Vajpayee birth year to Shri. Narasimha Rao

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha-ji,

Though another list, I came across your website link, where you have used

1924 as the birth year of Vajpayee and made a successful prediction of him

becoming a prime minister in 1998. Now, you are using 1926 as his birth

year and explaining the same event of Shri. Vajpayee becoming a PM in 1988!

 

Can I take it that you are astrologically convinced that 1924 is incorrect

and are now use 1926 as his birth year?

 

http://www.geocities.com/pvr108/050100.htm

 

-Siva.

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>

wrote:

> Dear Imran bhai,

> <snip>

> <snip>

> <snip>

> Take AB Vajpayee for example. His birthdata is: 25 December 1926, 5:10 am

(IST), 78e10, 26n13. [A leading astrologer made a lot of fuss on another

list about getting accurate birthdata and not trusting books and magazines.

In the same breath, he accused astrologers who use this birthdata which is

different from the one given in official biography. He cautions us against

trusting books and yet accuses us of not trusting the official biography.

So ironical! Well, it is believed that they changed the birth year from

1926 to 1924 to put him in school early. Don't believe the official birth

year.]

>

> Sun is in the 10th degree of Sg, i.e. 4th dasamsa of Sg. Ghatika Lagna

(GL), which stands for power and authority, is in the 14th degree of

Cancer, i.e. the 5th dasamsa of Cn. Counting from Sun's dasamsa, GL is in

the 7+(6x10)+5=72nd dasamsa. Thus his 72nd year activated GL fully! His

72nd year ran from Dec 1997 to Dec 1998. It was exactly during this year -

in the spring of 1998 - that he became India's Prime Minister!

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Siva-ji,

 

You sure put me in a spot! :-)

 

Yes, I was using the standard 1924 chart of Vajpayee in 1998. An

astrologer later told me that the birth year was 1926 and that he

got the data from a senior leader of Vajpayee's BJP party. I

simply trusted him and switched the data in an instant.

 

A leading astrologer harped on celebrity birthdata in a long

series of mails on another list recently. As he correctly said,

some Indian politicians intentionally give wrong birthdata. He

even gave the example of somebody who changed the birth year. I

was told the same thing is the case with Vajpayee and trusted the

astrologer who gave me the data. I don't know why that other

astrologer is making so much fuss on another list about official

records and websites etc, as he himself said official biographies

need not be trusted and politicians manipulate their birthdata!

 

* * *

 

Correct predictions do not prove birthdata. This is particularly

true with simple 50-50 predictions. Certainly Vajpayee had a near

50% random chance in 1998.

 

Later, when Vajpayee government was in the danger of falling, I

insisted that he would stay and a golden phase for him would

come after Sept 1999. When his government fell, I temporarily

thought I went wrong and had a tough time reconciling. Then it

became clear that no other party could form the government and

Vajpayee stayed in power till elections. I confidently

predicted that Vajpayee would come back stronger and do a very

good job. All these predictions were made with the new data

(1926) and not the 1924 data. These predictions had a lower

random probability than the 1998 win prediction.

 

You can catch some of these writings at

 

vedic astrology/message/550

vedic astrology/message/630

vedic astrology/message/679

http://www.geocities.com/pvr108/040118.htm

 

* * *

 

Each prediction has a certain random probability. If one guesses

things randomly, one can still be correct. The probability

depends on how precise, detailed and unlikely the prediction is.

If I say Vajpayee will win the next elections, it is 50-50. If

I expect Vajpayee to stay in power even though his alliance is

falling apart, the probability is lower (and hence the prediction

more valuable). If I say Tendulkar will play well in the oneday

tournament that starts tonight, the random probability is 50% or

even more. If I predict when Tendulkar is out of form in test

cricket that he will have a viparita raja yoga in a ten-day

period, the probability is considerably less than 50%.

 

If I predict the month of somebody's marriage, random guess

probability is very low (much less than 10%). If I predict that

a 25-year Indian lady will get married in the next 3 years, the

random guess probability is probably 50%.

 

Like this, not every prediction is the same. Some have a high

chance of coming true and some have a low chance.

 

If several low probability predictions came true with a chart

based on clear logic, then only the data is confirmed. A couple

of 50-50, or even, 30-70 predictions do not prove data even when

they come true. So, strictly speaking I am not 100% sure of the

chart of either Vajpayee or Tendulkar. In the case of Vajpayee,

I just trusted the gentleman who said he got the data from a

senior BJP leader.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Dear Narasimha-ji,

> Though another list, I came across your website link, where you

have used

> 1924 as the birth year of Vajpayee and made a successful prediction

of him

> becoming a prime minister in 1998. Now, you are using 1926 as his

birth

> year and explaining the same event of Shri. Vajpayee becoming a PM

in 1988!

