Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Hello Narsimha: Excellent prediction and congrajulations. It takes a lot of confidence in one's skills to take up the challenge and make a prediction. It further takes a lot of BALLS to make a PUBLIC prediction. Well done Narsimha. You predicted a powerful raj yog in the dasa pravesh chart of my Aries Narayana dasa and I'm hoping this raj yog too fructifies as the VRY yog you predicted in Sachin's tithi pravesh chart which did indeed fructify. Narsimha, will Sachin continue this success later on in the one-day series or later on in the year? Mukund vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste friends, > > Sachin Tendulkar remained not out after scoring 220 runs in the fourth test at Sydney on January 2-3. This is the highest score made by the little master in his glorious 14-year career as a cricket batsman. During this knock, he also passed the 9,000 run mark in his career. He is the 4th batsman in the history of cricket to pass this mark and he took less matches and less innings to pass this mark than the other three legends in this exclusive club. > > Just a week ago, critics were blasting him and some people were even suggesting that he should be dropped from the team. Today, playing the decider match in a cliff-hanger series, he made the best score of his career and placed his team in such a formidable position that they are almost assured of not losing the match! The double century maker is again the toast of the nation, along with Laxman who made 178 runs and got out. See the reversal in fortunes in just a week!! > > So the Viparita Raja Yoga in rasi and dasamsa of the annual Tithi Pravesha chart worked for Tendulkar in the expected antardasa! I made a prediction on this on Dec 27 and re-iterated on December 29: > > <<<<< quote begin ------------ > But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. > > Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... > > During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon- Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. > > I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. > ------------ quote end >>>>> > > Instead of justifying 44 in the second innings of the previous test as the good knock given by the VRY and washing my hands off this prediction, I stuck to my guns that a bigger one was yet to come. > > * * * > > The reason for my sticking to guns is that the VRY between Jupiter and Moon is quite strong. This VRY also gives Gaja-Kesari yoga. Moreover, Moon and Jupiter are well-placed, one in own sign and the other in exaltation sign. So, in all likehood, this yoga should give a positive result that is memorable and lasting in effect. > > His 44 run knock in the previous test was good and enough to temporarily silence the critics. But it was not at all memorable. Now, he got something big and memorable - a double century and that too his career-best score! > > Because of this, I was quite confident. So I stuck to my guns and re-iterated this prediction 2-3 times. The original daily predictions I made based daily charts were quite ambitious and perhaps the knowledge is not yet mature enough for prime time. > > But this prediction based on annual TP chart was quite safe to make. In fact, I decided before this test match to stop writing the current book on Tithi Pravesha if Tendulkar did not make a big one in this match. After all, when I am confident of the birthdata and there is a very clear yoga and yet the expected reveral of fortunes does not happen in the expected 10 day period, what is the point in spreading the knowledge? I should then concentrate on perfecting my knowledge, I thought, rather than spreading it. When I consider a prediction to be safe and yet it fails, it calls for an introspection of my level of knowledge and I have to ask myself if I can write a book on it. Luckily, I do not have to do that now and what I thought should be a safe prediction indeed turned out to be safe. Kudos to annual Tithi Pravesha charts! > > Daily charts are a result of my research, but annual charts are tried and tested in our tradition. BTW, I am not disowning daily charts. I only think that there are some missing links. I am confident that oneday I can rectify the charts of cricketers accurately and predict on a daily or even hourly basis. It's just a matter of time (and more work). > > * * * > > To those who are concerned about the pride of astrologer in public predictions and about the main aim of astrology being to help (I am not saying this derisively at all, I genuinely appreciate their concern): > > I am not at all proud of my own abilities. I have made several wrong predictions and will continue to do so. I completely realize it. > > I want to help people, but spreading knowledge and faith in it are a higher priority for me. Instead of spending my time helping 100 people, if I spend it perfecting the knowledge so that it can replicated and spreading this knowledge to 50 people, they can help 5,000 people. So, for every one person I help, I end up frustrating ten persons who approach me for help and go without being helped (sorry!). My priorities are to research and perfect the knowledge and then spread it. > > I am not so interested in the art of astrology and only interestied in the science of astrology. I want to identify principles that can be replicated by others to make predictions and then spread that knowledge. Even when I pray to gods, I do not pray to them to give me correct predictions. I pray to them to give me correct knowledge. If I make a prediction based on a wrong principle, I pray to gods to make it go wrong and allow me to find my mistakes. My goal is to pursue and spread the science of astrology. > > I am glad there are others who concentrate on the art of astrology and spend their energies helping people. But I have a clear goal in front of me and I will pursue that path. We need all kinds of people. Your concern is appreciated though. > > * * * > > For those who want to learn the meaning of the word "viparita" in Viparita Raja Yoga, this case is the perfect example. Viparita literally means reversal. VRY usually results in a reversal, from one extreme to another. Look at Tendulkar. He was put down by almost everyone. He became the butt of jokes. Michael Holding cracked a joke on him at an award ceremony recently. > > Today, he has a double century, made the highest score of his career and all Indian news papers are heralding his return! He made more Test match runs in these two days than in the entire 2003! Now, that, is a reveral of fortune from one extreme to another. This is a perfect example of Viparita raja yoga. > > Birthdata I used: 24th April 1973, 4:27:56 pm (IST), Bombay, India. > Annual TP chart: 22nd April 2003, 2:06:14 pm (IST), Bombay, India. > > In rasi chart, Moon is the 8th lord from AL in AL. He affects the status and image negatively and gives a fall. His dasa from 9th December 2003 gives fall of status. Remember that Tendulkar's knock of 82 (or 83) in a tour match before the first test was called a strokeful knock of mastery by Australian critics and his low score in the first test was attributed to an umpiring error by Steve Bucknor. He was not criticized until December 9. Sun dasa was ok. Once Moon dasa set in, Tendulkar's status (AL) fell! However, Jupiter is the lord of AL and he has a parivartana with Moon in both rasi and dasamsa. They have VRY in both rasi and dasamsa. So Jupiter antardasa in Moon dasa has to rescue the image and status and effect a reversal of fortune. > > Study the annual TP chart and correlate it with the recent events. You will really understand what VRY means. This is a perfect example. > > * * * > > Thanks to those who congratulated me. It is the greatness of the Tithi Pravesha system and not mine. Fortunately, the birthtime rectified by me is ok and my understanding of the syetem is ok. So it worked well. Whatever logic I have used is very crisp and clear and anyone analyzing this chart will come to the same conclusions. In other words, there is no magic or artistry or beating around the bush. The approach is very systematic, logical and scientific. I am glad it worked. > > * * * > > In a recent mail, Sarajit (I think) asked for my birthdata, as something I said about my D-27 was not correct based on the chart he had. Here is my birthdata: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India. This was rectified by me for the Vimsottari dasa class. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > - > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > vedic astrology > Monday, December 29, 2003 12:23 AM > Re: Aus-Ind test match Dec 26-30 > > > Dear Vijay, > > Though I am open to considering other birthtimes for Tendulkar, I am reasonably confident that the birthtime I use is almost correct. Otherwise, I would not make a prediction. So, I would not want to use wrong birthtime as an excuse for my failure. However, if others want to rectify, they are welcome to do so. > > Perhaps I haven't mastered daily charts enough yet and I should not try making daily or hourly predictions (not that I have made hourly predictions, but I was considering making them). > > But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. > > Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... > > During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon- Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. > > I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. > > However, cricker enthusiasts among you who are emotionally attached to the game and to Tendulkar should realize that I am not infallible and not create false hopes. I do not decide Tendulkar's fortune, God does. I only try to decipher it. I can fail. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > Dear Mr. Narsimha, > > > > In case if Chart of Tendulkar is not correct, why not the effort are made to correct it astrologically ? > > > > I request the scholars of this discussion group to list down the birth time rectification principles available in vedic astrology and evaluate the validity of those principles by applying them to various charts including that of Tendulkar. > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Dear Narasimha, Excellent!- not only the prediction, but excellent /clear, non-mystifying, educative, replicable/ explanation of the astrological reasons- I also respect that you gave the core of explanation ahead of time- in fact, it is what I would expect from a serious and honest astrologer!I've gone through your analysis, and will certainly dwell more on it, but now I have one question- why did you choose Tithi Ashtottari dasa? /Any role of Rahu/Moon in making a decision? How do you decide which one to use, in general? Which point do you consider decisive? Do you use the same reasoning for Rashi and TP? Method of dasa choice, in general../ Thanks and sincere appreciation, Anna "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, Sachin Tendulkar remained not out after scoring 220 runs in the fourth test at Sydney on January 2-3. This is the highest score made by the little master in his glorious 14-year career as a cricket batsman. During this knock, he also passed the 9,000 run mark in his career. He is the 4th batsman in the history of cricket to pass this mark and he took less matches and less innings to pass this mark than the other three legends in this exclusive club. Just a week ago, critics were blasting him and some people were even suggesting that he should be dropped from the team. Today, playing the decider match in a cliff-hanger series, he made the best score of his career and placed his team in such a formidable position that they are almost assured of not losing the match! The double century maker is again the toast of the nation, along with Laxman who made 178 runs and got out. See the reversal in fortunes in just a week!! So the Viparita Raja Yoga in rasi and dasamsa of the annual Tithi Pravesha chart worked for Tendulkar in the expected antardasa! I made a prediction on this on Dec 27 and re-iterated on December 29: <<<<< quote begin ------------ But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon-Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. ------------ quote end >>>>> Instead of justifying 44 in the second innings of the previous test as the good knock given by the VRY and washing my hands off this prediction, I stuck to my guns that a bigger one was yet to come. * * * The reason for my sticking to guns is that the VRY between Jupiter and Moon is quite strong. This VRY also gives Gaja-Kesari yoga. Moreover, Moon and Jupiter are well-placed, one in own sign and the other in exaltation sign. So, in all likehood, this yoga should give a positive result that is memorable and lasting in effect. His 44 run knock in the previous test was good and enough to temporarily silence the critics. But it was not at all memorable. Now, he got something big and memorable - a double century and that too his career-best score! Because of this, I was quite confident. So I stuck to my guns and re-iterated this prediction 2-3 times. The original daily predictions I made based daily charts were quite ambitious and perhaps the knowledge is not yet mature enough for prime time. But this prediction based on annual TP chart was quite safe to make. In fact, I decided before this test match to stop writing the current book on Tithi Pravesha if Tendulkar did not make a big one in this match. After all, when I am confident of the birthdata and there is a very clear yoga and yet the expected reveral of fortunes does not happen in the expected 10 day period, what is the point in spreading the knowledge? I should then concentrate on perfecting my knowledge, I thought, rather than spreading it. When I consider a prediction to be safe and yet it fails, it calls for an introspection of my level of knowledge and I have to ask myself if I can write a book on it. Luckily, I do not have to do that now and what I thought should be a safe prediction indeed turned out to be safe. Kudos to annual Tithi Pravesha charts! Daily charts are a result of my research, but annual charts are tried and tested in our tradition. BTW, I am not disowning daily charts. I only think that there are some missing links. I am confident that oneday I can rectify the charts of cricketers accurately and predict on a daily or even hourly basis. It's just a matter of time (and more work). * * * To those who are concerned about the pride of astrologer in public predictions and about the main aim of astrology being to help (I am not saying this derisively at all, I genuinely appreciate their concern): I am not at all proud of my own abilities. I have made several wrong predictions and will continue to do so. I completely realize it. I want to help people, but spreading knowledge and faith in it are a higher priority for me. Instead of spending my time helping 100 people, if I spend it perfecting the knowledge so that it can replicated and spreading this knowledge to 50 people, they can help 5,000 people. So, for every one person I help, I end up frustrating ten persons who approach me for help and go without being helped (sorry!). My priorities are to research and perfect the knowledge and then spread it. I am not so interested in the art of astrology and only interestied in the science of astrology. I want to identify principles that can be replicated by others to make predictions and then spread that knowledge. Even when I pray to gods, I do not pray to them to give me correct predictions. I pray to them to give me correct knowledge. If I make a prediction based on a wrong principle, I pray to gods to make it go wrong and allow me to find my mistakes. My goal is to pursue and spread the science of astrology. I am glad there are others who concentrate on the art of astrology and spend their energies helping people. But I have a clear goal in front of me and I will pursue that path. We need all kinds of people. Your concern is appreciated though. * * * For those who want to learn the meaning of the word "viparita" in Viparita Raja Yoga, this case is the perfect example. Viparita literally means reversal. VRY usually results in a reversal, from one extreme to another. Look at Tendulkar. He was put down by almost everyone. He became the butt of jokes. Michael Holding cracked a joke on him at an award ceremony recently. Today, he has a double century, made the highest score of his career and all Indian news papers are heralding his return! He made more Test match runs in these two days than in the entire 2003! Now, that, is a reveral of fortune from one extreme to another. This is a perfect example of Viparita raja yoga. Birthdata I used: 24th April 1973, 4:27:56 pm (IST), Bombay, India. Annual TP chart: 22nd April 2003, 2:06:14 pm (IST), Bombay, India. In rasi chart, Moon is the 8th lord from AL in AL. He affects the status and image negatively and gives a fall. His dasa from 9th December 2003 gives fall of status. Remember that Tendulkar's knock of 82 (or 83) in a tour match before the first test was called a strokeful knock of mastery by Australian critics and his low score in the first test was attributed to an umpiring error by Steve Bucknor. He was not criticized until December 9. Sun dasa was ok. Once Moon dasa set in, Tendulkar's status (AL) fell! However, Jupiter is the lord of AL and he has a parivartana with Moon in both rasi and dasamsa. They have VRY in both rasi and dasamsa. So Jupiter antardasa in Moon dasa has to rescue the image and status and effect a reversal of fortune. Study the annual TP chart and correlate it with the recent events. You will really understand what VRY means. This is a perfect example. * * * Thanks to those who congratulated me. It is the greatness of the Tithi Pravesha system and not mine. Fortunately, the birthtime rectified by me is ok and my understanding of the syetem is ok. So it worked well. Whatever logic I have used is very crisp and clear and anyone analyzing this chart will come to the same conclusions. In other words, there is no magic or artistry or beating around the bush. The approach is very systematic, logical and scientific. I am glad it worked. * * * In a recent mail, Sarajit (I think) asked for my birthdata, as something I said about my D-27 was not correct based on the chart he had. Here is my birthdata: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India. This was rectified by me for the Vimsottari dasa class. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Monday, December 29, 2003 12:23 AM Re: Aus-Ind test match Dec 26-30 Dear Vijay, Though I am open to considering other birthtimes for Tendulkar, I am reasonably confident that the birthtime I use is almost correct. Otherwise, I would not make a prediction. So, I would not want to use wrong birthtime as an excuse for my failure. However, if others want to rectify, they are welcome to do so. Perhaps I haven't mastered daily charts enough yet and I should not try making daily or hourly predictions (not that I have made hourly predictions, but I was considering making them). But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon-Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. However, cricker enthusiasts among you who are emotionally attached to the game and to Tendulkar should realize that I am not infallible and not create false hopes. I do not decide Tendulkar's fortune, God does. I only try to decipher it. I can fail. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Mr. Narsimha,> > In case if Chart of Tendulkar is not correct, why not the effort are made to correct it astrologically ?> > I request the scholars of this discussion group to list down the birth time rectification principles available in vedic astrology and evaluate the validity of those principles by applying them to various charts including that of Tendulkar.> > Regards,> > Vijay KumarArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the Find out what made the Top Searches of 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Info for the List- I have just seen on one List /sadly, of a reputable and good astrologer/, that 24 ap. is not T.'right birth-date' - based on 'secret' info received under the 'oath', no astrology (proof/s/) whatsoever, left to a reader's imagination... - I've checked it out, no it's not 'mason lodge' it is called astro-List..Massive, mayor disservice to astrology, indeed..108ar <bona_mente > wrote: Dear Narasimha, Excellent!- not only the prediction, but excellent /clear, non-mystifying, educative, replicable/ explanation of the astrological reasons- I also respect that you gave the core of explanation ahead of time- in fact, it is what I would expect from a serious and honest astrologer!I've gone through your analysis, and will certainly dwell more on it, but now I have one question- why did you choose Tithi Ashtottari dasa? /Any role of Rahu/Moon in making a decision? How do you decide which one to use, in general? Which point do you consider decisive? Do you use the same reasoning for Rashi and TP? Method of dasa choice, in general../ Thanks and sincere appreciation, Anna "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, Sachin Tendulkar remained not out after scoring 220 runs in the fourth test at Sydney on January 2-3. This is the highest score made by the little master in his glorious 14-year career as a cricket batsman. During this knock, he also passed the 9,000 run mark in his career. He is the 4th batsman in the history of cricket to pass this mark and he took less matches and less innings to pass this mark than the other three legends in this exclusive club. Just a week ago, critics were blasting him and some people were even suggesting that he should be dropped from the team. Today, playing the decider match in a cliff-hanger series, he made the best score of his career and placed his team in such a formidable position that they are almost assured of not losing the match! The double century maker is again the toast of the nation, along with Laxman who made 178 runs and got out. See the reversal in fortunes in just a week!! So the Viparita Raja Yoga in rasi and dasamsa of the annual Tithi Pravesha chart worked for Tendulkar in the expected antardasa! I made a prediction on this on Dec 27 and re-iterated on December 29: <<<<< quote begin ------------ But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon-Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. ------------ quote end >>>>> Instead of justifying 44 in the second innings of the previous test as the good knock given by the VRY and washing my hands off this prediction, I stuck to my guns that a bigger one was yet to come. * * * The reason for my sticking to guns is that the VRY between Jupiter and Moon is quite strong. This VRY also gives Gaja-Kesari yoga. Moreover, Moon and Jupiter are well-placed, one in own sign and the other in exaltation sign. So, in all likehood, this yoga should give a positive result that is memorable and lasting in effect. His 44 run knock in the previous test was good and enough to temporarily silence the critics. But it was not at all memorable. Now, he got something big and memorable - a double century and that too his career-best score! Because of this, I was quite confident. So I stuck to my guns and re-iterated this prediction 2-3 times. The original daily predictions I made based daily charts were quite ambitious and perhaps the knowledge is not yet mature enough for prime time. But this prediction based on annual TP chart was quite safe to make. In fact, I decided before this test match to stop writing the current book on Tithi Pravesha if Tendulkar did not make a big one in this match. After all, when I am confident of the birthdata and there is a very clear yoga and yet the expected reveral of fortunes does not happen in the expected 10 day period, what is the point in spreading the knowledge? I should then concentrate on perfecting my knowledge, I thought, rather than spreading it. When I consider a prediction to be safe and yet it fails, it calls for an introspection of my level of knowledge and I have to ask myself if I can write a book on it. Luckily, I do not have to do that now and what I thought should be a safe prediction indeed turned out to be safe. Kudos to annual Tithi Pravesha charts! Daily charts are a result of my research, but annual charts are tried and tested in our tradition. BTW, I am not disowning daily charts. I only think that there are some missing links. I am confident that oneday I can rectify the charts of cricketers accurately and predict on a daily or even hourly basis. It's just a matter of time (and more work). * * * To those who are concerned about the pride of astrologer in public predictions and about the main aim of astrology being to help (I am not saying this derisively at all, I genuinely appreciate their concern): I am not at all proud of my own abilities. I have made several wrong predictions and will continue to do so. I completely realize it. I want to help people, but spreading knowledge and faith in it are a higher priority for me. Instead of spending my time helping 100 people, if I spend it perfecting the knowledge so that it can replicated and spreading this knowledge to 50 people, they can help 5,000 people. So, for every one person I help, I end up frustrating ten persons who approach me for help and go without being helped (sorry!). My priorities are to research and perfect the knowledge and then spread it. I am not so interested in the art of astrology and only interestied in the science of astrology. I want to identify principles that can be replicated by others to make predictions and then spread that knowledge. Even when I pray to gods, I do not pray to them to give me correct predictions. I pray to them to give me correct knowledge. If I make a prediction based on a wrong principle, I pray to gods to make it go wrong and allow me to find my mistakes. My goal is to pursue and spread the science of astrology. I am glad there are others who concentrate on the art of astrology and spend their energies helping people. But I have a clear goal in front of me and I will pursue that path. We need all kinds of people. Your concern is appreciated though. * * * For those who want to learn the meaning of the word "viparita" in Viparita Raja Yoga, this case is the perfect example. Viparita literally means reversal. VRY usually results in a reversal, from one extreme to another. Look at Tendulkar. He was put down by almost everyone. He became the butt of jokes. Michael Holding cracked a joke on him at an award ceremony recently. Today, he has a double century, made the highest score of his career and all Indian news papers are heralding his return! He made more Test match runs in these two days than in the entire 2003! Now, that, is a reveral of fortune from one extreme to another. This is a perfect example of Viparita raja yoga. Birthdata I used: 24th April 1973, 4:27:56 pm (IST), Bombay, India. Annual TP chart: 22nd April 2003, 2:06:14 pm (IST), Bombay, India. In rasi chart, Moon is the 8th lord from AL in AL. He affects the status and image negatively and gives a fall. His dasa from 9th December 2003 gives fall of status. Remember that Tendulkar's knock of 82 (or 83) in a tour match before the first test was called a strokeful knock of mastery by Australian critics and his low score in the first test was attributed to an umpiring error by Steve Bucknor. He was not criticized until December 9. Sun dasa was ok. Once Moon dasa set in, Tendulkar's status (AL) fell! However, Jupiter is the lord of AL and he has a parivartana with Moon in both rasi and dasamsa. They have VRY in both rasi and dasamsa. So Jupiter antardasa in Moon dasa has to rescue the image and status and effect a reversal of fortune. Study the annual TP chart and correlate it with the recent events. You will really understand what VRY means. This is a perfect example. * * * Thanks to those who congratulated me. It is the greatness of the Tithi Pravesha system and not mine. Fortunately, the birthtime rectified by me is ok and my understanding of the syetem is ok. So it worked well. Whatever logic I have used is very crisp and clear and anyone analyzing this chart will come to the same conclusions. In other words, there is no magic or artistry or beating around the bush. The approach is very systematic, logical and scientific. I am glad it worked. * * * In a recent mail, Sarajit (I think) asked for my birthdata, as something I said about my D-27 was not correct based on the chart he had. Here is my birthdata: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India. This was rectified by me for the Vimsottari dasa class. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Monday, December 29, 2003 12:23 AM Re: Aus-Ind test match Dec 26-30 Dear Vijay, Though I am open to considering other birthtimes for Tendulkar, I am reasonably confident that the birthtime I use is almost correct. Otherwise, I would not make a prediction. So, I would not want to use wrong birthtime as an excuse for my failure. However, if others want to rectify, they are welcome to do so. Perhaps I haven't mastered daily charts enough yet and I should not try making daily or hourly predictions (not that I have made hourly predictions, but I was considering making them). But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon-Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. However, cricker enthusiasts among you who are emotionally attached to the game and to Tendulkar should realize that I am not infallible and not create false hopes. I do not decide Tendulkar's fortune, God does. I only try to decipher it. I can fail. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Mr. Narsimha,> > In case if Chart of Tendulkar is not correct, why not the effort are made to correct it astrologically ?> > I request the scholars of this discussion group to list down the birth time rectification principles available in vedic astrology and evaluate the validity of those principles by applying them to various charts including that of Tendulkar.> > Regards,> > Vijay KumarArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Not to offend anyone. But if you ever read any of his e-mails, that so called reputable astrologer, all his claims are made after the event, with no explanation or evidence to back it up (because everything was done in hiding). All his mails in one form or the other has something hidden. Like I had predicted this and that but I was alone ... (even I am exaggerating a little bit) Surprisingly, he would respond back in his list to a very well predicted and explained analysis on other group. You know what Anna, I had predicted Saddam would be captured alive when Saddam's brother came to me with his chart. You got the point. Raj 108ar <bona_mente > wrote: Info for the List- I have just seen on one List /sadly, of a reputable and good astrologer/, that 24 ap. is not T.'right birth-date' - based on 'secret' info received under the 'oath', no astrology (proof/s/) whatsoever, left to a reader's imagination... - I've checked it out, no it's not 'mason lodge' it is called astro-List..Massive, mayor disservice to astrology, indeed..108ar <bona_mente > wrote: Dear Narasimha, Excellent!- not only the prediction, but excellent /clear, non-mystifying, educative, replicable/ explanation of the astrological reasons- I also respect that you gave the core of explanation ahead of time- in fact, it is what I would expect from a serious and honest astrologer!I've gone through your analysis, and will certainly dwell more on it, but now I have one question- why did you choose Tithi Ashtottari dasa? /Any role of Rahu/Moon in making a decision? How do you decide which one to use, in general? Which point do you consider decisive? Do you use the same reasoning for Rashi and TP? Method of dasa choice, in general../ Thanks and sincere appreciation, Anna "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, Sachin Tendulkar remained not out after scoring 220 runs in the fourth test at Sydney on January 2-3. This is the highest score made by the little master in his glorious 14-year career as a cricket batsman. During this knock, he also passed the 9,000 run mark in his career. He is the 4th batsman in the history of cricket to pass this mark and he took less matches and less innings to pass this mark than the other three legends in this exclusive club. Just a week ago, critics were blasting him and some people were even suggesting that he should be dropped from the team. Today, playing the decider match in a cliff-hanger series, he made the best score of his career and placed his team in such a formidable position that they are almost assured of not losing the match! The double century maker is again the toast of the nation, along with Laxman who made 178 runs and got out. See the reversal in fortunes in just a week!! So the Viparita Raja Yoga in rasi and dasamsa of the annual Tithi Pravesha chart worked for Tendulkar in the expected antardasa! I made a prediction on this on Dec 27 and re-iterated on December 29: <<<<< quote begin ------------ But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon-Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. ------------ quote end >>>>> Instead of justifying 44 in the second innings of the previous test as the good knock given by the VRY and washing my hands off this prediction, I stuck to my guns that a bigger one was yet to come. * * * The reason for my sticking to guns is that the VRY between Jupiter and Moon is quite strong. This VRY also gives Gaja-Kesari yoga. Moreover, Moon and Jupiter are well-placed, one in own sign and the other in exaltation sign. So, in all likehood, this yoga should give a positive result that is memorable and lasting in effect. His 44 run knock in the previous test was good and enough to temporarily silence the critics. But it was not at all memorable. Now, he got something big and memorable - a double century and that too his career-best score! Because of this, I was quite confident. So I stuck to my guns and re-iterated this prediction 2-3 times. The original daily predictions I made based daily charts were quite ambitious and perhaps the knowledge is not yet mature enough for prime time. But this prediction based on annual TP chart was quite safe to make. In fact, I decided before this test match to stop writing the current book on Tithi Pravesha if Tendulkar did not make a big one in this match. After all, when I am confident of the birthdata and there is a very clear yoga and yet the expected reveral of fortunes does not happen in the expected 10 day period, what is the point in spreading the knowledge? I should then concentrate on perfecting my knowledge, I thought, rather than spreading it. When I consider a prediction to be safe and yet it fails, it calls for an introspection of my level of knowledge and I have to ask myself if I can write a book on it. Luckily, I do not have to do that now and what I thought should be a safe prediction indeed turned out to be safe. Kudos to annual Tithi Pravesha charts! Daily charts are a result of my research, but annual charts are tried and tested in our tradition. BTW, I am not disowning daily charts. I only think that there are some missing links. I am confident that oneday I can rectify the charts of cricketers accurately and predict on a daily or even hourly basis. It's just a matter of time (and more work). * * * To those who are concerned about the pride of astrologer in public predictions and about the main aim of astrology being to help (I am not saying this derisively at all, I genuinely appreciate their concern): I am not at all proud of my own abilities. I have made several wrong predictions and will continue to do so. I completely realize it. I want to help people, but spreading knowledge and faith in it are a higher priority for me. Instead of spending my time helping 100 people, if I spend it perfecting the knowledge so that it can replicated and spreading this knowledge to 50 people, they can help 5,000 people. So, for every one person I help, I end up frustrating ten persons who approach me for help and go without being helped (sorry!). My priorities are to research and perfect the knowledge and then spread it. I am not so interested in the art of astrology and only interestied in the science of astrology. I want to identify principles that can be replicated by others to make predictions