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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Applying this principle, will Jupiter and

Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in lagna

itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord?

Best Wishes,

Kanupriya.

>"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

>vedic astrology >

>Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the

house it and Saturn Protects// >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India

Standard Time) > >Dear Pradeep, >Certain principles are given by the sages and

are found to be true in their >application. Having said that, have you observed

that the children living >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is

what happens with >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants

to go to >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often

than >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got

>defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn >usually

sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati. >About Saturn

being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to protect. >He protects

one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal >opinions and

other worthies might have different opinions. >Chandrashekhar. >

>---- > >vedic astrology >Date:

Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM >vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house

>it and Saturn Protects// > >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members. > >I

have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in >discussions,that

Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in >which >it is placed and

Saturn Protects. > >Here I have some queries. > >What is the reason for a

benevolent planet like jupiter to try and >harm >or destroy. > >Also i have

read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) - >because ,saturn by

nature is bad and hence bad and bad >(negative,negative results in positive)

should bring good. But if >saturn >can protect all the houses where it is

placed ,then the above >statement >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my

understanding of this >'negative-negative' is wrong. > >When i try to

understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test >the >individual always

on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard >as >well at times. Why is

this? Is it because such an individual can >combat >the tests and hardships,as

jupiter gives him lots of patience and >other >mental strengths or more concern

for others? Am i right? > >But why is it trying to destroy? > >Also doesn't

other considerations like strength,position etc come >into >play while deciding

on this? > >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

>which >it >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful. > >Moreover i

can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about >jupiter placed in

ascendant. > >Thanks a lot >Pradeep > > > > Sponsor > > >

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Dear Kanupriya,

All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and overriders

given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord of the 2nd

would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso owning 11th a

lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord of a Dusthana.

Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his Dasha.

Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny and

some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing justice.

Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however his Dashas

would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square he gives

benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some form of

selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the person would

be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to protect the

house..

Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise.

Chandrashekhar.

kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent:

Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re:

[vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Applying this principle, will Jupiter and

Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in lagna

itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord?

Best Wishes,

Kanupriya.

>"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

>vedic astrology >

>Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the

house it and Saturn Protects// >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India

Standard Time) > >Dear Pradeep, >Certain principles are given by the sages and

are found to be true in their >application. Having said that, have you observed

that the children living >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is

what happens with >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants

to go to >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often

than >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got

>defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn >usually

sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati. >About Saturn

being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to protect. >He protects

one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal >opinions and

other worthies might have different opinions. >Chandrashekhar. >

>---- > >vedic astrology >Date:

Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM >vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the house

>it and Saturn Protects// > >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members. > >I

have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in >discussions,that

Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in >which >it is placed and

Saturn Protects. > >Here I have some queries. > >What is the reason for a

benevolent planet like jupiter to try and >harm >or destroy. > >Also i have

read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) - >because ,saturn by

nature is bad and hence bad and bad >(negative,negative results in positive)

should bring good. But if >saturn >can protect all the houses where it is

placed ,then the above >statement >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my

understanding of this >'negative-negative' is wrong. > >When i try to

understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test >the >individual always

on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard >as >well at times. Why is

this? Is it because such an individual can >combat >the tests and hardships,as

jupiter gives him lots of patience and >other >mental strengths or more concern

for others? Am i right? > >But why is it trying to destroy? > >Also doesn't

other considerations like strength,position etc come >into >play while deciding

on this? > >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

>which >it >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful. > >Moreover i

can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about >jupiter placed in

ascendant. > >Thanks a lot >Pradeep > > > > Sponsor > > >

> > >Group info:

vedic astrology/info.html > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology- > >........ May Jupiter's light

shine on us ....... > >>

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thankyou again for your response.The

interesting combination is that Saturn is also the Istha devta and Jupiter is

Ak.Will that change the role during dasa's to be more maraka in terms that the

native will be forced to learn the lessons which the soul must learn rather

than just signifying a hard time for the lagna? Could this also indicate that

in some ways Sautrn and Jupiter will work together?One being Ak and the other

Ishtha?Saturn is placed in the 5th house, is rahu also considerd for paka

lagna?

Thanking you,

Kanupriya.

>"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

>vedic astrology

>

>RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:28:40 +0530

>

>Dear Kanupriya,

>All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and

>overriders given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord

>of the 2nd would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso

>owning 11th a lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord

>of a Dusthana. Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his

>Dasha.

>Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny

>and some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing

>justice. Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however

>his Dashas would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square

>he gives benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some

>form of selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the

>person would be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to

>protect the house..

>Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise.

>Chandrashekhar.

>

> kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]

> Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> Applying this principle, will Jupiter

>and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in

>lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord?

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Kanupriya.

>

> >"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

> >vedic astrology

> >

> >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying

>the house it and Saturn Protects//

> >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time)

> >

> >Dear Pradeep,

> >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in

>their

> >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living

> >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with

> >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to

> >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than

> >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got

> >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn

> >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati.

> >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to

>protect.

> >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal

> >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions.

> >Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >----

> >

> >vedic astrology

> >Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the

>house

> >it and Saturn Protects//

> >

> >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.

> >

> >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in

> >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in

> >which

> >it is placed and Saturn Protects.

> >

> >Here I have some queries.

> >

> >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and

> >harm

> >or destroy.

> >

> >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) -

> >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad

> >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if

> >saturn

> >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above

> >statement

> >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this

> >'negative-negative' is wrong.

> >

> >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test

> >the

> >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard

> >as

> >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can

> >combat

> >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and

> >other

> >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right?

> >

> >But why is it trying to destroy?

> >

> >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come

> >into

> >play while deciding on this?

> >

> >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

> >which

> >it

> >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful.

> >

> >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about

> >jupiter placed in ascendant.

> >

> >Thanks a lot

> >Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Dear Kanupriya,

My personal opinion is that one should normally follow the regular Lagna/

navamsha system . The reason is that even now complete material about effects

of Karakas and Arudhas are not fully understood. I know this is not a popular

thinking, but Parashara says that "Similar results should also be seen from

Arudha" . Again when talking about results of 4th and 5th from Karakamsha

Jaimini says "Bhagye chaivam" meaning"Similar results should be told from the

2nd house".

 

Having said that, is not it true that Atmakaraka's dasha generally not good?

 

About hard time being read as the lessons learned by soul, let me give my

opinion. For those who understand the axiom, they are not disturbed by either

Hard time of Good time. These are the one's whom the Lord Krishna calls Yogi or

Sthitapradnya. I look at soul from the view point of what has been said by the

Lord in Bhagvadgita, that he is not affected by anything.

 

"Nainan Chindanti shastrNI.....Na shoshaiyati marut".

 

Therefore the analogy of lessons being taught to the soul does not apeal to

me.However this is my personal opinion.Other worthies might hold a different

definition of soul.

 

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent:

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:12 PMvedic astrologySubject:

RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thankyou again for your response.The

interesting combination is that Saturn is also the Istha devta and Jupiter is

Ak.Will that change the role during dasa's to be more maraka in terms that the

native will be forced to learn the lessons which the soul must learn rather

than just signifying a hard time for the lagna? Could this also indicate that

in some ways Sautrn and Jupiter will work together?One being Ak and the other

Ishtha?Saturn is placed in the 5th house, is rahu also considerd for paka

lagna?

Thanking you,

Kanupriya.

>"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

>vedic astrology

>

>RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:28:40 +0530

>

>Dear Kanupriya,

>All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and

>overriders given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord

>of the 2nd would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso

>owning 11th a lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord

>of a Dusthana. Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his

>Dasha.

>Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny

>and some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing

>justice. Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however

>his Dashas would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square

>he gives benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some

>form of selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the

>person would be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to

>protect the house..

>Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise.

>Chandrashekhar.

>

> kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]

> Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> Applying this principle, will Jupiter

>and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in

>lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord?

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Kanupriya.

>

> >"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

> >vedic astrology

> >

> >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying

>the house it and Saturn Protects//

> >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time)

> >

> >Dear Pradeep,

> >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in

>their

> >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living

> >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with

> >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to

> >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than

> >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got

> >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn

> >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati.

> >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to

>protect.

> >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal

> >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions.

> >Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >----

> >

> >vedic astrology

> >Monday, August 25, 2003 08:17:02 PM

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the

>house

> >it and Saturn Protects//

> >

> >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.

> >

> >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in

> >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in

> >which

> >it is placed and Saturn Protects.

> >

> >Here I have some queries.

> >

> >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and

> >harm

> >or destroy.

