To Mukund Desai / public predictions

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....And once we get Astrology fully recognized, as an all-encompassing-scientific entity..

 

/my 'inspired neologisms' follow/,

 

Nicholas should get the post of a Chief of 'Anti-Pro- Diplomats', /huge

Department!/

Narasimha would lead 'Mass-Fire-Setter-Persuasive-Enthusiasts Dpt' /elite Dpt/

 

In a meantime, clean hearts, enthusiasm and faith and research, research..will suffice

 

 

pvr108 <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste all,Nicholas, what you said about the public predictions by leading

astrologers ("failrly limited and mixed record") is far more acceptable than

the original nonsensical sweeping statements by Mukund. He called Sanjay's

teachings "mumbo jumbo" and claimed no astrologers can make accurate

predictions. The same guy was earlier "intrigued" by an "accurate" prediction I

made about his 3rd wife based on his chart and put it on the record here. The

same guy recommended people here, a while ago, to get Sanjay's readings and

claimed that Sanjay revealed a lot of things about himself that nobody other

than himself knew. And, the same guy is now making a sweeping statement that no

astrologer can predict. Clearly, Mukund is a childish astrology enthusiast who

suddenly became disillusioned.Nevertheless, the point you make is

thought-provoking. Like Anna said, the main purpose of astrology is to help.

But, given the confused state affairs in the world of astrology, it is also the

duty of intelligent scholars to sort the mess out. In other words, doing

research, resolving controversies and getting recognition for astrology in the

mainstream academia - the three activities are inter-linked - are as important

as using the existing knowledge to help people.All the mis-steps by various

astrologers are a necessary step in eventually establishing astrology as a

science (atleast a soft science).If you think that everybody making public

predictions is doing it for fame or self-aggrandizement, you could be wrong.

Some astrologers may be making predictions to get recognition for astrology

rather than to themselves and also to perfect the knowledge.Things always seem

to be working when you are not critical and not looking to make

predictions.One big difference between personal readings and celebrity readings

is that celebrity birthdata is sometimes suspect. For example, there are

multiple charts for Schwarzenegger, for Clarke, for Dean, for Clinton, for

Tendulkar and many other celebrities. When we do private charts, people often

know the birthtime within 10 min and it becomes easier to rectify. With some

celebrity charts, you don't even know the lagna for sure. It is not at all easy

to rectify in such cases. This is one problem in celebrity predictions.Anyway,

thanks for the nice points raised.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha>

Dear Nicholas,> > This a great point! Astrologer's main task is to serve and

help, heal, that's how I see it. By doing that she is accordance with her major

'mission' and divine help is always available-> not different from psychotherapy

when the right word, the right

approach appears from deeper levels to 'heal' the client. Astrology is a healing

art, and situation that you explained so nicely does happen regularly- bragging,

self-aggrandizement, mystification do seem to be 'sabotaged' /from above or from

deeper level inside of us/ to make us humble, yes, but also to remind us of our

major purpose. > > I got hooked to Jyotish Vidia idea, because I feel, and

have experienced that when we employ our subtle faculties in selfless desire to

help, /seemingly/ 'miracles' do happen.> > This is not 'technology' that's how

Universe work.> > Best wishes,> Anna> > Nicholas <jyotish108@h...> wrote:>

Dear Mukund and Nrsma> > I think Mukund raises an interesting point . From

what I have seen public predictions even by the big name astrologers such as K

N Rao , Sanjay Rath , Nrsma Rao , ,

Chakrapani have a fairly mixed and limited record . I haven't seen a vedic

astrologer who performs at such a level that they would sew seeds of doubt in

a hardened skeptic .> > My experience is that the best jyotish comes out when

the astrologer is just using the divine science to help others rather than

making public predictions or solving puzzles. I have seen people come stressed

to a Vedic astrologer who then produces a masterful and accuarate reading . But

the same astrologer flounders when trying to predict the course of public

events .> > I suspect it is the way of the creator to keep us humble.> >

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Dear Nrsma

 

Thanks and thanks especially for taking my comments in the right way . I

realised later that I should not have mentioned names .

 

One thing that occurred to me later is that the creator gives free will and

those who want to disbelieve karma,reincarnation , jyotish etc . are also

given a chance to follow such beliefs so that the evidence for any of them

is not irrefutable . I know the astrologers mentioned have produced results

that are far superior to random guessing but I would be hard pressed to

convince a seasoned skeptic of it .

 

Your point that not everyone who makes public predictions is after self

aggrandisement is valid .Predictions might be a testing ground for a

technique or chart but if self aggrandisement is a factor then it is likely

it will cloud the judgement .

 

Thanks again and I apologise if I offended anyone in my original posting . I

should be twice as careful on Tuesdays ( Mars' days)

Nicholas

 

 

> : Namaste all,

> :

> : Nicholas, what you said about the public predictions by leading

> : astrologers ("failrly limited and mixed record") is far more

> : acceptable than the original nonsensical sweeping statements by

> : Mukund. He called Sanjay's teachings "mumbo jumbo" and claimed no

> : astrologers can make accurate predictions. The same guy was

> : earlier "intrigued" by an "accurate" prediction I made about his 3rd

> : wife based on his chart and put it on the record here. The same guy

> : recommended people here, a while ago, to get Sanjay's readings and

> : claimed that Sanjay revealed a lot of things about himself that

> : nobody other than himself knew. And, the same guy is now making a

> : sweeping statement that no astrologer can predict. Clearly, Mukund

> : is a childish astrology enthusiast who suddenly became disillusioned.

