RE: Astrology is it Vedic ???????????? ( To all concerned)

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It's simply a trick they play and it appears devine to viewers.

If his faith is so strong then ask him to stand in the center of fire pit for

about 1 minute .

You have to take him on your shoulders.

Why donot you master the art of moving on fire , if it is due to Gods. Had it

been due to God's grace your servant would have become your master.

 

PC Sarkar the great magician has once made the whole Rajdhani Express disappear

before a crowd of people and Basu Chaterjee the chief minister of Bengal was

there to witness it. But PC Sarkar declares that these are arts and so does

many stage show artists. Magicians can show you coins coming out from your

pant. If they are so powerful then after every show why do they beg for money

before the crowd.

 

These are different types of tricks and nothing else.

 

Regards

 

Rajeev

Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Rajeev

Challenge must be more meaningful. One of my servants walks the fire every year

as a test of his FAITH of Sri Lingaraja & Bhuvaneshwari devi, the deitis of

Bhuvaneswar. Are you willing to walk this fire. It is a small pit - 4 feet

wide, 4 feet deep and about 30 feet long. Wood charcoal shall be burning at the

bottom of the pit and the fire shall be about 12-15 feet high. The condition is

simple - not a single hair must be burnt. Are you accepting this challenge. If

you lose, you must give up all this tirade against hinduism and must live in

Bhubaneswar (welcome to the land of the faithful ones) and practise your

sadhana. This event takes place every year and is attended by many people. Can

you pass this test of SHIVA? Do you have the faith and internal strength? if

not know that your words are borne out of passion and are like poison for your

own atma.Best Regards,Sanjay Rathhttp://srath.com

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Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:51 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology is it Vedic ???????????? ( To all concerned)

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Namaste Rajeev,> If Astrologers say that they have

control over the celestial bodies than if two persons one believer of

astrology(like you) and other nonbeliever like me walk bare footed on the

heated sands of Rajasthan in the month of May or June during day time(1.00 PM

to 3.00PM) when the summer is at its peak. At that time if your feet are not

burnt( because sun is in your(astrologers control )and only my feet are burnt

then I will accept whatever you say, otherwise accept what I am

saying.>ASTROLOGERS DO NOT CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE CELESTIAL

BODIES. THAT IS THE CENTRAL PRINCIPLE PRACTICED ON THIS FORUM. AS TANVIR SAID,

I WILL JOIN YOU IN CALLING ANY ASTROLOGER, WHO MAKES SUCH A CLAIM, AS

FRAUD.SIR, YOU ARE EXTRAPOLATING AGAIN. YOU HAVE NOT MADE A SINGLE ATTEMPT TO

GO THROUGH THE ARCHIVES AND SEE THE WORK DONE BY THE GURUS IN SOLVING THE

COMMON MAN'S PROBLEMS. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE PROVOCATIVE STATEMENTS LIKE THIS. WE

ARE WORKING HARD TO RESTORE THE GLORY OF INDIA'S ANCIENT AND RICH SPIRITUAL

HERITAGE SO THAT THE FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL BE BENEFITED. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE

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AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear members,

 

i read one of the mails of Rajeev kumar wherein he had stated that planetary

movements were used to find directions and measure time. Using his own

language, i am happy that Rajeev was able to obtain this knowledge by

worshipping the planets.

 

Any event is born in time, lives in time and dies in time. Time is determined

by the movement of planets. By worshipping further we would be able to explain

the quality of time and the shape of event that has to unfold.

 

Wherefrom Vedas spring? We understand that it is from the Almighty who is

omnipresent. This means that the Vedas are from within as the Almighty is also

called as Antaryami/indweller.

 

When we understand there is a well, what we try to do is to draw water from it.

If, by knowing there is no water in the well, i do not think that, anyone starts

using the well as a storage tank - i mean that we do not get water from outside

sources to pour water inside the well ! Let us pray to the Antaryami for

revelation.

 

What exactly is the problem? it is the problem of the AK/"I" .

 

" i know the planets are non living beings. i know there is no mention of

astrology in vedas. i know what is truth."

