Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Dear Weiss-ji, A very interesting question indeed. I would love to hear what the Gurujis have to say on this. Namaste. Rageshwari. vedic astrology, "J. Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote: > Dear all, > > Several planets get the role of both yogakaraka as well as badhaka as (example: Mars for Leo lagna or Venus for Aquarius). > During the dasa of such planets a theoretical conflict is created (yogakaraka versus badhaka). > Of what I have seen so far the results of such planets are leaning more toward giving negative (badhaka) results rather positive (yogakaraka). > > Can any of the gurus be kind to explain how to evaluate such dasas and such situation in general ? > > With best regards > Jay Weiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Me too, For me being a taurus ascendant I used to be so happy to have Saturn as a yoga karka (9th and 10th Lord). And used to think naively that Shani will be a benefic for me in its transits. (this idea i had picked up from VKChoudhry Sytems based approach. Until I learned from the gurus on this list from the valuable archives and their books: my saturn is retrograde, bhadaka, atmakaraka and also I am going through sade sati of my moon nakshatra and lagna nakshatra. Maybe such planets as Jay is speaking of may be interpreted as follows: the bhadakesh-ness of a planet show obstacles that we must overcome and harsh lessons we must learn to be allowed to experience the yogakarka-ness benefits. Just my half cent Kasim >"rageshwari75" >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Re: Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:56:02 -0000 > >Dear Weiss-ji, > >A very interesting question indeed. I would love to hear what the >Gurujis have to say on this. > >Namaste. > >Rageshwari. > >vedic astrology, "J. Weiss" wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Several planets get the role of both yogakaraka as well as badhaka >as (example: Mars for Leo lagna or Venus for Aquarius). > > During the dasa of such planets a theoretical conflict is created >(yogakaraka versus badhaka). > > Of what I have seen so far the results of such planets are leaning >more toward giving negative (badhaka) results rather positive >(yogakaraka). > > > > Can any of the gurus be kind to explain how to evaluate such dasas >and such situation in general ? > > > > With best regards > > Jay Weiss > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dear Jay, Namaste. Firstly, the relative strength of the yogakaraka should be analysed, secondly the direction where its power flows should also be seen. Maharaja Pandu had a good Rajyoga, but he was unable to enjoy it because of his short longevity. So the Rajayoga flowed to his brother Dhritarashtra, who on the other hand acted as a Badhaka for his sons. So a Yogakaraka may give good results, but there may be some obstacle in enjoying it, and the native will be concerned with the obstacles rather than the good results. Also, any planet in the chart may be the badhaka of a cterain house, so in most of the cases, even if the Rajayoga is enjoyed by the native, someone else may experience some difficulty because of that. I think the Chara Karakas will have a lot to say here. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - J. Weiss vedic astrology Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:47 PM [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear all, Several planets get the role of both yogakaraka as well as badhaka as (example: Mars for Leo lagna or Venus for Aquarius). During the dasa of such planets a theoretical conflict is created (yogakaraka versus badhaka). Of what I have seen so far the results of such planets are leaning more toward giving negative (badhaka) results rather positive (yogakaraka). Can any of the gurus be kind to explain how to evaluate such dasas and such situation in general ? With best regards Jay Weiss Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dear Gauranga Das, Thanks for your reply. Are you implying that results of Rajayoga are "transferable" between family members ? Naturally you are correct about "any planet in the chart may be the badhaka of a certain house". Kind regards Jay Weiss - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Monday, May 12, 2003 3:00 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear Jay, Namaste. Firstly, the relative strength of the yogakaraka should be analysed, secondly the direction where its power flows should also be seen. Maharaja Pandu had a good Rajyoga, but he was unable to enjoy it because of his short longevity. So the Rajayoga flowed to his brother Dhritarashtra, who on the other hand acted as a Badhaka for his sons. So a Yogakaraka may give good results, but there may be some obstacle in enjoying it, and the native will be concerned with the obstacles rather than the good results. Also, any planet in the chart may be the badhaka of a cterain house, so in most of the cases, even if the Rajayoga is enjoyed by the native, someone else may experience some difficulty because of that. I think the Chara Karakas will have a lot to say here. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - J. Weiss vedic astrology Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:47 PM [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear all, Several planets get the role of both yogakaraka as well as badhaka as (example: Mars for Leo lagna or Venus for Aquarius). During the dasa of such planets a theoretical conflict is created (yogakaraka versus badhaka). Of what I have seen so far the results of such planets are leaning more toward giving negative (badhaka) results rather positive (yogakaraka). Can any of the gurus be kind to explain how to evaluate such dasas and such situation in general ? With best regards Jay Weiss Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Thank you for interesting posts. I don't know if it's corect or not to assume that if one planet rules 2houses, Cn, Le. Ta- is 'conditional Raya Yoga' status is to be granted. If say Saturn is placed in Marana Karaka Stana, therefore UNABLE to protect His houses, RY status is cancelled. Is that so? I am also curious to know more on RY 'transferability'- I have seen many family chart, where aspects, position, etc..are being repeated ih charts of family member- diferent pattern for different families- Why not from chart to chart- at least theorethically /I have problem accepting this on this level as well/ Regards, Anna "J. Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Gauranga Das, Thanks for your reply. Are you implying that results of Rajayoga are "transferable" between family members ? Naturally you are correct about "any planet in the chart may be the badhaka of a certain house". Kind regards Jay Weiss - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Monday, May 12, 2003 3:00 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear Jay, Namaste. Firstly, the relative strength of the yogakaraka should be analysed, secondly the direction where its power flows should also be seen. Maharaja Pandu had a good Rajyoga, but he was unable to enjoy it because of his short longevity. So the Rajayoga flowed to his brother Dhritarashtra, who on the other hand acted as a Badhaka for his sons. So a Yogakaraka may give good results, but there may be some obstacle in enjoying it, and the native will be concerned with the obstacles rather than the good results. Also, any planet in the chart may be the badhaka of a cterain house, so in most of the cases, even if the Rajayoga is enjoyed by the native, someone else may experience some difficulty because of that. I think the Chara Karakas will have a lot to say here. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - J. Weiss vedic astrology Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:47 PM [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear all, Several planets get the role of both yogakaraka as well as badhaka as (example: Mars for Leo lagna or Venus for Aquarius). During the dasa of such planets a theoretical conflict is created (yogakaraka versus badhaka). Of what I have seen so far the results of such planets are leaning more toward giving negative (badhaka) results rather positive (yogakaraka). Can any of the gurus be kind to explain how to evaluate such dasas and such situation in general ? With best regards Jay Weiss Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Anna, Namaste. - j.b vedic astrology Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:24 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear Jay, Gauranga, Thank you for interesting posts. I don't know if it's corect or not to assume that if one planet rules 2houses, Cn, Le. Ta- is 'conditional Raya Yoga' status is to be granted. If say Saturn is placed in Marana Karaka Stana, therefore UNABLE to protect His houses, RY status is cancelled. Is that so? Yes, I agree to that. I am also curious to know more on RY 'transferability'- I have seen many family chart, where aspects, position, etc..are being repeated ih charts of family member- diferent pattern for different families- Two hints on this: 1. Jaimini and Parashara also gives yogas involving Lagna, HL and GL. If a strong yogada links HL and GL but no connection to Ghati Lagna, then the power will be transferred to someone else, check the house and Karaka influenced the most. Here Naisargika Karak should be used. 2. With Viparita Rajayoga this also works. If the planets forming VRY are in trines or Kendras to Lagna but do not transfer their power to the lagna by aspect or conjunction, then the power arising is enjoyed by someone else. 3. (extra hint): Transferability of yogas (not only Rajayogas) should be checked on the basis of yogakarakas being chara karakas. If it is a chara karaka of a certain relative, check the same planet in his chart and see if RY is forming with it. Maybe one or two examples could clarify this principle. Please check. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Why not from chart to chart- at least theorethically /I have problem accepting this on this level as well/ Regards, Anna "J. Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Gauranga Das, Thanks for your reply. Are you implying that results of Rajayoga are "transferable" between family members ? Naturally you are correct about "any planet in the chart may be the badhaka of a certain house". Kind regards Jay Weiss - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Monday, May 12, 2003 3:00 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear Jay, Namaste. Firstly, the relative strength of the yogakaraka should be analysed, secondly the direction where its power flows should also be seen. Maharaja Pandu had a good Rajyoga, but he was unable to enjoy it because of his short longevity. So the Rajayoga flowed to his brother Dhritarashtra, who on the other hand acted as a Badhaka for his sons. So a Yogakaraka may give good results, but there may be some obstacle in enjoying it, and the native will be concerned with the obstacles rather than the good results. Also, any planet in the chart may be the badhaka of a cterain house, so in most of the cases, even if the Rajayoga is enjoyed by the native, someone else may experience some difficulty because of that. I think the Chara Karakas will have a lot to say here. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - J. Weiss vedic astrology Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:47 PM [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear all, Several planets get the role of both yogakaraka as well as badhaka as (example: Mars for Leo lagna or Venus for Aquarius). During the dasa of such planets a theoretical conflict is created (yogakaraka versus badhaka). Of what I have seen so far the results of such planets are leaning more toward giving negative (badhaka) results rather positive (yogakaraka). Can any of the gurus be kind to explain how to evaluate such dasas and such situation in general ? With best regards Jay Weiss Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Thank you very much for sharing, I've learn couple of good points from your message. Please comment on my Q/bellow/ when you get a chance. Best Regards, AnnaGauranga Das <gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net> wrote: JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Anna, Namaste. - j.b vedic astrology Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:24 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear Jay, Gauranga, Thank you for interesting posts. I don't know if it's corect or not to assume that if one planet rules 2houses, Cn, Le. Ta- is 'conditional Raya Yoga' status is to be granted. If say Saturn is placed in Marana Karaka Stana, therefore UNABLE to protect His houses, RY status is cancelled. Is that so? Yes, I agree to that. That also means I am not picky:) I am also curious to know more on RY 'transferability'- I have seen many family chart, where aspects, position, etc..are being repeated ih charts of family member- diferent pattern for different families- Two hints on this: 1. Jaimini and Parashara also gives yogas involving Lagna, HL and GL. If a strong yogada links HL and GL but no connection to Ghati Lagna, then the power will be transferred to someone else, check the house and Karaka influenced the most. Here Naisargika Karak should be used. -It's typo, right- you mean no connection to Lagna? Then power goes to whoever is 'elligible' 2. With Viparita Rajayoga this also works. If the planets forming VRY are in trines or Kendras to Lagna but do not transfer their power to the lagna by aspect or conjunction, then the power arising is enjoyed by someone else. -Do you mean if planets have only Rashi d. and not Graha D.? Who 'someone else would be'?- placement, natural karakas, etc.. 3. (extra hint): Transferability of yogas (not only Rajayogas) should be checked on the basis of yogakarakas being chara karakas. If it is a chara karaka of a certain relative, check the same planet in his chart and see if RY is forming with it. -Thanks, Gauranga. Just found out that nativ'sX /YK/Mars may be forming one more RY in mother's chart!! Mars is karaka for mother only for Shoola dasa, for longevity issue. You see, it opens one more window for research. Maybe this way would help us be more specific in determining charakarakas? Maybe one or two examples could clarify this principle. Please check. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Why not from chart to chart- at least theorethically /I have problem accepting this on this level as well/ Regards, Anna "J. Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Gauranga Das, Thanks for your reply. Are you implying that results of Rajayoga are "transferable" between family members ? Naturally you are correct about "any planet in the chart may be the badhaka of a certain house". Kind regards Jay Weiss - Gauranga Das vedic astrology Monday, May 12, 2003 3:00 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear Jay, Namaste. Firstly, the relative strength of the yogakaraka should be analysed, secondly the direction where its power flows should also be seen. Maharaja Pandu had a good Rajyoga, but he was unable to enjoy it because of his short longevity. So the Rajayoga flowed to his brother Dhritarashtra, who on the other hand acted as a Badhaka for his sons. So a Yogakaraka may give good results, but there may be some obstacle in enjoying it, and the native will be concerned with the obstacles rather than the good results. Also, any planet in the chart may be the badhaka of a cterain house, so in most of the cases, even if the Rajayoga is enjoyed by the native, someone else may experience some difficulty because of that. I think the Chara Karakas will have a lot to say here. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - J. Weiss vedic astrology Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:47 PM [vedic astrology] Yogakaraka as Badhaka - dasa results ? Dear all, Several planets get the role of both yogakaraka as well as badhaka as (example: Mars for Leo lagna or Venus for Aquarius). During the dasa of such planets a theoretical conflict is created (yogakaraka versus badhaka). Of what I have seen so far the results of such planets are leaning more toward giving negative (badhaka) results rather positive (yogakaraka). Can any of the gurus be kind to explain how to evaluate such dasas and such situation in general ? 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