and then spread that knowledge. Even when I pray to gods, I do not pray to them to give me correct predictions. I pray to them to give me correct knowledge. If I make a prediction based on a wrong principle, I pray to gods to make it go wrong and allow me to find my mistakes. My goal is to pursue and spread the science of astrology. I am glad there are others who concentrate on the art of astrology and spend their energies helping people. But I have a clear goal in front of me and I will pursue that path. We need all kinds of people. Your concern is appreciated though. * * * For those who want to learn the meaning of the word "viparita" in Viparita Raja Yoga, this case is the perfect example. Viparita literally means reversal. VRY usually results in a reversal, from one extreme to another. Look at Tendulkar. He was put down by almost everyone. He became the butt of jokes. Michael Holding cracked a joke on him at an award ceremony recently. Today, he has a double century, made the highest score of his career and all Indian news papers are heralding his return! He made more Test match runs in these two days than in the entire 2003! Now, that, is a reveral of fortune from one extreme to another. This is a perfect example of Viparita raja yoga. Birthdata I used: 24th April 1973, 4:27:56 pm (IST), Bombay, India. Annual TP chart: 22nd April 2003, 2:06:14 pm (IST), Bombay, India. In rasi chart, Moon is the 8th lord from AL in AL. He affects the status and image negatively and gives a fall. His dasa from 9th December 2003 gives fall of status. Remember that Tendulkar's knock of 82 (or 83) in a tour match before the first test was called a strokeful knock of mastery by Australian critics and his low score in the first test was attributed to an umpiring error by Steve Bucknor. He was not criticized until December 9. Sun dasa was ok. Once Moon dasa set in, Tendulkar's status (AL) fell! However, Jupiter is the lord of AL and he has a parivartana with Moon in both rasi and dasamsa. They have VRY in both rasi and dasamsa. So Jupiter antardasa in Moon dasa has to rescue the image and status and effect a reversal of fortune. Study the annual TP chart and correlate it with the recent events. You will really understand what VRY means. This is a perfect example. * * * Thanks to those who congratulated me. It is the greatness of the Tithi Pravesha system and not mine. Fortunately, the birthtime rectified by me is ok and my understanding of the syetem is ok. So it worked well. Whatever logic I have used is very crisp and clear and anyone analyzing this chart will come to the same conclusions. In other words, there is no magic or artistry or beating around the bush. The approach is very systematic, logical and scientific. I am glad it worked. * * * In a recent mail, Sarajit (I think) asked for my birthdata, as something I said about my D-27 was not correct based on the chart he had. Here is my birthdata: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India. This was rectified by me for the Vimsottari dasa class. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Monday, December 29, 2003 12:23 AM Re: Aus-Ind test match Dec 26-30 Dear Vijay, Though I am open to considering other birthtimes for Tendulkar, I am reasonably confident that the birthtime I use is almost correct. Otherwise, I would not make a prediction. So, I would not want to use wrong birthtime as an excuse for my failure. However, if others want to rectify, they are welcome to do so. Perhaps I haven't mastered daily charts enough yet and I should not try making daily or hourly predictions (not that I have made hourly predictions, but I was considering making them). But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon-Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. However, cricker enthusiasts among you who are emotionally attached to the game and to Tendulkar should realize that I am not infallible and not create false hopes. I do not decide Tendulkar's fortune, God does. I only try to decipher it. I can fail. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Mr. Narsimha,> > In case if Chart of Tendulkar is not correct, why not the effort are made to correct it astrologically ?> > I request the scholars of this discussion group to list down the birth time rectification principles available in vedic astrology and evaluate the validity of those principles by applying them to various charts including that of Tendulkar.> > Regards,> > Vijay KumarArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Looks like the mail I sent initially did not go to the list and went to Mr. Sukla. I just want to make a brief observation here. I initially thought I would pass on this, but had to post since a baseless accusation should not go unchallenged. Mr. Sukla, your assumption amounts to mudslinging and/or slander (either intentional or unintentional doesnt matter). That reputable astrologer has indeed made more successful mundane predictions than perhaps anyone alive today. In most cases, he gives verifiable info on the predictions he has made (such as in so and so issue of hindi magaginze, panchang, website, journal, BVB classes, etc). Since he is probably one of India's most popular and respected astrologer, it is natural that he would have given many predictions to popular figures. In any case, a majority of the predictions he talked about are verifiable such as his predictions on Iraq and Sadham. It is one thing to disagree with his manner of communication, school of thought or interpretation of Jyotish texts, but to call him a liar as you have done so with NO valid proof is unfair, plain wrong and should be condemned. I know that the admin of this list, Sri. Narasimha Rao does not tolerate such non-sensical slander on ANY astrologer and I hope he puts a full stop to this nonsense. btw, congrats to Narasimha-ji for a gutsy and correct prediction. I even showed it to one of my relative that does not believe in astrology. I wish and hope that the birth data you had is accurate since the prediction was scientific and accurate. However, we need to understand that it is possible to make a correct prediction with a wrong birth data. That is not a reflection on the astrologer, but should be taken as a reflection on the nature of Jyotish. Peace. -Siva. vedic astrology, R Shukla <info4shukla> wrote: > Hi Anna, > > Not to offend anyone. But if you ever read any of his e-mails, that so called reputable astrologer, all his claims are made after the event, with no explanation or evidence to back it up (because everything was done in hiding). > > All his mails in one form or the other has something hidden. Like I had predicted this and that but I was alone ... (even I am exaggerating a little bit) > > Surprisingly, he would respond back in his list to a very well predicted and explained analysis on other group. > > You know what Anna, I had predicted Saddam would be captured alive when Saddam's brother came to me with his chart. You got the point. > > Raj > > > 108ar <bona_mente> wrote: > Info for the List- > I have just seen on one List /sadly, of a reputable and good astrologer/, that 24 ap. is not T.'right birth-date' - based on 'secret' info received under the 'oath', no astrology (proof/s/) whatsoever, left to a reader's imagination... - I've checked it out, no it's not 'mason lodge' it is called astro-List..Massive, mayor disservice to astrology, indeed.. > > 108ar <bona_mente> wrote: > Dear Narasimha, > > Excellent!- not only the prediction, but excellent /clear, non- mystifying, educative, replicable/ explanation of the astrological reasons- I also respect that you gave the core of explanation ahead of time- in fact, it is what I would expect from a serious and honest > astrologer! > I've gone through your analysis, and will certainly dwell more on it, but now I have one question- why did you choose Tithi Ashtottari dasa? > /Any role of Rahu/Moon in making a decision? How do you decide which one to use, in general? Which point do you consider decisive? Do you use the same reasoning for Rashi and TP? Method of dasa choice, in general../ > Thanks and sincere appreciation, > Anna > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste friends, > > Sachin Tendulkar remained not out after scoring 220 runs in the fourth test at Sydney on January 2-3. This is the highest score made by the little master in his glorious 14-year career as a cricket batsman. During this knock, he also passed the 9,000 run mark in his career. He is the 4th batsman in the history of cricket to pass this mark and he took less matches and less innings to pass this mark than the other three legends in this exclusive club. > > Just a week ago, critics were blasting him and some people were even suggesting that he should be dropped from the team. Today, playing the decider match in a cliff-hanger series, he made the best score of his career and placed his team in such a formidable position that they are almost assured of not losing the match! The double century maker is again the toast of the nation, along with Laxman who made 178 runs and got out. See the reversal in fortunes in just