Gem Stone Combination: Lagna Lord in 12th/Bhagyodaya...

May 21, 2003

Why not look at the explanation given by most of the

astrologers in the deep southern part of india who

consider that crossing the sea would constitute going

to a foreign land.

santosh menon

--- Rajesh Mohan Kumaria <rajeshkumaria2000

wrote:

>

> Dear AmolMandar,

> Well with all due regards, these are your

> suppositions, when you

> say, "I suppose.." Is it mentioned somewhere in

> scriptures, that

> astrology rules are linked to changing national

> boundaries? Please

> let me know... If we take your hypothesis to be true

> that than those

> ancient kingdoms were also like nations within the

> bigger Bharatdesh

> Nation. So smaller nations have become one big

> nation ultimately, but

> different parts of same nation are still somewhat

> like a foreign

> land even thesedays i.e, Eastern People going to

> work in

> Northern/southern part will feel like a foreigner

> for several years

> until they get used to the local conditions. So

> Bhagyodaya in

> different parts of same nation, is also similar to

> bhagodaya in a

> foreign land.

>

> If you still do not agree, then it would imply that

> such people(who

> got success in other parts of same nation) never had

> any proper

> desired sucess/bhagyodaya, which will defeat other

> astrology rules,

> linked to prosperity etc., . So it would imply that

> even after a life-

> time of achievements, such people are still waiting

> for bhagyodaya in

> foreign lands or they must travel to foreign lands

> merely to justfiy

> astrology rules..That would seem very strange. Will

> you agree with

> this fact?

> Thanks and Regards.

> Rajesh Kumaria

>

> vedic astrology, "amolmandar"

>

> <amolmandar> wrote:

> > Dear Rajesh

> >

> > I suppose we can not consider 500km or even 5000km

> away from birth

> > place as foriegn land if it is with in your

> nations boundries. A

> > person living at Amritser(IND), goes and does his

> business at

> Lahore

> > (PAK) it should be treated as bhaygaodaya in

> foreign land although

> > distance is not more than 100km.On the other hand

> same person going

> > to Banglore and getting a bhagodya should not be

> treated as

> > bhaygaodaya in foreign land.

> >

> > Thanks for your Time and Space.

> >

> > AmolMandar

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Rajesh

> Mohan Kumaria"

> > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > > Dear Chandershekhar JI,

> > >

> > > Sorry for this intereference in your

> discussions..Can we safely

> > make

> > > an interpretation that Lagna Lord in 12th can

> also indicate

> > > prosperity/financial success at a far away

> place(from place of

> > > birth ) in India, which could be 50/500 miles

> away from birth

> > place?

> > > The reason being that one time India had over

> 5000 kingdoms and

> so

> > > during such times, foreign land could also mean

> another part of

> > India

> > > i.e, living in a different kngdom, other than

> birth kngdom. I am

> > > assuming that astrological rules were written

> 5000 to 7000 years

> > ago

> > > and thousands of kngdoms existed at that time.

> Please correct me,

> > if

> > > I am wrong. I am also taking the liberty of

> changing the subject

> > > heading slightly, if you do not mind Sir.

> > > Regards.

> > > Rajesh Kumaria.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology,

> "Chandrashekhar"

> > > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > Dear Hari,

> > > > Bhagyodaya is rise in fortune. In you

> brother's case which you

> > have

> > > cited, Lagna lord is positied with 3rd and 6th

> lord. Other House

> > > lords are also in different positions.The

> results would therefore

> > be

> > > different. Again his Mahadasha times has to

> arrive for a yoga,

> if

> > > any to fructify and nature of the Planets

> themselves would also

> > > modify the results.

> > > > Let us wait and see what Rajeshwari has to

> say.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > onlyhari

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Gem Stone

> Combination

> > > >

> > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---

> > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar,

> > > >

> > > > You mentioned that "Lagna lord in 12th

> indicates getting your

> > > > bhagyodaya in places distant from your

> birthplace and that

> you

> > > will

> > > > be independent"

> > > >

> > > > What is the meaning of bhagyodaya? Does it

> refer to earnings?

> > My

> > > > brother has 1st lord in 12th conjoined along

> with 5th lord

> and

> > > 3&6th

> > > > lord. In addition, he has 9th&12th lord in

> 2nd, 4th lord in

> 9th

> > > and

> > > > 7th lord in 10th. You would probably say

> that my brother

> would

> > be

> > > > better off earning his money in foreign

> land, isnt it? But

> the

> > > real

> > > > story is that my brother has made umpteen

> attempts since his

> > > > graduation to find a job outside India and

> never once has

> > > succeeded

> > > > (not even to the extent of getting an

> interview call!).