>

> Can I take it that you are astrologically convinced that 1924 is

incorrect

> and are now use 1926 as his birth year?

>

> http://www.geocities.com/pvr108/050100.htm

>

> -Siva.

>

> > Dear Imran bhai,

> > <snip>

> > <snip>

> > <snip>

> > Take AB Vajpayee for example. His birthdata is: 25 December 1926,

5:10 am

> (IST), 78e10, 26n13. [A leading astrologer made a lot of fuss on

another

> list about getting accurate birthdata and not trusting books and

magazines.

> In the same breath, he accused astrologers who use this birthdata

which is

> different from the one given in official biography. He cautions us

against

> trusting books and yet accuses us of not trusting the official

biography.

> So ironical! Well, it is believed that they changed the birth year

from

> 1926 to 1924 to put him in school early. Don't believe the official

birth

> year.]

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Siva asked me to forward this to the list...

 

When you send mails to the list, make sure you address them to the list and

not to a single person. Because of the changes in reply setting, the replies

are addressed to a single person by default. I think people will have

problems for a while remembering this, but they will get used in the long

run.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

-

"schinnas" <schinnas

"pvr108" <pvr

Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:09 PM

Re: Vajpayee birth year to Shri. Narasimha Rao

 

 

> Dear Narasimha-ji,

> Please dont 'ji' me as I am younger to you by many years!

>

> Thanks for the explanation. Just to make sure that I was not

> misunderstood, my intention was not to put you in a spot. I even

> deliberated whether to send it as a private mail to you or to this public

> list. I decided to send it to the list since sometime back when I insisted

> that a correct prediction can be made with incorrect birthdata and that is

> not a reflection on the astrologer but should be taken as a reflection on

> the nature of complexities of Jyotish, that idea was ridiculed. Now, I

hope

> your post will clear the doubts of those friends who dismissed that very

> possibility.

>

> Having observed you for more than an year, I have confidence in your

> sincerity, good intention, ability and Jyotish knowledge. I also have

> similar respect for other leading astrologers whose books that I have

read.

> These kinds of things (people giving intentionally wrong birth data) will

> continue to happen due to Kaliyuga and our previous bad karma. I just hope

> astrologers like you keep on doing the good work you are already doing

> without getting side tracked.

>

> If I am allowed to make a personal opinion here, I would say this:

>

> In terms of mundane predictions, predictions on natural events and

> countries may help establish the reliability of a technique more than

> predicting baswed on possibly incorrect charts of celebrities. IMHO,

> statistically validating through advance predictions on a large number of

> verifiable horoscopes is probably the most scientific and least

> controversial way.

>

> One such test could be to get people who volunteer to provide verifiable

> and acurate birth details of their future children. Then astrologers can

> put their detailed *timed* predictions (and explanation on how they

arrived

> at using a consistent methodology & dasha schemes to filter out intuitive

> predictions) about these children in sealed envelopes which should be

> secured in a bank locker that is accessible only by a reliable neutral

> party, which could be a person or organization of high standing and

> integrity. Astrologers have to put predictions for each year in a separate

> envelope.

>

> Every year, the sealed envelope for that particular year can be opened

> and predictions tallied with what actually happenned to those children in

> that year.

>

> This test calls for a group of honest volunteers, a neutral party to

> handle this test over a period of many years, announce the result, make

> public both the correct and incorrect predictions with proof and

> astrologers willing to participate in it.

>

> This test might take years to fully establish correct techniques or weed

> out incorrect ones. But it is high time such a test is done.

>

> All other existing astrology challenges and proposed Ultimate

> tests/challenges rely on people *already* born whose birth data may not be

> accurate to the second. My wife, who did her intern in a very busy Indian

> Hospital in its pediatric ward told me that hospital records are not

always

> very accurate, since, most of the time, they (doctors) round off the time

> to the nearest 5, 10 or even 15 miutes on a busy day. However, if someone

> chooses to conduct such a long term test statistical study for future

> borns, it is possible to get birth time that are accurate to a second

> without any necessity to "rectify" the chart.

>

> Even after so many centuries, if nobody conducts such a test,

> miscommunication and different interpretations of classical works will

> continue to harm astrology. Untill such a comprehensive test is done, we

> will continue to see controversy and disagreement between each school of

> Jyotish thought.

>

> btw, Which year 1924 or 1926 that better explains the fact that Shri.

> Vajpayee is a bachelor and the personal events in his life, such as the

> demise of his parents, etc?

>

> -Siva.

>

> vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Namaste Siva-ji,

> >

> > You sure put me in a spot! :-)

> >

> > Yes, I was using the standard 1924 chart of Vajpayee in 1998. An

> > astrologer later told me that the birth year was 1926 and that he

> > got the data from a senior leader of Vajpayee's BJP party. I

> > simply trusted him and switched the data in an instant.

