Special Lagnas + Understanding Argalas

November 17, 2003

Dear Rajesh Ji

Thanks for your reply.

I think the statements you have quoted form Shri Rath Jis books(for

eg points 1 & 2) are like any other astrological rule for analysis

and hence cannot be applied as stand alone ones,am i right?.Because

if we apply this verbatim the results might not be consistent.So I

think shri Sanjay Rath Ji might be mentioning other factors to be

considered, somewhere else in the book or by default these factors

should be known to a good astrologer.Kindly correct me.

As i unfortunately don't have this book i checked BPHS for Argala.I

could learn about the things mentioned by you in the same

(BPHS).Thanks for this.So thus Argalas are like bolts which connect

planets/houses.This can act as a 'Shrinkhala' or a chain or series

for the planets with other important positions in the chart.(Argalas

from any house or planet are found in 2,4th,11th etc from it.And the

obstructions for argalas are found from 10th 12th and 3rd).

Thus i feel for any planet/house second from it represents its

growth.4th from it is important.11 th represents growth of 10th.So

the planets in these houses can influence the growth of these

houses.And these 'Argalas' provides a link for the growth of the

chart as a whole(growth depends on nature of Argala forming

planets).And hence if there is no obstruction to benefic Argalas, it

results in good(Thus to LAGNA and 7th should result in good

growth).Similarly if the Argala is bad then can we say obstruction

for that is good.?Kindly help me in understanding this.I have also

read that the net of Argala and obstruction has to be taken to

understand relative strength.

My initial question was related to 7th fom AL.This need not be Arudha

of 7th(Darapada)always.But your answer was pointing to A7.Could you

kindly help me regarding this as well,provided you have time.

Best Regds

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria"

<rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Although your question is not directed at me...If you kindly allow

me

> to interfere, I found some interesting answers from Shri Sanjay

> Rath's Jamini Sutras(1.3.17 Page 82)...also you have a good mind

> boggling question by the way.

>

> 1. "The darapada (A7) in a quadrant or trine from Arudha Lagna

brings

> the blessings of Sr Devi(prosperity and god fortune)" . " …The

> seventh house also decides matters pertaining to money and

business".

>

> 2. "If the Darapada is in other houses(other than the

> quadrants/trines) the native is unfortunate. `The Darapada in

> 6th/8th/12th houses from Arudha Lagna makes the couple inimically

> disposed dowards each other…not only is there poverty but the

couple

> are not physically compatible".

>

> 3. Also Stanza 1.3.22 says " Good fortune should be deuced if te

> lagna or the seventh have unobstructed argala".."Benefics causing

> argala on the lagna or the 7th house give wealth and

> prosperity"…"Natural benefics means employed and fruits are wealth,

> prosperity and well being…Natural malefics means fould means…and

the

> fruits thereof, in the long run, are bound to be adverse".

>

> So Thanks to Shri Rath, there are several clarifications already

> here. Now all we have to do is to apply these principles to

various

> charts. Good Luck.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> RMK

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear Sudharsan Ji

> >

> > Thanks for the detailed explanation.Doubts regarding 8th from AL

is

> > clear now.The example was also good.

> >

> > Ofcourse i have read the archives from this list as well as

achyuta

> > gurukulam.

> >

> > The questions were my doubts after reading those.Because

Narasimha

> > Ji has done some analysis with respect to Ghati Lagna alone.Thus

> the

> > doubt and the first mail regarding this from me.

> >

> > Now regarding 7th from AL.Exalted planets(benefics) aspecting AL

is

> > good.So this can sit in 7th from AL and still aspect.So you mean

to

> > say,suppose if this is a benefic like waxing moon or venus or

> > jupiter,they will lose their benefic nature and act as badhak

for

> > AL?

> >

> > Thanks again for the reply

> >

> > regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan <sudhar108>

> > wrote:

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Dont mean to intrude.You can read all about the special lagnas

if

> > you explore the archives. Narasimha ji and Sanjay ji have

explained

> > these lagnas and their use in great detail. Try the messages in

the

> > begining of this group i.e in 1999.In fact Narasimha starts the

> > discussion group with a post on Hora Lagna and Ghati Lagna. In

fact

> > I reccomend this to everyone as I myself benefitted greatly by

> > reading evey message by PVR and Sanjay ji right from inception.

> > >

> > > 8th from AL is the second from the 7th from AL. The 7th from AL

> > represents others(people). The second from the 7th i.e the 8th

> > represents the resources of others. Thus the 2nd house is your

> > resource while the 2nd from 7th. i,e 8th represents others

> resources.

> > >

> > > To give you an example, if you try for a new position while

> > continuing in you current job, you will most certainly be using

> your

> > current employers time to interview, use the current employers PC

> > for communicating with prospective employers etc. This is an

> example

> > of how you will improve your status(AL) by employing others (8th

> > house) resources.

> > >

> > > The 7th from AL is the opposition to that house. Any planet

that

> > is placed in it will lose its significance. A good example is the

> > placement of Rahu. Such people turn out to be very spiritual as

the

> > qualities of Rahu(base, tamasic, materialistic) are lost.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Hare Krishna

> > >

> > > Sudharsan

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > Dear Nitin Ji

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your explanation.

> > > I have also read a little about the Arudha Lagna and various

> > Arudha

> > > Padas and their significance.

> > >

> > > Why is 8th from AL considered as a resource? (2nd from AL i am

> > > thinking is the 'dhanasthana' for AL).Is it because 8th

> determines

> > > the duration or life of the manifestation.

> > > Why is seventh a Badhak? As it is opposite to the AL?In this

case

> > if

> > > the Badhakatipathi is well placed and is a benefic,then the

ends

> > > aimed by it should be for a good,though an obstacle.(I mean its

> > > effect should be good).Also planets well placed in

Badhakasthana

> > > will aspect AL and hence should bear good results.Am i thinking

> in

> > > the right direction here?

> > >

> > > Thanks again and regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Nitin"

> > <astronitin>

> > > wrote:

> > > > |Namah Shivaaya|

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > You have asked a good question. I would consider one taking a

> > more

> > > > wholistic picture and considering all factors to paint an

> > > integrated

> > > > picture of the chart.

> > > >

> > > > It also depends on what one is looking for? Are you

considering

> > > the

> > > > mind of the person (Chandra lagna), the physical body

(lagnesh)

> > > Satya

> > > > Peeth (Lagna) or how things will manifest in the material

word

> > > > (Arudha Lagna)?

> > > >

> > > > For example, there are many principles given in Jaimini

Sutras

> > > > regarding reading from the Arudha Lagna (AL), alone.

> > > >

> > > > 3rd / 6th from the AL reveals the courage and rivalry about a

> > > person.

> > > >

> > > > The Trines to the AL will give it direction, and a rise in

the

> > > image

> > > > wil occur.

> > > >

> > > > The 2nd and 8th from the AL will be resources to the image.

> > > >

> > > > The 7th will act like a baadhak (obstacle).

> > > >

> > > > So, in a similar fashion, one could examine the Hora, Ghati

and

> > > Shri

> > > > Lagna alone, but will miss on the entire picture.

> > > >

> > > > Hoep that some of this helps.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > Nitin.

