Speech disorder

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Dear Pradeep,

The reason for my question should have been clear by now. Jupiter

aspects the 5th house. Venus the sign despositor of Saturn and Rogesh.

So I trust why I said this. Moon is unusually stromg and does not

attract Ashtamadhipati dosha. Venus in 4th with digbala and exaltation

protects the Sukha and Karma. These are all interrelated.

Chandrashelhar.

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

Dear Chandrashekharji

Thanks a lot for the explanation.Why is the position of Jupiter and Venus

important here?Since Jupiter is karaka for second house?

Is Venus important as it is the dispositor of 2nd lord saturn?

My Jupiter is in ascendant in Dhanus and Venus is in 4th house exalted in

Meena.You think these might have helped me?Thank God.

Also you are right with moon in navamsha -it is not in mercurys house.I have

cancer navamsha and Moon is Vargottama there(Makara).

But my Mars and Jupiter are together in mercurys house(12th house,mithuna).Can

it influence the rasi positions related to our topic of discussion.

So for our topic of discussion what i should understand from this is 2nd

house,its lord,lords dispositor,natural karakas like jupiter and Moon and their

strength in navamsha have to be analysed and also 5th house for mind.Kindly

correct me.Other balas like shad has also to be considered,i believe.

Thanks and respect

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> wrote:

Dear Pradeep,

Since you have Aries as 5th house ,Ascendant has to be Sagitarius.

Now

in your case the 5th house gets strength as its lord is in own

house.

Sun is your Lord of 9th in 2nd house associate 7th and 10th lord Mercury and

being association of Quadrant and Trinal Lord both

become

capable of giving rise to Yoga. Moon is with full Paksha bala.

Results

of Moon's affliction by Rahu you have experienced. Both Mercury

and

Saturn are in friendly Lord's house. Hence no problems with

speech. You

have not mentioned positions of Jupiter and Venus. Their house occupation and

strength are also material. You may check strength derived by the Planets from

their Navamsha placement. This would

make

the position very clear to you. Such placement in Mercury's house

might

have created problems if it was 2nd house as Mercury is enemy of

Moon

and Moon would loose his strength. This could happen in case of

Taurus

and Leo Lagna.

Hope this helps.

Chandrashekhar.

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar ji and other learned members

I have always thought of asking this question regarding speech disorder.Whenever

i have read something about the second

house,there

were some indications about speech disorder - subject to

afflictions

of second house,lords,mercury etc.

But with Gods grace i have no disorder though i have mercury with moon,rahu and

sun in the second house.The lord of second house is saturn and is placed in the

6th,in taurus (which being a friendly sign).But since mercury considers moon as

an enemy and as rahu

wants

to settle a score against moon there arises a chance of struggle going on in

this house.But again there were no bad results.All i could say is eccentric

nature (meaning being spontaneous) - like

for

eg if you want to howl while watching a show - you will howl

without

thinking twice.Another thing is your mind could go into

overlapping

(it could be called multi tasking as per computer

treminologies).I

think this is because of Rahu being with moon.If you dont close

your

eyes for a second and take a deep breath and tell your mind to concentrate,this

rahu will make your mind to jump to other

areas.I

think this rahu cannot wait and is very eager(but truth is

curiosity

and eagerness are good but one should wait and concentrate to

build

the foundation).Thus it can be good as well as bad.But this can

be

controlled if you want.One has to be strict on Rahu.But again

this is

possible may be due to concentrated net result of different planets.Another

thing is obsession -for eg if you like music you might be with it for a long

time,and if you like astrology you

might

browse for hours,these are good things:-),but one should control

the

bad things as well.Control is possible if multiple aspects or conjunctions are

there as they will significantly modify the effects.But one should think i need

to control.Why i am telling

all

this is,the ongoing discussions were mentioning about afflictions

of

different karakas.And i was sharing own experience if it

helps.One

has to be very careful while analysing multiple

conjunctions.Without

myself telling, the learned members like you will be definitely

aware

of all these,but i am qouting all these from individual

experiences

which could be a further reinforcement or confirmation for your research.

Also about your another point,fifth house.I have Mars in Aries in

5th

house.

So as you have said one should analyse carefully with the help of basics to

reach conclusions on topics like speech disorder.I

think

there are more things than second house and mercury,Moon

afflictions

for speech disorders(as you have rightly mentioned),which i am

unable

to explain due to lack of knowledge.I am reinstating this because there is no

speech disorder for me and with Gods grace,i

can

sing a bit as well once in a while in the living room(outside bathroom as

well,thats what i meant:-).

So it would be helpful if you could tell,what all could be the

basic

considerations one should have, inorder to predict speech disorders.Also what

reasons might had saved me.This can be

helpful in

learning and analysing.Thanks to the destiny controllers.

With respect and regards

Pradeep

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel> wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

You enter Manama in Astro.com/atlas page and will get the Long.

Lat. of

Bahrain. It will show the Time zone as 3 hr.s. Click on the

Manama

 

link

and another page opens. Here the same time would be shown for

current

date. Now put in Dec. 1960 in the form and click continue and

you

 

will

get 4 Hr.s as the Time zone. D.S.T. was obviously applicable ni

1960 the

year of Rajus birth. The Lagna of Raju will change to Virgo as I

had

suspected.

This will help you understand why I say, ad naseum perhaps, that

one

must master one system completely and be firm in his basics.

The

earlier horoscope with Libra ascendant does not give any

indication

 

for

speech disorder from the principles.Mercury in 2nd house and

Mars

 

in 9th

owning the 2nd house could not simply give speech disorder.

Whenever you

find no explaination to the facts based on the Horoscope, go

back

 

to

basics, and if you feel that the facts do not bear out the

horoscope

give to you, be certain that the time could not be correct or

that

 

the

Charrt is drawn with wrong parameters.