> >

> > A leading astrologer harped on celebrity birthdata in a long

> > series of mails on another list recently. As he correctly said,

> > some Indian politicians intentionally give wrong birthdata. He

> > even gave the example of somebody who changed the birth year. I

> > was told the same thing is the case with Vajpayee and trusted the

> > astrologer who gave me the data. I don't know why that other

> > astrologer is making so much fuss on another list about official

> > records and websites etc, as he himself said official biographies

> > need not be trusted and politicians manipulate their birthdata!

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Correct predictions do not prove birthdata. This is particularly

> > true with simple 50-50 predictions. Certainly Vajpayee had a near

> > 50% random chance in 1998.

> >

> > Later, when Vajpayee government was in the danger of falling, I

> > insisted that he would stay and a golden phase for him would

> > come after Sept 1999. When his government fell, I temporarily

> > thought I went wrong and had a tough time reconciling. Then it

> > became clear that no other party could form the government and

> > Vajpayee stayed in power till elections. I confidently

> > predicted that Vajpayee would come back stronger and do a very

> > good job. All these predictions were made with the new data

> > (1926) and not the 1924 data. These predictions had a lower

> > random probability than the 1998 win prediction.

> >

> > You can catch some of these writings at

> >

> > vedic astrology/message/550

> > vedic astrology/message/630

> > vedic astrology/message/679

> > http://www.geocities.com/pvr108/040118.htm

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Each prediction has a certain random probability. If one guesses

> > things randomly, one can still be correct. The probability

> > depends on how precise, detailed and unlikely the prediction is.

> > If I say Vajpayee will win the next elections, it is 50-50. If

> > I expect Vajpayee to stay in power even though his alliance is

> > falling apart, the probability is lower (and hence the prediction

> > more valuable). If I say Tendulkar will play well in the oneday

> > tournament that starts tonight, the random probability is 50% or

> > even more. If I predict when Tendulkar is out of form in test

> > cricket that he will have a viparita raja yoga in a ten-day

> > period, the probability is considerably less than 50%.

> >

> > If I predict the month of somebody's marriage, random guess

> > probability is very low (much less than 10%). If I predict that

> > a 25-year Indian lady will get married in the next 3 years, the

> > random guess probability is probably 50%.

> >

> > Like this, not every prediction is the same. Some have a high

> > chance of coming true and some have a low chance.

> >

> > If several low probability predictions came true with a chart

> > based on clear logic, then only the data is confirmed. A couple

> > of 50-50, or even, 30-70 predictions do not prove data even when

> > they come true. So, strictly speaking I am not 100% sure of the

> > chart of either Vajpayee or Tendulkar. In the case of Vajpayee,

> > I just trusted the gentleman who said he got the data from a

> > senior BJP leader.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Siva very well written. Narasimha-Ji keep up the good work.

 

Raj"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste,Siva asked me to forward this to the list...When you send mails to the

list, make sure you address them to the list andnot to a single person. Because

of the changes in reply setting, the repliesare addressed to a single person by

default. I think people will haveproblems for a while remembering this, but

they will get used in the longrun.May Jupiter's light shine on

us,Narasimha-"schinnas"

<schinnas >"pvr108" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>Thursday, January 08,

