 

what if she was raped? what if she cannot take adequate care of the

child? it sounds as if she cannot, what with one child already.

 

I realise that she needs to take responsibility for her actions, and

this is a way of shirking them. but from another angle (other than

yours) she is maybe as much a victim as the child she is carrying,

you know?

 

anyway, my point is without knowing what her true circumstances are,

I did not feel that we should be judging her and "sentencing" her

soul to eternal sinnerhood.

 

please don't take my words to heart. I have read your postings and I

know how sincere and genuine and honest you are. but nonetheless I

feel that there needs to be "a way out" for women in her situation.

 

so please tell us, is there a way out for her? (I am posting this

to the group as well, in response to your posting to me, okay?).

 

take care.

 

regards,

rani.

 

 

vedic astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan

<sudhar108> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Ravi,Rani and List,

>

> It was not my intention to initiate a "pro-lifepro-choice"

debate nor was it to judge anybody or cause pain.Lets take a closer

look at Sunil's query and my answer to it before jumping to any

conclusion about religion and my involvement in religion-(Ravi was

very quick in labeling me in his post).I did not offer any solution

either, all I did was answer his query on Karmic implications.If the

language was strong, so was the situation and this is the harsh

reality of Karmic reactions.I do agree that we should pray to the

Lord that He protect us from such situations where we are forced to

take a decision of this kind.

>

> Killing any animal or any form of life is Murder(euphemism doesnt

help here-it might only help continue the sinning and escapism).This

is the infallible law of Karma. Which Father would look on when His

less intelligent children are haplessly slaughtered by the more

intelligent ones? Does it make it any less heinous, because its at

the very inception of life or its a helpless animal.( Ravi-Iam not

going to get into any argument on when life starts or the soul

enters. This is the basics of Jyotisha and the scriptures.-even this

group has many sources and articles where creation is explained).

>

> Rani, I used the comparison to Manu Smrithi about hanging the

accused killer to merely indicate that karma is cleared by

suffering pain as it purifies.

>

> Ravi,the only way to respect women is to not view them as objects

to satisfy lusty desires. Its recommended that we view every woman

as our own mother and that is independent of their age.Where does

discussing karmic reactions of an abortion or the intention to abort

have anything to do with respect for women? I think you were clearly

judging me in your post.

>

> I am not going to reply or continue this thread any further as we

have digressed from the main area of interest and especially so

because MARS is very close to us and this is period when arguments

are best avoided.

>

> Hare Krishna

>

> Sudharsan

>

>

>

> raindancer_1998 <raindancer_1998> wrote:

> I'm sorry. I do not mean any direct offense but this kind of mail

> pains me as much as the recent ones by mr. suri about how awful

> jyotish and jyotishis are. this must be the mars thing. so many

> strange posts within a few weeks!

>

> I have to say that this is a terrible way to deal with this

> situation. I also have to say that the original mail was not that

> nonjudgmental either ("avoids sending her 4 yr old to day care,

> hides behind her and uses her as her sounding board, mother is

> easily depressed and too much of anger and involvement in sex" etc

> etc). that is loaded language, to say the least! but I am hoping

> that the person who asked the question did it with all sincerity.

>

> anyway, without knowing exactly what the circumstances are in this

> woman's life and what sort of a state her mind is in, we cannot

say

> that she is a "murderer" and that this kind of "sin" is one which

> the sinner should be "hanged" for! that is terrible to hear and

> painful to read or imagine. please. there should be no religion

that

> would cast somebody in the dung heap like this with no promise of

> salvation!

>

> I sincerely wish she finds some peace within herself whatever her

> decision at the end.

>

> regards,

> rani.

>

>

> vedic astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan

> <sudhar108> wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> >

> > There is no escape from this great sin.Choosing a day or hour to

> commit murder is not going to change the karmic reaction in any

> way.Please advise this lady to take responsibility for her action

> and avoid this great sin. As far as the child's destiny, the soul

> that has entered her womb is destined to suffer at the hands of a

> cruel mother and if she aborts this time the soul will again enter

> another body and take birth in a family that is bereft of love.So

> there is no escape from the wheel of time.So the best course of

> action for a human being is to suffer the consequences of its

karma

> and this way the soul is purified.Its not in vain that the Manu

> Smriti advises that a murderer is to be hanged.This hanging

> mitigates the sin of commiting murder.

> >

> > HAre Krishna

> >

> > Sudharsan

> >

> > Sunil John <suniljohn@l...> wrote:

> > table.mail_content {DISPLAY: block}Dear Learned Members,

> >

> > Pls find details of this woman who wants to abort her baby, on

> 28th Aug 2003, no amount of counselling has helped in reversing

her

> decision. She has passed the stage of two minds about it and is

> fixed now on her decision, maybe thinking that it is in the best

> interests of everyone that the child doesnt come in this world.

> >

> > Birth Details:

> > 23rd May 1977, 21.10 , 151 E 50 26 S 33

> >

> > Accuracy of Time of birth: Mother's memory

> >

> > Characteristics:

> > She is unmarried, doesn't have money to bring a new born in this

> life, already single mom of a 4 yr old, too much of anger and

> obsesse lady, doesnt work, lives on Govt pension, avoids sending

her

> 4 yr old to day care, hides behind her and uses her as her

sounding

> board, mother is easily depressed and too much of anger and

> involvement in sex. Although she desires to improve her life but

is

> unable to.

> >

> > Personal Comments

> >

> > Although one understands that abortion is a sin among most

> religions but in such circumstances it is felt that a child doesnt

> come and face more harsher realities and unpleasant upbringing.

> >

> > Plan to Abort

> > She plans to abort on Thursday 28th Aug around 12.00 noon, is

this

> is a good time to do so or should the time of abortion be changed,

> to lessen the bad karma - is there some remedy etc prescribed for

> abortion or time of abortion in our scriptures.

> >

> > Interestingly there is so much happening in heavens around this

> date.

> >

> > I would request learned members to respond asap as this is an

SOS.

> >

> > Thanks in advance

> >

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Sunil John

> > Mumbai

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