> > > > :>

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > Dear and respected members

> > > > >

> > > > > I have read about the importance of special lagnas in

> > analysing

> > > > > charts.Apart from sun and moon there are others like

> > Ghati ,Hora

> > > > > representing power,wealth etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > But can we predict something based on just any one of these

> > > Lagnas?

> > > > > Because of permutation combinations we could always deduct

> > some

> > > > > yogas from some of these Lagnas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shouldnt these lagnas be used only as an additional

> > > > > confirmation.That is if some strength is present from

> > > Rashi,Chandra

> > > > > and Navamsha Varga, then we could go down to Ghati or Hora

or

> > > Sree

> > > > > etc.Forgive me if i am not correct here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Because if you get the chart of a popular person you could

> > > manage

> > > > to

> > > > > find some yogas from any of these lagnas and convince using

> > our

> > > > > skills.But from an unpopular(this is a vague term!) chart

can

> > we

> > > > > predict something based on these alone.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > Sponsor

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> >

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Please Chant ----

> > >

> > > HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

> > > KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE

> > > HARE RAMA HARE RAMA

> > > RAMA RAMA HARE HARE

> > >

> > > and Be happy

November 17, 2003

Dear Pradeep ji

Here are some quick replies:

Yes you are right, that no rules can be applied as stand alone, but

then when you combine some major rules to get a prediction, then each

indvidual major rule becomes a critical component. So these rules are

esential since they are part of the entire horoscope structure. Here

are some more rules which can complete this picture(from Shri Rath's

book on Jamini Sutras)

1. "Stanza 1.3.24 and 1.3.25 Lagna, Hora Lagna and Ghatika Lagna

apspected or conjoined by one planet produces a Rajyoga."...The

aspect or cojunction mentioned , could be to the first house or

seventh house (form the three acendants i.e. lagna, hora lagna or

ghatika lagna) and could occur in Rasi, Namsa or Drekkana charts

2. "For powerful Rajyoga, the lagna, hora lagna and ghatika lagna(or

their senth house) should be aspected by one planet.. If the planet

fails to aspect either one of the three , the Rajyoga is reduce and

of it fails to aspect/join two of the three ascendants, the Rajyoga

is even weaker."..."also Sun is required to initiate the yoga and

Moon to sustain it..So such a planet should be linked to Sun and Mon

als otherwise only some effects are observed in the dasa of such a

planet."

Now your original topic is Special Lagnas and you were focussing on

7th house from AL... you wanted to know whether opposition to the

image (AL) will cause problems(even if benefics are in 7th

house)...Hope I understand you correctly... So my atempt is to find

other factors related to 7th house and special lagnas which can

counter-act such an oppposition or improve the status quo...so I

found Darapada(A7) rules and special lagna rules...

Now when you combine these rules, and reach several small

interpretations, then combine them....

1.giving importance to strength of such a planet(yogada) and its

links to Lagna, HL and GL

2. Darpada strengthand its relationship with AL

3. Argalas to lagna and seventh house

4. opposition to image from planets in 7th from AL.

.....only then you can get a better picture about the predictions

based on Special lagnas. So each part is essential for the complete

prediction. ALso when you reach a conclusion based on some major

combinations, then that its self is one major prediction. Ofcourse

further for timing issues you have to go to dasas and transits.

Regards

RMK

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Rajesh Ji

>

> Thanks for your reply.

> I think the statements you have quoted form Shri Rath Jis books(for

> eg points 1 & 2) are like any other astrological rule for analysis

> and hence cannot be applied as stand alone ones,am i right?.Because

> if we apply this verbatim the results might not be consistent.So I

> think shri Sanjay Rath Ji might be mentioning other factors to be

> considered, somewhere else in the book or by default these factors

> should be known to a good astrologer.Kindly correct me.

>

> As i unfortunately don't have this book i checked BPHS for Argala.I

> could learn about the things mentioned by you in the same

> (BPHS).Thanks for this.So thus Argalas are like bolts which connect

> planets/houses.This can act as a 'Shrinkhala' or a chain or series

> for the planets with other important positions in the chart.

(Argalas

> from any house or planet are found in 2,4th,11th etc from it.And

the

> obstructions for argalas are found from 10th 12th and 3rd).

> Thus i feel for any planet/house second from it represents its

> growth.4th from it is important.11 th represents growth of 10th.So

> the planets in these houses can influence the growth of these

> houses.And these 'Argalas' provides a link for the growth of the

> chart as a whole(growth depends on nature of Argala forming

> planets).And hence if there is no obstruction to benefic Argalas,

it

> results in good(Thus to LAGNA and 7th should result in good

> growth).Similarly if the Argala is bad then can we say obstruction

> for that is good.?Kindly help me in understanding this.I have also

> read that the net of Argala and obstruction has to be taken to

> understand relative strength.

>

> My initial question was related to 7th fom AL.This need not be

Arudha

> of 7th(Darapada)always.But your answer was pointing to A7.Could you

> kindly help me regarding this as well,provided you have time.

>

> Best Regds

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria"

> <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > Although your question is not directed at me...If you kindly

allow

> me

> > to interfere, I found some interesting answers from Shri Sanjay

> > Rath's Jamini Sutras(1.3.17 Page 82)...also you have a good mind

> > boggling question by the way.

> >

> > 1. "The darapada (A7) in a quadrant or trine from Arudha Lagna

> brings

> > the blessings of Sr Devi(prosperity and god fortune)" . " …The

> > seventh house also decides matters pertaining to money and

> business".

> >

> > 2. "If the Darapada is in other houses(other than the

> > quadrants/trines) the native is unfortunate. `The Darapada in

> > 6th/8th/12th houses from Arudha Lagna makes the couple inimically

> > disposed dowards each other…not only is there poverty but the

> couple

> > are not physically compatible".

> >

> > 3. Also Stanza 1.3.22 says " Good fortune should be deuced if te

> > lagna or the seventh have unobstructed argala".."Benefics causing

> > argala on the lagna or the 7th house give wealth and

> > prosperity"…"Natural benefics means employed and fruits are

wealth,

> > prosperity and well being…Natural malefics means fould means…and

> the

> > fruits thereof, in the long run, are bound to be adverse".

> >

> > So Thanks to Shri Rath, there are several clarifications already

> > here. Now all we have to do is to apply these principles to

> various

> > charts. Good Luck.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > RMK

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > Dear Sudharsan Ji

> > >

> > > Thanks for the detailed explanation.Doubts regarding 8th from

AL

> is

> > > clear now.The example was also good.

> > >

> > > Ofcourse i have read the archives from this list as well as

> achyuta

> > > gurukulam.

> > >

> > > The questions were my doubts after reading those.Because

> Narasimha

> > > Ji has done some analysis with respect to Ghati Lagna

alone.Thus

> > the

> > > doubt and the first mail regarding this from me.

> > >

> > > Now regarding 7th from AL.Exalted planets(benefics) aspecting

AL

> is

> > > good.So this can sit in 7th from AL and still aspect.So you

mean

> to

> > > say,suppose if this is a benefic like waxing moon or venus or

> > > jupiter,they will lose their benefic nature and act as badhak

> for

> > > AL?

> > >

> > > Thanks again for the reply

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Dont mean to intrude.You can read all about the special

lagnas

> if

> > > you explore the archives. Narasimha ji and Sanjay ji have

> explained

> > > these lagnas and their use in great detail. Try the messages in

> the

> > > begining of this group i.e in 1999.In fact Narasimha starts the

> > > discussion group with a post on Hora Lagna and Ghati Lagna. In

> fact

> > > I reccomend this to everyone as I myself benefitted greatly by

> > > reading evey message by PVR and Sanjay ji right from inception.