 

>From the above we understand the dominant nature of the "I" that is being projected.

 

What all these mean/ what is being projected? it is only the projection of AK/

"I".How to tackle this "I"? This is possible only through the Ishta

devatha(clue given by jyotisha shastras).

 

As i write this i understand that Moon is the Hora lord and he is placed in 12th

to AK who is Sun.( In the chart of Kaala purusha we find Moon exalted in Taurus

the natural 2nd house. The 2nd house deals with the Vedas). This Moon is

placed alongwith Mercury in Thula in Navamsa. Moon is placed in between

malefics in rasi chart. However the lagna is vargottama and the lagna lord is

Mercury. Shat trimsa sama dasa is applicable now. This Buda is associated with

Ak, Guru in Rasi and is subject to the aspect of Sani and Mars(curse). Taking

this as a clue i offer myself to the Lord Narasimha(avatar of SRIMAN NARAYANA)

to bless us all with gynana darshana/revelation.

 

"OM NAMO NARAYANAYA"

 

OM SHANTHI SHANTHIHI.

 

Best wishes,

 

Astrologically yours,

 

p.s.ramanarayanan.Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Om Gurave NamahDear Rajeev

Challenge must be more meaningful. One of my servants walks the fire every year

as a test of his FAITH of Sri Lingaraja & Bhuvaneshwari devi, the deitis of

Bhuvaneswar. Are you willing to walk this fire. It is a small pit - 4 feet

wide, 4 feet deep and about 30 feet long. Wood charcoal shall be burning at the

bottom of the pit and the fire shall be about 12-15 feet high. The condition is

simple - not a single hair must be burnt. Are you accepting this challenge. If

you lose, you must give up all this tirade against hinduism and must live in

Bhubaneswar (welcome to the land of the faithful ones) and practise your

sadhana. This event takes place every year and is attended by many people. Can

you pass this test of SHIVA? Do you have the faith and internal strength? if

not know that your words are borne out of passion and are like poison for your

own atma.Best Regards,Sanjay Rathhttp://srath.com

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Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:51 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology is it Vedic ???????????? ( To all concerned)

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Namaste Rajeev,> If Astrologers say that they have

control over the celestial bodies than if two persons one believer of

astrology(like you) and other nonbeliever like me walk bare footed on the

heated sands of Rajasthan in the month of May or June during day time(1.00 PM

to 3.00PM) when the summer is at its peak. At that time if your feet are not

burnt( because sun is in your(astrologers control )and only my feet are burnt

then I will accept whatever you say, otherwise accept what I am

saying.>ASTROLOGERS DO NOT CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE CELESTIAL

BODIES. THAT IS THE CENTRAL PRINCIPLE PRACTICED ON THIS FORUM. AS TANVIR SAID,

I WILL JOIN YOU IN CALLING ANY ASTROLOGER, WHO MAKES SUCH A CLAIM, AS

FRAUD.SIR, YOU ARE EXTRAPOLATING AGAIN. YOU HAVE NOT MADE A SINGLE ATTEMPT TO

GO THROUGH THE ARCHIVES AND SEE THE WORK DONE BY THE GURUS IN SOLVING THE

COMMON MAN'S PROBLEMS. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE PROVOCATIVE STATEMENTS LIKE THIS. WE

ARE WORKING HARD TO RESTORE THE GLORY OF INDIA'S ANCIENT AND RICH SPIRITUAL

HERITAGE SO THAT THE FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL BE BENEFITED. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE

WHAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO, PLEASE TAKE YOUR TRUTHS, EXPERIENCES AND

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I pray to God for the well being of your mother. May she get well soon.

 

I am not answering as this is not the right time because of the urgency on your side.

We can discuss it later.

