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Respected Gurujis,

Is the slaughter of millions of dumb animals during Haj an insult to God?If it

is ,then are we not also affected adeversely as we pretend not to notice these

mass killings?

Regards

Kaimal

-

saumya ray chaudhuri

vedic astrology

Monday, November 10, 2003 6:02 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm

Respected Guruji,

I am just extending this conversation little further. Suppose I kill animal

(lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking down the street or driving a

car. how this should be considered in the current context.

Thank you again

Pranam

saumyaVisti Larsen <balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Shunny,

Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s.

The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing

during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease

the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn, Mars…

As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian subject by encouraging killing.

Best wishes, Visti.

 

 

shunny nigam [shunny65 ] Sent:

Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:08 PMvisti larsenCc: Vedic AstrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm

 

OM NAMO NARAYANA

 

Dear Vistiji,

 

I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra

will not reap its fruit.

Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of

animal. There argument are

a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence

to life is involved so how can God be pleased?

b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat?

 

Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in

Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days.

 

Shunny Nigam

Delhi

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Respected Guruji,

You are right.What I wrote was in poor taste and I am ashamed.I hope the List forgives me.

Regards

Kaimal

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Visti Larsen

vedic astrology

Monday, November 10, 2003 7:20 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Kaimal,

I knew someone was going to say something like this. You shouldn’t make such

outbursts, its not appropriate, and looks childish, because you have not been

following the discussion. The Haj is an offering to God, just as the asvameddha

sacrifice was. However this type of offering will not benefit an astrologer, or

priest in enhancing their knowledge, as it becomes an insult towards that form

of God which is Jupiter and Mercury. Instead it could enhance strength, power,

etc.

Best wishes,

 

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Dear Vistiji,

 

I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra

will not reap its fruit.

Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of

animal. There argument are

a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence

to life is involved so how can God be pleased?

b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat?

 

Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in

Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days.

 

Shunny Nigam

Delhi

 

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Krishna|

Dear Shunny,

Like I said,

there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s.

The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter

and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing during

a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease

the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn,

Mars…

As

astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian

subject by encouraging killing.

Best wishes,

Visti.

 

 

 

shunny nigam

[shunny65 ]

 

Tahoma">Sunday, November 09, 2003

font-family:Tahoma">8:08 PM

visti larsen

Cc: Vedic Astrology

[vedic astrology] Recite

mantra and vegetariasm

 

OM NAMO NARAYANA

 

Dear Vistiji,

 

I agree with you that killing of

animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit.

Many people (Non-Veg) entertain

wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument

are

a) since animals are sacrificed

(Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can

God be pleased?

b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross

desire to eat meat?

 

Would you clear my doubts about

the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden

days.

 

Shunny Nigam

Delhi

 

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I am just extending this conversation little further. Suppose I kill animal

(lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking down the street or driving a

car. how this should be considered in the current context.

Thank you again

Pranam

saumyaVisti Larsen <balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Shunny,

Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s.

The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing

during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease

the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn, Mars…

As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian subject by encouraging killing.

Best wishes, Visti.

 

 

shunny nigam [shunny65 ] Sent:

Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:08 PMTo:

visti larsenCc: Vedic Astrology[vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm

 

OM NAMO NARAYANA

 

Dear Vistiji,

 

I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra

will not reap its fruit.

Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of

animal. There argument are

a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence

to life is involved so how can God be pleased?

b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat?

 

Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in

Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days.

 

Shunny Nigam

Delhi

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Dear Saumya,

Human beings are

lorded by the Moon, and the two types of Karma’s they carry with them are

lorded by the two nodes of the Moon – Rahu and Ketu. Rahu shows all the

intentional karma’s we perform, i.e. with a desire, whilst Ketu shows the

headless karma’s – i.e. mistakes, accidents, etc. Both are karma’s;

however the Rahu-type karma’s are worse than the Ketu-type. The Ketu-type

karma’s can have a profound influence on ones death, or accidents.

 

So yes –

it will add to your karmic bank-balance – but the intensity may not be

intense… you could have been warned not to drive in a place where there

were many animals, etc. Also consider animals – their set of karma’s

is different from that of humans, hence killing maybe necessary for them –

yet will be without major karmic repercussions.

As a result

of living like an animal in this life – we may entertain that same

destiny in the next.

Best wishes,

Visti.

 

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Monday, November 10, 2003

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RE: [vedic astrology]

Recite mantra and vegetariasm

 

Respected Guruji,

I am just extending this conversation little

further. Suppose I kill animal (lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking

down the street or driving a car. how this should be considered in the current

context.

