Vargottama lagna - doubt - Dear Chandrashekar ji

December 26, 2003

Dear Sir,

How right you are!Here are the birth details of a person with Vargothama

Lagna and he has the nature you have desribed.I would also like to add that

he has an aristocratic bearing,a commanding nature and a health and stamina

that never tires inspite of his long years of medication for mental

illness.His energy and drive and craving to dominate never cease!

6th Sept 1957 2.36am Trivandrum,Kerala 8N30 76E55

Regards

Kaimal

-

onlyhari <onlyhari

Monday, December 29, 2003 10:04 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Vargottama lagna - doubt - Dear Chandrashekar

ji

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Sai,

>

> If the lagna is vargottama, then the native is physically strong

> (ie., capable of working long hours, capable of withstanding the

> various troubles in their lives, with a never-say-die attitude etc).

>

> If you have a few cases like this, kindly let me know if my

> observation fits or not...

>

> regards

> Hari

>

December 28, 2003

What if the lagna itself is Vargottam(Rasi,Navamsa and some divisional charts).

What is the inference then. Do we look at Lagna lord's placement or how do we

reckon the results of Vargottama then.

Regards,

SaiChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Date:

2003/12/27 00:37:02vedic astrologyCc: Ji)Dear

Pradeep,In a way you are right. A planet that is Vargottam also generally gives

good results next to Exalted planet. The nature of results will depend on the

house he is posited in, his own house lordships and other modifying factors as

usual.Chandrashekhar.vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> Dear Chandrashekhar ji>> Thanks

for your valuable input.I will try to dig more into the topic> for my

understanding.Yes Navamsha is considered as the most> important division.Even

vargottama is based on Navamsha.Though> Gopuramsha,Simhasanamsha etc are there

Vargottama is considered as> best to confirm about the true manifestation of a

planet in a> prtic!

ular rashi.Thus my understanding about Vargottama is, it does> not signify good

or bad.It just reconfirms that the concerned > planet will give complete

results by virtue of its placement in a> particular Rashi.Kindly confirm.>>

Thanks> Pradeep> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>> wrote:> > Dear Pradeep,> > As you know planets are more powerful

in certain degrees in a> Rasi. Now> > the very relationship of the Lord of the

Rasi would indicate where> each> > planet's degrees of power would lie.The

degrees that a planet is> in> > strength is not based merely on less number of

degrees or more> number of> > degrees but is planet specific too. The Vargas

divisions are> probably> > based on that principle coupled with the nakshatra

Charana Lord or> > Nakhshatra lord and his!

relation to the Rasi lord, according to> the> > Varg

a concerned. Navamsha Varga divisions are based on the> Nakshatra> > Charana

Lord and as such is given much importance to the extent> that in> > most of

the shlokas when the sages say Amsha it generally refers t> > Navamsha. Of

course this is my personal opinion and logic and> those more> > learned than me

might hold different views on the subject.> > Hope this helps.> >

Chandrashekhar.> >> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> >> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji>

> >> > > I was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a> > >

Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 etc> starting> > > from

aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come across> > > any reasons

for this during ur experiments with astrology.I have> > > asked a qstn cpl of

days back a!

ddressed to Narasimha Raoji.It is> > > difficult to find logic behind every

usage and may not be needed> as> > > well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase

this could help us> > > understand the validity of aspects within divisional

charts.> > >> > > Thanks in advance> > > Pradeep> > >> > > --- In

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar> <boxdel>> > > wrote:> > >

> Dear Sathiyanarayana,> > > > Since you know the source where it is available,

find out if> > > Uttara> > > > Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be

a commentary> on> > > Brihat> > > > Parashara Hora Shastra.> > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:> > > >> > > &;!

gt; > Dear shri. Chandrashekhar,> > > > >>

; > > > > Thank you for your advices, now I understand that> > > > >> > > > > '

POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at> > > > > SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour ,

Tamil Nadu> > > > > INDIA.> > > > > With regards,> > > > > D. Sathiyanarayana

Gupta .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > >

> >> > > > > Dear Sathiyanarayana,> > > > > Not having read the text, I

can not comment on it.> However> > > as the> > > > > name> > > > >

suggests it might be a compilation of various shlokas,> > > supposed to be> > >

> > &;!

nbsp; written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not> > > being any>

> > > > Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of> > >

texts/shlokas> > > > > attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what I

would> > > infer> > > > > from the> > > > > title of the text.> > > > >

Regards,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >

> */Chandrashekhar <!