 

Regards

 

Rajeevamolmandar <amolmandar > wrote:

Dear Rajeev Namaste[some clarification from my side. I am litle bit late in my

response as my mother is seriously ill and I had to take her to doctors. So

yesterday I did not get time to start my computer.]Back to thethread....It was

simple common sense. Commonly it is found that object with a retarding speed

stops sooner. Why to make your life complex by thinking about remote control

and all?Any way coming to the point. Remember I am talking about Astrology is

vedic or not. God and its existence in uni or multiform is a big question and

many may not like we disscussing it. So lets restrict ourselves to Astrology is

vedic or not. Is it Truth or not is another question and Gurus and learned

members like Hariji are taking care of it. My point is Astrology as Vedic

astrology. To me to prove this, we should

follow this simple path. 1) What is the basic principle of Astrology?2) What are

Vedas?3) Is answer to first question found/supported in Vedas?4) If asnswer to

third question is yes, conclude Astrology as vedic else otherwise.5) Stop and

do next activity.This is what is my algorithm. Since you said you are not aware

of Astrology I asume that you have no answer to first question. You have agreed

on answer to 2nd question.As I told you earlier, Many say that "Celestial

Bodies Affect Our Life"(CBAOL) is the basic principle of Astrology. Now saying

that it affects only 0.1% and 20% or 100% is individual choice but Vedas feel

that these celestial bodies affect us substantialy and are capable of providing

us Sukha and Shanti. That is why there is separate Anupak in the Athrvaveda on

this as to how they affect and therefore Vedas try to please these celestial

bodies by worshiping them and reciting richas meant for

them. Worshiping is feeling of profound love and admiration. When done in

religious fashion, the expression of that becomes ritual.Veads are primarily

religious granthas;upon rationalization they can be book of Chemistry to modern

day computer sciences as well!. So whatever is given or stated in Vedas must be

seen in the context of religion and spiritually.Every religion has its own way

of worshipping. It is as well belived that whatever is ritually correct is

ethically right. As far as Hindus are concerned there are many ways of

performing worship and hence rituals. The common part of all the rituals is

chanting the Mantras in the praise of the God and offering Abhishek and

Prasada. Afetr doing this the richas say that the God/Celestial bodies should

bring joy and happiness to us. This clearly indicates that vedas belive that

these celestial bodies are capable of affecting our life to the extent that

they can

give us joy and happiness. Vedas do not quantify the amount by which they Affect

our life. This means that Vedas belive in CMAOL. Once answer to first question

is given and there acceptence by Vedas is confirmed we can say that our

Astrology is Vedic Astrology. Hence the name Vedic AStrology. Since vedas

belive in CBAOL, later on rishis found out how exactly they affect our life and

with the help of there clair intelligence they developed this as a complete

science. But since the basis was given by Vedas it is called as Vedic

Astrology. So to see the exact effect rishis have to study their(CB) speed and

movement and their other physical attributs. Then rishis found out the

combination of these celestial bodies that gives the most happiness and joy.

RIshis called it as Muhurta;auspicious time.( As the fourth dimension Time is

out of CBs movements only.) Later they categorised these auspicious time

(Muhurta) on the basis of

activity to be performed. Hence developed the Muhurta Shashtra. That is how this

science evolved and is still evolving. The Gurus like Sanjay RAth ji , PVR ji

,Chandrashekhar ji,Ramdas RAo ji,Sarajit ji and many other who are not found on

this list are as well constantly doing this. Now your worshipping of

Peta(stomach) 'peta pooja'. As I told you earlier, pooja means to Hindus

pacifying God by offering Abhishek and Prasad. Here Peta (stomach) is consider

as God in a lighter sense and hence Abhishek and prasad of this stomach god

will mean putting some food (Anna) in the stomach. The effect will be that

stomach will be pacified and will not feel hungry and hence will be happy and

joyous. SO when we feel hungry,the 'stomach GOd' requires pacification and

hence peta pooja. That is the reason we say 'Anna he poorna brahmha!'.Read the

richas that I gave you and interpret it yourself to get the understanding. As I

told

you in earlier mails, over rationalization leads to intelligence excess. More

over interpretation is done on the words used in the shlokas and their

associated meaning. Meaning of a word is not attaching your logic to the word.