Thank you again

Pranam

saumya

Visti Larsen

<balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote:

margin-left:5.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

color:blue">|Hare Rama Krishna|

color:blue">Dear Shunny,

color:blue">Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also

various types of Yajna’s.

color:blue">The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu),

hence any killing during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s

more likely to appease the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn,

Mars…

color:blue">As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian

subject by encouraging killing.

color:blue">Best wishes, Visti.

color:blue">

color:blue">

 

shunny nigam

[shunny65 ]

Sunday,

November 09, 2003 8:08 PM

visti larsen

Cc: Vedic Astrology

[vedic astrology] Recite

mantra and vegetariasm

 

OM NAMO NARAYANA

 

Dear Vistiji,

 

I agree with you that killing of

animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit.

Many people (Non-Veg) entertain

wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument

are

a) since animals are sacrificed

(Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can

God be pleased?

b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross

desire to eat meat?

 

Would you clear my doubts about

the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden

days.

 

Shunny Nigam

Delhi

 

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|Hare Rama

Krishna|

Dear Kaimal,

I knew

someone was going to say something like this. You shouldn’t make such

outbursts, its not appropriate, and looks childish, because you have not been

following the discussion. The Haj is an offering to

God, just as the asvameddha sacrifice was. However

this type of offering will not benefit an astrologer, or priest in enhancing

their knowledge, as it becomes an insult towards that form of God which is

Jupiter and Mercury. Instead it could enhance strength, power, etc.

Best wishes,

 

1.5pt">

Visti

Larsen

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visti (AT) (DOT) org

 

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SRCKaimal

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Monday, October 27, 2003

9:33 AM

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Re: [vedic astrology]

Recite mantra and vegetariasm

 

Respected Gurujis,

Is the slaughter of millions of dumb

animals during Haj an insult to God?If it is ,then are we not also affected

adeversely as we pretend not to notice these mass killings?

Regards

Kaimal

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-

saumya ray

chaudhuri

vedic astrology

Monday,

November 10, 2003 6:02 PM

RE:

[vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm

 

Respected Guruji,

I am just extending this conversation little

further. Suppose I kill animal (lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking

down the street or driving a car. how this should be considered in the current

context.

Thank you again

Pranam

saumya

Visti Larsen <balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com>

wrote:

margin-left:5.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

color:blue">|Hare Rama Krishna|

color:blue">Dear Shunny,

color:blue">Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also

various types of Yajna’s.

color:blue">The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu),

hence any killing during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s

more likely to appease the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn,

Mars…

color:blue">As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian

subject by encouraging killing.

color:blue">Best wishes, Visti.

color:blue">

color:blue">

 

shunny nigam

[shunny65 ]

Sunday, November 09, 2003

8:08 PM

visti larsen

Cc: Vedic Astrology

[vedic astrology] Recite

mantra and vegetariasm

 

OM NAMO NARAYANA

 

Dear Vistiji,

 

I agree with you that killing of

animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit.

Many people (Non-Veg) entertain

wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument

are

a) since animals are sacrificed

(Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can

God be pleased?

b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross

desire to eat meat?

 

Would you clear my doubts about

the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden

days.

 

Shunny Nigam

Delhi

 

 

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This was a kind of the doubt that people had long before and continue to have

even know why do the people offer sacrifices to the god in the form of killing

animals.

 

I would like to tell you a story that had happened at kanchipuram in kamakshi temple

people at that village were performing similiar kind of sacrifices to the

goddess at the temple when the Guru Sankaracharya noticed that he told the

people that you are not supposed to perform such kind of act then the people

said that in Lalitha sahasranama,

it is said as Mamsa-istayai namah means she likes meat. and hence we offer meat

then Sankara replied for that as

 

" In this context the meat was the meat of the demons who created havoc among

the people distrubing the people peace and habit we see lord kali having a

garland of skulls those are the skulls of demons who created lot of trouble to

people"

 

By the way coming to your question of unknowing hurting someone.Actually

speaking any thing done knowingly or unknowingly will have an affect. but any

harm done unknowingly will have no effect. but there are occasion where a

mistakes done unknowingly are punished.

 

Regards,

James.SRCKaimal <srckaimal (AT) asianetindia (DOT) com> wrote:

Respected Gurujis,

Is the slaughter of millions of dumb animals during Haj an insult to God?If it

is ,then are we not also affected adeversely as we pretend not to notice these

mass killings?

Regards

Kaimal

-

saumya ray chaudhuri

vedic astrology

Monday, November 10, 2003 6:02 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm

Respected Guruji,

I am just extending this conversation little further. Suppose I kill animal

(lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking down the street or driving a

car. how this should be considered in the current context.

Thank you again

Pranam

saumyaVisti Larsen <balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote:

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Shunny,

Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s.

The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing

during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease

the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn, Mars…

As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian subject by encouraging killing.

Best wishes, Visti.

 

 

shunny nigam [shunny65 ] Sent:

Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:08 PMTo:

visti larsenCc: Vedic Astrology[vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm

 

OM NAMO NARAYANA

 

Dear Vistiji,

 

I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra

will not reap its fruit.

Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of

animal. There argument are

a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence

to life is involved so how can God be pleased?

b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat?

 

Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in

Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days.

 

Shunny Nigam

Delhi

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