Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Respected Gurujis, Is the slaughter of millions of dumb animals during Haj an insult to God?If it is ,then are we not also affected adeversely as we pretend not to notice these mass killings? Regards Kaimal - saumya ray chaudhuri vedic astrology Monday, November 10, 2003 6:02 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm Respected Guruji, I am just extending this conversation little further. Suppose I kill animal (lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking down the street or driving a car. how this should be considered in the current context. Thank you again Pranam saumyaVisti Larsen <balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote: |Hare Rama Krishna| Dear Shunny, Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s. The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn, Mars… As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian subject by encouraging killing. Best wishes, Visti. shunny nigam [shunny65 ] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:08 PMvisti larsenCc: Vedic AstrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm OM NAMO NARAYANA Dear Vistiji, I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit. Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument are a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can God be pleased? b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat? Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days. Shunny Nigam Delhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Respected Guruji, You are right.What I wrote was in poor taste and I am ashamed.I hope the List forgives me. Regards Kaimal - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Monday, November 10, 2003 7:20 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm |Hare Rama Krishna| Dear Kaimal, I knew someone was going to say something like this. You shouldn’t make such outbursts, its not appropriate, and looks childish, because you have not been following the discussion. The Haj is an offering to God, just as the asvameddha sacrifice was. However this type of offering will not benefit an astrologer, or priest in enhancing their knowledge, as it becomes an insult towards that form of God which is Jupiter and Mercury. Instead it could enhance strength, power, etc. Best wishes, Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org Powered by Plaxo ... Want a signature like this? Attachment: [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 Dear Vistiji, I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit. Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument are a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can God be pleased? b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat? Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days. Shunny Nigam Delhi Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 |Hare Rama Krishna| Dear Shunny, Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s. The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn, Mars… As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian subject by encouraging killing. Best wishes, Visti. shunny nigam [shunny65 ] Tahoma">Sunday, November 09, 2003 font-family:Tahoma">8:08 PM visti larsen Cc: Vedic Astrology [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm OM NAMO NARAYANA Dear Vistiji, I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit. Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument are a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can God be pleased? b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat? Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days. Shunny Nigam Delhi Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 I am just extending this conversation little further. Suppose I kill animal (lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking down the street or driving a car. how this should be considered in the current context. Thank you again Pranam saumyaVisti Larsen <balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote: |Hare Rama Krishna| Dear Shunny, Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s. The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn, Mars… As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian subject by encouraging killing. Best wishes, Visti. shunny nigam [shunny65 ] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:08 PMTo: visti larsenCc: Vedic Astrology[vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm OM NAMO NARAYANA Dear Vistiji, I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit. Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument are a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can God be pleased? b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat? Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days. Shunny Nigam Delhi Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- New">....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Saumya Ray ChaudhuriIMTECH,Sector 39A, Chandigarh-160036ph 0172 690751(lab) Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 |Hare Rama Krishna| Dear Saumya, Human beings are lorded by the Moon, and the two types of Karma’s they carry with them are lorded by the two nodes of the Moon – Rahu and Ketu. Rahu shows all the intentional karma’s we perform, i.e. with a desire, whilst Ketu shows the headless karma’s – i.e. mistakes, accidents, etc. Both are karma’s; however the Rahu-type karma’s are worse than the Ketu-type. The Ketu-type karma’s can have a profound influence on ones death, or accidents. So yes – it will add to your karmic bank-balance – but the intensity may not be intense… you could have been warned not to drive in a place where there were many animals, etc. Also consider animals – their set of karma’s is different from that of humans, hence killing maybe necessary for them – yet will be without major karmic repercussions. As a result of living like an animal in this life – we may entertain that same destiny in the next. Best wishes, Visti. 1.5pt"> Visti Larsen yes"> visti (AT) (DOT) org font-style:italic">Powered by Plaxo ... Want a signature like this? saumya ray chaudhuri [saumya (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com] Monday, November 10, 2003 1:33 PM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm Respected Guruji, I am just extending this conversation little further. Suppose I kill animal (lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking down the street or driving a car. how this should be considered in the current context. Thank you again Pranam saumya Visti Larsen <balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote: margin-left:5.