Vargottama lagna - doubt

December 30, 2003

Dear Venkat,

Pt rath in his book described 9 conditional dasas and the conditions have a

heirarchy. If we meet the conditions in the first dasa, then we do not look any

further.

Conditional dasas are useful to identify the focus area of the native in his/her

life and to time events.

In your case we thought Satabdika dasa was applicable, because of Vargottama Lagna.

On a closer look, in your case the first one i.e. Ashtottari dasa is applicable.

Rahu is in kendra to your lagna lord and your's is a night birth in Sukla

paksha. Therefore, the above dasa is applicable.

Now the focus area is export of goods, services & religion.(something indigenous

to a foreign country)

Tell me which one of this fits you? Which field are you working in?

It could be that you did your masters/ doctorate in a foreign country and settled there.

Honestly, i do not know much about this dasa. Working on your chart we can learn more about it.

regards

viswanadham

venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry > wrote:

Dear Mr. Vishwanatham,You are right, it is 0.40 early hours, in the AM. My

mistake for writing 12:40, that was confusing. Janma Nakshatra is Swati, in 3rd

Pada. My health is very good now, although I sufferred from low BP 10 -11 years

back. I will try to obtain Pt Rath's book, thank you sir. Venkat--- In

vedic astrology, H S Viswanadham wrote:> Hare Rama Krishna,> >

Dear Sastry,> > How is your health? Robust or weak?> > Pt Rath wrote a book on

Vimshottari & Udu dasas. If you can, pls read it.> > i would have looked at

your chart, but... you mentioned your time of birth as 12.40 AM !?> > You meant

0.40 early hours (a.m) or 12.40 past noon (p.m). > > pls clarify.> > pls attach

..jhd chart, if you can. Otherwise mention your Janma Nakshatra with pada, if it

is 0.40 early hours.> > regards> viswanadham> > venkatarama_sastry wrote:> Dear

Mr. Vishwanatham,> > I have Vargottama lagna. Although physical strength is not

really my > strong point , I do indeed have strong beliefs and faith that >

gives me a fighting spirit to overcome hurdles. Maybe that is why my >

grandfather, who cast my Kundli, told my mother that there > was "dasha", i.e.

"potential" for me. > > Could you please explain Satabdika dasha? I've never

heard of this. > > My birth data is: > 6 october 1967, 12:40 AM> 78E28, 17N23>

> Regards,> Venkatrama> > > vedic astrology, H S

Viswanadham > wrote:> > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Daer

all,> > > > In case of a vargottama lagna, Satabdika dasa is applicable for >

the native. (From Vimshottari & Udu dasas by Pt Rath). > > > > The native will

have strong ideals & beliefs and the Lagna > functions like Mritunjaya Mantra &

protects the native from all > calamities. (from the same book).> > > > So the

native is likely to be brave & physically strong, based on > the planets in

trines to Lagna.> > > > Hope this helps.> > > > regards> > viswanadham > > > >

onlyhari wrote:> > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||> > > > Dear Sai,> > > > If the

lagna is vargottama, then the native is physically strong > > (ie., capable of

working long hours, capable of withstanding the > > various troubles in their

lives, with a never-say-die attitude >

etc).> > > > If you have a few cases like this, kindly let me know if my > >

observation fits or not...> > > > regards> > Hari> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Saikumar" > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Guru

Chandrashekar ji, > > > What if the lagna itself is Vargottam(Rasi,Navamsa and

some > > divisional> > > charts). What is the inference then. Do we look at

Lagna lord's > > placement or> > > how do we reckon the results of Vargottama

then. > > > Regards, > > > Sai> > > > > >

Chandrashekhar > > > 2003/12/27 00:37:02> > > To:

vedic astrology> > > Cc: > > > Ji)> > > > > > Dear

Pradeep,> > > In a

way you are right. A planet that is Vargottam also > generally > > gives > > >

good results next to Exalted planet. The nature of results will > > depend > >

> on the house he is posited in, his own house lordships and other > > >

modifying factors as usual.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep

wrote:> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > >> > > > Thanks for your

valuable input.I will try to dig more into the > > topic> > > > for my

understanding.Yes Navamsha is considered as the most> > > > important

division.Even vargottama is based on Navamsha.Though> > > >

Gopuramsha,Simhasanamsha etc are there Vargottama is > considered > > as> > > >

best to confirm about the true manifestation of a planet in

a> > > > prticular rashi.Thus my understanding about Vargottama is, it > > does>

> > > not signify good or bad.It just reconfirms that the concerned > > > >

planet will give complete results by virtue of its placement > in a> > > >

particular Rashi.Kindly confirm.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Pradeep> > > > ---