> However

> > > he

> > > > is successful in his own right within India.

>

> > > >

> > > > I remember Shri Sanjay Rath saying that 12th

> house is the

> house

> > > of

> > > > foriegn residence, 9th the house of long

> foriegn travels

> (12th

> > is

> > > > 4th from 9th) and 7th the house of short

> term business trips

> > > (12th

> > > > is 6th from 7th) and lagna lord in 12th

> blocks efforts in

> that

> > > > direction. Could this be the reason for the

> case described

> > above?

> > > > What are your comments?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > Hari

> > > >

> > > > -- In vedic astrology,

> "Chandrashekhar"

> > > > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Rajeshwari,

>

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May 22, 2003

If one was to go deep into the situations there are

texts which describe a distance which a person can

walk in a day is considered to be his land.Anything

beyond that would be considered to be foreign.

However with the ever changing scenario it is prudent

and logical to retain a geographical limit than a

political limit.Albeit that is more permanent.

santosh menon

--- Rajesh Mohan Kumaria <rajeshkumaria2000

wrote:

> Well I think you are going somewhat off track now,

> when you mention

> what constitutes going to a foreign land...Crossing

> the sea is

> another topic in istelf. Our original source of

> argument was "Lagna

> lord in 12th indicates getting your bhagyodaya in

> places distant from

> your birthplace..."..

> So while I consider that distant land or faraway

> places within same

> nation are also a sort of foreign land, yet

> AmolMandar does not

> consider so.

>

> Now let us take your viewpoint...then what will the

> astrologers on

> southern India say about those people who have

> travelled by land to

> northern part and western part of India and then

> living in those

> parts for several years? Will they not consider it

> as also going to a

> distant land? If yes, then does that become a

> foreign laand

> astrologically? That's what we are discussing here.

> Thanks.

> Rajesh Kumaria.

>

> vedic astrology, santosh

> menon

> <santosh786> wrote:

> > Why not look at the explanation given by most of

> the

> > astrologers in the deep southern part of india who

> > consider that crossing the sea would constitute

> going

> > to a foreign land.

> >

> > santosh menon

> >

> > --- Rajesh Mohan Kumaria <rajeshkumaria2000>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear AmolMandar,

> > > Well with all due regards, these are your

> > > suppositions, when you

> > > say, "I suppose.." Is it mentioned somewhere in

> > > scriptures, that

> > > astrology rules are linked to changing national

> > > boundaries? Please

> > > let me know... If we take your hypothesis to be

> true

> > > that than those

> > > ancient kingdoms were also like nations within

> the

> > > bigger Bharatdesh

> > > Nation. So smaller nations have become one big

> > > nation ultimately, but

> > > different parts of same nation are still

> somewhat

> > > like a foreign

> > > land even thesedays i.e, Eastern People going to

> > > work in

> > > Northern/southern part will feel like a

> foreigner

> > > for several years

> > > until they get used to the local conditions. So

> > > Bhagyodaya in

> > > different parts of same nation, is also similar

> to

> > > bhagodaya in a

> > > foreign land.

> > >

> > > If you still do not agree, then it would imply

> that

> > > such people(who

> > > got success in other parts of same nation) never

> had

> > > any proper

> > > desired sucess/bhagyodaya, which will defeat

> other

> > > astrology rules,

> > > linked to prosperity etc., . So it would imply

> that

> > > even after a life-

> > > time of achievements, such people are still

> waiting

> > > for bhagyodaya in

> > > foreign lands or they must travel to foreign

> lands

> > > merely to justfiy

> > > astrology rules..That would seem very strange.

> Will

> > > you agree with

> > > this fact?

> > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > Rajesh Kumaria

> > >

> > > vedic astrology,

> "amolmandar"

> > >

> > > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > Dear Rajesh

> > > >

> > > > I suppose we can not consider 500km or even

> 5000km

> > > away from birth

> > > > place as foriegn land if it is with in your

> > > nations boundries. A

> > > > person living at Amritser(IND), goes and does

> his

> > > business at

> > > Lahore

> > > > (PAK) it should be treated as bhaygaodaya in

> > > foreign land although

> > > > distance is not more than 100km.On the other

> hand

> > > same person going

> > > > to Banglore and getting a bhagodya should not

> be

> > > treated as

> > > > bhaygaodaya in foreign land.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > AmolMandar

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology,

> "Rajesh

> > > Mohan Kumaria"

> > > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Chandershekhar JI,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for this intereference in your

> > > discussions..Can we safely

> > > > make

> > > > > an interpretation that Lagna Lord in 12th

> can

> > > also indicate

> > > > > prosperity/financial success at a far away

> > > place(from place of

> > > > > birth ) in India, which could be 50/500

> miles

> > > away from birth

> > > > place?