> > > >

> > > > 8th from AL is the second from the 7th from AL. The 7th from

AL

> > > represents others(people). The second from the 7th i.e the 8th

> > > represents the resources of others. Thus the 2nd house is your

> > > resource while the 2nd from 7th. i,e 8th represents others

> > resources.

> > > >

> > > > To give you an example, if you try for a new position while

> > > continuing in you current job, you will most certainly be using

> > your

> > > current employers time to interview, use the current employers

PC

> > > for communicating with prospective employers etc. This is an

> > example

> > > of how you will improve your status(AL) by employing others

(8th

> > > house) resources.

> > > >

> > > > The 7th from AL is the opposition to that house. Any planet

> that

> > > is placed in it will lose its significance. A good example is

the

> > > placement of Rahu. Such people turn out to be very spiritual as

> the

> > > qualities of Rahu(base, tamasic, materialistic) are lost.

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > >

> > > > Hare Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Sudharsan

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > Dear Nitin Ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your explanation.

> > > > I have also read a little about the Arudha Lagna and various

> > > Arudha

> > > > Padas and their significance.

> > > >

> > > > Why is 8th from AL considered as a resource? (2nd from AL i

am

> > > > thinking is the 'dhanasthana' for AL).Is it because 8th

> > determines

> > > > the duration or life of the manifestation.

> > > > Why is seventh a Badhak? As it is opposite to the AL?In this

> case

> > > if

> > > > the Badhakatipathi is well placed and is a benefic,then the

> ends

> > > > aimed by it should be for a good,though an obstacle.(I mean

its

> > > > effect should be good).Also planets well placed in

> Badhakasthana

> > > > will aspect AL and hence should bear good results.Am i

thinking

> > in

> > > > the right direction here?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again and regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin"

> > > <astronitin>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > |Namah Shivaaya|

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > You have asked a good question. I would consider one taking

a

> > > more

> > > > > wholistic picture and considering all factors to paint an

> > > > integrated

> > > > > picture of the chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > It also depends on what one is looking for? Are you

> considering

> > > > the

> > > > > mind of the person (Chandra lagna), the physical body

> (lagnesh)

> > > > Satya

> > > > > Peeth (Lagna) or how things will manifest in the material

> word

> > > > > (Arudha Lagna)?

> > > > >

> > > > > For example, there are many principles given in Jaimini

> Sutras

> > > > > regarding reading from the Arudha Lagna (AL), alone.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3rd / 6th from the AL reveals the courage and rivalry about

a

> > > > person.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Trines to the AL will give it direction, and a rise in

> the

> > > > image

> > > > > wil occur.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 2nd and 8th from the AL will be resources to the image.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 7th will act like a baadhak (obstacle).

> > > > >

> > > > > So, in a similar fashion, one could examine the Hora, Ghati

> and

> > > > Shri

> > > > > Lagna alone, but will miss on the entire picture.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hoep that some of this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > Nitin.

> > > > > :>

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear and respected members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have read about the importance of special lagnas in

> > > analysing

> > > > > > charts.Apart from sun and moon there are others like

> > > Ghati ,Hora

> > > > > > representing power,wealth etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But can we predict something based on just any one of

these

> > > > Lagnas?

> > > > > > Because of permutation combinations we could always

deduct

> > > some

> > > > > > yogas from some of these Lagnas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shouldnt these lagnas be used only as an additional

> > > > > > confirmation.That is if some strength is present from

> > > > Rashi,Chandra

> > > > > > and Navamsha Varga, then we could go down to Ghati or

Hora

> or

> > > > Sree

> > > > > > etc.Forgive me if i am not correct here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Because if you get the chart of a popular person you

could

> > > > manage

> > > > > to

> > > > > > find some yogas from any of these lagnas and convince

using

> > > our

> > > > > > skills.But from an unpopular(this is a vague term!) chart

> can

> > > we

> > > > > > predict something based on these alone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > Sponsor

> > > >

> > > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > >

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > >

> > > > Terms of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > Please Chant ----

> > > >

> > > > HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

> > > > KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE

> > > > HARE RAMA HARE RAMA

> > > > RAMA RAMA HARE HARE

> > > >

> > > > and Be happy

November 17, 2003

Dear Rajesh Ji

Thanks for your detailed reply again.

Kindly call me pradeep.

I understand your reference as Maha Yogada.I thank Sanjay Rath Ji

and all for popularising Jaimini Sutras and publishing them on the

net.Otherwise it would have been difficult to get such info fast.

Eligiblity privilige for seventh from these lagnas was

informative.One doubt - can a planet aspect 2 of these lagnas and

aspect the seventh from the 3rd lagna and still be a Maha Yogada?

I have understood the other points from your mail.

Best regds & respect

Pradeep

ology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000>

wrote:

> Dear Pradeep ji

> Here are some quick replies:

> Yes you are right, that no rules can be applied as stand alone,

but

> then when you combine some major rules to get a prediction, then

each

> indvidual major rule becomes a critical component. So these rules

are

> esential since they are part of the entire horoscope structure.

Here

> are some more rules which can complete this picture(from Shri

Rath's

> book on Jamini Sutras)

>

> 1. "Stanza 1.3.24 and 1.3.25 Lagna, Hora Lagna and Ghatika Lagna

> apspected or conjoined by one planet produces a Rajyoga."...The

> aspect or cojunction mentioned , could be to the first house or

> seventh house (form the three acendants i.e. lagna, hora lagna or

> ghatika lagna) and could occur in Rasi, Namsa or Drekkana charts

> 2. "For powerful Rajyoga, the lagna, hora lagna and ghatika lagna

(or

> their senth house) should be aspected by one planet.. If the

planet

> fails to aspect either one of the three , the Rajyoga is reduce

and

> of it fails to aspect/join two of the three ascendants, the

Rajyoga

> is even weaker."..."also Sun is required to initiate the yoga and

> Moon to sustain it..So such a planet should be linked to Sun and

Mon

> als otherwise only some effects are observed in the dasa of such

a

> planet."

>

> Now your original topic is Special Lagnas and you were focussing

on

> 7th house from AL... you wanted to know whether opposition to the

> image (AL) will cause problems(even if benefics are in 7th

> house)...Hope I understand you correctly... So my atempt is to

find

> other factors related to 7th house and special lagnas which can

> counter-act such an oppposition or improve the status quo...so I

> found Darapada(A7) rules and special lagna rules...

>

> Now when you combine these rules, and reach several small

> interpretations, then combine them....

> 1.giving importance to strength of such a planet(yogada) and its

> links to Lagna, HL and GL

> 2. Darpada strengthand its relationship with AL

> 3. Argalas to lagna and seventh house

> 4. opposition to image from planets in 7th from AL.

>

> ....only then you can get a better picture about the predictions

> based on Special lagnas. So each part is essential for the

complete

> prediction. ALso when you reach a conclusion based on some major

> combinations, then that its self is one major prediction. Ofcourse

> further for timing issues you have to go to dasas and transits.

>

> Regards

> RMK

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear Rajesh Ji

> >

> > Thanks for your reply.