In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > wrote:> > > > >

Dear Pradeep,> > > > > As you know planets are more powerful in certain degrees

in a> > > > Rasi. Now> > > > > the very relationship of the Lord of the Rasi

would indicate > > where> > > > each> > > > > planet's degrees of power would

lie.The degrees that a > planet > > is>

> > > in> > > > > strength is not based merely on less number of degrees or >

more> > > > number of> > > > > degrees but is planet specific too. The Vargas

divisions are> > > > probably> > > > > based on that principle coupled with the

nakshatra Charana > > Lord or> > > > > Nakhshatra lord and his relation to the

Rasi lord, according > to> > > > the> > > > > Varga concerned. Navamsha Varga

divisions are based on the> > > > Nakshatra> > > > > Charana Lord and as such

is given much importance to the > > extent> > > > that in> > > > > most of the

shlokas when the sages say Amsha it generally > > refers t> > > > > Navamsha.

Of course this is my personal opinion and logic and> > >

> those more> > > > > learned than me might hold different views on the

subject.> > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >

vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > > > >>

> > > > > I was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a> > > > > >

Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 etc> > > > starting> > >

> > > from aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come > > across> > >

> > > any reasons for this during ur experiments with > astrology.I > > have> >

> > > > asked a qstn cpl of days back addressed to Narasimha > > Raoji.It is> >

> > >

> difficult to find logic behind every usage and may not be > > needed> > > >

as> > > > > > well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase this could help > us> >

> > > > understand the validity of aspects within divisional > charts.> > > > >

>> > > > > > Thanks in advance> > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > >

> > > > Dear Sathiyanarayana,> > > > > > > Since you know the source where it

is available, find > out > > if> > > > > > Uttara> > > > > > > Parasaryam is

available. If so, it could also be a > > commentary> > > >

on> > > > > > Brihat> > > > > > > Parashara Hora Shastra.> > > > > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear shri. Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Thank you for your advices, now I understand that> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at> > > > > > > > SARASWATHY MAHAL at

Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu> > > > > > > > INDIA.> > > > > > > > With regards,> > >

> > > > > D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > */Chandrashekhar /* wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear

Sathiyanarayana,> > > > > > > > Not having read the text, I can not comment on

it.> > > > However> > > > > > as the> > > > > > > > name> > > > > > > >

suggests it might be a compilation of various > > shlokas,> > > > > > supposed

to be> > > > > > > > written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. > > There

not> > > > > > being any> > > > > > > > Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not

first Skanda > > of> > > > > > texts/shlokas> > > > > > > > attributed to

Parashara. Or at least this is what I > > would> > > > >

> infer> > > > > > > > from the> > > > > > > > title of the text.> > > > > > > >

Regards,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar /* wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

Dear Vishwanadham,> > > > > > > > > Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated

upon > > the> > > > > > divine> > > > > > > > science> > > > > > > > > which> >

> > > > > > > is said to have descended from the Lord > > Mahadeo.> > > > They>

> > > > > did> > > > > > > > not , in> > > > > > > > > fact,> > > > > > > > >

give different systems. What each did was give> > > > > > different> > > > > >

> > > perspectives,> > > > > > > > > on the basis of the same basics.> > > > >

> > > > Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or> > > > other> > > > > >

Rishi the> > > > > > > > > credit> > > > > > > > > as originator of Jyotish and

started swearing > > by> > > > one> > > > > > system or> > > > > > > >

> another.> > > > > > > > > The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct> > >

> > > shishya lineage,> > > > > > > > > who had> > > > > > > > > the advantage

of learning from their Guru, is> > > > > > available to> > > > > > > > explain>

> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > true meaning of shlokas has added to the >

> confusion.> > > > > > One has> > > > > > > > also to> > > > > > > > >

understand that many sages of same name wrote> > > > different> > > > > > > >

Vedangas.> > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > has led many to ascribe the

authorship of

the> > > > text> > > > > > favoured by> > > > > > > > > one to> > > > > > > > >

the most ancient of them and thus claiming the> > > > text to> > > > > > be

the> > > > > > > > > origin of> > > > > > > > > Jyotish. It is very well to

equate Surya > > mentioned> > > > as> > > > > > one of> > > > > > > > the> > >

> > > > > > pravartakas but the fact remains that it might > > be> > > > > >

reference> > > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > writer of Surya Siddhanta and

so on. Sages were> > > > > > refered to> > > > > > > > by their> > >

> > > > > > Gotra, place of residence and even their > > colour,> > > > > >

different> > > > > > > > names> > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > used to

describe the same person. This should > > not> > > > be> > > > > > forgotten.>

> > > > > > > > Many a> > > > > > > > > times titles were conferred upon them

and> > > > therefore,> > > > > > that it is> > > > > > > > > difficult to

establish antiquity of the Sages> > > > remains> > > > > > a fact.> > > > > > >

> > There are also different versions of the same> > > > texts in> > > > > > > >

> circulation.

