Vjyotish results for S&P 500 Cash index NYC

May 28, 2003

Namaste Shyaam ji,

First of all, I have to congratulate you on the excellent work on the practical

use of ashtakavarga. As Parasara said, ashtakavarga is the right technique for

timing events without breaking one's head over the judgment of too many

contradictory influences. Ashtakavarga and transits are a nice combination that

allows computerized astrological predictions.

I personally wanted to test your Vjyotish software/methodology/tool with events

from my life and the lives of people I know. But your revenue model is

prohibitive. Because you expect the user to pay $10 per year per person for

past years, I will have to pay $1000 if I want to test it on 10 persons and 10

events per person (which is the bare minimum testing before I can accept

somebody else's research). Though I read a couple of positive Vjyotish reports

here earlier, I don't know how many people tried and what fraction of them were

successful. Unless I see for myself on atleast 100 events, I cannot be sure of

the worth. Sadly, your model does not allow such verification.

There are some controversies in the computation of ashtakavarga. In addition,

you claim that you use other planetary strengths and inter-planetary

relationships. Again, there are multiple strengths, controversies in their

definitions and multiple definitions of relationships. You claim that you use

the running Vimsottari dasas. Again, one can use variants of Vimsottari dasa

(e.g. Lagna Vimsottari dasa) and other dasas too. Overall, there are so many

parameters for experimentation here. It is quite possible, if not quite likely,

that you only found the partial truth and did not even experiment with a

majority of the parameters.

In other words, you may have made excellent progress in this important topic,

but a lot of work could still be left. If you share your findings and formulas

with all of us, we can conduct further research and refine the collective

understanding. It can lead to a renaissance in Vedic astrology. Unfortunately,

you are keeping the formula a secret for commercial reasons and choosing not to

contribute to that "renaissance".

Well, in any case, I do appreciate your research efforts. May God bless you in

your efforts to understand the great truths of Vedic astrology!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/jhora

PS: What is the birthdata of S&P 500?

PPS: You mentioned a few dates of change. Is the change positive or negative in

each case and how big is it likely to be? Your answers actually leave a lot of

questions. :-)

> Hi> > Recently, a person, Mr. Len Donovan, residing in US, wanted to check >

Vjyotish results on a mundane horoscope (of S&P 500 Cash index NYC). > I am

pasting herein below the correspondence with him. I would > appreciate the

comments of learned astrologers.> > Shyaam

June 3, 2003

Narasimha ji, Namaskar.

First of all I must apologize for a delayed reply. I have given "no

email" option in all astrology groups to save my inbox from flooding

and some times I do not check group messages. Due to it I could not

see your message posted in "Vedic-astrology". Just today, I was going

through my own messages to check for replies (if any) and came across

your message. I would request you to send a copy of your future

mails, addressed to me, directly to my email id also (shyaamkansal

[at] ).

I am also thankful to you for saying kind words about my work. It is

such assessment by knowledgeable persons, like you, which works as

fuel for a creative person. Now coming to your questions:

>>> There are some controversies in the computation of ashtakavarga

Yes, there are. I'm using Varahmihira's method mostly.

>>> In addition, you claim that you use other planetary strengths and

inter-planetary relationships. Again, there are multiple strengths,

controversies in their definitions and multiple definitions of

relationships.

I do not wish to enter into controversial waters of multiple

definitions. My program model is already too complicated. I am simply

following the ancient principles also advocated by some well-known

and successful astrologers of recent age.

>>> one can use variants of Vimsottari dasa (e.g. Lagna Vimsottari

dasa) and other dasas too

Running Vimsottari dasa is only one of the component, which are used

to draw the net values of a day by the program. Therefore, if we

presume that other variants of dasa work better than Nakshatra based

Vimsottari, it will affect a small part of the total value.

>>> It is quite possible, if not quite likely, that you only found

the partial truth and did not even experiment with a majority of the

parameters.

Yes, it is quite likely. In fact, a certainty. I consider Vedic

Jyotish an ocean. Every one of us has been able to gather very little

water out of it. It is beyond capacity of a single person to

experiment with hundreds of parameters in his lifetime. Actually what

can be done (and has been done by me in the program) is that some

principles, which were found working with acceptable accuracy in

majority of the cases by me and other recent age astrology students,

has been adopted for standardizing the Vjyotish prediction model. I

know that my efforts need to be further fine tuned for improving the

quality of results. But then, every creative product is always

developed that way. I have been updating Vjyotish from time to time

as my understanding of Jyotish increases. As a human being, if I'm

able to find "partial truth" only, I must feel quite contended.

However, quest for finding the rest of the truth must not stop.

>>> If you share your findings and formulas with all of us, we can

conduct further research and refine the collective understanding. It

can lead to a renaissance in Vedic astrology. Unfortunately, you are

keeping the formula a secret for commercial reasons and choosing not

to contribute to that "renaissance".

I would have been more than happy to share my little knowledge. But

some unpleasant experiences in the past in this regard restrict me. I

shall not deny that commercial reasons do exist, but then, I do

consider myself only a human being which has it's genuine

materialistic needs.

>>> What is the birthdata of S&P 500?

As per Judy Johns, S&P 500 Cash index (NYC) on 1st March 1957 at

10:00 AM EST, New York.

>>> You mentioned a few dates of change. Is the change positive or

negative in each case and how big is it likely to be?