a week!! > > So the Viparita Raja Yoga in rasi and dasamsa of the annual Tithi Pravesha chart worked for Tendulkar in the expected antardasa! I made a prediction on this on Dec 27 and re-iterated on December 29: > > <<<<< quote begin ------------ > But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. > > Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... > > During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon- Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. > > I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. > > ------------ quote end >>>>> > > Instead of justifying 44 in the second innings of the previous test as the good knock given by the VRY and washing my hands off this prediction, I stuck to my guns that a bigger one was yet to come. > > * * * > > The reason for my sticking to guns is that the VRY between Jupiter and Moon is quite strong. This VRY also gives Gaja-Kesari yoga. Moreover, Moon and Jupiter are well-placed, one in own sign and the other in exaltation sign. So, in all likehood, this yoga should give a positive result that is memorable and lasting in effect. > > His 44 run knock in the previous test was good and enough to temporarily silence the critics. But it was not at all memorable. Now, he got something big and memorable - a double century and that too his career-best score! > > Because of this, I was quite confident. So I stuck to my guns and re-iterated this prediction 2-3 times. The original daily predictions I made based daily charts were quite ambitious and perhaps the knowledge is not yet mature enough for prime time. > > But this prediction based on annual TP chart was quite safe to make. In fact, I decided before this test match to stop writing the current book on Tithi Pravesha if Tendulkar did not make a big one in this match. After all, when I am confident of the birthdata and there is a very clear yoga and yet the expected reveral of fortunes does not happen in the expected 10 day period, what is the point in spreading the knowledge? I should then concentrate on perfecting my knowledge, I thought, rather than spreading it. When I consider a prediction to be safe and yet it fails, it calls for an introspection of my level of knowledge and I have to ask myself if I can write a book on it. Luckily, I do not have to do that now and what I thought should be a safe prediction indeed turned out to be safe. Kudos to annual Tithi Pravesha charts! > > Daily charts are a result of my research, but annual charts are tried and tested in our tradition. BTW, I am not disowning daily charts. I only think that there are some missing links. I am confident that oneday I can rectify the charts of cricketers accurately and predict on a daily or even hourly basis. It's just a matter of time (and more work). > > * * * > > To those who are concerned about the pride of astrologer in public predictions and about the main aim of astrology being to help (I am not saying this derisively at all, I genuinely appreciate their concern): > > I am not at all proud of my own abilities. I have made several wrong predictions and will continue to do so. I completely realize it. > > I want to help people, but spreading knowledge and faith in it are a higher priority for me. Instead of spending my time helping 100 people, if I spend it perfecting the knowledge so that it can replicated and spreading this knowledge to 50 people, they can help 5,000 people. So, for every one person I help, I end up frustrating ten persons who approach me for help and go without being helped (sorry!). My priorities are to research and perfect the knowledge and then spread it. > > I am not so interested in the art of astrology and only interestied in the science of astrology. I want to identify principles that can be replicated by others to make predictions and then spread that knowledge. Even when I pray to gods, I do not pray to them to give me correct predictions. I pray to them to give me correct knowledge. If I make a prediction based on a wrong principle, I pray to gods to make it go wrong and allow me to find my mistakes. My goal is to pursue and spread the science of astrology. > > I am glad there are others who concentrate on the art of astrology and spend their energies helping people. But I have a clear goal in front of me and I will pursue that path. We need all kinds of people. Your concern is appreciated though. > > * * * > > > For those who want to learn the meaning of the word "viparita" in Viparita Raja Yoga, this case is the perfect example. Viparita literally means reversal. VRY usually results in a reversal, from one extreme to another. Look at Tendulkar. He was put down by almost everyone. He became the butt of jokes. Michael Holding cracked a joke on him at an award ceremony recently. > > Today, he has a double century, made the highest score of his career and all Indian news papers are heralding his return! He made more Test match runs in these two days than in the entire 2003! Now, that, is a reveral of fortune from one extreme to another. This is a perfect example of Viparita raja yoga. > > Birthdata I used: 24th April 1973, 4:27:56 pm (IST), Bombay, India. > Annual TP chart: 22nd April 2003, 2:06:14 pm (IST), Bombay, India. > > In rasi chart, Moon is the 8th lord from AL in AL. He affects the status and image negatively and gives a fall. His dasa from 9th December 2003 gives fall of status. Remember that Tendulkar's knock of 82 (or 83) in a tour match before the first test was called a strokeful knock of mastery by Australian critics and his low score in the first test was attributed to an umpiring error by Steve Bucknor. He was not criticized until December 9. Sun dasa was ok. Once Moon dasa set in, Tendulkar's status (AL) fell! However, Jupiter is the lord of AL and he has a parivartana with Moon in both rasi and dasamsa. They have VRY in both rasi and dasamsa. So Jupiter antardasa in Moon dasa has to rescue the image and status and effect a reversal of fortune. > > Study the annual TP chart and correlate it with the recent events. You will really understand what VRY means. This is a perfect example. > > * * * > > Thanks to those who congratulated me. It is the greatness of the Tithi Pravesha system and not mine. Fortunately, the birthtime rectified by me is ok and my understanding of the syetem is ok. So it worked well. Whatever logic I have used is very crisp and clear and anyone analyzing this chart will come to the same conclusions. In other words, there is no magic or artistry or beating around the bush. The approach is very systematic, logical and scientific. I am glad it worked. > > * * * > > In a recent mail, Sarajit (I think) asked for my birthdata, as something I said about my D-27 was not correct based on the chart he had. Here is my birthdata: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India. This was rectified by me for the Vimsottari dasa class. > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > - > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > vedic astrology > Monday, December 29, 2003 12:23 AM > Re: Aus-Ind test match Dec 26-30 > > > Dear Vijay, > > Though I am open to considering other birthtimes for Tendulkar, I am reasonably confident that the birthtime I use is almost correct. Otherwise, I would not make a prediction. So, I would not want to use wrong birthtime as an excuse for my failure. However, if others want to rectify, they are welcome to do so. > > Perhaps I haven't mastered daily charts enough yet and I should not try making daily or hourly predictions (not that I have made hourly predictions, but I was considering making them). > > But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days. > > Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa... > > During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon- Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results. > > I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5. > > However, cricker enthusiasts among you who are emotionally attached to the game and to Tendulkar should realize that I am not infallible and not create false hopes. I do not decide Tendulkar's fortune, God does. I only try to decipher it. I can fail. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > Dear Mr. Narsimha, > > > > In case if Chart of Tendulkar is not correct, why not the effort are made to correct it astrologically ? > > > > I request the scholars of this discussion group to list down the birth time rectification principles available in vedic astrology and evaluate the validity of those principles by applying them to various charts including that of Tendulkar. > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Find out what made the Top Searches of 2003 > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 I know of Mr. KN Rao's contribution to Jyotish knowledge in general, for which he is respected, I think nobody denies that. However, it is also the fact that we haven't seen on Jyotish-List any prediction, or any astrology, or any sharing of his knowledge for a long time- either the method used is 'secret' or data, or what-not..which doesn't allow any learning let alone disagreement or true agreement- because there nothing to be agreed upon! I-me-myself, might be forgivable if he doesn't go a step further, not missing to comment, in the same manner, without facts, work of others /from another list/ who do make an effort to do exactly the oposit thing: to expose their arguments, methods used, data... Publishing predictions in newspapers, and writing on Jyotish List are two different things- I know more about KN Raos political opinions, by now, than I learnt anything related to astrology. Admiration may be sufficent for some people to accept anything, and that's fine. But ungrounded attack of other Jyotishis harms Jyotish purpose. Best regards, Anna schinnas <schinnas > wrote: Looks like the mail I sent initially did not go to the list and went to Mr. Sukla.I just want to make a brief observation here. I initially thought I would pass on this, but had to post since a baseless accusation should not go unchallenged.Mr. Sukla, your assumption amounts to mudslinging and/or slander (either intentional or unintentional doesnt matter). That reputable astrologer has indeed made more successful mundane predictions than perhaps anyone alive today. In most cases, he gives verifiable info on the predictions he has made (such as in so and so issue of hindi magaginze, panchang, website, journal, BVB classes, etc).Since he is probably one of India's most popular and respected astrologer, it is natural that he would have given many predictions to popular figures. In any case, a majority of the predictions he talked about are verifiable such as his predictions on Iraq and Sadham.It is one thing to disagree with his manner of communication, school of thought or interpretation of Jyotish texts, but to call him a liar as you have done so with NO valid proof is unfair, plain wrong and should be condemned. I know that the admin of this list, Sri. Narasimha Rao does not tolerate such non-sensical slander on ANY astrologer and I hope he puts a full stop to this nonsense.btw, congrats to Narasimha-ji for a gutsy and correct prediction. I even showed it to one of my relative that does not believe in astrology. I wish and hope that the birth data you had is accurate since the prediction was scientific and accurate. However, we need to understand that it is possible to make a correct prediction with a wrong birth data. That is not a reflection on the astrologer, but should be taken as a reflection on the nature of Jyotish.Peace.-Siva.vedic astrology, R Shukla <info4shukla> wrote:> Hi Anna,> > Not to offend anyone. But if you ever read any of his e-mails, that so called reputable astrologer, all his claims are made after the event, with no explanation or evidence to back it up (because everything was done in hiding).> > All his mails in one form or the other has something hidden. Like I had predicted this and that but I was alone .... (even I am exaggerating a little bit)> > Surprisingly, he would respond back in his list to a very well predicted and explained analysis on other group.> > You know what Anna, I had predicted Saddam would be captured alive when Saddam's brother came to me with his chart. You got the point.> > Raj> > > 108ar <bona_mente> wrote:> Info for the List- > I have just seen on one List /sadly, of a reputable and good astrologer/, that 24 ap. is not T.'right birth-date' - based on 'secret' info received under the 'oath', no astrology (proof/s/) whatsoever, left to a reader's imagination... - I've checked it out, no it's not 'mason lodge' it is called astro-List..Massive, mayor disservice to astrology, indeed..> > 108ar <bona_mente> wrote:> Dear Narasimha,> > Excellent!- not only the prediction, but excellent /clear, non-mystifying, educative, replicable/ explanation of the astrological reasons- I also respect that you gave the core of explanation ahead of time- in fact, it is what I would expect from a serious and honest > astrologer!> I've gone through your analysis, and will certainly dwell more on it, but now I have one question- why did you choose Tithi Ashtottari dasa? > /Any role of Rahu/Moon in making a decision? How do you decide which one to use, in general? Which point do you consider decisive? Do you use the same reasoning for Rashi and TP? Method of dasa choice, in general../ > Thanks and sincere appreciation, > Anna> > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> Namaste friends,> > Sachin Tendulkar remained not out after scoring 220 runs in the fourth test at Sydney on January 2-3. This is the highest score made by the little master in his glorious 14-year career as a cricket batsman. During this knock, he also passed the 9,000 run mark in his career. He is the 4th batsman in the history of cricket to pass this mark and he took less matches and less innings to pass this mark than the other three legends in this exclusive club.> > Just a week ago, critics were blasting him and some people were even suggesting that he should be dropped from the team. Today, playing the decider match in a cliff-hanger series, he made the best score of his career and placed his team in such a formidable position that they are almost assured of not losing the match! The double century maker is again the toast of the nation, along with Laxman who made 178 runs and got out. See the reversal in fortunes in just a week!!> > So the Viparita Raja Yoga in rasi and dasamsa of the annual Tithi Pravesha chart worked for Tendulkar in the expected antardasa! I made a prediction on this on Dec 27 and re-iterated on December 29:> > <<<<< quote begin ------------> But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days.> > Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa...> > During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon-Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results.> > I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5.> > ------------ quote end >>>>>> > Instead of justifying 44 in the second innings of the previous test as the good knock given by the VRY and washing my hands off this prediction, I stuck to my guns that a bigger one was yet to come. > > * * *> > The reason for my sticking to guns is that the VRY between Jupiter and Moon is quite strong. This VRY also gives Gaja-Kesari yoga. Moreover, Moon and Jupiter are well-placed, one in own sign and the other in exaltation sign. So, in all likehood, this yoga should give a positive result that is memorable and lasting in effect.> > His 44 run knock in the previous test was good and enough to temporarily silence the critics. But it was not at all memorable. Now, he got something big and memorable - a double century and that too his career-best score!> > Because of this, I was quite confident. So I stuck to my guns and re-iterated this prediction 2-3 times. The original daily predictions I made based daily charts were quite ambitious and perhaps the knowledge is not yet mature enough for prime time.> > But this prediction based on annual TP chart was quite safe to make. In fact, I decided before this test match to stop writing the current book on Tithi Pravesha if Tendulkar did not make a big one in this match. After all, when I am confident of the birthdata and there is a very clear yoga and yet the expected reveral of fortunes does not happen in the expected 10 day period, what is the point in spreading the knowledge? I should then concentrate on perfecting my knowledge, I thought, rather than spreading it. When I consider a prediction to be safe and yet it fails, it calls for an introspection of my level of knowledge and I have to ask myself if I can write a book on it. Luckily, I do not have to do that now and what I thought should be a safe prediction indeed turned out to be safe. Kudos to annual Tithi Pravesha charts!> > Daily charts are a result of my research, but annual charts are tried and tested in our tradition. BTW, I am not disowning daily charts. I only think that there are some missing links. I am confident that oneday I can rectify the charts of cricketers accurately and predict on a daily or even hourly basis. It's just a matter of time (and more work).> > * * *> > To those who are concerned about the pride of astrologer in public predictions and about the main aim of astrology being to help (I am not saying this derisively at all, I genuinely appreciate their concern):> > I am not at all proud of my own abilities. I have made several wrong predictions and will continue to do so. I completely realize it.> > I want to help people, but spreading knowledge and faith in it are a higher priority for me. Instead of spending my time helping 100 people, if I spend it perfecting the knowledge so that it can replicated and spreading this knowledge to 50 people, they can help 5,000 people. So, for every one person I help, I end up frustrating ten persons who approach me for help and go without being helped (sorry!). My priorities are to research and perfect the knowledge and then spread it.