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> color:blue">|Hare Rama Krishna| color:blue">Dear Shunny, color:blue">Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s. color:blue">The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn, Mars… color:blue">As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian subject by encouraging killing. color:blue">Best wishes, Visti. color:blue"> color:blue"> shunny nigam [shunny65 ] Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:08 PM visti larsen Cc: Vedic Astrology [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm OM NAMO NARAYANA Dear Vistiji, I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit. Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument are a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can God be pleased? b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat? Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days. Shunny Nigam Delhi Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Archives: http://www..vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- ........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Archives: vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Saumya Ray Chaudhuri IMTECH,Sector 39A, Chandigarh-160036 ph 0172 690751(lab) Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Attachment: (application/octet-stream) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 |Hare Rama Krishna| Dear Kaimal, I knew someone was going to say something like this. You shouldn’t make such outbursts, its not appropriate, and looks childish, because you have not been following the discussion. The Haj is an offering to God, just as the asvameddha sacrifice was. However this type of offering will not benefit an astrologer, or priest in enhancing their knowledge, as it becomes an insult towards that form of God which is Jupiter and Mercury. Instead it could enhance strength, power, etc. Best wishes, 1.5pt"> Visti Larsen yes"> visti (AT) (DOT) org font-style:italic">Powered by Plaxo ... Want a signature like this? SRCKaimal [srckaimal (AT) asianetindia (DOT) com] Monday, October 27, 2003 9:33 AM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm Respected Gurujis, Is the slaughter of millions of dumb animals during Haj an insult to God?If it is ,then are we not also affected adeversely as we pretend not to notice these mass killings? Regards Kaimal margin-left:5.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - saumya ray chaudhuri vedic astrology Monday, November 10, 2003 6:02 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm Respected Guruji, I am just extending this conversation little further. Suppose I kill animal (lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking down the street or driving a car. how this should be considered in the current context. Thank you again Pranam saumya Visti Larsen <balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote: margin-left:5.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> color:blue">|Hare Rama Krishna| color:blue">Dear Shunny, color:blue">Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s. color:blue">The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn, Mars… color:blue">As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian subject by encouraging killing. color:blue">Best wishes, Visti. color:blue"> color:blue"> shunny nigam [shunny65 ] Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:08 PM visti larsen Cc: Vedic Astrology [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm OM NAMO NARAYANA Dear Vistiji, I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit. Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument are a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can God be pleased? b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat? Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days. Shunny Nigam Delhi To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Attachment: (application/octet-stream) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 This was a kind of the doubt that people had long before and continue to have even know why do the people offer sacrifices to the god in the form of killing animals. I would like to tell you a story that had happened at kanchipuram in kamakshi temple people at that village were performing similiar kind of sacrifices to the goddess at the temple when the Guru Sankaracharya noticed that he told the people that you are not supposed to perform such kind of act then the people said that in Lalitha sahasranama, it is said as Mamsa-istayai namah means she likes meat. and hence we offer meat then Sankara replied for that as " In this context the meat was the meat of the demons who created havoc among the people distrubing the people peace and habit we see lord kali having a garland of skulls those are the skulls of demons who created lot of trouble to people" By the way coming to your question of unknowing hurting someone.Actually speaking any thing done knowingly or unknowingly will have an affect. but any harm done unknowingly will have no effect. but there are occasion where a mistakes done unknowingly are punished. Regards, James.SRCKaimal <srckaimal (AT) asianetindia (DOT) com> wrote: Respected Gurujis, Is the slaughter of millions of dumb animals during Haj an insult to God?If it is ,then are we not also affected adeversely as we pretend not to notice these mass killings? Regards Kaimal - saumya ray chaudhuri vedic astrology Monday, November 10, 2003 6:02 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm Respected Guruji, I am just extending this conversation little further. Suppose I kill animal (lower or higher form) unknowingly while walking down the street or driving a car. how this should be considered in the current context. Thank you again Pranam saumyaVisti Larsen <balabhadra (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote: |Hare Rama Krishna| Dear Shunny, Like I said, there are various types of mantras, and hence also various types of Yajna’s. The Jeeva Graha’s are Jupiter and Mercury (some add Ketu), hence any killing during a ritual is certainly not to appease them. It’s more likely to appease the meat-eating graha’s – Rahu, Saturn, Mars… As astrologers, we would not be doing justice to this Jupiterian subject by encouraging killing. Best wishes, Visti. shunny nigam [shunny65 ] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:08 PMTo: visti larsenCc: Vedic Astrology[vedic astrology] Recite mantra and vegetariasm OM NAMO NARAYANA Dear Vistiji, I agree with you that killing of animal life is direct insult to God and mantra will not reap its fruit. Many people (Non-Veg) entertain wrong notions about Yajnas and immolation of animal. There argument are a) since animals are sacrificed (Bali in Hindi) in these Yajnas hence violence to life is involved so how can God be pleased? b) These Yajna have been invented to satisfy the gross desire to eat meat? Would you clear my doubts about the rational behind these animal immolations in Hinduism during Yajnas in olden days. Shunny Nigam Delhi Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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