I have used the word "turning point". It means that market will

change the direction on indicated date. If it were going "UP"

previously, it will start a descent from turning point date and if it

was falling previously, it will start climbing after the date of

indicated turning point. My experience shows that I have been more

accurate in finding the "turning dates" instead of predicting exact

direction of a market.

>>> I personally wanted to test your Vjyotish

software/methodology/tool with events from my life and the lives of

people I know. But your revenue model is prohibitive.

Vjyotish uses a pre-processed raw database for creating various

indices. It cannot create this database itself. This raw database is

created through my another back-end proprietary software "Rishi". In

fact, the main calculation engine is "Rishi". "Vjyotish" simply

presents this data in a user-friendly manner (in the form of various

indices). That's why a user himself cannot load a chart to Vjyotish.

All required charts have to be loaded by me only. This feature saves

me from problem of pirating the software and fear of reverse-

compilation.

Creating these pre-processed data files for individuals, making their

self-extracting .exe files and mailing them through very un-reliable

and slow dial-up internet connection takes quite a lot of my time

with lots of telephone bills also. This constraint restricts me to

offer this testing facility for free to everybody. Though, still, I

have been offering it free to astrology groups from time to time.

It would be my pleasure to get evaluated my product through you. You

may kindly send some reliable birth-data, with ascendants not on the

borderline. The best test cases will be the traumatic events with a

known date. I have noticed that negative results are more visible

than the positive results. Please do not test events of general

nature, like – marriage, child-birth, father's death, mother's death

etc.

Warm regards,

Shyaam Sunder Kansal

http://www.howisyourdaytoday.com

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste Shyaam ji,

>

> First of all, I have to congratulate you on the excellent work on

the practical use of ashtakavarga. As Parasara said, ashtakavarga is

the right technique for timing events without breaking one's head

over the judgment of too many contradictory influences. Ashtakavarga

and transits are a nice combination that allows computerized

astrological predictions.

>

> I personally wanted to test your Vjyotish software/methodology/tool

with events from my life and the lives of people I know. But your

revenue model is prohibitive. Because you expect the user to pay $10

per year per person for past years, I will have to pay $1000 if I

want to test it on 10 persons and 10 events per person (which is the

bare minimum testing before I can accept somebody else's research).

Though I read a couple of positive Vjyotish reports here earlier, I

don't know how many people tried and what fraction of them were

successful. Unless I see for myself on atleast 100 events, I cannot

be sure of the worth. Sadly, your model does not allow such

verification.

>

> There are some controversies in the computation of ashtakavarga. In

addition, you claim that you use other planetary strengths and inter-

planetary relationships. Again, there are multiple strengths,

controversies in their definitions and multiple definitions of

relationships. You claim that you use the running Vimsottari dasas.

Again, one can use variants of Vimsottari dasa (e.g. Lagna Vimsottari

dasa) and other dasas too. Overall, there are so many parameters for

experimentation here. It is quite possible, if not quite likely, that

you only found the partial truth and did not even experiment with a

majority of the parameters.

>

> In other words, you may have made excellent progress in this

important topic, but a lot of work could still be left. If you share

your findings and formulas with all of us, we can conduct further

research and refine the collective understanding. It can lead to a

renaissance in Vedic astrology. Unfortunately, you are keeping the

formula a secret for commercial reasons and choosing not to

contribute to that "renaissance".

>

> Well, in any case, I do appreciate your research efforts. May God

bless you in your efforts to understand the great truths of Vedic

astrology!

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/jhora

>

> PS: What is the birthdata of S&P 500?

>

> PPS: You mentioned a few dates of change. Is the change positive or

negative in each case and how big is it likely to be? Your answers

actually leave a lot of questions. :-)

>

> > Hi

> >

> > Recently, a person, Mr. Len Donovan, residing in US, wanted to

check

> > Vjyotish results on a mundane horoscope (of S&P 500 Cash index

NYC).

> > I am pasting herein below the correspondence with him. I would

> > appreciate the comments of learned astrologers.

> >

> > Shyaam

June 3, 2003

Dear respected Gurus,

I offer my chart for your test, if a persons chart with defined unusual

traumatic events is needed. Or do you want a country's chart?

Birth data is 20th September 1956 Auckland New Zealand

time 4:01 ( may need rectifying by few minutes)

Trauma event A) Whilst sailing back from new Caledonia to New Zealand on

my fathers yacht, we were attacked and sunk by sperm whales ( sunk in 11

minutes).Mum and Dad , my brother and I all were rescued at about 9:30 am the

next day in the life raft, in the Tasman sea 150 miles East from Norfolk Island.

A Event time was 3:30 pm ( New Caledonia time)

11th November 1979

at exactly 29 degrees 30' S

170 degrees 30'E

Trauma event B

Third child, my daughter who was 7 years at the time , mauled by two

Rotteweiler dogs, next door to her grandmothers house, almost killed with left

arm almost chewed off. Rescued and recovered fully, and miraculously.

Event time 12:45pm 13th April 1998 Auckland New

Zealand

I also have the event data for two fatal helicopter crashes for my two husbands

if you want them.( 1985 and 1986 )

I hope this data could be of use in your test,

Humbily yours,

Rosemary Innes-Jones

> "Shyaam Sunder Kansal" <shyaamkansal

> 2003/06/03 Tue PM 08:33:26 GMT+12:00

> vedic astrology

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