> > > > > The reason being that one time India had

> over

> > > 5000 kingdoms and

> > > so

> > > > > during such times, foreign land could also

> mean

> > > another part of

> > > > India

> > > > > i.e, living in a different kngdom, other

> than

> > > birth kngdom. I am

> > > > > assuming that astrological rules were

> written

> > > 5000 to 7000 years

> > > > ago

> > > > > and thousands of kngdoms existed at that

> time.

> > > Please correct me,

> > > > if

> > > > > I am wrong. I am also taking the liberty of

> > > changing the subject

> > > > > heading slightly, if you do not mind Sir.

> > > > > Regards.

> > > > > Rajesh Kumaria.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology,

> > > "Chandrashekhar"

> > > > > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Hari,

> > > > > > Bhagyodaya is rise in fortune. In you

> > > brother's case which you

> > > > have

> > > > > cited, Lagna lord is positied with 3rd and

> 6th

> > > lord. Other House

> > > > > lords are also in different positions.The

> > > results would therefore

> > > > be

> > > > > different. Again his Mahadasha times has to

> > > arrive for a yoga,

> > > if

> > > > > any to fructify and nature of the Planets

> > > themselves would also

> > > > > modify the results.

> > > > > > Let us wait and see what Rajeshwari has to

> > > say.

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > onlyhari

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Gem Stone

> > > Combination

> > > > > >

>

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May 22, 2003

Dear Rajesh,

What we tend to forget is that a country other than your birth place has

different laws and one who leaves his country and goes to other country has a

status less than that of citizen of the host country, no matter one's

fianancial status. Therefore distance is not relevant here. In the times you

are talking about, people had to put in as much resources and time to travel 50

miles as we are when we travel say from India to Dubai.

The yogas are clear. It is other country. Remember that in ancient times maximum

punishment barring death penalty was to banish a citizen form the King's

country. You should be to see the connection with 12th house now.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Rajesh Mohan Kumaria

vedic astrology

Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:31 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Gem Stone Combination: Lagna Lord in 12th/Bhagyodaya...

Dear Chandershekhar JI, Sorry for this intereference in your discussions..Can we

safely make an interpretation that Lagna Lord in 12th can also indicate

prosperity/financial success at a far away place(from place of birth ) in

India, which could be 50/500 miles away from birth place? The reason being that

one time India had over 5000 kingdoms and so during such times, foreign land

could also mean another part of India i.e, living in a different kngdom, other

than birth kngdom. I am assuming that astrological rules were written 5000 to

7000 years ago and thousands of kngdoms existed at that time. Please correct

me, if I am wrong. I am also taking the liberty of changing the subject heading

slightly, if you do not mind Sir.Regards.Rajesh Kumaria.--- In

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear

Hari,> Bhagyodaya is rise in fortune. In you brother's case which you have

cited, Lagna lord is positied with 3rd and 6th lord. Other House lords are also

in different positions.The results would therefore be different. Again his

Mahadasha times has to arrive for a yoga, if any to fructify and nature of

the Planets themselves would also modify the results.> Let us wait and see what

Rajeshwari has to say.> Chandrashekhar.> - >

onlyhari > vedic astrology > Wednesday, May

21, 2003 8:02 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: Gem Stone Combination> > >