> >

> >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) -

> >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad

> >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if

> >saturn

> >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above

> >statement

> >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this

> >'negative-negative' is wrong.

> >

> >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test

> >the

> >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard

> >as

> >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can

> >combat

> >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and

> >other

> >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right?

> >

> >But why is it trying to destroy?

> >

> >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come

> >into

> >play while deciding on this?

> >

> >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

> >which

> >it

> >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful.

> >

> >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about

> >jupiter placed in ascendant.

> >

> >Thanks a lot

> >Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

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Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

 

Forgive my intrusion and I certainly do not profess to be learned. We all agree

that the soul is unaffected but how many of us have really learnt our true

identity as Atma. Most of us, including me, identify only with the body. This

is the root cause of all miseries. When the supreme Lord says, that the soul is

really not affected, that truly applies but the disaffection is only understood

by someone who has realized that his true identity is the soul. But

unfortunately we are on the material platform and through the mind and senses

identify with this rotting body and consequently we suffer.

 

A good example that comes to mind of a realized soul and reaction to an apparent

material calamity was of Srila Prabhupada. Once in NY, He received a letter from

India. The devotees here in the early 1970's were always excited to see anything

from India and were eager to know the contents.Srila Prabhupada opened the

letter and gave a smile and looking at the anxious faces and said that His

sister had passed away. But He was happy because she would be serving Krishna

in Goloka Vrndavana. So this is a case where the living entity has competely

realized His true identity and could only see the soul within His sisters

body.If the same circumstances had happened to any of us, even with all our

knowledge, we will be lamenting the loss.

 

In conclusion in my opinion the Dasa of the Atmakaraka is never a pain *IF* one

has truly realized his/her identity as the soul and moves toward the Supreme.On

the other hand for the rest of us who are totally on the bodily platform, the

atmakaraka teaches us lessons and makes us realize that we are infact an ATMA

and NOT this body.

 

Hare Krishna

 

SudharsanChandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Kanupriya,

My personal opinion is that one should normally follow the regular Lagna/

navamsha system . The reason is that even now complete material about effects

of Karakas and Arudhas are not fully understood. I know this is not a popular

thinking, but Parashara says that "Similar results should also be seen from

Arudha" . Again when talking about results of 4th and 5th from Karakamsha

Jaimini says "Bhagye chaivam" meaning"Similar results should be told from the

2nd house".

 

Having said that, is not it true that Atmakaraka's dasha generally not good?

 

About hard time being read as the lessons learned by soul, let me give my

opinion. For those who understand the axiom, they are not disturbed by either

Hard time of Good time. These are the one's whom the Lord Krishna calls Yogi or

Sthitapradnya. I look at soul from the view point of what has been said by the

Lord in Bhagvadgita, that he is not affected by anything.

 

"Nainan Chindanti shastrNI.....Na shoshaiyati marut".

 

Therefore the analogy of lessons being taught to the soul does not apeal to

me.However this is my personal opinion.Other worthies might hold a different

definition of soul.

 

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent:

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:12 PMvedic astrologySubject:

RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thankyou again for your response.The

interesting combination is that Saturn is also the Istha devta and Jupiter is

Ak.Will that change the role during dasa's to be more maraka in terms that the

native will be forced to learn the lessons which the soul must learn rather

than just signifying a hard time for the lagna? Could this also indicate that

in some ways Sautrn and Jupiter will work together?One being Ak and the other

Ishtha?Saturn is placed in the 5th house, is rahu also considerd for paka

lagna?

Thanking you,

Kanupriya.

>"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

>vedic astrology

>

>RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:28:40 +0530

>

>Dear Kanupriya,

>All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and

>overriders given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord

>of the 2nd would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso

>owning 11th a lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord

>of a Dusthana. Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his

>Dasha.

>Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny

>and some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing

>justice. Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however

>his Dashas would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square

>he gives benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some

>form of selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the

>person would be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to

>protect the house..

>Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise.

>Chandrashekhar.

>

> kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]

> Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> Applying this principle, will Jupiter

>and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in

>lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord?

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Kanupriya.

>

> >"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

> >vedic astrology

> >

> >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying

>the house it and Saturn Protects//

> >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time)

> >

> >Dear Pradeep,

> >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in

>their

> >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living

> >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with

> >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to

> >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than

> >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got

> >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn

> >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati.

> >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to

>protect.

> >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal

> >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions.