It> > > > > > > > > might be fashionable to claim to be follower > > of one> > >

> > > system or> > > > > > > > > other, but> > > > > > > > > the fact remains

that Jyotish is based on sound> > > > > > principles> > > > > > > > and all> >

> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > sages gave instructions in words that they >

> thought> > > > > > their> > > > > > > > students> > > > > > > > > will> > > >

> > > > > comprehend better. This is why you will find > > the> > > > texts> >

> > > > referring> > > > > > > > > to the> > > > > > >

> > opinion of others with equal respect.> > > > > > > > > As I said earlier one

should follow the system> > > > that he> > > > > > has> > > > > > > >

understood> > > > > > > > > the basics of, and can apply them to real life> > >

> > > horoscopes.> > > > > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > Dear pedagogues,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA> > > > PARASARYAM' is> > > > > >

the> > > > > > > > > teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his> > > > > >

disciples or> > > > > > > > >

otherwise .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall

dawn on us.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > H S Viswanadham wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar

Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Your longish mails are very

informative. Pls > > keep> > > > > > writing> > > > > > > > longish> > > > > >

> > > > ones. At the end of the last mail you

were> > > > saying it> > > > > > > > became too> > > > > > > > > long.> > > > >

> > > > > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is> > > > still> > > > > >

better.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i also feel that people using True

nodes > > & using> > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > ayanamsas> > > > > > > >

> > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may > > say> > > > so!).> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > From what you said, can we speculate that the> > > >

other> > > > > > Rishis> > > > > > > >

whose> > > > > > > > > works> > > > > > > > > > are lost were using different

'systems'. > > What> > > > could> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > the root of> > >

> > > > > > > all this?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Many thanks and

best regards> > > > > > > > > > viswanadham> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> */Anna /* wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekar,> >

> > > > > > > > I have read carefully..> > > > > > > > > > Thank you.> > > > >

> > > >

> Anna> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar /* wrote:> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna,> > > > > > > > > > I am sorry that you

appear to be > > shocked> > > > > > with my> > > > > > > > opinions. I> > > > >

> > > > > would like> > > > > > > > > > you to read what I have said > >

carefully> > > > > > again. You> > > > > > > > will find> > > > > > > > > >

that I have> > > > > > > > > > already clarified that one should > > use the> >

> > > > system> > > > > > > > that one

is> > > > > > > > > > comfortable> > > > > > > > > > with, and have also said

that > > different> > > > > > Rishis> > > > > > > > devised> > > > > > > > >

different> > > > > > > > > > systems. If you read the mail in its> > > > > >

entirety, you> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > understand that> > > > > >

> > > > I am not saying anything > > contradictory> > > > to> > > > > > what is>

> > > > > > > > taught,but> > > > > > > > > > am trying> > > > > > > > > > to

indicate how the teachings are to > > be> > >

> > > used. I merely> > > > > > > > > say that> > > > > > > > > > application of

different system > > without> > > > > > > > understanding the> > > > > > > > > >

logic behind> > > > > > > > > > them could lead one to a wrong> > > >

prediction.> > > > > > An example> > > > > > > > > would be> > > > > > > > > >

Prashna> > > > > > > > > > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on > > the> > > > >

> location of the> > > > > > > > > querist> > > > > > > > > > or his> > > > > >

> > > > placing a piece of Gold on a > > particular> > >

> > > direction> > > > > > > > on the> > > > > > > > > > circular chart.> > > >

> > > > > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at > > by> > > > this> > > > > >

> > method can> > > > > > > > > use the> > > > > > > > > > principles of

Aarudha defined by> > > > Parashara> > > > > > and one> > > > > > > > will> > >

> > > > > > arrive at> > > > > > > > > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha> >