---Om Brihaspataye Namah---> Dear Shri Chandrasekhar,> > You mentioned that

"Lagna lord in 12th indicates getting your > bhagyodaya in places distant from

your birthplace and that you will > be independent"> > What is the meaning

of bhagyodaya? Does it refer to earnings? My > brother has 1st lord in 12th

conjoined along with 5th lord and 3&6th > lord. In addition, he has 9th&12th

lord in 2nd, 4th lord in 9th and > 7th lord in 10th. You would probably say

that my brother would be > better off earning his money in foreign land, isnt

it? But the real > story is that my brother has made umpteen attempts since

his > graduation to find a job outside India and never once has succeeded >

(not even to the extent of getting an interview call!). However he > is

successful in his own right within India. > > I remember Shri Sanjay Rath

saying that 12th house is the house of > foriegn residence, 9th the house of

long foriegn travels (12th is > 4th from 9th) and 7th the house of short term

business trips (12th > is 6th from 7th) and lagna lord in 12th blocks efforts

in that > direction. Could this be the reason for the case described above? >

What are your comments?> > regards> Hari> > > -- In

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote:> >

Dear Rajeshwari,> > The chart that I have drawn makes me ask you two

questions. How is > your Martu and Pitrusukha? and obviously possessed of a

good > analytical capacity,are you subject to mood swings(Lord of 5th moon >

afflicted by Ketu in 3rd). Lord of ascendant in 12th indicates your > getting

your bhagyodaya in lands distant from birth place and that > you will be

independent. Unexpected developments regarding sources > of earnings also

appears to be the norm rather than the exception, > here.> > The chart ,

otherwise is quite strong with Gajakesari Yoga, Mars > in 10th in digbala and

Jupiter aspectig Saturn and Saturn aspecting > both Jupiterian houses

indicating spiritual leanings but with thrust > on rituals as Mars aspects

the ascendant. > > By the way I think the first remark of being 2 days older

is > addressed to Prakash, I am also January born but on 26th of it but >

many years earlier.> > Let me know how far I am off the mark.> >

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May 22, 2003

Dear group members,

In my case Chandrashekhar's analysis seems right. I

have my lagna lord in the 12th house and I have been

abroad for more than 2 years. In addition to my lagna

lord, I have the lords of 2nd,6th,7th,and 11th lords

in my 12th house.

My details:

DOB: August 5,1975

POB: Azamgarh, India

TOB: 7:50 AM

Regards.

Mahesh

--- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote:

> Dear Rajesh,

> What we tend to forget is that a country other than

> your birth place has different laws and one who

> leaves his country and goes to other country has a

> status less than that of citizen of the host

> country, no matter one's fianancial status.

> Therefore distance is not relevant here. In the

> times you are talking about, people had to put in as

> much resources and time to travel 50 miles as we are

> when we travel say from India to Dubai.

> The yogas are clear. It is other country. Remember

> that in ancient times maximum punishment barring

> death penalty was to banish a citizen form the

> King's country. You should be to see the connection

> with 12th house now.

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> Rajesh Mohan Kumaria

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:31 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Gem Stone

> Combination: Lagna Lord in 12th/Bhagyodaya...

>

> Dear Chandershekhar JI,

>

> Sorry for this intereference in your

> discussions..Can we safely make

> an interpretation that Lagna Lord in 12th can also

> indicate

> prosperity/financial success at a far away

> place(from place of

> birth ) in India, which could be 50/500 miles away

> from birth place?

> The reason being that one time India had over 5000

> kingdoms and so

> during such times, foreign land could also mean

> another part of India

> i.e, living in a different kngdom, other than

> birth kngdom. I am

> assuming that astrological rules were written 5000

> to 7000 years ago

> and thousands of kngdoms existed at that time.

> Please correct me, if

> I am wrong. I am also taking the liberty of

> changing the subject

> heading slightly, if you do not mind Sir.

> Regards.

> Rajesh Kumaria.

>

> vedic astrology,

> "Chandrashekhar"

> <boxdel> wrote:

> > Dear Hari,

> > Bhagyodaya is rise in fortune. In you brother's

> case which you have

> cited, Lagna lord is positied with 3rd and 6th

> lord. Other House

> lords are also in different positions.The results

> would therefore be

> different. Again his Mahadasha times has to

> arrive for a yoga, if

> any to fructify and nature of the Planets

> themselves would also

> modify the results.

> > Let us wait and see what Rajeshwari has to say.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > onlyhari

> > vedic astrology

> > Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Gem Stone

> Combination

> >

> > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---

> > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar,

> >

> > You mentioned that "Lagna lord in 12th

> indicates getting your

> > bhagyodaya in places distant from your

> birthplace and that you

> will

> > be independent"

> >

> > What is the meaning of bhagyodaya? Does it

> refer to earnings? My

> > brother has 1st lord in 12th conjoined along

> with 5th lord and

> 3&6th

> > lord. In addition, he has 9th&12th lord in

> 2nd, 4th lord in 9th

> and

> > 7th lord in 10th. You would probably say that

> my brother would be

> > better off earning his money in foreign land,

> isnt it? But the

> real

> > story is that my brother has made umpteen

> attempts since his

> > graduation to find a job outside India and

> never once has

> succeeded

> > (not even to the extent of getting an

> interview call!). However

> he

> > is successful in his own right within India.

> >

> > I remember Shri Sanjay Rath saying that 12th

> house is the house

> of

> > foriegn residence, 9th the house of long

> foriegn travels (12th is

> > 4th from 9th) and 7th the house of short term

> business trips

> (12th

> > is 6th from 7th) and lagna lord in 12th blocks

> efforts in that

> > direction. Could this be the reason for the

> case described above?

> > What are your comments?