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> >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the

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> >it and Saturn Protects//

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> >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.

> >

> >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in

> >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in

> >which

> >it is placed and Saturn Protects.

> >

> >Here I have some queries.

> >

> >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and

> >harm

> >or destroy.

> >

> >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) -

> >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad

> >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if

> >saturn

> >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above

> >statement

> >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this

> >'negative-negative' is wrong.

> >

> >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test

> >the

> >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard

> >as

> >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can

> >combat

> >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and

> >other

> >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right?

> >

> >But why is it trying to destroy?

> >

> >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come

> >into

> >play while deciding on this?

> >

> >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

> >which

> >it

> >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful.

> >

> >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about

> >jupiter placed in ascendant.

> >

> >Thanks a lot

> >Pradeep

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Dear Sudharsanji

I do not think there is much of a difference between what you and me have

said,in the mater of Atma learning a lesson. Astrological texts say that Dasa

of Mahadasa is not good. Teaching one a lesson or otherwise is the

interpretation put on it by others to explain the concept. I was commenting

about whether Soul(Atma) can be taught.I think not. Mind could be taught. My

comment was in respect of this anamoly, and the fact that not everybody learns

the lesson. About dasa of Atmakaraka making us realise that "We are the Atma

and not the Body", I must agree to disagree. Almost every body is likely to

experience the period of Dasa of Atmakaraka, if with sufficient longevity. But

one does not find an equal number having realised that""We are the Atma and not

the Body".

About the Yogi the Lord says that he is neither Happy nor unhappy

(Sthitapradnya).He also elaborates by stating that knowing ,to which loka one

goes after death, when one dies in Uttrayana and which if in dakshinayana, the

yogi is not affected by the Ayana in which his end comes.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sudharsan Srinivasan

[sudhar108 ]Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:05 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter

capable-Chandrashekhar.

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

 

Forgive my intrusion and I certainly do not profess to be learned. We all agree

that the soul is unaffected but how many of us have really learnt our true

identity as Atma. Most of us, including me, identify only with the body. This

is the root cause of all miseries. When the supreme Lord says, that the soul is

really not affected, that truly applies but the disaffection is only understood

by someone who has realized that his true identity is the soul. But

unfortunately we are on the material platform and through the mind and senses

identify with this rotting body and consequently we suffer.

 

A good example that comes to mind of a realized soul and reaction to an apparent

material calamity was of Srila Prabhupada. Once in NY, He received a letter from

India. The devotees here in the early 1970's were always excited to see anything

from India and were eager to know the contents.Srila Prabhupada opened the

letter and gave a smile and looking at the anxious faces and said that His

sister had passed away. But He was happy because she would be serving Krishna

in Goloka Vrndavana. So this is a case where the living entity has competely

realized His true identity and could only see the soul within His sisters

body.If the same circumstances had happened to any of us, even with all our

knowledge, we will be lamenting the loss.

 

In conclusion in my opinion the Dasa of the Atmakaraka is never a pain *IF* one

has truly realized his/her identity as the soul and moves toward the Supreme.On

the other hand for the rest of us who are totally on the bodily platform, the

atmakaraka teaches us lessons and makes us realize that we are infact an ATMA

and NOT this body.

 

Hare Krishna

 

SudharsanChandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Kanupriya,

My personal opinion is that one should normally follow the regular Lagna/

navamsha system . The reason is that even now complete material about effects

of Karakas and Arudhas are not fully understood. I know this is not a popular

thinking, but Parashara says that "Similar results should also be seen from

Arudha" . Again when talking about results of 4th and 5th from Karakamsha

Jaimini says "Bhagye chaivam" meaning"Similar results should be told from the

2nd house".

 

Having said that, is not it true that Atmakaraka's dasha generally not good?

 

About hard time being read as the lessons learned by soul, let me give my

opinion. For those who understand the axiom, they are not disturbed by either

Hard time of Good time. These are the one's whom the Lord Krishna calls Yogi or

Sthitapradnya. I look at soul from the view point of what has been said by the

Lord in Bhagvadgita, that he is not affected by anything.

 

"Nainan Chindanti shastrNI.....Na shoshaiyati marut".

 

Therefore the analogy of lessons being taught to the soul does not apeal to

me.However this is my personal opinion.Other worthies might hold a different

definition of soul.