> > I think the statements you have quoted form Shri Rath Jis books

(for

> > eg points 1 & 2) are like any other astrological rule for

analysis

> > and hence cannot be applied as stand alone ones,am i

right?.Because

> > if we apply this verbatim the results might not be consistent.So

I

> > think shri Sanjay Rath Ji might be mentioning other factors to

be

> > considered, somewhere else in the book or by default these

factors

> > should be known to a good astrologer.Kindly correct me.

> >

> > As i unfortunately don't have this book i checked BPHS for

Argala.I

> > could learn about the things mentioned by you in the same

> > (BPHS).Thanks for this.So thus Argalas are like bolts which

connect

> > planets/houses.This can act as a 'Shrinkhala' or a chain or

series

> > for the planets with other important positions in the chart.

> (Argalas

> > from any house or planet are found in 2,4th,11th etc from it.And

> the

> > obstructions for argalas are found from 10th 12th and 3rd).

> > Thus i feel for any planet/house second from it represents its

> > growth.4th from it is important.11 th represents growth of

10th.So

> > the planets in these houses can influence the growth of these

> > houses.And these 'Argalas' provides a link for the growth of the

> > chart as a whole(growth depends on nature of Argala forming

> > planets).And hence if there is no obstruction to benefic

Argalas,

> it

> > results in good(Thus to LAGNA and 7th should result in good

> > growth).Similarly if the Argala is bad then can we say

obstruction

> > for that is good.?Kindly help me in understanding this.I have

also

> > read that the net of Argala and obstruction has to be taken to

> > understand relative strength.

> >

> > My initial question was related to 7th fom AL.This need not be

> Arudha

> > of 7th(Darapada)always.But your answer was pointing to A7.Could

you

> > kindly help me regarding this as well,provided you have time.

> >

> > Best Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria"

> > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Although your question is not directed at me...If you kindly

> allow

> > me

> > > to interfere, I found some interesting answers from Shri

Sanjay

> > > Rath's Jamini Sutras(1.3.17 Page 82)...also you have a good

mind

> > > boggling question by the way.

> > >

> > > 1. "The darapada (A7) in a quadrant or trine from Arudha Lagna

> > brings

> > > the blessings of Sr Devi(prosperity and god fortune)" . " …The

> > > seventh house also decides matters pertaining to money and

> > business".

> > >

> > > 2. "If the Darapada is in other houses(other than the

> > > quadrants/trines) the native is unfortunate. `The Darapada in

> > > 6th/8th/12th houses from Arudha Lagna makes the couple

inimically

> > > disposed dowards each other…not only is there poverty but the

> > couple

> > > are not physically compatible".

> > >

> > > 3. Also Stanza 1.3.22 says " Good fortune should be deuced if

te

> > > lagna or the seventh have unobstructed argala".."Benefics

causing

> > > argala on the lagna or the 7th house give wealth and

> > > prosperity"…"Natural benefics means employed and fruits are

> wealth,

> > > prosperity and well being…Natural malefics means fould means…

and

> > the

> > > fruits thereof, in the long run, are bound to be adverse".

> > >

> > > So Thanks to Shri Rath, there are several clarifications

already

> > > here. Now all we have to do is to apply these principles to

> > various

> > > charts. Good Luck.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > RMK

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > Dear Sudharsan Ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation.Doubts regarding 8th

from

> AL

> > is

> > > > clear now.The example was also good.

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse i have read the archives from this list as well as

> > achyuta

> > > > gurukulam.

> > > >

> > > > The questions were my doubts after reading those.Because

> > Narasimha

> > > > Ji has done some analysis with respect to Ghati Lagna

> alone.Thus

> > > the

> > > > doubt and the first mail regarding this from me.

> > > >

> > > > Now regarding 7th from AL.Exalted planets(benefics)

aspecting

> AL

> > is

> > > > good.So this can sit in 7th from AL and still aspect.So you

> mean

> > to

> > > > say,suppose if this is a benefic like waxing moon or venus

or

> > > > jupiter,they will lose their benefic nature and act as

badhak

> > for

> > > > AL?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again for the reply

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan

> <sudhar108>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > Dont mean to intrude.You can read all about the special

> lagnas

> > if

> > > > you explore the archives. Narasimha ji and Sanjay ji have

> > explained

> > > > these lagnas and their use in great detail. Try the messages

in

> > the

> > > > begining of this group i.e in 1999.In fact Narasimha starts

the

> > > > discussion group with a post on Hora Lagna and Ghati Lagna.

In

> > fact

> > > > I reccomend this to everyone as I myself benefitted greatly

by

> > > > reading evey message by PVR and Sanjay ji right from

inception.

> > > > >

> > > > > 8th from AL is the second from the 7th from AL. The 7th

from

> AL

> > > > represents others(people). The second from the 7th i.e the

8th

> > > > represents the resources of others. Thus the 2nd house is

your

> > > > resource while the 2nd from 7th. i,e 8th represents others

> > > resources.

> > > > >

> > > > > To give you an example, if you try for a new position

while

> > > > continuing in you current job, you will most certainly be

using

> > > your

> > > > current employers time to interview, use the current

employers

> PC

> > > > for communicating with prospective employers etc. This is an

> > > example

> > > > of how you will improve your status(AL) by employing others

> (8th

> > > > house) resources.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 7th from AL is the opposition to that house. Any

planet

> > that

> > > > is placed in it will lose its significance. A good example

is

> the

> > > > placement of Rahu. Such people turn out to be very spiritual

as

> > the

> > > > qualities of Rahu(base, tamasic, materialistic) are lost.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Sudharsan

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Nitin Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your explanation.

> > > > > I have also read a little about the Arudha Lagna and

various

> > > > Arudha

> > > > > Padas and their significance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why is 8th from AL considered as a resource? (2nd from AL

i

> am

> > > > > thinking is the 'dhanasthana' for AL).Is it because 8th

> > > determines

> > > > > the duration or life of the manifestation.

> > > > > Why is seventh a Badhak? As it is opposite to the AL?In

this

> > case

> > > > if

> > > > > the Badhakatipathi is well placed and is a benefic,then

the

> > ends

> > > > > aimed by it should be for a good,though an obstacle.(I

mean

> its

> > > > > effect should be good).Also planets well placed in

> > Badhakasthana

> > > > > will aspect AL and hence should bear good results.Am i

> thinking

> > > in

> > > > > the right direction here?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again and regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin"

> > > > <astronitin>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > |Namah Shivaaya|

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have asked a good question. I would consider one

taking

> a

> > > > more

> > > > > > wholistic picture and considering all factors to paint

an

> > > > > integrated

> > > > > > picture of the chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It also depends on what one is looking for? Are you

> > considering

> > > > > the

> > > > > > mind of the person (Chandra lagna), the physical body

> > (lagnesh)

> > > > > Satya

> > > > > > Peeth (Lagna) or how things will manifest in the

material

> > word

> > > > > > (Arudha Lagna)?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For example, there are many principles given in Jaimini

> > Sutras

> > > > > > regarding reading from the Arudha Lagna (AL), alone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3rd / 6th from the AL reveals the courage and rivalry

about

> a

> > > > > person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Trines to the AL will give it direction, and a rise

in

> > the

> > > > > image

> > > > > > wil occur.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The 2nd and 8th from the AL will be resources to the

image.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The 7th will act like a baadhak (obstacle).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, in a similar fashion, one could examine the Hora,

Ghati

> > and

> > > > > Shri

> > > > > > Lagna alone, but will miss on the entire picture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hoep that some of this helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > > Nitin.