> >

> > regards

> > Hari

> >

> > -- In vedic astrology,

> "Chandrashekhar"

> > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > Dear Rajeshwari,

> > > The chart that I have drawn makes me ask you

> two questions. How

> is

> > your Martu and Pitrusukha? and obviously

> possessed of a good

> > analytical capacity,are you subject to mood

> swings(Lord of 5th

> moon

> > afflicted by Ketu in 3rd). Lord of ascendant

> in 12th indicates

> your

> > getting your bhagyodaya in lands distant from

> birth place and

> that

> > you will be independent. Unexpected

> developments regarding

> sources

> > of earnings also appears to be the norm rather

> than the

> exception,

> > here.

> > > The chart , otherwise is quite strong with

> Gajakesari Yoga,

> Mars

> > in 10th in digbala and Jupiter aspectig Saturn

> and Saturn

> aspecting

> > both Jupiterian houses indicating spiritual

> leanings but with

> thrust

> > on rituals as Mars aspects the ascendant.

> > > By the way I think the first remark of being

> 2 days older is

> > addressed to Prakash, I am also January born

> but on 26th of it

> but

> > many years earlier.

> > > Let me know how far I am off the mark.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> >

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May 23, 2003

I am sorry to jump in between your ongoing thoughts...but thought of to share

something which I read in boos materials. Its normally a undefined rule but I

have observed many cases having foreign travel or Bhagyoday due to following

scenarios :

If

Evil Planets such as Mars, Rahu, Sun, Ketu and Shani are positioned of aspecting

12th house, 9th house of 5th house

4th House is weak is its depositor is ill-placed

Asc from Natal and moon both should be checked and also Current transit.

More later..

Chintan

Rajesh Mohan Kumaria <rajeshkumaria2000 > wrote:

Dear Chandershekhar ji, Well I agree with your concepts theoretically, but in

real life there are several people who have Lagna Lord in 12th and are still

working and prospering in different parts of India, away from their childhood

or birth place? For example long time back, I had worked for 36 months in 4

different locations, which were 200 to 400 miles away from my childhood city.

My lagna lord is also in the 12th. So in my case, it would mean a distant place

and not another country. Also it would be helpful to know what constitutes

bhagyodaya in a foreign land, which is a linked subject here. In a separate

email chain, myself and AmolMandar have mentioned various BPHS shlokas linked

to 12th house. I will appreciate getting your comments on that. Thanks and

Regards Rajesh Kumaria. vedic astrology,

"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Rajesh,> What we tend to forget is

that a country other than your birth place has different laws and one who

leaves his country and goes to other country has a status less than that of

citizen of the host country, no matter one's fianancial status. Therefore

distance is not relevant here. In the times you are talking about, people had

to put in as much resources and time to travel 50 miles as we are when we

travel say from India to Dubai.> The yogas are clear. It is other country.

Remember that in ancient times maximum punishment barring death penalty was to

banish a citizen form the King's country. You should be to see the connection

with 12th house now.> Chandrashekhar.> - >

Rajesh Mohan Kumaria > vedic astrology > Thursday,

May 22, 2003 8:31 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: Gem Stone Combination:

Lagna Lord in 12th/Bhagyodaya...> > > Dear Chandershekhar JI, > > Sorry for

this intereference in your discussions..Can we safely make > an interpretation

that Lagna Lord in 12th can also indicate > prosperity/financial success at a

far away place(from place of > birth ) in India, which could be 50/500 miles

away from birth place? > The reason being that one time India had over 5000

kingdoms and so > during such times, foreign land could also mean another

part of India > i.e, living in a different kngdom, other than birth kngdom. I

am > assuming that astrological rules were written 5000 to 7000 years ago >

and thousands of kngdoms existed at that time. Please correct me, if > I am

wrong. I am also taking the liberty of changing the subject > heading

slightly, if you do not mind Sir.> Regards.> Rajesh Kumaria.> > --- In

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel> wrote:> >

Dear Hari,> > Bhagyodaya is rise in fortune. In you brother's case which you

have > cited, Lagna lord is positied with 3rd and 6th lord. Other House >

lords are also in different positions.The results would therefore be >

different. Again his Mahadasha times has to arrive for a yoga, if > any to

fructify and nature of the Planets themselves would also > modify the

results.> > Let us wait and see what Rajeshwari has to say.> >

Chandrashekhar.> > - > > onlyhari >

> vedic astrology > > Wednesday, May 21, 2003

8:02 AM> > [vedic astrology] Re: Gem Stone Combination> > > >

> > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---> > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar,> > > >