In that case words may loose their universality. For your information Delhi and

Lahore are not in opposite direction. Delhi is in North of India and Lahore is

as well in North of United India. Had Lahore been anywhere other than North we

would have said that Delhi and Lahore are in opposite directions. I again say

dont do excess of intelligence. What ever is simple try to understand it as

simple. Because most of the complex problems in the world have simple

solutions!.Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.AmolMandar.--- In

vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar <satpath1> wrote:> > Namaste

AmolMandar Ji,> > I had given the

tests of truth before starting this discussion, I have not deviated from them. >

> The logic you gave does not qualify here. Because here the object you are

considering coming at a retarding speed is from a living being (which is out

of your control) and can change its speed at his own will. Applying this logic

on a car whose remote control is in your hand , then only this logic qualifies.

Therefore the capability of the object changing its speed at will is not taken

into consideration by you . > > You have exaggerated the example I gave ,to

Lahore ,and tried to sideline the main issue. But even here only a person with

no knowledge of direction, in which the train is moving and geography of Lahore

and Delhi can derive the meaning "has not the train reached Lahore' from "has

delhi come". Because when somebody says in a train that "has Delhi come" he is

giving an indication of direction of train in

which it is moving. Delhi and Lahore are in opposite direction. > > Okay now

lets tell me what you think of sun, moon, stars etc. are they living beings or

non living beings ????> > What does the worship of the sun, moon etc. mean to

you ????> > What is the meaning of phrase "lets do some `Pate(stomach) pooja' "

used very commonly even in TV ads. ????> > Is there one God or more Gods ????> >

> > If Astrologers say that they have control over the celestial bodies than if

two persons one believer of astrology(like you) and other nonbeliever like me

walk bare footed on the heated sands of Rajasthan in the month of May or June

during day time(1.00 PM to 3.00PM) when the summer is at its peak. At that time

if your feet are not burnt( because sun is in your(astrologers control )and only

my feet are burnt then I will accept whatever you say, otherwise accept what I

am

saying.> > Now answering your last question , I am member at other forums also

and at one of the forum other than this, Astrology is the topic. So some of the

mails I found useful to share with them ,I shared. Wherever I get anything

useful for me or others I share, like here I shared some of the links of one

web site in my previous mails.> > I used tests of truth to check my statements

and of others as well to test the truthfulness. I had used the translation

given by you but did the interpretation based upon my experience and knowledge.

I am not taking the help of anybody except truth. > > But whether somebody is

guiding me or not, how does it affects when you consider yourself truthful

????> > Regards> > Rajeev> > > amolmandar <amolmandar> wrote:Daer Rajeev

Namste> > You are deviating like a Sarpa. Lets follow your

way.> > See, how does it matter whether I have static or dymamic > intelligence

so far as I am correct! I dont know what does it mean > as static and dynamic

intelligence but I applied common sense to > arrive at conclusion. When you see

a object coming towards you in a > retarding speed, you can conclude without

much knowledge of physics > and astrology that the object will stop sooner than

later. As simple > as that. So applying common sense is static intelligence then

its ok > to me.> > You have given the example of 'has Delhi come'? It means has

the > train reached Delhi? and not has the train reached Lahore! By > streach

of imagination if some one says that(Now read carefully)> > "Delhi is Lahore

because ultimatly what is reaching to Delhi? It is > capturing Lahore! So when

we say 'has Delhi come' we must understand > the context (being

Indian) and the real meaning of Delhi. Then only > we will be true Indian. We

take Delhi as as Delhi then it would be > wrong. Only anti-Indian will take

Delhi as Delhi. The seeker of > Truth will always follow the path of true

nationalist. So one must > see the Truth. Dont give blind eye to the fact that

Delhi is Lahore. > Today your inaction and acceptence of Delhi as Delhi will

make in > India slave. So be awakened and make everyone realize the truth. >

Dont go by the word 'Delhi' but try to understand the sentiments > attached

with that word. There are many who have lost their > everything for the word

'Delhi'. Were they all fools? No. They were > real patriots. Dictionary can

help somebody to understand the > meaning of a word , but it requires vision

to understand the real > meaning of a phrase , fools use only the literal

meaning however > everywhere.

Dont follow dictionary but see the sentiments. My dear > fellow countrymen....

