Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 This a great point! Astrologer's main task is to serve and help, heal, that's how I see it. By doing that she is accordance with her major 'mission' and divine help is always available- not different from psychotherapy when the right word, the right approach appears from deeper levels to 'heal' the client. Astrology is a healing art, and situation that you explained so nicely does happen regularly- bragging, self-aggrandizement, mystification do seem to be 'sabotaged' /from above or from deeper level inside of us/ to make us humble, yes, but also to remind us of our major purpose. I got hooked to Jyotish Vidia idea, because I feel, and have experienced that when we employ our subtle faculties in selfless desire to help, /seemingly/ 'miracles' do happen. This is not 'technology' that's how Universe work. Best wishes, AnnaNicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Mukund and Nrsma I think Mukund raises an interesting point . From what I have seen public predictions even by the big name astrologers such as K N Rao , Sanjay Rath , Nrsma Rao , , Chakrapani have a fairly mixed and limited record . I haven't seen a vedic astrologer who performs at such a level that they would sew seeds of doubt in a hardened skeptic . My experience is that the best jyotish comes out when the astrologer is just using the divine science to help others rather than making public predictions or solving puzzles. I have seen people come stressed to a Vedic astrologer who then produces a masterful and accuarate reading . But the same astrologer flounders when trying to predict the course of public events . I suspect it is the way of the creator to keep us humble. Nicholas Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Monday, December 29, 2003 5:23 AM [vedic astrology] To Mukund Desai Namaste Mukund, > I've even heard Sanjay talk about some "family jyotish > secrets he learned from grandpa kashinath" that he is NOW opening up > to the public.--what mumbo, jumbo. Dude, nobody is forcing you to learn anything. You have no business calling it "mumbo, jumbo". Sanjay did indeed teach gems from tradition that are not available anywhere else. Examples are Tithi Pravesha and Kashninatha Hora chart. If you are overwhelmed by this and want to believe that this knowledge is not worth learning, please walk away instead of bad-mouthing us. It is quite uncivil to call it "mumbo, jumbo" just because you suddenly feel so. BTW, Sanjay's grandpa is Pt. Jagannath Rath. Kashninath ji is his paternal uncle. > And, the reality is that NO ASTROLOGER including the great ones like > Sanjay, KN Rao, Braha, Huock (deceased), Rohini Ranjan can make an > accurate prediction. -- Ya, they are all VERY GOOD at post-> moterm,i.e. associating events (after they've happened) to planetary > combinations; howeve, none can make an accurate prediction or even > dare to make predictions as the probability of failing is extremely > high and they know it. -- Just take the case of Sachin Tendulkar, if > you ask one of these great astrologers, ALL will come up with some > planetary excuse for his recent faliures; however, no-one accurately > predicted his faliure (before the fact), in-fact, Narshimha predicted > a GOOD score for Sachin. > > Mukund In a message on this list in September 2002, you wrote the following (you addressed me as "PVR"): "PVR, you're are a true guru. What intrigues me is that how can you predict stuff about my wife (that too 3rd) from MY CHART? And all of these prediction about a wife from a husbands chart is accurate—you have never seen my wife's chart before making this prediction. Thanks for everything, hope you keep helping people for many more years to come." Please check the following message for the quotes: Your mail: vedic astrology/message/17857 The above message was posted by you and hence you have the right to delete it in the archives. In case you do so, readers can access your mail above quoted in my reply at: vedic astrology/message/17860 Now you claim that no astrologer can actually "make an accurate prediction". This is unfair at best and childish at worst. Several members, including me, solved 'blind puzzles' on this list and made public predictions, several times successfully. Sometimes, some of us made predictions to members (or their friends), which were confirmed later. If you allow some failures to color your vision and make a sweeping statement such as what you made above, it only demonstrates how immature and/or confused you are. Just contrast the quote I gave from Sept 2002 and the sweeping generalization you wrote above! How can somebody so "intrigued" by "accurate" predictions about "my wife (that too 3rd) from MY CHART" say that "none can make an accurate prediction" about the whole astrologer community? I hope your inconsistency is due to immaturity and lack of clarity of thinking, rather than dishonesty, insincerity or any kind of vindictiveness. I most certainly do not want credit that I do not deserve. If my knowledge is incomplete and a prediction goes wrong, I am humble enough to accept failure and patient enough to study more and keep trying. But, your attack on me and the entire community is unjustified. 