;boxdel>/* wrote:> > > > >

; >> > > > > > Dear Vishwanadham,> > > > > > Thank you. Various

pravartakas elaborated upon the> > > divine> > > > > science> > > > > >

which> > > > > > is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo.>

They> > > did> > > > > not , in> > > > > > fact,> > > > > >

give different systems. What each did was give> > > different> > > > > >

perspectives,> !

> > > > > on the basis of the same basics.> > > > > >

Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or> other> > > Rishi the> > > > >

> credit> > > > > > as originator of Jyotish and started swearing

by> one> > > system or> > > > > > another.> > > > > > The fact

that none of the Gurus or their direct> > > shishya lineage,> > > > > >

who had> > > > > > the advantage of learning fro!

m their Guru, is> > > available to> > > >

> explain> > > > > > the> > > > > > true meaning of shlokas

has added to the confusion.> > > One has> > > > > also to> > > > > >

understand that many sages of same name wrote> different> > > > >

Vedangas.> > > > > > This> > > > > > has led many to ascribe

the authorship of the> text> > > favoured by> > > > > > one to> > > >

> > the!

most ancient of them and thus claiming the> text to> > > be the> > > > > >

origin of> > > > > > Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya

mentioned> as> > > one of> > > > > the> > > > > > pravartakas but

the fact remains that it might be> > > reference> > > > > to the> > > > >

> writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were> > > refered to> > > > >

by their> > > > > > Gotra, place of residence and even their

colour,> > &g;!

t; different> > > > > names

> > > > > > being> > > > > > used to describe the same person.

This should not> be> > > forgotten.> > > > > > Many a> > > > > >

times titles were conferred upon them and> therefore,> > > that it is> > > > >

> difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages> remains> > > a fact.> >

> > > > There are also different versions of the same> texts in> > > >

> > circulation. It> > > > > > !

; might be fashionable to claim to be follower of one> > > system or> > > > >

> other, but> > > > > > the fact remains that Jyotish is based

on sound> > > principles> > > > > and all> > > > > > the> > > > >

> sages gave instructions in words that they thought> > > their> > > > >

students> > > > > > will> > > > > > comprehend better. This

is why you will find the> texts> > > referring> >!

> > > > t

o the> > > > > > opinion of others with equal respect.> > > > > >

As I said earlier one should follow the system> that he> > > has> > > > >

understood> > > > > > the basics of, and can apply them to real life> >

> horoscopes.> > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > Dear pedagogues,> > > > > >> > > > >

> kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA>!

; PARASARYAM' is> > > the> > > > > > teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage

PARASARA to his> > > disciples or> > > > > > otherwise .> > > > >

>> > > > > > May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.> > > > >

>> > > > > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.> > > > > >> > > > > >

H S Viswanadham wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> >

> > &g;!

t; > >> &;

gt; > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep> > > writing> > > > >

longish> > > > > > > ones. At the end of the last mail you were> saying

it> > > > > became too> > > > > > long.> > > > > > > It was

a good mail. Now your clarification is> still> > > better.> > > > > >

>> > > > >!

; > > i also feel that people using True nodes & using> > > different> >

> > > > ayanamsas> > > > > > > are sticking to their own basics

( if i may say> so!).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > From what you

said, can we speculate that the> other> > > Rishis> > > > > whose> > > > >

> works> > > > > > > are lost were using different 'systems'.

What> could> > > be> > > > > !

the root of> > > > >

> > all this?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Many thanks and

best regards> > > > > > > viswanadham> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > */Anna <bona_mente>/* wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> Dear Chandrashekar,> > > > > > > I have read carefully..> > >

> > > &nb;!

sp; > Thank you.> > > > > > > Anna> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > Dear Anna,> > > > > > > I am sorry

that you appear to be shocked> > > with my> > > > > opinions. I> > > > >

> >!

would like> &g;

t; > > > > > you to read what I have said carefully> > > again.

You> > > > > will find> > > > > > > that I have> > > > >

> > already clarified that one should use the> > > system> > > > >

that one is> > > > > > > comfortable> > > > > > >

with, and have also said that different&;!

gt; > > Rishis> > > > > devised> > > > > > different> > > > > >

> systems. If you read the mail in its> > > entirety, you> > > > >

will> > > > > > > understand that> > > > > > >

I am not saying anything contradictory> to> > > what is> > > > > >

taught,but> > > > > > > &;!

nbsp; am trying> > > > &;

gt; > > to indicate how the teachings are to be> > > used. I

merely> > > > > > say that> > > > > > > application of

different system without> > > > > understanding the> > > > > > >

logic behind> > > > > > > them could lead one to a wrong>

prediction.> > > An example> > > > > > would be> > > >!