You mentioned that "Lagna lord in 12th indicates getting your > >

bhagyodaya in places distant from your birthplace and that you > will > >

be independent"> > > > What is the meaning of bhagyodaya? Does it refer to

earnings? My > > brother has 1st lord in 12th conjoined along with 5th lord

and > 3&6th > > lord. In addition, he has 9th&12th lord in 2nd, 4th lord

in 9th > and > > 7th lord in 10th. You would probably say that my brother

would be > > better off earning his money in foreign land, isnt it? But the

> real > > story is that my brother has made umpteen attempts since his >

> graduation to find a job outside India and never once has > succeeded >

> (not even to the extent of getting an interview call!). However > he >

> is successful in his own right within India. > > > > I remember Shri

Sanjay Rath saying that 12th house is the house > of > > foriegn

residence, 9th the house of long foriegn travels (12th is > > 4th from 9th)

and 7th the house of short term business trips > (12th > > is 6th from

7th) and lagna lord in 12th blocks efforts in that > > direction. Could

this be the reason for the case described above? > > What are your

comments?> > > > regards> > Hari> > > > > > -- In

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > > <boxdel> wrote:>

> > Dear Rajeshwari,> > > The chart that I have drawn makes me ask you

two questions. How > is > > your Martu and Pitrusukha? and obviously

possessed of a good > > analytical capacity,are you subject to mood

swings(Lord of 5th > moon > > afflicted by Ketu in 3rd). Lord of

ascendant in 12th indicates > your > > getting your bhagyodaya in lands

distant from birth place and > that > > you will be independent.

Unexpected developments regarding > sources > > of earnings also appears

to be the norm rather than the > exception, > > here.> > > The chart

, otherwise is quite strong with Gajakesari Yoga, > Mars > > in 10th in

digbala and Jupiter aspectig Saturn and Saturn > aspecting > > both

Jupiterian houses indicating spiritual leanings but with > thrust > > on

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Dear Rajesh,

This refers to your mail to me too. I think you are mixing the issues here,when

you talk about people who are abroad not having bhagyodaya. Do they have Lord

of Lagna in 12th house(unafflicted), is the question one should ask before

giving a blanket statement that they fare badly. In the shloka given by you in

response to Amol Mandar the shloka, quoted by you,is telling about 12th lord

and not Lagna lord. So please continue the discussion on Lord of lagna's

position rather than venturing in to what Moon as 12th lord indicates or what

happens 12th lord falls in a particular Navamsha. Otherwise this discussion

will lead nowhere. I would also recommend you to read Sanjay's C.O.V.A chapter

on 12th bhava.

About your point of bhagyodaya in foreign lands, you have probably not read the

mail I sent you regarding the logic of the yoga. Please read it. Please also

understand that there are many yogas that might lead one to go abroad ( as we

call it now a days) and I do not think anybody has suggested that going abroad

leads to bhagyodaya per se. The discussion was on whether Lagnadhipati in 12th

can indicate Bhagyodaya in "distant lands"( if my memory serves me right).

Chandrashekhar.

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Friday, May 23, 2003 12:03 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Gem Stone Combination: Lagna Lord in 12th/Bhagyodaya...