Listen what I say. Look USA, UK ,and other > countries and India. They are

Nuclear powers. So are we. Till > Indians followed the false concept as Delhi

as Delhi Indians were > suppressed by many invaders and Delhi was separeted

from Lahore. > Indians were themselves robbed of their independence and reduced

to > the condition of a subject race,raped , converted to verious > religions,

suffer in a hundred different way like the donkey of the > potter because they

belive in Delhi as Delhi and Lahore as Lahore. > But taking Delhi as Lahore,

like I explained now, One day India will > be considered as a powerful Nation.

This is the meaning of Sukha > and shanti. We will be happy (Sukha) only if we

consider Delhi as > Lahore and there will all be Peace (Shanti) if we belive

that Delhi

> is Lahore. So remember my dear fellow countrymen. Delhi is Lahore. > Delhi is

Sukha and Dlehi is Shanti to us. This is the Truth. It's a > proven fact that

Truth always wins so we will win. Acquiring of true > knowledge(delhi is

Lahore), and following it leads one towards sukha > and shanti what's wrong in

saying it ? It is written in vedas. I am > giving you the truth and nothing but

truth. I have used real > translation and the meanings I gave are in line with

the Vedas(true > knowledge), the meanings I gave are universal in nature, not

limited > by time and place. We are universal. Vedas are universal. Delhi is >

Universal. Every Indian is universal. " etc. etc..> > Who can argue on this

argument? No one. Because who makes this > argument is so firm in his belief

and faith (that Delhi is Lahore) > that he never realizes that it is

intelletual excess. In

other words > Vaicharik Atirek. An intellectual extremest. > > Just a small

doubt. Are you sending our communication to a third > person and he/she is

guiding you as to what to write and how are we> (You two) correct? Just a

doubt.> > Thnaks a lot for your Time and Space.> > AmolMandar> > > --- In

vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar <satpath1> > wrote:> > > >

Namaste AmolMandar Ji,> > > > Amol Ji You wrote :> > "I knew that you would

reject but I never thought that you would > do it in this fashion. "> > > >

Rajeev's Reply :> > > > Before my answering you, it was known to you that what

my reply > would be, that's why you have not analysed my reply properly and >

thus raising such funny objections. Now tell me how did you know > what my

reply would

be ? , is it because of the Astrological > studies. If you say no, then what it

ultimately proves is that you > have a static intellect. A static intellect is

when predetermination > takes the place of honest inquiry and truth is

suppressed.> > > > If you say that through Astrology you knew it then even that

is > doubtful as no where I have given you my birth chart details. > > > > > >

Amol Ji You wrote :> > > > > > "In that case they should have written 'I learn'

instead I > worship. Universally worship means pooja and Learning means Abyasa.

> See the words used for indicating worship in the sloka.Does that > mean

Learning? No. It does not mean by any chance learning. WHat > ever you have

done is pure rationlization of the shloka. If you see > the actual word used in

the shlokas then you will understand. It is > your

interpretation that worship means learning but not supoorted by > Sanskrit or

English dictionary. "> > > > Rajeev's Reply :> > > > In order to understand the

true meanings of a passage we have to > judge the context, capability of the

subjects etc.,only then the > true meaning of that passage can be understood .