> > > > > > :>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear and respected members

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have read about the importance of special lagnas in

> > > > analysing

> > > > > > > charts.Apart from sun and moon there are others like

> > > > Ghati ,Hora

> > > > > > > representing power,wealth etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But can we predict something based on just any one of

> these

> > > > > Lagnas?

> > > > > > > Because of permutation combinations we could always

> deduct

> > > > some

> > > > > > > yogas from some of these Lagnas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shouldnt these lagnas be used only as an additional

> > > > > > > confirmation.That is if some strength is present from

> > > > > Rashi,Chandra

> > > > > > > and Navamsha Varga, then we could go down to Ghati or

> Hora

> > or

> > > > > Sree

> > > > > > > etc.Forgive me if i am not correct here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Because if you get the chart of a popular person you

> could

> > > > > manage

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > find some yogas from any of these lagnas and convince

> using

> > > > our

> > > > > > > skills.But from an unpopular(this is a vague term!)

chart

> > can

> > > > we

> > > > > > > predict something based on these alone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > Sponsor

> > > > >

> > > > > Group info: vedic-

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November 17, 2003

Dear Pradeep

(please just call me Rajesh or RMK)

Yes as per definition of Yogada, the planet will qualify when it

aspects 2 of the lagnas and the aspects the seventh from 3rd lagna. I

am not sure about the term " MahaYogada"... But I assume that the so

called Yogada must be strong it self i.e., Its placed in its exalted,

own or freindly sign and is not combust or afflicted or involved in

Rashi Sandhi etc., otherwise it may not qualify as a yogada if its

weak itself. Also we are assuming here that the yogada planet to be

Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka and involved in other rajyogas

(as mentioned by Sarajit and others).

Infact you have another good question arising here: what is the

definition of Yogada or MahaYogada planet? Hope others will give

their valuable input.

Infact we should have a list of major rajayogas(time permitting)

involving various karakas(Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka) to

make things clear, before we jump to the conclusion that the planet

is yogada/a strong planet and start computing various dasas involving

Special Lagnas. Infact we may end up exploring the entire Jamini

Sutras and timing issues in this entire process(and all those people

who are searching jobs, businesses etc., may get another dimension to

explore here...so special lagnas are critical and all thanks really

goes to Shri Sanjay Rath only.)

Thanks and regards

RMK

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Rajesh Ji

>

> Thanks for your detailed reply again.

> Kindly call me pradeep.

>

> I understand your reference as Maha Yogada.I thank Sanjay Rath Ji

> and all for popularising Jaimini Sutras and publishing them on the

> net.Otherwise it would have been difficult to get such info fast.

>

> Eligiblity privilige for seventh from these lagnas was

> informative.One doubt - can a planet aspect 2 of these lagnas and

> aspect the seventh from the 3rd lagna and still be a Maha Yogada?

>

> I have understood the other points from your mail.

>

> Best regds & respect

> Pradeep

>

> ology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000>

> wrote:

> > Dear Pradeep ji

> > Here are some quick replies:

> > Yes you are right, that no rules can be applied as stand alone,

> but

> > then when you combine some major rules to get a prediction, then

> each

> > indvidual major rule becomes a critical component. So these rules

> are

> > esential since they are part of the entire horoscope structure.

> Here

> > are some more rules which can complete this picture(from Shri

> Rath's

> > book on Jamini Sutras)

> >

> > 1. "Stanza 1.3.24 and 1.3.25 Lagna, Hora Lagna and Ghatika Lagna

> > apspected or conjoined by one planet produces a Rajyoga."...The

> > aspect or cojunction mentioned , could be to the first house or

> > seventh house (form the three acendants i.e. lagna, hora lagna or

> > ghatika lagna) and could occur in Rasi, Namsa or Drekkana charts

> > 2. "For powerful Rajyoga, the lagna, hora lagna and ghatika lagna

> (or

> > their senth house) should be aspected by one planet.. If the

> planet

> > fails to aspect either one of the three , the Rajyoga is reduce

> and

> > of it fails to aspect/join two of the three ascendants, the

> Rajyoga

> > is even weaker."..."also Sun is required to initiate the yoga and

> > Moon to sustain it..So such a planet should be linked to Sun and

> Mon

> > als otherwise only some effects are observed in the dasa of such

> a

> > planet."

> >

> > Now your original topic is Special Lagnas and you were focussing

> on

> > 7th house from AL... you wanted to know whether opposition to the

> > image (AL) will cause problems(even if benefics are in 7th

> > house)...Hope I understand you correctly... So my atempt is to

> find

> > other factors related to 7th house and special lagnas which can

> > counter-act such an oppposition or improve the status quo...so I

> > found Darapada(A7) rules and special lagna rules...

> >

> > Now when you combine these rules, and reach several small

> > interpretations, then combine them....

> > 1.giving importance to strength of such a planet(yogada) and its

> > links to Lagna, HL and GL

> > 2. Darpada strengthand its relationship with AL

> > 3. Argalas to lagna and seventh house

> > 4. opposition to image from planets in 7th from AL.

> >

> > ....only then you can get a better picture about the predictions

> > based on Special lagnas. So each part is essential for the

> complete

> > prediction. ALso when you reach a conclusion based on some major

> > combinations, then that its self is one major prediction.

Ofcourse

> > further for timing issues you have to go to dasas and transits.

> >

> > Regards

> > RMK

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > Dear Rajesh Ji

> > >

> > > Thanks for your reply.

> > > I think the statements you have quoted form Shri Rath Jis books

> (for

> > > eg points 1 & 2) are like any other astrological rule for

> analysis

> > > and hence cannot be applied as stand alone ones,am i

> right?.Because

> > > if we apply this verbatim the results might not be

consistent.So

> I

> > > think shri Sanjay Rath Ji might be mentioning other factors to

> be

> > > considered, somewhere else in the book or by default these

> factors

> > > should be known to a good astrologer.Kindly correct me.

> > >

> > > As i unfortunately don't have this book i checked BPHS for

> Argala.I

> > > could learn about the things mentioned by you in the same

> > > (BPHS).Thanks for this.So thus Argalas are like bolts which

> connect

> > > planets/houses.This can act as a 'Shrinkhala' or a chain or

> series

> > > for the planets with other important positions in the chart.

> > (Argalas

> > > from any house or planet are found in 2,4th,11th etc from

it.And

> > the

> > > obstructions for argalas are found from 10th 12th and 3rd).

> > > Thus i feel for any planet/house second from it represents its

> > > growth.4th from it is important.11 th represents growth of

> 10th.So

> > > the planets in these houses can influence the growth of these

> > > houses.And these 'Argalas' provides a link for the growth of

the

> > > chart as a whole(growth depends on nature of Argala forming

> > > planets).And hence if there is no obstruction to benefic

> Argalas,

> > it

> > > results in good(Thus to LAGNA and 7th should result in good

> > > growth).Similarly if the Argala is bad then can we say

> obstruction

> > > for that is good.?Kindly help me in understanding this.I have

> also

> > > read that the net of Argala and obstruction has to be taken to

> > > understand relative strength.

> > >

> > > My initial question was related to 7th fom AL.This need not be

> > Arudha

> > > of 7th(Darapada)always.But your answer was pointing to A7.Could

> you

> > > kindly help me regarding this as well,provided you have time.