> :

> : Nevertheless, the point you make is thought-provoking. Like Anna

> : said, the main purpose of astrology is to help. But, given the

> : confused state affairs in the world of astrology, it is also the

> : duty of intelligent scholars to sort the mess out. In other words,

> : doing research, resolving controversies and getting recognition for

> : astrology in the mainstream academia - the three activities are

> : inter-linked - are as important as using the existing knowledge to

> : help people.

> :

> : All the mis-steps by various astrologers are a necessary step in

> : eventually establishing astrology as a science (atleast a soft

> : science).

> :

> : If you think that everybody making public predictions is doing it

> : for fame or self-aggrandizement, you could be wrong. Some

> : astrologers may be making predictions to get recognition for

> : astrology rather than to themselves and also to perfect the

> : knowledge.

> :

> : Things always seem to be working when you are not critical and not

> : looking to make predictions.

> :

> : One big difference between personal readings and celebrity readings

> : is that celebrity birthdata is sometimes suspect. For example, there

> : are multiple charts for Schwarzenegger, for Clarke, for Dean, for

> : Clinton, for Tendulkar and many other celebrities. When we do

> : private charts, people often know the birthtime within 10 min and it

> : becomes easier to rectify. With some celebrity charts, you don't

> : even know the lagna for sure. It is not at all easy to rectify in

> : such cases. This is one problem in celebrity predictions.

> :

> : Anyway, thanks for the nice points raised.

> :

> : May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> : Narasimha

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Dear Nicholas,

 

"Predictions might be a testing ground for atechnique or chart but if self

aggrandisement is a factor then it is likelyit will cloud the judgement .

Good understanding of my message!

"Thanks again and I apologise if I offended anyone in my original posting .

Ishould be twice as careful on Tuesdays"

Please don't! Don't be more careful- if you become too 'perfect' nobody will

know what you really think!

/There is a thin line btw diplomacy and opportunism, you know, ha, ha!/ Sorry

for my sense of humour, Mars is my RY, and it's Tuesday morning in this part of

the world! Besides my role is more of a 'martyr' than that of a diplomat, LOL!

/Thanks, received m./

Best regards

AnnaNicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear NrsmaThanks and thanks especially for taking my comments in the right way .

Irealised later that I should not have mentioned names .One thing that occurred

to me later is that the creator gives free will andthose who want to disbelieve

karma,reincarnation , jyotish etc . are alsogiven a chance to follow such

beliefs so that the evidence for any of themis not irrefutable . I know the

astrologers mentioned have produced resultsthat are far superior to random

guessing but I would be hard pressed toconvince a seasoned skeptic of it .Your

point that not everyone who makes public predictions is after

selfaggrandisement is valid .Predictions might be a testing ground for

atechnique or chart but if self aggrandisement is a factor then it is likelyit

will cloud the judgement .Thanks again and I apologise if I offended

anyone in my original posting . Ishould be twice as careful on Tuesdays ( Mars'

days)Nicholas> : Namaste all,> :> : Nicholas, what you said about the public

predictions by leading> : astrologers ("failrly limited and mixed record") is

far more> : acceptable than the original nonsensical sweeping statements by> :

Mukund. He called Sanjay's teachings "mumbo jumbo" and claimed no> :

astrologers can make accurate predictions. The same guy was> : earlier

"intrigued" by an "accurate" prediction I made about his 3rd> : wife based on

his chart and put it on the record here. The same guy> : recommended people

here, a while ago, to get Sanjay's readings and> : claimed that Sanjay revealed

a lot of things about himself that> : nobody other than himself knew. And, the

same guy is now making a> : sweeping statement that no astrologer can predict.

Clearly, Mukund> : is a childish

astrology enthusiast who suddenly became disillusioned.> :> : Nevertheless, the

point you make is thought-provoking. Like Anna> : said, the main purpose of

astrology is to help. But, given the> : confused state affairs in the world of

astrology, it is also the> : duty of intelligent scholars to sort the mess out.

In other words,> : doing research, resolving controversies and getting

recognition for> : astrology in the mainstream academia - the three activities

are> : inter-linked - are as important as using the existing knowledge to> :

help people.> :> : All the mis-steps by various astrologers are a necessary

step in> : eventually establishing astrology as a science (atleast a soft> :

science).> :> : If you think that everybody making public predictions is doing

it> : for fame or self-aggrandizement, you could be wrong. Some> : astrologers

may be making predictions

to get recognition for> : astrology rather than to themselves and also to

perfect the> : knowledge.> :> : Things always seem to be working when you are

not critical and not> : looking to make predictions.> :> : One big difference

between personal readings and celebrity readings> : is that celebrity birthdata

is sometimes suspect. For example, there> : are multiple charts for

Schwarzenegger, for Clarke, for Dean, for> : Clinton, for Tendulkar and many

other celebrities. When we do> : private charts, people often know the

birthtime within 10 min and it> : becomes easier to rectify. With some

celebrity charts, you don't> : even know the lagna for sure. It is not at all

easy to rectify in> : such cases. This is one problem in celebrity

predictions.> :> : Anyway, thanks for the nice points raised.> :> : May

Jupiter's light shine on us,> :

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