Like for e.g if > somebody says that parrots(birds) are flying, then those who

already > know about parrot's flying capability, immediately know that parrots

> are flying. > > > > But if I say that `Tony' is flying. Then those who know

that Tony > is a man would at once know that its not Tony who is flying but the

> Airplane he is using is flying and Tony is in plane. Now Tony may be > the

name of a Dog to others and soon.> > > > Similarly when sitting in a train we

say to somebody that, has >

Delhi come ?. Then indirectly what we are asking is, has the train > reached

Delhi ?.> > > > Since the Delhi is the name of a place and that place does not

> have the capacity to move so saying , has Delhi come ? means nothing > but,

have we reached Delhi ?> > > > Same thing has happened here, Worship of non

living beings is what > we had written. What is worship ? its nothing but

knowing , > attaining the thing to be worshipped in its true form. Now how you

> will know the thing to be worshipped it is only through learning the >

attributes of that thing and making use of those attributes for the > benefit

of self and man kind. So the meaning of worship what we have > done is right.>

> > > Amol Ji You wrote :> > > > Is there any reference of elicpse in the

richa? Whithout any > reference why are you assuming they

were refering to solar eclipse > and moon tides? In that case it can mean

anything under the Sun! > Like collision of Stars or blak hole formation. Is it

not?. But we > should see the richa and then decide. You are not applying

correct > logic to understand the richa. > > > > > > Rajeev's Reply :> > > > In

the example I gave above even the passenger has not said that > Delhi is

stationary and train is moving. So what it proves that in > order to understand

it is not the literal meaning of the words but > the context, capability of the

subject etc. which decides the > meaning.> > > > Also many times when we say

that lets do the `Pate(stomach) > pooja'. So even here by word pooja we are

saying that lets eat > something. So here Pooja means eating also.> > > >

Dictionary can help somebody to understand the meaning of a word

, > but it requires vision to understand the real meaning of a > phrase ,

fools use only the literal meaning however everywhere. > > > > Amol Ji You

wrote :> > > > > > See what has happened, you are analysing my interpretation

but not > why i translated that richa in that fashion. Dont try to make me >

understand what my translation means. If I can translate it then I > know what

it means.Try to see whether translation is correct or not. > If it is so then

you will understand the words used are intentional. > Had it not so I would

have used the word 'Learn' instead 'Worship'. > Once you do that then follow

the dictionary to know what worship > means. So remove your bias and try to see

the world. On one side you > say "God is biasless so we should try to become"

but does not follow > it. Very funny! > > >

> > > Rajeev's Reply :> > > > Had you understood the meanings I gave, you would

not have raised > the foolish objections.> > > > Amol Ji You wrote :> > > > Now

you are confused yourself. You say "We are able to see stars > in night time and

thats what there becoming powerful by chandrama > implies.During day due to sun

light we are not able to see them." > This statement one can make only because

of lack of porper knowledge > or bias or confusion. You have right now all

three qualities. Read > agin I am sure you will realize what have you said.

Look at the > words used in richa and decide. This you could have said without

I > producing any proof. Since you are not talking about proof rather it > is

predetermined thought process getting expressed. > > > > Rajeev's Reply :> > >

> By now I hope you

might have known who is confused , biased and > have static intellect. > > > >

Similar objections have been raised by you in other parts so I am > not

answering those parts as I consider them already answered. If > anything is

left then let me know and I will answer them.> > > > > > Amol Ji You wrote :> >

> > Here you are sounding like a God unwantedly. Who are you to decide > what

and how Sukha shanti is obtained? There is a good and simple > way of

understanding these words. But you will try to see what is > not present in

it.> > > > Rajeev's answer :> > > > Even here what we have written is

practical, look USA, UK , other > countries and recently India are Nuclear

powers. Till Indians > followed the mythologies like astrology , Indians were

suppressed by > many invaders. Indians were themselves

robbed of their independence > and reduced to the condition of a subject

race,raped , converted to > verious religions, suffer in a hundred different

way like the donkey > of the potter. But worshipping the sun ,stars etc like we

explained > now India is considered as a powerful Nation. So the meaning of >

Sukha and shanti what we have taken is right. > > > > It's a proven fact that

Truth always wins. So acquiring of true > knowledge, and following it leads one

towards sukha and shanti > what's wrong in saying it ?> > > > Amol Ji You wrote

:> > > > That is why I asked do you know Sanskrit? When you do not know > >

Sanskrit then that adds up indirections. What has happned is > exactly that.

You have my translation rather than translating it > yourself. Read the

Sanskrit version again and examine the words used > and try to

come-up with your translation then you will understand > what is learning and

what is worshiping. > > > > Rajeev's reply :> > > > I have used your

translation and the meanings I gave are in line > with the Vedas(true

knowledge), the meanings I gave are universal in > nature, not limited by time

and place and proving loudly that Vedas > are universal for everybody.> > > >

Regards> > > > Rajeev> > > > > > > > > > Do

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