> > >

> > > Best Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria"

> > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Although your question is not directed at me...If you kindly

> > allow

> > > me

> > > > to interfere, I found some interesting answers from Shri

> Sanjay

> > > > Rath's Jamini Sutras(1.3.17 Page 82)...also you have a good

> mind

> > > > boggling question by the way.

> > > >

> > > > 1. "The darapada (A7) in a quadrant or trine from Arudha

Lagna

> > > brings

> > > > the blessings of Sr Devi(prosperity and god fortune)" . " …

The

> > > > seventh house also decides matters pertaining to money and

> > > business".

> > > >

> > > > 2. "If the Darapada is in other houses(other than the

> > > > quadrants/trines) the native is unfortunate. `The Darapada in

> > > > 6th/8th/12th houses from Arudha Lagna makes the couple

> inimically

> > > > disposed dowards each other…not only is there poverty but the

> > > couple

> > > > are not physically compatible".

> > > >

> > > > 3. Also Stanza 1.3.22 says " Good fortune should be deuced if

> te

> > > > lagna or the seventh have unobstructed argala".."Benefics

> causing

> > > > argala on the lagna or the 7th house give wealth and

> > > > prosperity"…"Natural benefics means employed and fruits are

> > wealth,

> > > > prosperity and well being…Natural malefics means fould means…

> and

> > > the

> > > > fruits thereof, in the long run, are bound to be adverse".

> > > >

> > > > So Thanks to Shri Rath, there are several clarifications

> already

> > > > here. Now all we have to do is to apply these principles to

> > > various

> > > > charts. Good Luck.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > RMK

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sudharsan Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation.Doubts regarding 8th

> from

> > AL

> > > is

> > > > > clear now.The example was also good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ofcourse i have read the archives from this list as well as

> > > achyuta

> > > > > gurukulam.

> > > > >

> > > > > The questions were my doubts after reading those.Because

> > > Narasimha

> > > > > Ji has done some analysis with respect to Ghati Lagna

> > alone.Thus

> > > > the

> > > > > doubt and the first mail regarding this from me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now regarding 7th from AL.Exalted planets(benefics)

> aspecting

> > AL

> > > is

> > > > > good.So this can sit in 7th from AL and still aspect.So you

> > mean

> > > to

> > > > > say,suppose if this is a benefic like waxing moon or venus

> or

> > > > > jupiter,they will lose their benefic nature and act as

> badhak

> > > for

> > > > > AL?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again for the reply

> > > > >

> > > > > regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan

> > <sudhar108>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dont mean to intrude.You can read all about the special

> > lagnas

> > > if

> > > > > you explore the archives. Narasimha ji and Sanjay ji have

> > > explained

> > > > > these lagnas and their use in great detail. Try the

messages

> in

> > > the

> > > > > begining of this group i.e in 1999.In fact Narasimha starts

> the

> > > > > discussion group with a post on Hora Lagna and Ghati Lagna.

> In

> > > fact

> > > > > I reccomend this to everyone as I myself benefitted greatly

> by

> > > > > reading evey message by PVR and Sanjay ji right from

> inception.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8th from AL is the second from the 7th from AL. The 7th

> from

> > AL

> > > > > represents others(people). The second from the 7th i.e the

> 8th

> > > > > represents the resources of others. Thus the 2nd house is

> your

> > > > > resource while the 2nd from 7th. i,e 8th represents others

> > > > resources.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To give you an example, if you try for a new position

> while

> > > > > continuing in you current job, you will most certainly be

> using

> > > > your

> > > > > current employers time to interview, use the current

> employers

> > PC

> > > > > for communicating with prospective employers etc. This is

an

> > > > example

> > > > > of how you will improve your status(AL) by employing others

> > (8th

> > > > > house) resources.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The 7th from AL is the opposition to that house. Any

> planet

> > > that

> > > > > is placed in it will lose its significance. A good example

> is

> > the

> > > > > placement of Rahu. Such people turn out to be very

spiritual

> as

> > > the

> > > > > qualities of Rahu(base, tamasic, materialistic) are lost.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sudharsan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Nitin Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your explanation.

> > > > > > I have also read a little about the Arudha Lagna and

> various

> > > > > Arudha

> > > > > > Padas and their significance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why is 8th from AL considered as a resource? (2nd from AL

> i

> > am

> > > > > > thinking is the 'dhanasthana' for AL).Is it because 8th

> > > > determines

> > > > > > the duration or life of the manifestation.

> > > > > > Why is seventh a Badhak? As it is opposite to the AL?In

> this

> > > case

> > > > > if

> > > > > > the Badhakatipathi is well placed and is a benefic,then

> the

> > > ends

> > > > > > aimed by it should be for a good,though an obstacle.(I

> mean

> > its

> > > > > > effect should be good).Also planets well placed in

> > > Badhakasthana

> > > > > > will aspect AL and hence should bear good results.Am i

> > thinking

> > > > in

> > > > > > the right direction here?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks again and regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Nitin"

> > > > > <astronitin>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > |Namah Shivaaya|

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have asked a good question. I would consider one

> taking

> > a

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > wholistic picture and considering all factors to paint

> an

> > > > > > integrated

> > > > > > > picture of the chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It also depends on what one is looking for? Are you

> > > considering

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > mind of the person (Chandra lagna), the physical body

> > > (lagnesh)

> > > > > > Satya

> > > > > > > Peeth (Lagna) or how things will manifest in the

> material

> > > word

> > > > > > > (Arudha Lagna)?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For example, there are many principles given in Jaimini

> > > Sutras

> > > > > > > regarding reading from the Arudha Lagna (AL), alone.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3rd / 6th from the AL reveals the courage and rivalry

> about

> > a

> > > > > > person.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Trines to the AL will give it direction, and a rise

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > image

> > > > > > > wil occur.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The 2nd and 8th from the AL will be resources to the

> image.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The 7th will act like a baadhak (obstacle).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, in a similar fashion, one could examine the Hora,

> Ghati

> > > and

> > > > > > Shri

> > > > > > > Lagna alone, but will miss on the entire picture.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hoep that some of this helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > > > Nitin.

> > > > > > > :>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic-

> astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear and respected members

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have read about the importance of special lagnas in

> > > > > analysing

> > > > > > > > charts.Apart from sun and moon there are others like

> > > > > Ghati ,Hora

> > > > > > > > representing power,wealth etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But can we predict something based on just any one of

> > these

> > > > > > Lagnas?

> > > > > > > > Because of permutation combinations we could always

> > deduct

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > yogas from some of these Lagnas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shouldnt these lagnas be used only as an additional

> > > > > > > > confirmation.That is if some strength is present from

> > > > > > Rashi,Chandra

> > > > > > > > and Navamsha Varga, then we could go down to Ghati or

> > Hora

> > > or

> > > > > > Sree

> > > > > > > > etc.Forgive me if i am not correct here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Because if you get the chart of a popular person you

> > could

> > > > > > manage

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > find some yogas from any of these lagnas and convince

> > using

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > skills.But from an unpopular(this is a vague term!)

