Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Chandrashekhar, Applying this principle, will Jupiter and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord? Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" >vedic astrology > >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house it and Saturn Protects// >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time) > >Dear Pradeep, >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in their >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati. >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to protect. >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions. >Chandrashekhar. > >---- > >vedic astrology >Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house >it and Saturn Protects// > >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members. > >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in >which >it is placed and Saturn Protects. > >Here I have some queries. > >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and >harm >or destroy. > >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) - >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if >saturn >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above >statement >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this >'negative-negative' is wrong. > >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test >the >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard >as >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can >combat >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and >other >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right? > >But why is it trying to destroy? > >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come >into >play while deciding on this? > >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of >which >it >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful. > >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about >jupiter placed in ascendant. > >Thanks a lot >Pradeep > > > > Sponsor > > > > > >Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >> > > > Access Hotmail from your mobile now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Dear Kanupriya, All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and overriders given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord of the 2nd would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso owning 11th a lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord of a Dusthana. Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his Dasha. Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny and some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing justice. Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however his Dashas would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square he gives benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some form of selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the person would be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to protect the house.. Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise. Chandrashekhar. kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. Om Gurave Namah Dear Chandrashekhar, Applying this principle, will Jupiter and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord? Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" >vedic astrology > >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house it and Saturn Protects// >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time) > >Dear Pradeep, >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in their >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati. >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to protect. >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions. >Chandrashekhar. > >---- > >vedic astrology >Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house >it and Saturn Protects// > >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members. > >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in >which >it is placed and Saturn Protects. > >Here I have some queries. > >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and >harm >or destroy. > >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) - >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if >saturn >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above >statement >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this >'negative-negative' is wrong. > >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test >the >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard >as >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can >combat >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and >other >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right? > >But why is it trying to destroy? > >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come >into >play while deciding on this? > >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of >which >it >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful. > >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about >jupiter placed in ascendant. > >Thanks a lot >Pradeep > > > > Sponsor > > > > > >Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >> > > > Access Hotmail from your mobile now. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Chandrashekhar, Thankyou again for your response.The interesting combination is that Saturn is also the Istha devta and Jupiter is Ak.Will that change the role during dasa's to be more maraka in terms that the native will be forced to learn the lessons which the soul must learn rather than just signifying a hard time for the lagna? Could this also indicate that in some ways Sautrn and Jupiter will work together?One being Ak and the other Ishtha?Saturn is placed in the 5th house, is rahu also considerd for paka lagna? Thanking you, Kanupriya. >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" >vedic astrology > >RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. >Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:28:40 +0530 > >Dear Kanupriya, >All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and >overriders given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord >of the 2nd would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso >owning 11th a lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord >of a Dusthana. Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his >Dasha. >Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny >and some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing >justice. Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however >his Dashas would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square >he gives benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some >form of selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the >person would be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to >protect the house.. >Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise. >Chandrashekhar. > > kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] > Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Applying this principle, will Jupiter >and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in >lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord? > > Best Wishes, > > Kanupriya. > > >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" > >vedic astrology > > > >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying >the house it and Saturn Protects// > >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time) > > > >Dear Pradeep, > >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in >their > >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living > >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with > >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to > >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than > >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got > >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn > >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati. > >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to >protect. > >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal > >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions. > >Chandrashekhar. > > > >---- > > > >vedic astrology > >Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the >house > >it and Saturn Protects// > > > >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members. > > > >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in > >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in > >which > >it is placed and Saturn Protects. > > > >Here I have some queries. > > > >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and > >harm > >or destroy. > > > >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) - > >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad > >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if > >saturn > >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above > >statement > >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this > >'negative-negative' is wrong. > > > >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test > >the > >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard > >as > >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can > >combat > >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and > >other > >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right? > > > >But why is it trying to destroy? > > > >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come > >into > >play while deciding on this? > > > >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of > >which > >it > >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful. > > > >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about > >jupiter placed in ascendant. > > > >Thanks a lot > >Pradeep > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- >-- > Access Hotmail from your mobile now. > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release 8/19/03 MSN Hotmail now on your Mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 Dear Kanupriya, My personal opinion is that one should normally follow the regular Lagna/ navamsha system . The reason is that even now complete material about effects of Karakas and Arudhas are not fully understood. I know this is not a popular thinking, but Parashara says that "Similar results should also be seen from Arudha" . Again when talking about results of 4th and 5th from Karakamsha Jaimini says "Bhagye chaivam" meaning"Similar results should be told from the 2nd house". Having said that, is not it true that Atmakaraka's dasha generally not good? About hard time being read as the lessons learned by soul, let me give my opinion. For those who understand the axiom, they are not disturbed by either Hard time of Good time. These are the one's whom the Lord Krishna calls Yogi or Sthitapradnya. I look at soul from the view point of what has been said by the Lord in Bhagvadgita, that he is not affected by anything. "Nainan Chindanti shastrNI.....Na shoshaiyati marut". Therefore the analogy of lessons being taught to the soul does not apeal to me.However this is my personal opinion.Other worthies might hold a different definition of soul. Hope this helps, Chandrashekhar. kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:12 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. Om Gurave Namah Dear Chandrashekhar, Thankyou again for your response.The interesting combination is that Saturn is also the Istha devta and Jupiter is Ak.Will that change the role during dasa's to be more maraka in terms that the native will be forced to learn the lessons which the soul must learn rather than just signifying a hard time for the lagna? Could this also indicate that in some ways Sautrn and Jupiter will work together?One being Ak and the other Ishtha?Saturn is placed in the 5th house, is rahu also considerd for paka lagna? Thanking you, Kanupriya. >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" >vedic astrology > >RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. >Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:28:40 +0530 > >Dear Kanupriya, >All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and >overriders given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord >of the 2nd would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso >owning 11th a lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord >of a Dusthana. Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his >Dasha. >Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny >and some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing >justice. Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however >his Dashas would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square >he gives benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some >form of selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the >person would be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to >protect the house.. >Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise. >Chandrashekhar. > > kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] > Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Applying this principle, will Jupiter >and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in >lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord? > > Best Wishes, > > Kanupriya. > > >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" > >vedic astrology > > > >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying >the house it and Saturn Protects// > >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time) > > > >Dear Pradeep, > >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in >their > >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living > >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with > >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to > >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than > >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got > >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn > >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati. > >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to >protect. > >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal > >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions. > >Chandrashekhar. > > > >---- > > > >vedic astrology > >Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the >house > >it and Saturn Protects// > > > >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members. > > > >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in > >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in > >which > >it is placed and Saturn Protects. > > > >Here I have some queries. > > > >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and > >harm > >or destroy. > > > >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) - > >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad > >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if > >saturn > >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above > >statement > >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this > >'negative-negative' is wrong. > > > >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test > >the > >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard > >as > >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can > >combat > >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and > >other > >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right? > > > >But why is it trying to destroy? > > > >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come > >into > >play while deciding on this? > > > >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of > >which > >it > >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful. > > > >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about > >jupiter placed in ascendant. > > > >Thanks a lot > >Pradeep > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- >-- > Access Hotmail from your mobile now. > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release 8/19/03 MSN Hotmail now on your Mobile phone. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted August 27, 2003 Report Share Posted August 27, 2003 Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Forgive my intrusion and I certainly do not profess to be learned. We all agree that the soul is unaffected but how many of us have really learnt our true identity as Atma. Most of us, including me, identify only with the body. This is the root cause of all miseries. When the supreme Lord says, that the soul is really not affected, that truly applies but the disaffection is only understood by someone who has realized that his true identity is the soul. But unfortunately we are on the material platform and through the mind and senses identify with this rotting body and consequently we suffer. A good example that comes to mind of a realized soul and reaction to an apparent material calamity was of Srila Prabhupada. Once in NY, He received a letter from India. The devotees here in the early 1970's were always excited to see anything from India and were eager to know the contents.Srila Prabhupada opened the letter and gave a smile and looking at the anxious faces and said that His sister had passed away. But He was happy because she would be serving Krishna in Goloka Vrndavana. So this is a case where the living entity has competely realized His true identity and could only see the soul within His sisters body.If the same circumstances had happened to any of us, even with all our knowledge, we will be lamenting the loss. In conclusion in my opinion the Dasa of the Atmakaraka is never a pain *IF* one has truly realized his/her identity as the soul and moves toward the Supreme.On the other hand for the rest of us who are totally on the bodily platform, the atmakaraka teaches us lessons and makes us realize that we are infact an ATMA and NOT this body. Hare Krishna SudharsanChandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Kanupriya, My personal opinion is that one should normally follow the regular Lagna/ navamsha system . The reason is that even now complete material about effects of Karakas and Arudhas are not fully understood. I know this is not a popular thinking, but Parashara says that "Similar results should also be seen from Arudha" . Again when talking about results of 4th and 5th from Karakamsha Jaimini says "Bhagye chaivam" meaning"Similar results should be told from the 2nd house". Having said that, is not it true that Atmakaraka's dasha generally not good? About hard time being read as the lessons learned by soul, let me give my opinion. For those who understand the axiom, they are not disturbed by either Hard time of Good time. These are the one's whom the Lord Krishna calls Yogi or Sthitapradnya. I look at soul from the view point of what has been said by the Lord in Bhagvadgita, that he is not affected by anything. "Nainan Chindanti shastrNI.....Na shoshaiyati marut". Therefore the analogy of lessons being taught to the soul does not apeal to me.However this is my personal opinion.Other worthies might hold a different definition of soul. Hope this helps, Chandrashekhar. kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:12 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. Om Gurave Namah Dear Chandrashekhar, Thankyou again for your response.The interesting combination is that Saturn is also the Istha devta and Jupiter is Ak.Will that change the role during dasa's to be more maraka in terms that the native will be forced to learn the lessons which the soul must learn rather than just signifying a hard time for the lagna? Could this also indicate that in some ways Sautrn and Jupiter will work together?One being Ak and the other Ishtha?Saturn is placed in the 5th house, is rahu also considerd for paka lagna? Thanking you, Kanupriya. >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" >vedic astrology > >RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. >Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:28:40 +0530 > >Dear Kanupriya, >All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and >overriders given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord >of the 2nd would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso >owning 11th a lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord >of a Dusthana. Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his >Dasha. >Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny >and some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing >justice. Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however >his Dashas would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square >he gives benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some >form of selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the >person would be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to >protect the house.. >Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise. >Chandrashekhar. > > kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] > Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Applying this principle, will Jupiter >and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in >lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord? > > Best Wishes, > > Kanupriya. > > >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" > >vedic astrology > > > >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying >the house it and Saturn Protects// > >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time) > > > >Dear Pradeep, > >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in >their > >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living > >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with > >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to > >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than > >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got > >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn > >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati. > >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to >protect. > >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal > >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions. > >Chandrashekhar. > > > >---- > > > >vedic astrology > >Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the >house > >it and Saturn Protects// > > > >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members. > > > >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in > >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in > >which > >it is placed and Saturn Protects. > > > >Here I have some queries. > > > >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and > >harm > >or destroy. > > > >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) - > >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad > >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if > >saturn > >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above > >statement > >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this > >'negative-negative' is wrong. > > > >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test > >the > >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard > >as > >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can > >combat > >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and > >other > >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right? > > > >But why is it trying to destroy? > > > >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come > >into > >play while deciding on this? > > > >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of > >which > >it > >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful. > > > >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about > >jupiter placed in ascendant. > > > >Thanks a lot > >Pradeep > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- >-- > Access Hotmail from your mobile now. > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release 8/19/03 MSN Hotmail now on your Mobile phone. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Dear Sudharsanji I do not think there is much of a difference between what you and me have said,in the mater of Atma learning a lesson. Astrological texts say that Dasa of Mahadasa is not good. Teaching one a lesson or otherwise is the interpretation put on it by others to explain the concept. I was commenting about whether Soul(Atma) can be taught.I think not. Mind could be taught. My comment was in respect of this anamoly, and the fact that not everybody learns the lesson. About dasa of Atmakaraka making us realise that "We are the Atma and not the Body", I must agree to disagree. Almost every body is likely to experience the period of Dasa of Atmakaraka, if with sufficient longevity. But one does not find an equal number having realised that""We are the Atma and not the Body". About the Yogi the Lord says that he is neither Happy nor unhappy (Sthitapradnya).He also elaborates by stating that knowing ,to which loka one goes after death, when one dies in Uttrayana and which if in dakshinayana, the yogi is not affected by the Ayana in which his end comes. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sudharsan Srinivasan [sudhar108 ]Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:05 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. Hare Rama Krishna Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Forgive my intrusion and I certainly do not profess to be learned. We all agree that the soul is unaffected but how many of us have really learnt our true identity as Atma. Most of us, including me, identify only with the body. This is the root cause of all miseries. When the supreme Lord says, that the soul is really not affected, that truly applies but the disaffection is only understood by someone who has realized that his true identity is the soul. But unfortunately we are on the material platform and through the mind and senses identify with this rotting body and consequently we suffer. A good example that comes to mind of a realized soul and reaction to an apparent material calamity was of Srila Prabhupada. Once in NY, He received a letter from India. The devotees here in the early 1970's were always excited to see anything from India and were eager to know the contents.Srila Prabhupada opened the letter and gave a smile and looking at the anxious faces and said that His sister had passed away. But He was happy because she would be serving Krishna in Goloka Vrndavana. So this is a case where the living entity has competely realized His true identity and could only see the soul within His sisters body.If the same circumstances had happened to any of us, even with all our knowledge, we will be lamenting the loss. In conclusion in my opinion the Dasa of the Atmakaraka is never a pain *IF* one has truly realized his/her identity as the soul and moves toward the Supreme.On the other hand for the rest of us who are totally on the bodily platform, the atmakaraka teaches us lessons and makes us realize that we are infact an ATMA and NOT this body. Hare Krishna SudharsanChandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Kanupriya, My personal opinion is that one should normally follow the regular Lagna/ navamsha system . The reason is that even now complete material about effects of Karakas and Arudhas are not fully understood. I know this is not a popular thinking, but Parashara says that "Similar results should also be seen from Arudha" . Again when talking about results of 4th and 5th from Karakamsha Jaimini says "Bhagye chaivam" meaning"Similar results should be told from the 2nd house". Having said that, is not it true that Atmakaraka's dasha generally not good? About hard time being read as the lessons learned by soul, let me give my opinion. For those who understand the axiom, they are not disturbed by either Hard time of Good time. These are the one's whom the Lord Krishna calls Yogi or Sthitapradnya. I look at soul from the view point of what has been said by the Lord in Bhagvadgita, that he is not affected by anything. "Nainan Chindanti shastrNI.....Na shoshaiyati marut". Therefore the analogy of lessons being taught to the soul does not apeal to me.However this is my personal opinion.Other worthies might hold a different definition of soul. Hope this helps, Chandrashekhar. kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:12 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. Om Gurave Namah Dear Chandrashekhar, Thankyou again for your response.The interesting combination is that Saturn is also the Istha devta and Jupiter is Ak.Will that change the role during dasa's to be more maraka in terms that the native will be forced to learn the lessons which the soul must learn rather than just signifying a hard time for the lagna? Could this also indicate that in some ways Sautrn and Jupiter will work together?One being Ak and the other Ishtha?Saturn is placed in the 5th house, is rahu also considerd for paka lagna? Thanking you, Kanupriya. >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" >vedic astrology > >RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. >Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:28:40 +0530 > >Dear Kanupriya, >All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and >overriders given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord >of the 2nd would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso >owning 11th a lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord >of a Dusthana. Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his >Dasha. >Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny >and some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing >justice. Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however >his Dashas would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square >he gives benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some >form of selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the >person would be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to >protect the house.. >Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise. >Chandrashekhar. > > kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] > Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar. > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Applying this principle, will Jupiter >and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in >lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord? > > Best Wishes, > > Kanupriya. > > >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" > >vedic astrology > > > >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying >the house it and Saturn Protects// > >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time) > > > >Dear Pradeep, > >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in >their > >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living > >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with > >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to > >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than > >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got > >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn > >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati. > >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to >protect. > >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal > >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions. > >Chandrashekhar. > > > >---- > > > >vedic astrology > >Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the >house > >it and Saturn Protects// > > > >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members. > > > >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in > >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in > >which > >it is placed and Saturn Protects. > > > >Here I have some queries. > > > >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and > >harm > >or destroy. > > > >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) - > >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad > >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if > >saturn > >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above > >statement > >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this > >'negative-negative' is wrong. > > > >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test > >the > >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard > >as > >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can > >combat > >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and > >other > >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right? > > > >But why is it trying to destroy? > > > >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come > >into > >play while deciding on this? > > > >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of > >which > >it > >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful. > > > >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about > >jupiter placed in ascendant. > > > >Thanks a lot > >Pradeep > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- >-- > Access Hotmail from your mobile now. > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release 8/19/03 MSN Hotmail now on your Mobile phone. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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