; > > > Prashna> > > > > > > Marga of deciding

Aarudha based on the> > > location of the> > > > > > querist> > > > >

> > or his> > > > > > > placing a piece of Gold on

a particular> > > direction> > > > > on the> > > > > > >

circular chart.> > > &;!

gt; > > >&nbs;

p; Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by> this> > > > > method can>

> > > > > use the> > > > > > > principles of Aarudha

defined by> Parashara> > > and one> > > > > will> > > > > > arrive

at> > > > > > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha> arrived> >

> at by> > > > > using> > > > > > Parashara> > > >!

; > > > principles will give correct predictions> > > when it> >

> > > is used to> > > > > > > arrive at> > > > > > >

conclusions based on the results given in> > > Prashna> > > > >

Marga?> > > > > > I am> > > > > > > certain> > > > >

> > &nb;!

sp; you will not. Similarly can Gulika and

> > > Mandi at> > > > > different> > > > > > > points of> >

> > > > > reference be used when applying Jaataka> > >

Paarijata> > > > > > parameters,> > > > > > > when the>

> > > > > > text states specifically that they are> > > synonyms

of> > > > > the same> > > > > >&;!

nbsp; > upagraha?> > > > > > > The logic behind what

I wrote will be> clear> > > to you.> > > > > > > Regards,> > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > Anna

wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > &g;!

t; > > &nbs;

p; >> > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/*

wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear

Chandrashekar,> > > > > > > > You raised serious issues here,>

indeed. I> > > just> > > > > copied some> > > > > > >

parts,> > > > > !

> > > although the entire post questions in> fact> > > all we've>

> > > > > learnt> > > > > > > here, so far.> > > > >

> > > You said:*_You can not apply say > Metric> > > system to> > >

> > > > manufacture a bolt> > > > > > > > and

BSW for the nut , they would never> fit> > > &g;!

t; > properly._*> > > > >

; > > >> > > > > > > > You imply that wrt. rashi

dristi,> aroodas,> > > that> > > > > we are> > > > > > >

thought to use> > > > > > > > along with graha dristi etc..I

feel> this is> > > > > rather serious> > > > > > > and wish

if> > > > > !

> > > could see more comments on this- this> is> > > in fact> > > >

> the first> > > > > > > time I see> > > > > > >

> on THIS list such a view; implications> > > would be> > > > > >

far-reaching> > > > > > > with lots> > > > > > >

> of fundamental questions raised.!

> > > > > >

; > >> > > > > > > > Thank You.> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Anna> > > > > > > >> > > > >

>&nb;!

sp; > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > *There are many systems based on

the> > > experience> !

> > > > of the> > > &;

gt; > > > Rishis, who> > > > > > > > formulated

them...*> > > > > > > > **> > > > > > > > *

one> > > > > > > > predicts on the basis of Planet drishty> > >

and when the> > > > > > > prediction goes> > > > > >!

> > wrong one takes recourse to explaining> > > away the> > > > >

reason of> > > > > > > the failure by> > > > > > >

> application of Rasi drishty. Same is> the> > > case> > > > > with use

of> > > > > > > Aarudhas,> > > > > > > >

Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One> > > should have a!

> > > > > > &;

nbsp; uniform> > > > > > > approach to> > > > > > >

> any chart one analyses. _You can not> apply> > > say> > > > > Metric>

> > > > > system to> > > > > > > > manufacture a bolt

and BSW for the> nut ,> > > they> > > > > would never> > > > > > >

fit properly._> > > > > &nbs;!

p; > > > *> > > > > > > > **> > > > > > >

> *Not much work has been done on> Aarudhas> > > and other> > > > > >

> parameters even by the> > > > > > > > ancient

sages and ...This does not mean> > > that the> > > > > concept> > > > >

> > !

carries no> > > > >&;

nbsp; > > > substance, only that> > > > > > > >

exahaustive work has not been done on> this> > > aspect.> > > > > >

_Even the> > > > > > > major yogas> > > > > > >

> are not based on these concept and as> such> > > it is> > > > > difficult>

> > > > > > &;!

nbsp; to know the> > > > > > > > correct method of their

application._> It> > > is very> > > > > well> > > > > > to wax> > >

> > > > eloquent on> > > > > > > > their

applicability and the principles> > > behind such> > > > > > practice,>

> > > > > > it is> > > > >!

; > >

; > another matter giving Authentic quotes> from> > > > > standard

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||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Sai,

If the lagna is vargottama, then the native is physically strong

(ie., capable of working long hours, capable of withstanding the

various troubles in their lives, with a never-say-die attitude etc).