 

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent:

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:12 PMvedic astrologySubject:

RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thankyou again for your response.The

interesting combination is that Saturn is also the Istha devta and Jupiter is

Ak.Will that change the role during dasa's to be more maraka in terms that the

native will be forced to learn the lessons which the soul must learn rather

than just signifying a hard time for the lagna? Could this also indicate that

in some ways Sautrn and Jupiter will work together?One being Ak and the other

Ishtha?Saturn is placed in the 5th house, is rahu also considerd for paka

lagna?

Thanking you,

Kanupriya.

>"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

>vedic astrology

>

>RE: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:28:40 +0530

>

>Dear Kanupriya,

>All the rules have to be applied subject to special conditions and

>overriders given in the texts. However for Kumbha Lagna Jupiter being Lord

>of the 2nd would be a more powerful Maraka owning Maraka house and laso

>owning 11th a lesser Maraka place, than Saturn who is lord of the 12th lord

>of a Dusthana. Saturn would still not give good results in 2nd half of his

>Dasha.

>Jupiter in Lagna here would normally give some problems in matter of progeny

>and some of the decisions are likely taken from a false sense of doing

>justice. Saturn in Lagna here would , no doubt cause shasha yoga, however

>his Dashas would not be very good as being Lord of Malefic and owning square

>he gives benefic results unless placed in the house owned by himself. Some

>form of selfdenial, taken to extreme could be seen, at the same time the

>person would be deeply philosophical, as Saturn by his very nature try to

>protect the house..

>Of course this is my poinion and other worthies might think otherwise.

>Chandrashekhar.

>

> kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]

> Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:49 AM

> vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Why is Jupiter capable-Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> Applying this principle, will Jupiter

>and Saturn both act as marakas for Kumbha Lagna, where Jupiter is placed in

>lagna itself? What about Saturn's role as a lagna lord?

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Kanupriya.

>

> >"Chandrashekhar Sharma"

> >vedic astrology

> >

> >Re: [vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying

>the house it and Saturn Protects//

> >Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:20 +0530 (India Standard Time)

> >

> >Dear Pradeep,

> >Certain principles are given by the sages and are found to be true in

>their

> >application. Having said that, have you observed that the children living

> >with highly intelligent parents rarely suceed? This is what happens with

> >Jupiter placement in a house. You will also not ,if one wants to go to

> >Puranas that Deva's abode was attacked by the Daanaavas more often than

> >other way round, though Brihaspati resided there. Devas invariably got

> >defeated and had to be rescued by Mahadeva, Vishnu, Durga etc. Saturn

> >usually sided with the danavas and his samdharmi Rahu was their Senapati.

> >About Saturn being good in bad houses has to do with his ability to

>protect.

> >He protects one from bad indications of that house. These are my personal

> >opinions and other worthies might have different opinions.

> >Chandrashekhar.

> >

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> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Why is // Jupiter capable of destroying the

>house

> >it and Saturn Protects//

> >

> >Dear Chandrashekar ji and learned members.

> >

> >I have seen from the archives ,where you had participated in

> >discussions,that Jupiter has the capacity to destroy the bhava in

> >which

> >it is placed and Saturn Protects.

> >

> >Here I have some queries.

> >

> >What is the reason for a benevolent planet like jupiter to try and

> >harm

> >or destroy.

> >

> >Also i have read that saturn can be good in bad houses (6,8,12 etc) -

> >because ,saturn by nature is bad and hence bad and bad

> >(negative,negative results in positive) should bring good. But if

> >saturn

> >can protect all the houses where it is placed ,then the above

> >statement

> >loses ist significance.Pls correct if my understanding of this

> >'negative-negative' is wrong.

> >

> >When i try to understand the nature of jupiter - I feel it can test

> >the

> >individual always on the path of life,which can be painfull and hard

> >as

> >well at times. Why is this? Is it because such an individual can

> >combat

> >the tests and hardships,as jupiter gives him lots of patience and

> >other

> >mental strengths or more concern for others? Am i right?

> >

> >But why is it trying to destroy?

> >

> >Also doesn't other considerations like strength,position etc come

> >into

> >play while deciding on this?

> >

> >If you can explain the inherent nature of Jupiter, by virtue of

> >which

> >it

> >is trying to behave like this, it would be helpful.

> >

> >Moreover i can give input on my real experiences (good and bad) about

> >jupiter placed in ascendant.

> >

> >Thanks a lot

> >Pradeep

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