Dear AmolMandar, Well I think you can stick to your point of view regarding

distant land/foreign land controversy( and I can keep on sticking to my point

of view) , which you have also explained nicely using various sholakas about

DeshatDeshantarm travels. However your example may mislead somewhat, as people

may think that wanderings in foreign land lead to Bhagyodaya. In same 24th

chapter, here are the other English Translations of other shlokas(sorry my

sanskrit is just OK type and not very good):" O Brahmin, now I explain to you

the effects of the 12th House: If the 12th Lord has a benefic planet with him,

is in his own sign or in his sign of exaltation, the native's expenses are made

on good accounts. If the moon happens to be 12th Lord and is situated in the

9th, 5th or 11th house, in her exaltation sign or own sign or in her own

Navamamsha or in the Navamamsha of the 11th, 9th or 5th sign, the native will

enjoy beautiful houses, beds or superior scented articles. One having these

combinations passes his life comfortably as he is endowed with such clothes,

beautiful garlands and ornaments. He is gifted with riches and is learned and

lordly. "" And in the event of the 12th Lord falling in the Navamamsha of his

enemy, the Navamamsha of his debilitation sign or the Navamamsha of the 8th

house or in the 6th/8th house, the native is deprived of happiness through

wife, is troubled by expenses aand remains bereft of general happiness. That

very 12th Lord being in an angle or a trine, the native will have full

happiness of his wife"So obviously there is more to Bhagyodaya than just Lagna

Lord in 12th. I am saying all this beacause several people who are wandering in

foreign lands are still waiting for that futuristic Bhagyodaya, whereas people

in India have a general tendency to link Bhagyodaya with all types of foreign

travel, which is not true always.Let us see what the Gurus say. With regards

and Thanks for your deep investigations...Rajesh Kumaria.--- In

vedic astrology, "amolmandar" <amolmandar> wrote:> Dear

Rajesh> > There is one reference in BPHS in chapter 24 of Vyaya Bhava. The 11th

> and 12th shlokas describe the effect of 12th house or lord with > respect to

country.> > "Vyayeshe PapaSamyukte Vyaye PapaSamnvite |> PapaGrahena SamDrusthe

DeshatDeshantarm Gata:||> > This may mean,> > One will wander from country to

country(DeshatDeshantarm), if Vyaya's > Lord and Vyaya Bhava are with malefics

and Vyaya's Lord gives a > Drishti to, or receives a Drishti from malefics.> >

Where as > > "vyayeshe ShubhRashishthe Vyayeshre ShubhaSamyute|> ShubhaGrahena

Samdrushte SwaDeshat Samcharo Bhavet||> > may mean> > One will move in his own

country(Swadeshat), if Vyaya's Lord and > Vyaya Bhava are with benefics and

Vyaya's Lord gives a Drishti to, or > receives a Drishti from benefics.> >

SO,it becomes clear that Parashara expressed moving with in country>

(Swadeshat) and moving country to country (DeshatDeshantarm) > explicitly.

Here, there is no mention of distance away from birth > place. > > So if we say

Bhagyagoday in foreign land then it must not be > Sawdeshat,however small it may

be, because when you cross the > boundry,you are subjected to possibly new rules

and regulations that > may suit you and hence you may prosper. This is

Bhagyagoday in > foreign land. Dawood Ibrahim is a good example. The distance

> between Mumbai to Karachi is less than Mumbai to Madras but had he > opted

for Madras it would have been very difficult for him to survive > as same law

prevails in Kokan(his birth place) and in the city > Madras which more than 500

Kms away from his birth place. But in > Karachi, which is less than 500 kms from

his birth place but not in > swadeshat, the law of land was good for him to

prosper.This is > Bhagyagoday in foreign land. > > So even if take samll

kingdom of ancient times then for a Jatak that > becomes Swadesh hence moving

from Awadh to Maghadh should be treated > as moving from one country to

another(DeshatDeshantarm).> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> >

AmolMAndar> > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh Mohan Kumaria"

> <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:> > > > Dear AmolMandar, > > Well with all due

regards, these are your suppositions, when you > > say, "I suppose.." Is it

mentioned somewhere in scriptures, that > > astrology rules are linked to

changing national boundaries? Please > > let me know... If we take your

hypothesis to be true that than > those > > ancient kingdoms were also like

nations within the bigger > Bharatdesh > > Nation. So smaller nations have

become one big nation ultimately, > but > > different parts of same nation are

still somewhat like a foreign > > land even thesedays i.e, Eastern People

going to work in > > Northern/southern part will feel like a foreigner for

several years > > until they get used to the local conditions. So Bhagyodaya in

> > different parts of same nation, is also similar to bhagodaya in a > >

foreign land. > > > > If you still do not agree, then it would imply that such

people(who > > got success in other parts of same nation) never had any proper

> > desired sucess/bhagyodaya, which will defeat other astrology rules,> >

linked to prosperity etc., . So it would imply that even after a > life-> >

time of achievements, such people are still waiting for bhagyodaya > in > >

foreign lands or they must travel to foreign lands merely to > justfiy > >

astrology rules..That would seem very strange. Will you agree with > > this

fact? > > Thanks and Regards.> > Rajesh Kumaria> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "amolmandar" > > <amolmandar> wrote:> > >

Dear Rajesh> > > > > > I suppose we can not consider 500km or even 5000km away

from > birth > > > place as foriegn land if it is with in your nations

boundries. A > > > person living at Amritser(IND), goes and does his business

at > > Lahore> > > (PAK) it should be treated as bhaygaodaya in foreign land >

although > > > distance is not more than 100km.On the other hand same person >

going > > > to Banglore and getting a bhagodya should not be treated as > > >

bhaygaodaya in foreign land. > > > > > > Thanks for your Time and Space.> > > >

> > AmolMandar> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh Mohan

Kumaria" > > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:> > > > Dear Chandershekhar JI, >