If you have a few cases like this, kindly let me know if my

observation fits or not...

regards

Hari

vedic astrology, "Saikumar" <astrossk@c...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Guru Chandrashekar ji,

> What if the lagna itself is Vargottam(Rasi,Navamsa and some

divisional

> charts). What is the inference then. Do we look at Lagna lord's

placement or

> how do we reckon the results of Vargottama then.

> Regards,

> Sai

>

> Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

> 2003/12/27 00:37:02

> vedic astrology

> Cc:

> Ji)

>

> Dear Pradeep,

> In a way you are right. A planet that is Vargottam also generally

gives

> good results next to Exalted planet. The nature of results will

depend

> on the house he is posited in, his own house lordships and other

> modifying factors as usual.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > Thanks for your valuable input.I will try to dig more into the

topic

> > for my understanding.Yes Navamsha is considered as the most

> > important division.Even vargottama is based on Navamsha.Though

> > Gopuramsha,Simhasanamsha etc are there Vargottama is considered

as

> > best to confirm about the true manifestation of a planet in a

> > prticular rashi.Thus my understanding about Vargottama is, it

does

> > not signify good or bad.It just reconfirms that the concerned

> > planet will give complete results by virtue of its placement in a

> > particular Rashi.Kindly confirm.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > As you know planets are more powerful in certain degrees in a

> > Rasi. Now

> > > the very relationship of the Lord of the Rasi would indicate

where

> > each

> > > planet's degrees of power would lie.The degrees that a planet

is

> > in

> > > strength is not based merely on less number of degrees or more

> > number of

> > > degrees but is planet specific too. The Vargas divisions are

> > probably

> > > based on that principle coupled with the nakshatra Charana

Lord or

> > > Nakhshatra lord and his relation to the Rasi lord, according to

> > the

> > > Varga concerned. Navamsha Varga divisions are based on the

> > Nakshatra

> > > Charana Lord and as such is given much importance to the

extent

> > that in

> > > most of the shlokas when the sages say Amsha it generally

refers t

> > > Navamsha. Of course this is my personal opinion and logic and

> > those more

> > > learned than me might hold different views on the subject.

> > > Hope this helps.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > I was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a

> > > > Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 etc

> > starting

> > > > from aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come

across

> > > > any reasons for this during ur experiments with astrology.I

have

> > > > asked a qstn cpl of days back addressed to Narasimha

Raoji.It is

> > > > difficult to find logic behind every usage and may not be

needed

> > as

> > > > well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase this could help us

> > > > understand the validity of aspects within divisional charts.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> > <boxdel>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sathiyanarayana,

> > > > > Since you know the source where it is available, find out

if

> > > > Uttara

> > > > > Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be a

commentary

> > on

> > > > Brihat

> > > > > Parashara Hora Shastra.

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear shri. Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for your advices, now I understand that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at

> > > > > > SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu

> > > > > > INDIA.

> > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sathiyanarayana,

> > > > > > Not having read the text, I can not comment on it.

> > However

> > > > as the

> > > > > > name

> > > > > > suggests it might be a compilation of various

shlokas,

> > > > supposed to be

> > > > > > written/recited prior to the days of Parashara.

There not

> > > > being any

> > > > > > Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda

of

> > > > texts/shlokas

> > > > > > attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what I

would

> > > > infer

> > > > > > from the

> > > > > > title of the text.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Vishwanadham,

> > > > > > > Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated upon

the

> > > > divine

> > > > > > science

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > is said to have descended from the Lord

Mahadeo.

> > They

> > > > did

> > > > > > not , in

> > > > > > > fact,

> > > > > > > give different systems. What each did was give

> > > > different

> > > > > > > perspectives,

> > > > > > > on the basis of the same basics.

> > > > > > > Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or

> > other

> > > > Rishi the

> > > > > > > credit

> > > > > > > as originator of Jyotish and started swearing

by

> > one

> > > > system or

> > > > > > > another.

> > > > > > > The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct

> > > > shishya lineage,

> > > > > > > who had

> > > > > > > the advantage of learning from their Guru, is

> > > > available to

> > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > true meaning of shlokas has added to the

confusion.

> > > > One has

> > > > > > also to

> > > > > > > understand that many sages of same name wrote

> > different

> > > > > > Vedangas.

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > has led many to ascribe the authorship of the

> > text

> > > > favoured by

> > > > > > > one to

> > > > > > > the most ancient of them and thus claiming the

> > text to

> > > > be the

> > > > > > > origin of

> > > > > > > Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya

mentioned

> > as

> > > > one of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > pravartakas but the fact remains that it might

be

> > > > reference

> > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were

> > > > refered to

> > > > > > by their

> > > > > > > Gotra, place of residence and even their

colour,

> > > > different

> > > > > > names

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > used to describe the same person. This should

not

> > be

> > > > forgotten.