> chart

> > > can

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > predict something based on these alone.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sponsor

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Group info: vedic-

> > > astrology/info.html

> > > > > >

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> > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Terms

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> > > > > Service.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please Chant ----

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> > > > > > HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

> > > > > > KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE

> > > > > > HARE RAMA HARE RAMA

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > and Be happy

November 17, 2003

Please let me know if Mars is a Yogada in this particluar case. Aries is HL,

Cancer is GL and Scorpio is BL. Mars and Moon both are in Aries. Now Mars has a

4th house aspect to Cancer and an 8th House Aspect to Scorpio. Besides he is

associated with Moon who is the GL Lord and Mars is strong in his Mool Trikona

house.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Regards,

Arun"Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000 > wrote:

Dear Pradeep(please just call me Rajesh or RMK)Yes as per definition of Yogada,

the planet will qualify when it aspects 2 of the lagnas and the aspects the

seventh from 3rd lagna. I am not sure about the term " MahaYogada"... But I

assume that the so called Yogada must be strong it self i.e., Its placed in its

exalted, own or freindly sign and is not combust or afflicted or involved in

Rashi Sandhi etc., otherwise it may not qualify as a yogada if its weak itself.

Also we are assuming here that the yogada planet to be

Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka and involved in other rajyogas(as

mentioned by Sarajit and others). Infact you have another good question arising

here: what is the definition of Yogada or MahaYogada planet? Hope others will

give their valuable input.Infact we should have a list of major

rajayogas(time permitting) involving various

karakas(Atamkaraka/Amatyakaraka/Bhratri karaka) to make things clear, before we

jump to the conclusion that the planet is yogada/a strong planet and start

computing various dasas involving Special Lagnas. Infact we may end up

exploring the entire Jamini Sutras and timing issues in this entire process(and

all those people who are searching jobs, businesses etc., may get another

dimension to explore here...so special lagnas are critical and all thanks

really goes to Shri Sanjay Rath only.)Thanks and regardsRMK--- In

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep>

wrote:> Dear Rajesh Ji> > Thanks for your detailed reply again.> Kindly call me

pradeep.> > I understand your reference as Maha Yogada.I thank Sanjay Rath Ji >

and all for popularising Jaimini Sutras and publishing them on the >

net.Otherwise it would have been difficult to get such info fast.> > Eligiblity

privilige for seventh from these lagnas was > informative.One doubt - can a

planet aspect 2 of these lagnas and > aspect the seventh from the 3rd lagna and

still be a Maha Yogada?> > I have understood the other points from your mail.> >

Best regds & respect> Pradeep > > ology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria"

<rajeshkumaria2000> > wrote:> > Dear Pradeep ji> > Here are some quick

replies:> > Yes you are right, that no rules can be applied as stand alone, >

but > > then when you combine some major rules to get a prediction, then > each

> > indvidual major rule becomes a critical component. So these rules > are > >

esential since they are part of the entire horoscope structure. > Here > > are

some more

rules which can complete this picture(from Shri > Rath's > > book on Jamini

Sutras)> > > > 1. "Stanza 1.3.24 and 1.3.25 Lagna, Hora Lagna and Ghatika Lagna

> > apspected or conjoined by one planet produces a Rajyoga."...The > > aspect

or cojunction mentioned , could be to the first house or > > seventh house

(form the three acendants i.e. lagna, hora lagna or > > ghatika lagna) and

could occur in Rasi, Namsa or Drekkana charts> > 2. "For powerful Rajyoga, the

lagna, hora lagna and ghatika lagna> (or > > their senth house) should be

aspected by one planet.. If the > planet > > fails to aspect either one of the

three , the Rajyoga is reduce > and > > of it fails to aspect/join two of the

three ascendants, the > Rajyoga > > is even weaker."..."also Sun is required to

initiate the yoga and > > Moon to sustain it..So

such a planet should be linked to Sun and > Mon > > als otherwise only some

effects are observed in the dasa of such > a > > planet."> > > > Now your

original topic is Special Lagnas and you were focussing > on > > 7th house from

AL... you wanted to know whether opposition to the > > image (AL) will cause

problems(even if benefics are in 7th > > house)...Hope I understand you

correctly... So my atempt is to > find > > other factors related to 7th house

and special lagnas which can > > counter-act such an oppposition or improve the

status quo...so I > > found Darapada(A7) rules and special lagna rules... > > >

> Now when you combine these rules, and reach several small > >

interpretations, then combine them....> > 1.giving importance to strength of

such a planet(yogada) and its > > links to Lagna, HL

and GL> > 2. Darpada strengthand its relationship with AL > > 3. Argalas to

lagna and seventh house> > 4. opposition to image from planets in 7th from AL.>

> > > ....only then you can get a better picture about the predictions > > based

on Special lagnas. So each part is essential for the > complete > > prediction.

ALso when you reach a conclusion based on some major > > combinations, then

that its self is one major prediction. Ofcourse > > further for timing issues

you have to go to dasas and transits. > > > > Regards> > RMK> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > >

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > Dear Rajesh Ji> > > > > > Thanks for your

reply.> > > I think the statements you have quoted form Shri Rath Jis

books> (for > > > eg points 1 & 2) are like any other astrological rule for >

analysis > > > and hence cannot be applied as stand alone ones,am i >

right?.Because > > > if we apply this verbatim the results might not be

consistent.So > I > > > think shri Sanjay Rath Ji might be mentioning other

factors to > be > > > considered, somewhere else in the book or by default

these > factors > > > should be known to a good astrologer.Kindly correct me.>

> > > > > As i unfortunately don't have this book i checked BPHS for > Argala.I

> > > could learn about the things mentioned by you in the same> > >

(BPHS).Thanks for this.So thus Argalas are like bolts which > connect > > >

planets/houses.This can act as a 'Shrinkhala' or a chain or > series > > > for

the planets with

other important positions in the chart.> > (Argalas > > > from any house or

planet are found in 2,4th,11th etc from it.And > > the > > > obstructions for

argalas are found from 10th 12th and 3rd).> > > Thus i feel for any

planet/house second from it represents its > > > growth.4th from it is

important.11 th represents growth of > 10th.So > > > the planets in these

houses can influence the growth of these > > > houses.And these 'Argalas'

provides a link for the growth of the > > > chart as a whole(growth depends on

nature of Argala forming > > > planets).And hence if there is no obstruction to

benefic > Argalas, > > it > > > results in good(Thus to LAGNA and 7th should

result in good > > > growth).Similarly if the Argala is bad then can we say >

obstruction > > > for that is

good.?Kindly help me in understanding this.I have > also > > > read that the net

of Argala and obstruction has to be taken to > > > understand relative strength.