With Virgo as the Ascendant, Mercury shifts to 3rd house and

its

dispositor Mars (lord of 3rd and 8th) associates Mandi. Mars

also

aspects Venus the lord of the 2nd house, and in turn gets aspect

of

Saturn and Jupiter. Mark that Saturn is Rogesh and thus the

disorder is

explained. Mark that in Navamsha Venus is in enemy house and

does

 

not

derive strength from Navamsha.

The native might get some help by wearing a Diamond.

About your other queries, remember what I said about it being

necessary

for a Jyotishi to know about many sciences in order to arrive at

a

conclusion? Stammering is a result of lack of confidence. This

indicates

basically a psychological problem and so who else must be

afflicted

 

than

the Karaka of Mind, Moon? You will find that with correct

aplication of

Time zone, Moon is posited in Lagna in Mercury's Rasi, whose

enemy

 

is Moon.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Shri Chandrashekharji,

Thank you for your kind replies. The native is reasonably sure

about

the birth time as per local timings. The doubt however is about

the

time zone. I have verified and found that both Bahrain and

Kuwait

 

are

currently 1 hr behind Dubai and hence would be 3 hrs from GMT.

I

haven't been able to check if official timings were same 40

years

 

back.

Native's problem is that of stammering which probably I should

have

mentioned before! For stammering you have suggested checking affliction on 5th

house and Moon, which I had not done. Now I

do

 

find

that Moon is aspected by Mars and Saturn both natural malefic

(though

Saturn is YK for Libra). Moon is also 10th lord. Native had

taken

 

up

family business which eventually he had to wind up due to

financial

problems. This probably would go with Moon being the 10th lord

and

being afflicted!

5th house again is afflicted by Ketu's placement and Graha

aspects of

Saturn plus Rahu.

I shall appreciate your comments on the above. I shall also

appreciate

if you can kindly explain the link between stammering and Moon

and 5th

house. Many thanks and kind regards

Ramesh

 

Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel]

Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:30 PM

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Speech disorder

Dear Ramesh,

Have you checked the accuracy of Ascendant? 2nd house would

represent Vacha, so toungue related affliction of spech

would

come under its purview. If the problem is with vocal chords

then

3rd house would come in to play. Also check

strength/affliction of

2nd house lord and planets placed in 2nd to be able to

understand

the reason behind the speech disability. If it is a stammer

check

for affliction to 5th and Moon.

Chandrashekhar.

Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Learned Members,

I am posting Chart for a gentleman who has a speech

disorder. The

relevant points that I noticed are as follows:

1. 2nd House: Sun and Mercury placed in 2nd, aspected

(graha

drsiti) by none. Jupiter is the naisargika karka for 2nd

house

though Mercury is karka for speech. I wonder if 'karka

bhava

hrasya' will apply in this case!

2. 2nd lord: Mars placed in 9th. Lord placement is 8th

from

 

its

house and that would afflict the 2nd house. Mars however

is

 

in

parivartana with Mercury. That is like Mars in own house,

wonder

which 2nd or 9th!. If 9th it is aspected by Saturn and

Jupiter

and Jupiter should protect! Mars is its own MTK house in

Navamsa.

3. Mercury as Karka for speech: Conjoint with Sun and no

aspects,

lord of 9th and 12th.

4. 2nd house from Mercury: Cova suggests checking 2nd from

Mercury. This is the 3rd house with Jupiter and Saturn,

aspected

by Rahu. Jupiter is its own MTK house. Jupiter is known to

'bhrashta' the house in which it is placed. Would it

afflict

 

its

own house too? Saturn being ahead in longitude wins the

graha

yudha. Add to that is the aspect of Rahu!

In conclusion I did not see major afflictions that could

indicate

speech disorder in first 3 points. The 4th point however

would

lead us to the identification of affliction. I shall

appreciate

if receiving comments from learned members and a scrutiny

by

 

Gurus.

Kind regards

Ramesh

PS: DOB: 14th Dec 1960, TOB: 2.10 am, POB: Manama, Bahrain.

 

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Respected Chandrasekharji,Ramesh,Pradeep and other learned members,

i hope you will not mind me posting my views in this regard.

Correct time zone is a must as there is every possibility of shift in

karakatwas. In this case Sun is the Atmakaraka if 4 hours(east of GMT) is

taken while AK is moon if the time zone is changed as 3 hours(east of GMT).

i have taken 4 hours as time zone. Sun is the AK. As per Jaimin Upadesa Sutras

(3.3.65) if the afflicting planet is in the 6th kaulaka, diseases of the

tongue(mouth/throat) could result. Sun is placed in watery sign in rasi and is

associated with ketu in meena kshetra in navamsa and is in the 6th kaulaka and

placed in the 2nd in association with 6th lord Moon and Gulika in shastamsa.

Voice karaka is Buda. Planet placed in 2nd to buda should be consulted to know

the state of affairs relating to speech. Here Guru is placed in 2nd in

association with Sani and is subject to the aspect of Mars and influence of

Rahu. This gives a hint relating to curse of a pious soul. Infact this curse

is continuing from his previous birth as can be seen from D-60 where again Guru

is relegated to 8th house and subject to the influences of Sani and Rahu.

He is currently running the dasa of Sani who is his BK. Incidentally his Sani

happens to be his Ishta as well as Dharma devatha.

Worshipping Lord Shiva with intense faith will be helpful. As per vimshottari

dasa scheme he is presently running the dasa of sani and antardasa of buda.

Somavara vratha, lighting a lamp(mars) in the sannidhana/garbha griha of the

lord shiva, abhisheka(venus - jala tatwa) to lord shiva performed with Rudram

chanting, archana with bel leaves(buda) on a regular basis would help remove

the curse.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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