> > > > > > > Many a

> > > > > > > times titles were conferred upon them and

> > therefore,

> > > > that it is

> > > > > > > difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages

> > remains

> > > > a fact.

> > > > > > > There are also different versions of the same

> > texts in

> > > > > > > circulation. It

> > > > > > > might be fashionable to claim to be follower

of one

> > > > system or

> > > > > > > other, but

> > > > > > > the fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound

> > > > principles

> > > > > > and all

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > sages gave instructions in words that they

thought

> > > > their

> > > > > > students

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > comprehend better. This is why you will find

the

> > texts

> > > > referring

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > opinion of others with equal respect.

> > > > > > > As I said earlier one should follow the system

> > that he

> > > > has

> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > the basics of, and can apply them to real life

> > > > horoscopes.

> > > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > Dear pedagogues,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA

> > PARASARYAM' is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his

> > > > disciples or

> > > > > > > otherwise .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > H S Viswanadham wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls

keep

> > > > writing

> > > > > > longish

> > > > > > > > ones. At the end of the last mail you were

> > saying it

> > > > > > became too

> > > > > > > long.

> > > > > > > > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is

> > still

> > > > better.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i also feel that people using True nodes

& using

> > > > different

> > > > > > > ayanamsas

> > > > > > > > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may

say

> > so!).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From what you said, can we speculate that the

> > other

> > > > Rishis

> > > > > > whose

> > > > > > > works

> > > > > > > > are lost were using different 'systems'.

What

> > could

> > > > be

> > > > > > the root of

> > > > > > > > all this?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many thanks and best regards

> > > > > > > > viswanadham

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > */Anna <bona_mente>/* wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > > > > > > I have read carefully..

> > > > > > > > Thank you.

> > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Anna,

> > > > > > > > I am sorry that you appear to be

shocked

> > > > with my

> > > > > > opinions. I

> > > > > > > > would like

> > > > > > > > you to read what I have said

carefully

> > > > again. You

> > > > > > will find

> > > > > > > > that I have

> > > > > > > > already clarified that one should

use the

> > > > system

> > > > > > that one is

> > > > > > > > comfortable

> > > > > > > > with, and have also said that

different

> > > > Rishis

> > > > > > devised

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > systems. If you read the mail in its

> > > > entirety, you

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > understand that

> > > > > > > > I am not saying anything

contradictory

> > to

> > > > what is

> > > > > > > taught,but

> > > > > > > > am trying

> > > > > > > > to indicate how the teachings are to

be

> > > > used. I merely

> > > > > > > say that

> > > > > > > > application of different system

without

> > > > > > understanding the

> > > > > > > > logic behind

> > > > > > > > them could lead one to a wrong

> > prediction.

> > > > An example

> > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on

the

> > > > location of the

> > > > > > > querist

> > > > > > > > or his

> > > > > > > > placing a piece of Gold on a

particular

> > > > direction

> > > > > > on the

> > > > > > > > circular chart.

> > > > > > > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at

by

> > this

> > > > > > method can

> > > > > > > use the

> > > > > > > > principles of Aarudha defined by

> > Parashara

> > > > and one

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > arrive at

> > > > > > > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha

> > arrived

> > > > at by

> > > > > > using

> > > > > > > Parashara

> > > > > > > > principles will give correct

predictions

> > > > when it

> > > > > > is used to

> > > > > > > > arrive at

> > > > > > > > conclusions based on the results

given in

> > > > Prashna

> > > > > > Marga?

> > > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > certain

> > > > > > > > you will not. Similarly can Gulika

and

> > > > Mandi at

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > points of

> > > > > > > > reference be used when applying

Jaataka

> > > > Paarijata

> > > > > > > parameters,

> > > > > > > > when the

> > > > > > > > text states specifically that they

are

> > > > synonyms of

> > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > upagraha?

> > > > > > > > The logic behind what I wrote will be

> > clear

> > > > to you.

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > Anna wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/*

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > > > > > > > You raised serious issues here,

> > indeed. I

> > > > just

> > > > > > copied some

> > > > > > > > parts,

> > > > > > > > > although the entire post questions

in

> > fact

> > > > all we've

> > > > > > > learnt

> > > > > > > > here, so far.