> > I am not so interested in the art of astrology and only interestied in the science of astrology. I want to identify principles that can be replicated by others to make predictions and then spread that knowledge. Even when I pray to gods, I do not pray to them to give me correct predictions. I pray to them to give me correct knowledge. If I make a prediction based on a wrong principle, I pray to gods to make it go wrong and allow me to find my mistakes. My goal is to pursue and spread the science of astrology.> > I am glad there are others who concentrate on the art of astrology and spend their energies helping people. But I have a clear goal in front of me and I will pursue that path. We need all kinds of people. Your concern is appreciated though.> > * * *> > > For those who want to learn the meaning of the word "viparita" in Viparita Raja Yoga, this case is the perfect example. Viparita literally means reversal. VRY usually results in a reversal, from one extreme to another. Look at Tendulkar. He was put down by almost everyone. He became the butt of jokes. Michael Holding cracked a joke on him at an award ceremony recently.> > Today, he has a double century, made the highest score of his career and all Indian news papers are heralding his return! He made more Test match runs in these two days than in the entire 2003! Now, that, is a reveral of fortune from one extreme to another. This is a perfect example of Viparita raja yoga.> > Birthdata I used: 24th April 1973, 4:27:56 pm (IST), Bombay, India.> Annual TP chart: 22nd April 2003, 2:06:14 pm (IST), Bombay, India.> > In rasi chart, Moon is the 8th lord from AL in AL. He affects the status and image negatively and gives a fall. His dasa from 9th December 2003 gives fall of status. Remember that Tendulkar's knock of 82 (or 83) in a tour match before the first test was called a strokeful knock of mastery by Australian critics and his low score in the first test was attributed to an umpiring error by Steve Bucknor. He was not criticized until December 9. Sun dasa was ok. Once Moon dasa set in, Tendulkar's status (AL) fell! However, Jupiter is the lord of AL and he has a parivartana with Moon in both rasi and dasamsa. They have VRY in both rasi and dasamsa. So Jupiter antardasa in Moon dasa has to rescue the image and status and effect a reversal of fortune.> > Study the annual TP chart and correlate it with the recent events. You will really understand what VRY means. This is a perfect example.> > * * *> > Thanks to those who congratulated me. It is the greatness of the Tithi Pravesha system and not mine. Fortunately, the birthtime rectified by me is ok and my understanding of the syetem is ok. So it worked well. Whatever logic I have used is very crisp and clear and anyone analyzing this chart will come to the same conclusions. In other words, there is no magic or artistry or beating around the bush. The approach is very systematic, logical and scientific. I am glad it worked.> > * * *> > In a recent mail, Sarajit (I think) asked for my birthdata, as something I said about my D-27 was not correct based on the chart he had. Here is my birthdata: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST), Machilipatnam, India. This was rectified by me for the Vimsottari dasa class.> > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha> ----- Original Message ----- > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > vedic astrology > Monday, December 29, 2003 12:23 AM> Re: Aus-Ind test match Dec 26-30> > > Dear Vijay,> > Though I am open to considering other birthtimes for Tendulkar, I am reasonably confident that the birthtime I use is almost correct. Otherwise, I would not make a prediction. So, I would not want to use wrong birthtime as an excuse for my failure. However, if others want to rectify, they are welcome to do so.> > Perhaps I haven't mastered daily charts enough yet and I should not try making daily or hourly predictions (not that I have made hourly predictions, but I was considering making them).> > But, based on the annual TP chart, I was (and am) more or less convinced that the viparita raja yoga between 8th lord Jupiter and 12th lord Moon in Cancer in D-10 of the annual chart will make Tendulkar break out of the lean patch in Moon-Jupiter antardasa (Dec 26-Jan 5). I may not be good enough to pin-point the dates within this period, but it is my expectation that he will come good in these 10/11 days.> > Today he looked good and made 44 runs. But I do not think the viparita raja yoga gave its result completely. It is yet to give its result fully. There is more time in this antardasa...> > During Dec 30-Jan 4, annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa will be Moon-Jupiter and annual Vimsottari dasa will be Jupiter-Moon. Perhaps that is when Moon-Jupiter VRY will give its full results.> > I still stand by the birthdata I used and the basic prediction that Tendulkar will break out of the lean patch during Dec 26-Jan 5.> > However, cricker enthusiasts among you who are emotionally attached to the game and to Tendulkar should realize that I am not infallible and not create false hopes. I do not decide Tendulkar's fortune, God does. I only try to decipher it. I can fail.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha> > > Dear Mr. Narsimha,> > > > In case if Chart of Tendulkar is not correct, why not the effort are made to correct it astrologically ?> > > > I request the scholars of this discussion group to list down the birth time rectification principles available in vedic astrology and evaluate the validity of those principles by applying them to various charts including that of Tendulkar.> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Kumar> > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Namaste Siva, Here you go again and play that astrologer's PR man, though I requested you not to do so. I normally do not like to comment on these matters, but I have to do so, because you are unreasonably lifting someone to skies. > That reputable astrologer has indeed made more successful mundane > predictions than perhaps anyone alive today. In most cases, he gives > verifiable info on the predictions he has made (such as in so and so > issue of hindi magaginze, panchang, website, journal, BVB classes, > etc). What "verifiable info"? I have seen so many occasions when the gentleman, assuming that we are talking about the same person, claimed to have predicted something that already happened to somebody and occasions when he was not right and yet claimed success. I'll give an example that covers both. When Sehwag made 195 runs and Tendulkar made 0 runs, this gentleman wrote on another list that he had told some people (how convenient!) that Sehwag would do brilliantly and Tendulkar would be lustreless. He even contrasted the scores in that particular innings (195 vs 0) to back his 'private' prediction. Of course, now that Sehwag's series average is 58 and Tendulkar's series average is 76.7, he wouldn't say anything about this comparative prediction that he supposedly made! Instead, he claimed success based on another prediction. He made a prediction in the same mail that Tendulkar would come back after the middle of January. He hedged it a bit by saying that Tendulkar would do better in the remaining innings, even before coming back after Jan 14. What happened since then is not simply Tendulkar doing better in the transition period before coming back, but Tendulkar has already come back with a bang. He made 345 runs since that prediction, losing his wicket only once. He made his career best score and the highest score ever by an Indian outside India. So he has already come back and that too with a huge bang. And it's not yet the middle of January. Yet, the gentleman had the audacity to claim a successful prediction based on the hedge and a follower congratulated him. In the same breath, he derisively wrote about those who want to gate-crash to fame with guessology and sircastically wrote without naming names that a great prediction was being "claimed" regarding Tendulkar. My data may be wrong, but I am not wrongly claiming anything. I did not just predict that Tendulkar would do a little better or something. I predicted a viparita raja yoga and did not even accept a good score like 44 to be it. It takes a hypocrite to claim success with his safe hedge, while sircastically dismissing some people who made a crystal-clear and genuine prediction ahead. I have seen many times that the gentleman in question hedges his predictions safely and claims success either way and also makes claims of having made convenient private predictions (after the fact). All this would still have been acceptable if he wasn't so sircastic and dismissive of others. More than correct predictions, our astrologer community needs honesty and integrity. When I am wrong or not quite right, I always accept it. I normally do not like to engage in personal criticism, but you are unreasonably lifting this gentleman to the skies. Truth has to be told. If you are so self-righteous, confront that gentlaman also when he sircastically dismisses others or claims success when he actually failed. BTW, thanks for your congratulations. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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