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This a great point! Astrologer's main task is to serve and help, heal, that's

how I see it. By doing that she is accordance with her major 'mission' and

divine help is always available-

not different from psychotherapy when the right word, the right approach appears

from deeper levels to 'heal' the client. Astrology is a healing art, and

situation that you explained so nicely does happen regularly- bragging,

self-aggrandizement, mystification do seem to be 'sabotaged' /from above or

from deeper level inside of us/ to make us humble, yes, but also to remind us

of our major purpose.

 

I got hooked to Jyotish Vidia idea, because I feel, and have experienced that

when we employ our subtle faculties in selfless desire to help, /seemingly/

'miracles' do happen.

 

This is not 'technology' that's how Universe work.

 

Best wishes,

AnnaNicholas <jyotish108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Mukund and Nrsma

 

I think Mukund raises an interesting point . From what I have seen public

predictions even by the big name astrologers such as K N Rao , Sanjay Rath ,

Nrsma Rao , , Chakrapani have a fairly mixed and limited record .

I haven't seen a vedic astrologer who performs at such a level that they would

sew seeds of doubt in a hardened skeptic .

 

My experience is that the best jyotish comes out when the astrologer is just

using the divine science to help others rather than making public predictions

or solving puzzles. I have seen people come stressed to a Vedic astrologer who

then produces a masterful and accuarate reading . But the same astrologer

flounders when trying to predict the course of public events .

 

I suspect it is the way of the creator to keep us humble.

 

Nicholas

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

vedic astrology

Monday, December 29, 2003 5:23 AM

[vedic astrology] To Mukund Desai

Namaste Mukund,

 

> I've even heard Sanjay talk about some "family jyotish > secrets he learned

from grandpa kashinath" that he is NOW opening up > to the public.--what mumbo,

jumbo.

 

Dude, nobody is forcing you to learn anything. You have no business calling it

"mumbo, jumbo". Sanjay did indeed teach gems from tradition that are not

available anywhere else. Examples are Tithi Pravesha and Kashninatha Hora

chart.

 

If you are overwhelmed by this and want to believe that this knowledge is not

worth learning, please walk away instead of bad-mouthing us. It is quite

uncivil to call it "mumbo, jumbo" just because you suddenly feel so.

 

BTW, Sanjay's grandpa is Pt. Jagannath Rath. Kashninath ji is his paternal uncle.

> And, the reality is that NO ASTROLOGER including the great ones like > Sanjay,

KN Rao, Braha, Huock (deceased), Rohini Ranjan can make an > accurate

prediction. -- Ya, they are all VERY GOOD at post-> moterm,i.e. associating

events (after they've happened) to planetary > combinations; howeve, none can

make an accurate prediction or even > dare to make predictions as the

probability of failing is extremely > high and they know it. -- Just take the

case of Sachin Tendulkar, if > you ask one of these great astrologers, ALL will

come up with some > planetary excuse for his recent faliures; however, no-one

accurately > predicted his faliure (before the fact), in-fact, Narshimha

predicted > a GOOD score for Sachin. > > Mukund

 

In a message on this list in September 2002, you wrote the following (you addressed me as "PVR"):

 

"PVR, you're are a true guru. What intrigues me is that how can you predict

stuff about my wife (that too 3rd) from MY CHART? And all of these prediction

about a wife from a husbands chart is accurate—you have never seen my wife's

chart before making this prediction. Thanks for everything, hope you keep

helping people for many more years to come."

 

Please check the following message for the quotes:

 

Your mail:

 

vedic astrology/message/17857

 

The above message was posted by you and hence you have the right to delete it in

the archives. In case you do so, readers can access your mail above quoted in my

reply at:

 

vedic astrology/message/17860

 

Now you claim that no astrologer can actually "make an accurate prediction".

This is unfair at best and childish at worst.

 

Several members, including me, solved 'blind puzzles' on this list and made

public predictions, several times successfully. Sometimes, some of us made

predictions to members (or their friends), which were confirmed later. If you

allow some failures to color your vision and make a sweeping statement such as

what you made above, it only demonstrates how immature and/or confused you are.

 

Just contrast the quote I gave from Sept 2002 and the sweeping generalization

you wrote above! How can somebody so "intrigued" by "accurate" predictions

about "my wife (that too 3rd) from MY CHART" say that "none can make an

accurate prediction" about the whole astrologer community? I hope your

inconsistency is due to immaturity and lack of clarity of thinking, rather than

dishonesty, insincerity or any kind of vindictiveness.