> > > > > > > > > You said:*_You can not apply say

> > Metric

> > > > system to

> > > > > > > > manufacture a bolt

> > > > > > > > > and BSW for the nut , they would

never

> > fit

> > > > > > properly._*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi,

> > aroodas,

> > > > that

> > > > > > we are

> > > > > > > > thought to use

> > > > > > > > > along with graha dristi etc..I feel

> > this is

> > > > > > rather serious

> > > > > > > > and wish if

> > > > > > > > > could see more comments on this-

this

> > is

> > > > in fact

> > > > > > the first

> > > > > > > > time I see

> > > > > > > > > on THIS list such a view;

implications

> > > > would be

> > > > > > > far-reaching

> > > > > > > > with lots

> > > > > > > > > of fundamental questions raised.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank You.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *There are many systems based on

the

> > > > experience

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > Rishis, who

> > > > > > > > > formulated them...*

> > > > > > > > > **

> > > > > > > > > * one

> > > > > > > > > predicts on the basis of Planet

drishty

> > > > and when the

> > > > > > > > prediction goes

> > > > > > > > > wrong one takes recourse to

explaining

> > > > away the

> > > > > > reason of

> > > > > > > > the failure by

> > > > > > > > > application of Rasi drishty. Same

is

> > the

> > > > case

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> > > > > > > > Aarudhas,

> > > > > > > > > Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc.

One

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> > > > say

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My chart itself is a case for that.

Your observation is more or less true, as I have capability of working long

hours (both at work and also at cricket) and enduring great pains in life(

courtesy my sade sathi early in life :-)).

I am going to enclose my chart to help you with your research.

Let me know if you need more information in this regard.

Regards,

Sai"onlyhari" <onlyhari >Date:

2003/12/29 04:34:48vedic astrologyCc: Subject:

[vedic astrology] Re: Vargottama lagna - doubt - Dear Chandrashekar ji||Om

Brihaspataye Namah||Dear Sai,If the lagna is vargottama, then the native is

physically strong (ie., capable of working long hours, capable of withstanding

the various troubles in their lives, with a never-say-die attitude etc).If you

have a few cases like this, kindly let me know if my observation fits or

not...regardsHarivedic astrology, "Saikumar"

<astrossk@c...> wrote:> > Dear Guru Chandrashekar ji, > What if the lagna

itself is Vargottam(Rasi,Navamsa and some divisional> charts). What is the

inference then. Do we look at Lagna lord's !

placement or> how do we reckon the results of Vargottama then. > Regards, > Sai>

> Chandrashekhar <boxdel>> 2003/12/27

00:37:02> vedic astrology> Cc: > Ji)> > Dear

Pradeep,> In a way you are right. A planet that is Vargottam also generally

gives > good results next to Exalted planet. The nature of results will depend

> on the house he is posited in, his own house lordships and other > modifying

factors as usual.> Chandrashekhar.> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > Dear

Chandrashekhar ji> >> > Thanks for your valuable input.I will try to dig more

into the topic> > for my understanding.Yes Navamsha is considered as the most>

> important division.Even vargottama is based on Navamsha.Though> > Gopur!

amsha,Simhasanamsha etc are there Vargottama is considered as&;

gt; > best to confirm about the true manifestation of a planet in a> > prticular

rashi.Thus my understanding about Vargottama is, it does> > not signify good or

bad.It just reconfirms that the concerned > > planet will give complete results

by virtue of its placement in a> > particular Rashi.Kindly confirm.> >> >

Thanks> > Pradeep> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>> > wrote:> > > Dear Pradeep,> > > As you know planets are more

powerful in certain degrees in a> > Rasi. Now> > > the very relationship of the

Lord of the Rasi would indicate where> > each> > > planet's degrees of power

would lie.The degrees that a planet is> > in> > > strength is not based merely

on less number of degrees or more> > number of> > > !

degrees but is planet specific too. The Vargas divisions are> > probably> > >

based on that principle coupled with the nakshatra Charana Lord or> > >

Nakhshatra lord and his relation to the Rasi lord, according to> > the> > >

Varga concerned. Navamsha Varga divisions are based on the> > Nakshatra> > >

Charana Lord and as such is given much importance to the extent> > that in> >

> most of the shlokas when the sages say Amsha it generally refers t> > >

Navamsha. Of course this is my personal opinion and logic and> > those more> >

> learned than me might hold different views on the subject.> > > Hope this

helps.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > >> > > > Dear

Chandrashekhar ji> > > >> > >!