> > arrived> > > > > > at by> > > > > > > > using> > > > > > > > > Parashara> >

> > > > > > > > principles will give

correct > > predictions> > > > > > when it> > > > > > > > is used to> > > > > >

> > > > arrive at> > > > > > > > > > conclusions based on the results > > given

in> > > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > > Marga?> > > > > > > > > I am> > > > > > > >

> > certain> > > > > > > > > > you will not. Similarly can Gulika > > and> > > >

> > Mandi at> > > > > > > > different> > > > > > > > > > points of> > > > > > >

> > > reference be used when applying > > Jaataka> > > > > > Paarijata> > > > >

> > > > parameters,> > >

> > > > > > > when the> > > > > > > > > > text states specifically that they > >

are> > > > > > synonyms of> > > > > > > > the same> > > > > > > > > > upagraha?>

> > > > > > > > > The logic behind what I wrote will be> > > > clear> > > > > >

to you.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >

> > > > > Anna wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar /* > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekar,> > > > > > > > > > > You raised

serious issues here,> > > > indeed. I> > > > > > just> > > > > > > > copied

some> > > > > > > > > > parts,> > > > > > > > > > > although the entire post

questions > > in> > > > fact> > > > > > all we've> > > > > > > > > learnt> > >

> > > > > > > here, so far.> > > > > > > > > > > You said:*_You can not apply

say > > > > Metric> > > > > > system to> > > > > > > > > > manufacture a bolt>

> > > > > > > > > > and BSW for the nut , they would

> > never> > > > fit> > > > > > > > properly._*> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi,> > > > aroodas,> > > > > > that> >

> > > > > > we are> > > > > > > > > > thought to use> > > > > > > > > > > along

with graha dristi etc..I feel> > > > this is> > > > > > > > rather serious> > >

> > > > > > > and wish if> > > > > > > > > > > could see more comments on this-

> > this> > > > is> > > > > > in fact> > > > > > > > the first> > > > > > > > >

> time I see> >

> > > > > > > > > on THIS list such a view; > > implications> > > > > > would

be> > > > > > > > > far-reaching> > > > > > > > > > with lots> > > > > > > > >

> > of fundamental questions raised.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

Thank You.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Anna> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > *There

are many systems based on > > the> > > > > > experience> > > > > > > > of the>

> > > > > > > > > Rishis, who> > > > > > > > > > > formulated them...*> > > > >

> > > > > > **> > > > > > > > > > > * one> > > > > > > > > > > predicts on the

basis of Planet > > drishty> > > > > > and when the> > > > > > > > > >

prediction goes> > > > > > > > > > > wrong one takes recourse to > >

explaining> > > > > > away

the> > > > > > > > reason of> > > > > > > > > > the failure by> > > > > > > > >

> > application of Rasi drishty. Same > > is> > > > the> > > > > > case> > > >

> > > > with use of> > > > > > > > > > Aarudhas,> > > > > > > > > > >

Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. > > One> > > > > > should have a> > > > > >

> > > uniform> > > > > > > > > > approach to> > > > > > > > > > > any chart one

analyses. _You can > > not> > > > apply> > > > > > say> > > > > > > > Metric> >

> > > > > > > system to> > >

> > > > > > > > manufacture a bolt and BSW for the> > > > nut ,> > > > > > they>

> > > > > > > would never> > > > > > > > > > fit properly._> > > > > > > > > > >

*> > > > > > > > > > > **> > > > > > > > > > > *Not much work has been done on>

> > > Aarudhas> > > > > > and other> > > > > > > > > > parameters even by the>

> > > > > > > > > > ancient sages and ...This does not > > mean> > > > > > that

the> > > > > > > > concept> > > > > > > > > > carries no> > > > > > > > > > >

substance, only that> > > >

> > > > > > > exahaustive work has not been done > > on> > > > this> > > > > >

aspect.> > > > > > > > > _Even the> > > > > > > > > > major yogas> > > > > > >

> > > > are not based on these concept and > > as> > > > such> > > > > > it is>

> > > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > > > to know the> > > > > > > > > > >

correct method of their > > application._> > > > It> > > > > > is very> > > > >

> > > well> > > > > > > > > to wax> > > > > > > > > > eloquent on> > > > > > > >

> > > their applicability

and the > > principles> > > > > > behind such> > > > > > > > > practice,> > > >

> > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > another matter giving Authentic > >

quotes> > > > from> > > > > > > > standard texts> > > > > > > > > > to support>

> > > > > > > > > > the premise.> > > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > > >> >

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Jupiter's light shine > > on> > > > > > us .......> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >

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