 

I most certainly do not want credit that I do not deserve. If my knowledge is

incomplete and a prediction goes wrong, I am humble enough to accept failure

and patient enough to study more and keep trying. But, your attack on me and

the entire community is unjustified.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

PVR Narasimha Rao

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Namaste all,

 

Nicholas, what you said about the public predictions by leading

astrologers ("failrly limited and mixed record") is far more

acceptable than the original nonsensical sweeping statements by

Mukund. He called Sanjay's teachings "mumbo jumbo" and claimed no

astrologers can make accurate predictions. The same guy was

earlier "intrigued" by an "accurate" prediction I made about his 3rd

wife based on his chart and put it on the record here. The same guy

recommended people here, a while ago, to get Sanjay's readings and

claimed that Sanjay revealed a lot of things about himself that

nobody other than himself knew. And, the same guy is now making a

sweeping statement that no astrologer can predict. Clearly, Mukund

is a childish astrology enthusiast who suddenly became disillusioned.

 

Nevertheless, the point you make is thought-provoking. Like Anna

said, the main purpose of astrology is to help. But, given the

confused state affairs in the world of astrology, it is also the

duty of intelligent scholars to sort the mess out. In other words,

doing research, resolving controversies and getting recognition for

astrology in the mainstream academia - the three activities are

inter-linked - are as important as using the existing knowledge to

help people.

 

All the mis-steps by various astrologers are a necessary step in

eventually establishing astrology as a science (atleast a soft

science).

 

If you think that everybody making public predictions is doing it

for fame or self-aggrandizement, you could be wrong. Some

astrologers may be making predictions to get recognition for

astrology rather than to themselves and also to perfect the

knowledge.

 

Things always seem to be working when you are not critical and not

looking to make predictions.

 

One big difference between personal readings and celebrity readings

is that celebrity birthdata is sometimes suspect. For example, there

are multiple charts for Schwarzenegger, for Clarke, for Dean, for

Clinton, for Tendulkar and many other celebrities. When we do

private charts, people often know the birthtime within 10 min and it

becomes easier to rectify. With some celebrity charts, you don't

even know the lagna for sure. It is not at all easy to rectify in

such cases. This is one problem in celebrity predictions.

 

Anyway, thanks for the nice points raised.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Dear Nicholas,

>

> This a great point! Astrologer's main task is to serve and help,

heal, that's how I see it. By doing that she is accordance with her

major 'mission' and divine help is always available-

> not different from psychotherapy when the right word, the right

approach appears from deeper levels to 'heal' the client. Astrology

is a healing art, and situation that you explained so nicely does

happen regularly- bragging, self-aggrandizement, mystification do

seem to be 'sabotaged' /from above or from deeper level inside of

us/ to make us humble, yes, but also to remind us of our major

purpose.

>

> I got hooked to Jyotish Vidia idea, because I feel, and have

experienced that when we employ our subtle faculties in selfless

desire to help, /seemingly/ 'miracles' do happen.

>

> This is not 'technology' that's how Universe work.

>

> Best wishes,

> Anna

>

> Nicholas <jyotish108@h...> wrote:

> Dear Mukund and Nrsma

>

> I think Mukund raises an interesting point . From what I have seen

public predictions even by the big name astrologers such as K N

Rao , Sanjay Rath , Nrsma Rao , , Chakrapani have a

fairly mixed and limited record . I haven't seen a vedic astrologer

who performs at such a level that they would sew seeds of doubt in

a hardened skeptic .

>

> My experience is that the best jyotish comes out when the

astrologer is just using the divine science to help others rather

than making public predictions or solving puzzles. I have seen

people come stressed to a Vedic astrologer who then produces a

masterful and accuarate reading . But the same astrologer flounders

when trying to predict the course of public events .

>

> I suspect it is the way of the creator to keep us humble.

>

> Nicholas

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- Nicholas

Sateesh Batas

Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:30 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] To Mukund Desai / public predictions

Dear Viswanadam

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Nicholas,

 

Well said. i may add that for the same reason best of the predictions remain private.

 

When leading astrologers extoll the efficacy of astrology, they have a few well

known failures to cope up with.

 

There have been some outstanding predictions . But certainly noone who has made

many predictions hasn't also had many duds in there .

 

So, one needs to experience astrology to understand its efficacy! Do you agree?

 

Yes

 

Best wishes

 

Nicholas

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Mr. Narasimha,

 

Excellent! Your rebuttal to Mr. Mukund's allegations was fair,

logical and compelling, and was completely devoid of mud slinging. I

already have a high opinion of you and your capabilities through

your postings on astrology and religion, as well as your software,

and taking time to moderate this newsgroup. But grace under

pressure, and refusing to descend to personal attacks, even when

someone attacks you or something you hold dear - now, THAT's

admirable!

 

Keep it coming!

-venkat

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