> > > > > > My initial question was related to 7th fom AL.This need not be > >

Arudha > > > of 7th(Darapada)always.But your answer was pointing to A7.Could >

you > > > kindly help me regarding this as well,provided you have time.> > > >

> > Best Regds> > > Pradeep> > > > > > vedic astrology,

"Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:> > > > Dear Pradeep,>

> > > > > > > Although your question is not directed at me...If you kindly > >

allow > > > me > > > > to interfere, I found some interesting answers from Shri

> Sanjay > > > > Rath's Jamini Sutras(1.3.17 Page 82)...also you have a good >

mind > > > > boggling question by the way.> > > > > > > > 1. "The darapada (A7)

in a quadrant or trine from Arudha Lagna > > > brings > > > > the blessings of

Sr Devi(prosperity and god fortune)" . " …The > > > > seventh house also

decides matters pertaining to money and > > > business".> > > > > > > > 2. "If

the Darapada is in other houses(other than the > > > > quadrants/trines) the

native is unfortunate. `The Darapada in > > > > 6th/8th/12th houses from Arudha

Lagna makes the couple > inimically > > > > disposed dowards each other…not only

is there poverty but the > > > couple > > > > are not physically compatible".> >

> > >

> > > 3. Also Stanza 1.3.22 says " Good fortune should be deuced if > te > > > >

lagna or the seventh have unobstructed argala".."Benefics > causing > > > >

argala on the lagna or the 7th house give wealth and > > > >

prosperity"…"Natural benefics means employed and fruits are > > wealth, > > > >

prosperity and well being…Natural malefics means fould means…> and > > > the > >

> > fruits thereof, in the long run, are bound to be adverse".> > > > > > > > So

Thanks to Shri Rath, there are several clarifications > already > > > > here.

Now all we have to do is to apply these principles to > > > various > > > >

charts. Good Luck.> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > RMK> > > > > > > >

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > >

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > Dear Sudharsan Ji> > > > > > > > > >

Thanks for the detailed explanation.Doubts regarding 8th > from > > AL > > > is

> > > > > clear now.The example was also good.> > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse i

have read the archives from this list as well as > > > achyuta > > > > >

gurukulam.> > > > > > > > > > The questions were my doubts after reading

those.Because > > > Narasimha > > > > > Ji has done some analysis with respect

to Ghati Lagna > > alone.Thus > > > > the > > > > > doubt and the first mail

regarding this from me.> > > > > > > > >

> Now regarding 7th from AL.Exalted planets(benefics) > aspecting > > AL > > >

is > > > > > good.So this can sit in 7th from AL and still aspect.So you > >

mean > > > to > > > > > say,suppose if this is a benefic like waxing moon or

venus > or > > > > > jupiter,they will lose their benefic nature and act as >

badhak > > > for > > > > > AL?> > > > > > > > > > Thanks again for the reply> >

> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan > > <sudhar108> > > > > >

wrote:> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > > > > > Dont mean to intrude.You can

read all about the special > > lagnas > > > if > > > > > you explore the

archives. Narasimha ji and Sanjay ji have > > > explained > > > > > these

lagnas and their use in great detail. Try the messages > in > > > the > > > > >

begining of this group i.e in 1999.In fact Narasimha starts > the > > > > >

discussion group with a post on Hora Lagna and Ghati Lagna. > In > > > fact > >

> > > I reccomend this to everyone as I myself benefitted greatly > by > > > > >

reading evey message by PVR and Sanjay ji right from > inception.> > > > > > >

> > > > > 8th from AL is the second from the 7th

from AL. The 7th > from > > AL > > > > > represents others(people). The second

from the 7th i.e the > 8th > > > > > represents the resources of others. Thus

the 2nd house is > your > > > > > resource while the 2nd from 7th. i,e 8th

represents others > > > > resources.> > > > > > > > > > > > To give you an

example, if you try for a new position > while > > > > > continuing in you

current job, you will most certainly be > using > > > > your > > > > > current

employers time to interview, use the current > employers > > PC > > > > > for

communicating with prospective employers etc. This is an > > > > example > > >

> > of how you will improve your status(AL) by employing others >

> (8th > > > > > house) resources.> > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th from AL is the

opposition to that house. Any > planet > > > that > > > > > is placed in it will

lose its significance. A good example > is > > the > > > > > placement of Rahu.

Such people turn out to be very spiritual > as > > > the > > > > > qualities of

Rahu(base, tamasic, materialistic) are lost.> > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this

helps.> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna> > > > > > > > > > > > Sudharsan >

> > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > >

> Dear Nitin Ji> >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your explanation.> > > > > > I have also

read a little about the Arudha Lagna and > various > > > > > Arudha > > > > > >

Padas and their significance.> > > > > > > > > > > > Why is 8th from AL

considered as a resource? (2nd from AL > i > > am > > > > > > thinking is the

'dhanasthana' for AL).Is it because 8th > > > > determines > > > > > > the

duration or life of the manifestation.> > > > > > Why is seventh a Badhak? As

it is opposite to the AL?In > this > > > case > > > > > if > > > > > > the

Badhakatipathi is well placed and is a benefic,then > the > > > ends > > > > >

> aimed by it should be for a

good,though an obstacle.(I > mean > > its > > > > > > effect should be

good).Also planets well placed in > > > Badhakasthana > > > > > > will aspect

AL and hence should bear good results.Am i > > thinking > > > > in > > > > > >

the right direction here?> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again and regds> > > >

> > Pradeep> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

"Nitin" > > > > > <astronitin> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > |Namah

Shivaaya|> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

You have asked a good question. I would

consider one > taking > > a > > > > > more > > > > > > > wholistic picture and

considering all factors to paint > an > > > > > > integrated > > > > > > >

picture of the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It also depends on what one

is looking for? Are you > > > considering > > > > > > the > > > > > > > mind of

the person (Chandra lagna), the physical body > > > (lagnesh) > > > > > > Satya

> > > > > > > Peeth (Lagna) or how things will manifest in the > material > > >

word > > > > > > > (Arudha Lagna)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example,

there are many principles given in Jaimini > > > Sutras

> > > > > > > regarding reading from the Arudha Lagna (AL), alone. > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3rd / 6th from the AL reveals the courage and rivalry > about > >

a > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Trines to the AL will

give it direction, and a rise > in > > > the > > > > > > image > > > > > > >

wil occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 2nd and 8th from the AL will be

resources to the > image. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th will act like a

baadhak (obstacle). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in a similar fashion, one

could examine the Hora, > Ghati > > > and

> > > > > > Shri > > > > > > > Lagna alone, but will miss on the entire picture.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoep that some of this helps. > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > > > > > Nitin.> > > > > > > :>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-> astrology,

"vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> > > > > > >

> Dear and respected members> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read about

the importance of special lagnas in > > > > > analysing > > > > > > > >

charts.Apart from sun and moon there are others like > > > > > Ghati ,Hora > > >

> > > > > representing power,wealth etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But can

we predict something based on just any one of > > these > > > > > > Lagnas?> >

> > > > > > Because of permutation combinations we could always > > deduct > >

> > > some > > > > > > > > yogas from some of these Lagnas.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Shouldnt these lagnas be used only as an additional > > > > > > > >

confirmation.That is if some strength is present from > > > > > > Rashi,Chandra

> > > > > > > > and Navamsha Varga, then we could go down to Ghati or > >

Hora > > > or > > > > > > Sree > > > > > > > > etc.Forgive me if i am not

correct here.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because if you get the chart of a

popular person you > > could > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > to > > > > > > >

> find some yogas from any of these lagnas and convince > > using > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > skills.But from an unpopular(this is a vague term!) > chart > >

> can > > > > > we > > > > > > > > predict something based on these alone.> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > > > > > > >

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November 17, 2003

Both planets are yogada p/Mars and Moon/- you missed to tell where Lagna is, and

if it's aspected as well- for any promise of special lagna, yogada planet, to be

be experienced by native, they have to aspect Lagna. Otherwise, gains/HL/,

power/GL will go to some other person as indicated by existing aspect in chart.

Regards,

Anna

Arun Kalyanaraman <asgoodasitgets75 > wrote:

Dear Rajeshji,