> I was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a&;

gt; > > > Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 etc> >

starting> > > > from aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come

across> > > > any reasons for this during ur experiments with astrology.I have>

> > > asked a qstn cpl of days back addressed to Narasimha Raoji.It is> > > >

difficult to find logic behind every usage and may not be needed> > as> > > >

well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase this could help us> > > > understand

the validity of aspects within divisional charts.> > > >> > > > Thanks in

advance> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > > > vedic astrology,

Chandrashekhar> > <boxdel>> > > > wrote:> > > > > Dear Sathiyanarayana,> >

> > >!

; Since you know the source where it is available, find out if> > > > Uttara> >

> > > Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be a commentary> > on> > >

> Brihat> > > > > Parashara Hora Shastra.> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> >

> > > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dear shri.

Chandrashekhar,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you for your advices, now I

understand that> > > > > >> > > > > > ' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at> >

> > > > SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu> > > > > > INDIA.> > > > >

> With regards,> > > > > > D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .> > > > > >!

> > > > > >> > > > > > */C

handrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear

Sathiyanarayana,> > > > > > Not having read the text, I can not comment on

it.> > However> > > > as the> > > > > > name> > > > > > suggests it

might be a compilation of various shlokas,> > > > supposed to be> > > > > >

written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not> > > > being any> > >

> > > Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of> > > >

texts/shlokas> > > > > > attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what

I would> > > > infer>!

; > > > > > from the> > > > > > title of the text.> > > > > >

Regards,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> Dear Vishwanadham,> > > > > > > Thank you. Various pravartakas

elaborated u!

pon the> > > > divine> > > > > > science> > > > > > > which> > > > >

> > is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo.> > They> > > > did>

> > > > > not , in> > > > > > > fact,> > > > > > > give

different systems. What each did was give> > > > different> > > > > > >

perspectives,> > > > > > > on the basis of the same basics.> > > > > >

> Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or!

> > other> > > > Rishi the> > > > > > > credit> > > > > > > as

originator of Jyotish and started swearing by> > one> > > > system or> > > > >

> > another.> > > > > > > The fact that none of the Gurus or

their direct> > > > shishya lineage,> > > > > > > who had> > > > > >

> the advantage of learning from their Guru, is> > > > available to> > > >

> > explain> > > > > > !

> the> > > > > >

; > true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion.> > > > One has> >

> > > > also to> > > > > > > understand that many sages of same name

wrote> > different> > > > > > Vedangas.> > > > > > > This> > > > > >

> has led many to ascribe the authorship of the> > text> > > >

favoured by> > > > > > > one to> > > > > > > the most ancient

of them and thus claiming the> > text to> > > > be the> > > > > > >

origin of> > > > > > > Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya

mentioned> > as> > > > one of> > > > > > the> > > > > > >

pravartakas but the fact remains that it might be> > > > reference> > > > > >

to the> > > > > > > writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were> >

> > refered to> > > > > > by their> > > > > > > Gotra, place of

residence and even their colour,> > > > differ!

ent> > > > > > names

> > > > > > > being> > > > > > > used to describe the same

person. This should not> > be> > > > forgotten.> > > > > > > Many a> >

> > > > > times titles were conferred upon them and> > therefore,> > >

> that it is> > > > > > > difficult to establish antiquity of the

Sages> > remains> > > > a fact.> > > > > > > There are also different

versions of the same> > texts in> > > > > > > circula!

tion. It> > > > > > > might be fashionable to claim to be follower of

one> > > > system or> > > > > > > other, but> > > > > > > the

fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound> > > > principles> > > > > >

and all> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > sages gave instructions

in words that they thought> > > > their> > > > > > students> > > > > >

> will> > > > > > &;!

nbsp; > comprehend better. This is why you will find the> > texts> > > >

referring> > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > opinion of others

with equal respect.> > > > > > > As I said earlier one should follow

the system> > that he> > > > has> > > > > > understood> > > > > > >

the basics of, and can apply them to real life> > > > horoscopes.> > > > > >

> Hope this helps.> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >

&;!

nbsp; Dear pedagogues,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kindly elucidate as

to wheather 'POORVA> > PARASARYAM' is> > > > the> > > > > > > teachings

of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his> > > > disciples or> > > > > > >

otherwise .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May DEVA GURU'S blessings

shall dawn on us.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > D.Sathiyanarayana

Gupta.> > > > > > >> > > > !