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Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Namaste all, Nicholas, what you said about the public predictions by leading astrologers ("failrly limited and mixed record") is far more acceptable than the original nonsensical sweeping statements by Mukund. He called Sanjay's teachings "mumbo jumbo" and claimed no astrologers can make accurate predictions. The same guy was earlier "intrigued" by an "accurate" prediction I made about his 3rd wife based on his chart and put it on the record here. The same guy recommended people here, a while ago, to get Sanjay's readings and claimed that Sanjay revealed a lot of things about himself that nobody other than himself knew. And, the same guy is now making a sweeping statement that no astrologer can predict. Clearly, Mukund is a childish astrology enthusiast who suddenly became disillusioned. Nevertheless, the point you make is thought-provoking. Like Anna said, the main purpose of astrology is to help. But, given the confused state affairs in the world of astrology, it is also the duty of intelligent scholars to sort the mess out. In other words, doing research, resolving controversies and getting recognition for astrology in the mainstream academia - the three activities are inter-linked - are as important as using the existing knowledge to help people. All the mis-steps by various astrologers are a necessary step in eventually establishing astrology as a science (atleast a soft science). If you think that everybody making public predictions is doing it for fame or self-aggrandizement, you could be wrong. Some astrologers may be making predictions to get recognition for astrology rather than to themselves and also to perfect the knowledge. Things always seem to be working when you are not critical and not looking to make predictions. One big difference between personal readings and celebrity readings is that celebrity birthdata is sometimes suspect. For example, there are multiple charts for Schwarzenegger, for Clarke, for Dean, for Clinton, for Tendulkar and many other celebrities. When we do private charts, people often know the birthtime within 10 min and it becomes easier to rectify. With some celebrity charts, you don't even know the lagna for sure. It is not at all easy to rectify in such cases. This is one problem in celebrity predictions. Anyway, thanks for the nice points raised. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Nicholas, > > This a great point! Astrologer's main task is to serve and help, heal, that's how I see it. By doing that she is accordance with her major 'mission' and divine help is always available- > not different from psychotherapy when the right word, the right approach appears from deeper levels to 'heal' the client. Astrology is a healing art, and situation that you explained so nicely does happen regularly- bragging, self-aggrandizement, mystification do seem to be 'sabotaged' /from above or from deeper level inside of us/ to make us humble, yes, but also to remind us of our major purpose. > > I got hooked to Jyotish Vidia idea, because I feel, and have experienced that when we employ our subtle faculties in selfless desire to help, /seemingly/ 'miracles' do happen. > > This is not 'technology' that's how Universe work. > > Best wishes, > Anna > > Nicholas <jyotish108@h...> wrote: > Dear Mukund and Nrsma > > I think Mukund raises an interesting point . From what I have seen public predictions even by the big name astrologers such as K N Rao , Sanjay Rath , Nrsma Rao , , Chakrapani have a fairly mixed and limited record . I haven't seen a vedic astrologer who performs at such a level that they would sew seeds of doubt in a hardened skeptic . > > My experience is that the best jyotish comes out when the astrologer is just using the divine science to help others rather than making public predictions or solving puzzles. I have seen people come stressed to a Vedic astrologer who then produces a masterful and accuarate reading . But the same astrologer flounders when trying to predict the course of public events . > > I suspect it is the way of the creator to keep us humble. > > Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 - Nicholas Sateesh Batas Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:30 PM Re: [vedic astrology] To Mukund Desai / public predictions Dear Viswanadam Hare Rama Krishna Dear Nicholas, Well said. i may add that for the same reason best of the predictions remain private. When leading astrologers extoll the efficacy of astrology, they have a few well known failures to cope up with. There have been some outstanding predictions . But certainly noone who has made many predictions hasn't also had many duds in there . So, one needs to experience astrology to understand its efficacy! Do you agree? Yes Best wishes Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Mr. Narasimha, Excellent! Your rebuttal to Mr. Mukund's allegations was fair, logical and compelling, and was completely devoid of mud slinging. I already have a high opinion of you and your capabilities through your postings on astrology and religion, as well as your software, and taking time to moderate this newsgroup. But grace under pressure, and refusing to descend to personal attacks, even when someone attacks you or something you hold dear - now, THAT's admirable! Keep it coming! -venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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