> > > > > > > Sorry for this intereference in your discussions..Can we safely >

> > make > > > > an interpretation that Lagna Lord in 12th can also indicate >

> > > prosperity/financial success at a far away place(from place of > > > >

birth ) in India, which could be 50/500 miles away from birth > > > place? > >

> > The reason being that one time India had over 5000 kingdoms and > > so > >

> > during such times, foreign land could also mean another part of > > > India

> > > > i.e, living in a different kngdom, other than birth kngdom. I > am > > >

> assuming that astrological rules were written 5000 to 7000 > years > > > ago >

> > > and thousands of kngdoms existed at that time. Please correct > me, > > >

if > > > > I am wrong. I am also taking the liberty of changing the > subject >

> > > heading slightly, if you do not mind Sir.> > > > Regards.> > > > Rajesh

Kumaria.> > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

"Chandrashekhar" > > > > <boxdel> wrote:> > > > > Dear Hari,> > > > >

Bhagyodaya is rise in fortune. In you brother's case which > you > > > have > >

> > cited, Lagna lord is positied with 3rd and 6th lord. Other > House > > > >

lords are also in different positions.The results would > therefore > > > be >

> > > different. Again his Mahadasha times has to arrive for a yoga, > > if >

> > > any to fructify and nature of the Planets themselves would > also > > >

> modify the results.> > > > > Let us wait and see what Rajeshwari has to say.>

> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > - > > > > >

onlyhari > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > >

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:

Gem Stone Combination> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---Om Brihaspataye

Namah---> > > > > Dear Shri Chandrasekhar,> > > > > > > > > > You mentioned

that "Lagna lord in 12th indicates getting > your > > > > > bhagyodaya in

places distant from your birthplace and that > > you > > > > will > > > > >

be independent"> > > > > > > > > > What is the meaning of bhagyodaya? Does it

refer to > earnings? > > > My > > > > > brother has 1st lord in 12th conjoined

along with 5th lord > > and > > > > 3&6th > > > > > lord. In addition, he has

9th&12th lord in 2nd, 4th lord in > > 9th > > > > and > > > > > 7th lord in

10th. You would probably say that my brother > > would > > > be > > > > >

better off earning his money in foreign land, isnt it? But > > the > > > > real

> > > > > story is that my brother has made umpteen attempts since > his > > >

> > graduation to find a job outside India and never once has > > > >

succeeded > > > > > (not even to the extent of getting an interview call!). >

> However > > > > he > > > > > is successful in his own right within India. >

> > > > > > > > > I remember Shri Sanjay Rath saying that 12th house is the >

> house > > > > of > > > > > foriegn residence, 9th the house of long foriegn

travels > > (12th > > > is > > > > > 4th from 9th) and 7th the house of short

term business > trips > > > > (12th > > > > > is 6th from 7th) and lagna lord

in 12th blocks efforts in > > that > > > > > direction. Could this be the

reason for the case described > > > above? > > > > > What are your comments?>

> > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > Hari> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar" > > > > > <boxdel>

wrote:> > > > > > Dear Rajeshwari,> > > > > > The chart that I have drawn

makes me ask you two > questions. > > > How > > > > is > > > > > your Martu

and Pitrusukha? and obviously possessed of a > good > > > > > analytical

capacity,are you subject to mood swings(Lord of > > 5th > > > > moon > > > > >

afflicted by Ketu in 3rd). Lord of ascendant in 12th > > indicates > > > > your

> > > > > getting your bhagyodaya in lands distant from birth place > and > >

> > that > > > > > you will be independent. Unexpected developments regarding

> > > > sources > > > > > of earnings also appears to be the norm rather than

the > > > > exception, > > > > > here.> > > > > > The chart , otherwise is

quite strong with Gajakesari > Yoga, > > > > Mars > > > > > in 10th in

digbala and Jupiter aspectig Saturn and Saturn > > > > aspecting > > > > >

both Jupiterian houses indicating spiritual leanings but > with > > > > thrust

> > > > > on rituals as Mars aspects the ascendant. > > > > > > By the way

I think the first remark of being 2 days older > > is > > > > > addressed to

Prakash, I am also January born but on 26th of > > it > > > > but > > > > >

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Dear Rajesh,

Whenever a principle is cited about astrology, two factors are involved. One is

that strength or debilitation of the planet named and of the Bhava concerned is

assumed as per the context of a yoga . Second is that it is assumed that on a

jyotish list the principle that for happening of events the Maha/Antar dashas

have to operate with related Transit position of Major planets like Jupiter,

Lagnesh and Saturn at the right age are understood.

Unless all three happen at a given time the yoga might mot fructify. You will

probably rememberthat I had given birth chart details of Lokamanya Bal

Gangadhar Tilak's son who despite having 3 exalted planets commited suicide by

jumping in front of Poona Mail. The appropriate Dashas having come before his

correct age his Father no doubt became one of the greatest leaders and got fame

Internationally.

Mere existence of yoga in a horoscope does not necessarily give results unless

all three conditions (Natlal,Dashas and Transits) are met. If you want to find

out why you did not go abroad(presuming you did not) it would be better to post

your chart so that all on the list could contribute and our knowledge grows. I

would suggest find out whether your moon is in 7th,9th,10th or11th.

About your discussions with Amol Mandar I am posting separate mail as suggested by you.

Chandrashekhar.

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Friday, May 23, 2003 7:50 AM