2004 6:09 PMRe: Vajpayee birth year to Shri. Narasimha Rao> Dear

Narasimha-ji,> Please dont 'ji' me as I am younger to you by many years!>>

Thanks for the explanation. Just to make sure that I was not> misunderstood, my

intention was

not to put you in a spot. I even> deliberated whether to send it as a private

mail to you or to this public> list. I decided to send it to the list since

sometime back when I insisted> that a correct prediction can be made with

incorrect birthdata and that is> not a reflection on the astrologer but should

be taken as a reflection on> the nature of complexities of Jyotish, that idea

was ridiculed. Now, Ihope> your post will clear the doubts of those friends who

dismissed that very> possibility.>> Having observed you for more than an year,

I have confidence in your> sincerity, good intention, ability and Jyotish

knowledge. I also have> similar respect for other leading astrologers whose

books that I haveread.> These kinds of things (people giving intentionally

wrong birth data) will> continue to happen due to Kaliyuga and our previous bad

karma. I just hope> astrologers

like you keep on doing the good work you are already doing> without getting side

tracked.>> If I am allowed to make a personal opinion here, I would say this:>>

In terms of mundane predictions, predictions on natural events and> countries

may help establish the reliability of a technique more than> predicting baswed

on possibly incorrect charts of celebrities. IMHO,> statistically validating

through advance predictions on a large number of> verifiable horoscopes is

probably the most scientific and least> controversial way.>> One such test

could be to get people who volunteer to provide verifiable> and acurate birth

details of their future children. Then astrologers can> put their detailed

*timed* predictions (and explanation on how theyarrived> at using a consistent

methodology & dasha schemes to filter out intuitive> predictions) about these

children in sealed envelopes which should be> secured in a bank locker that is

accessible only by a reliable neutral> party, which could be a person or

organization of high standing and> integrity. Astrologers have to put

predictions for each year in a separate> envelope.>> Every year, the sealed

envelope for that particular year can be opened> and predictions tallied with

what actually happenned to those children in> that year.>> This test calls for

a group of honest volunteers, a neutral party to> handle this test over a period

of many years, announce the result, make> public both the correct and incorrect

predictions with proof and> astrologers willing to participate in it.>> This

test might take years to fully establish correct techniques or weed> out

incorrect ones. But it is high time such a test is done.>> All other existing

astrology challenges and proposed Ultimate> tests/challenges rely on people

*already* born whose birth data may not be> accurate to the second. My wife,

who did her intern in a very busy Indian> Hospital in its pediatric ward told

me that hospital records are notalways> very accurate, since, most of the time,

they (doctors) round off the time> to the nearest 5, 10 or even 15 miutes on a

busy day. However, if someone> chooses to conduct such a long term test

statistical study for future> borns, it is possible to get birth time that are

accurate to a second> without any necessity to "rectify" the chart.>> Even

after so many centuries, if nobody conducts such a test,> miscommunication and

different interpretations of classical works will> continue to harm astrology.

Untill such a comprehensive test is done, we> will continue to see controversy

and disagreement between each school

of> Jyotish thought.>> btw, Which year 1924 or 1926 that better explains the

fact that Shri.> Vajpayee is a bachelor and the personal events in his life,

such as the> demise of his parents, etc?>> -Siva.>> --- In

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:> > Namaste

Siva-ji,> >> > You sure put me in a spot! :-)> >> > Yes, I was using the

standard 1924 chart of Vajpayee in 1998. An> > astrologer later told me that

the birth year was 1926 and that he> > got the data from a senior leader of

Vajpayee's BJP party. I> > simply trusted him and switched the data in an

instant.> >> > A leading astrologer harped on celebrity birthdata in a long> >

series of mails on another list recently. As he correctly said,> > some Indian

politicians intentionally give wrong birthdata. He>

> even gave the example of somebody who changed the birth year. I> > was told

the same thing is the case with Vajpayee and trusted the> > astrologer who gave

me the data. I don't know why that other> > astrologer is making so much fuss on

another list about official> > records and websites etc, as he himself said

official biographies> > need not be trusted and politicians manipulate their

birthdata!> >> > * * *> >> > Correct predictions do not prove

birthdata. This is particularly> > true with simple 50-50 predictions.

Certainly Vajpayee had a near> > 50% random chance in 1998.> >> > Later, when

Vajpayee government was in the danger of falling, I> > insisted that he would

stay and a golden phase for him would> > come after Sept 1999. When his

government fell, I temporarily> > thought I went wrong and had a tough time

reconciling. Then it> > became clear that no other party could form the

government and> > Vajpayee stayed in power till elections. I confidently> >

predicted that Vajpayee would come back stronger and do a very> > good job. All

these predictions were made with the new data> > (1926) and not the 1924 data.

These predictions had a lower> > random probability than the 1998 win

prediction.> >> > You can catch some of these writings at> >> >

vedic astrology/message/550> >

vedic astrology/message/630> >

vedic astrology/message/679> >

http://www.geocities.com/pvr108/040118.htm> >> > * * *> >> > Each

prediction has a certain random probability. If one guesses> > things randomly,

one can still be correct. The probability> > depends on how precise, detailed

and unlikely the prediction is.> > If I say Vajpayee will win the next

elections, it is 50-50. If> > I expect Vajpayee to stay in power even though

his alliance is> > falling apart, the probability is lower (and hence the

prediction> > more valuable). If I say Tendulkar will play well in the oneday>

> tournament that starts tonight, the random probability is 50% or> >

even more. If I predict when Tendulkar is out of form in test> > cricket that he

will have a viparita raja yoga in a ten-day> > period, the probability is

considerably less than 50%.> >> > If I predict the month of somebody's

marriage, random guess> > probability is very low (much less than 10%). If I

predict that> > a 25-year Indian lady will get married in the next 3 years,

the> > random guess probability is probably 50%.> >> > Like this, not every

prediction is the same. Some have a high> > chance of coming true and some have

a low chance.> >> > If several low probability predictions came true with a

chart> > based on clear logic, then only the data is confirmed. A couple> > of

50-50, or even, 30-70 predictions do not prove data even when> > they come

true. So, strictly speaking I am not 100% sure of the> > chart of either

Vajpayee or Tendulkar. In the case of Vajpayee,> > I just trusted the gentleman

who said he got the data from a> > senior BJP leader.> >> > May Jupiter's light

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