Karma and Free will--To Ved_Ram and Gurus

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Hello Ram:

 

Thanks for your note. Your example of Mleccha is good; however,

Mleccha also means foreigners.

 

A lot of us live amongst foreigners and there are good ones and bad

ones.

 

The theory of Karma and free-will is so deep and complicated that it

may take a life time and probably some divine experience to

comprehend.

 

I haven't even ventured into the mass-deaths (plane crashes,

earthquakes, etc.)--how can we explain these--have they ALL committed

such bad Karma that they had to die a violent death?

 

Also, how do we explain atrocities being committed on children? If

you're from Bombay or familiar with the culture there, you'll know

that a lot of underaged girls from Nepal and poor states are being

sold into prostituion--what bad Karma have these girls done? Why are

they being raped and assaulted everyday and these atrocities on their

bodies continue for the next 10-12 years of their lives?

 

Is God sleeping when all of these atrocities on TOTALLY, GENUINELY,

innocent children are being committed?

 

As I said earlier, I'm not enlightened enough to understand or even

pretend to understand the intricacies of the theory of Karma and free-

will. I think it takes an enlightened soul to seek the truth and

understand this.

 

All I know and understand and practice is if I knowingly do bad to

others, bad will happen to me AND if I knowingly do good to other,

good will happen to me.

 

Mukund

 

YOU WROTE:

 

dear mukund,

>

> nice to see good arguments by you, sudharsan, ivar,

> etc. yes i agree

> with you that there is no free will but at the same

> time i also agree

> with sudharsan that the degrees of freedom(free

> will) are decided by

> your past karma.this principle is applicable only

> for free will

> in mundane world but certainly not in spiritual

> world.the effects of

> maya regarding spiritual advancement are nullified

> by the amount of

> effort you put for spiritual progress.but, the

> amount of effort you

> need to put also depends on the karma you

> accumulated in the past

> birth(s)< this is inevitable as you are in mundane

> world>.Hence

> sudharsan's interpretation is more accurate and

> logical than your

> blunt interpretation " there is no free will".

>

> to be more simple

> say you are having all saptavyasanas(7 bad

> qualities) in this life

> then as per your karma in this birth (say) you have

> taken birth of a

> mleccha( means who doesnt have any human qaulities

> and who behaves

> like an animal inspite of being human being). then

> as per your theory

> of no free will, he/she has to take still worst form

> in the next

> birth.so, there is no question of liberation from

> this world full of

> misery (where there is nothing which can give

> eternal bliss).

>

> krishna clearly says that the ultimate goal of jiva

> is liberation and

> what we mean by liberation,we can discuss in a

> seperate topic

>

> hope i have not hurt your feelings. i am only trying

> to convey my

> opinion

>

> yours humbly

> ram