> > > H S Vis

wanadham wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,> > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep> >

> > writing> > > > > > longish> > > > > > > > ones. At the end of

the last mail you were> > saying it> > > > > > became too> > > > > > &n;!

bsp; > long.> > > > > > > > It was a good mail. Now your

clarification is> > still> > > > better.> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > i also feel that people using True nodes & using> > > > different>

> > > > > > ayanamsas> > > > > > > > are sticking to their own

basics ( if i may say> > so!).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

>From what you said, can we specul!

ate that the> > other> > > > Rishis> > > > > > whose> > > > > > >

works> > > > > > > > are lost were using different 'systems'. What> >

could> > > > be> > > > > > the root of> > > > > > > > all this?> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Many thanks and best regards> > > >

> > > > viswanadham> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > &n;!

bsp; > */Anna <bona_mente>/* wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > Dear Chandrashekar,> > > > > > > > I have read

carefully..> > > > > > > > Thank you.> > > > > > > >

Anna> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>/* wrote:> > > > > > > &n;!

bsp; >> > > > > > &nbs;

p; > > Dear Anna,> > > > > > > > I am sorry that

you appear to be shocked> > > > with my> > > > > > opinions. I> > > > > >

> > would like> > > > > > > > you to read what I

have said carefully> > > > again. You> > > > > > will find> > > > > > >

> that I have> > > &;!

gt; > > > > already clarified that one should use the> > > >

system> > > > > > that one is> > > > > > > > comfortable> >

> > > > > > with, and have also said that different> > > >

Rishis> > > > > > devised> > > > > > > different> > > > > > >

> systems. If you read the mail in its> > > >!

entirety, you> > > > > >

; will> > > > > > > > understand that> > > > > > > >

I am not saying anything contradictory> > to> > > > what is> > > > > >

> taught,but> > > > > > > > am trying> > > > > > >

> to indicate how the teachings are to be> > > > used. I merely> > > >

> > > say that> > > > > &g;!

t; > > application of different system without> > > > > >

understanding the> > > > > > > > logic behind> > > > > > >

> them could lead one to a wrong> > prediction.> > > > An example> >

> > > > > would be> > > > > > > > Prashna> > > > > >

> > !

; Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the> > > > lo

cation of the> > > > > > > querist> > > > > > > > or

his> > > > > > > > placing a piece of Gold on a particular> > >

> direction> > > > > > on the> > > > > > > > circular

chart.> > > > > > > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by>

> this> > > > > > method can> > > > > >!

; > use the> > > > > > > > principles of Aarudha defined

by> > Parashara> > > > and one> > > > > > will> > > > > > > arrive

at> > > > > > > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha> >

arrived> > > > at by> > > > > > using> > > > > > > Parashara> > > >

> > > > principles will gi!

ve correct predictions> > > > when it> >

> > > > is used to> > > > > > > > arrive at> > > > > > >

> conclusions based on the results given in> > > > Prashna> > > > >

> Marga?> > > > > > > I am> > > > > > > > certain>

> > > > > > > you will not. Similarly can Gulika and> > > >

Mandi at> > > > > > &n;!

bsp; different> > > > > > > > points of> > > > > > > >

reference be used when applying Jaataka> > > > Paarijata> > > > > > >

parameters,> > > > > > > > when the> > > > > > > >

text states specifically that they are> > > > synonyms of> > > > > >

the same> > > > > > > !

> upag

raha?> > > > > > > > The logic behind what I wrote will be> >

clear> > > > to you.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >

> Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > Anna wrote:> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > !

> >> > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>/* wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> Dear Chandrashekar,> > > > > > > > > You raised serious

issues here,> > indeed. I> > > > just> > > > > > copied some> > > > > >

> > !

; parts,> > > > > >

; > > > although the entire post questions in> > fact> > > > all

we've> > > > > > > learnt> > > > > > > > here, so far.>

> > > > > > > > You said:*_You can not apply say > > Metric> > >

> system to> > > > > > > > manufacture a bolt> > > > > > >

> > and BSW fo!

r the nut , they would never> > fit> > > > > > properly._*> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > You imply that wrt. rashi

dristi,> > aroodas,> > > > that> > > > > > we are> > > > > > > >

thought to use> > > > > > > > > along with graha dristi

etc..I feel> > this is> > > > > > rather serious>!

; > > > > > > &nb;

sp; > and wish if> > > > > > > > > could see more

comments on this- this> > is> > > > in fact> > > > > > the first> > > > > >

> > time I see> > > > > > > > > on THIS list

such a view; implications> > > > would be> > > > > > > far-reaching> >

> > > > > > with lo!

ts> > > > > > > > > of fundamental questions raised.> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > Thank You.> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > >&n;!

bsp; > &;

nbsp; > Anna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > &;!

nbsp; >> > > > > > > > > *There are many systems based on

the> > > > experience> > > > > > of the> > > > > > > >

Rishis, who> > > > > > > > > formulated them...*> > > > > >

> > > **> > > > > > > > > * one> > > > > > &;!

gt; > &n;

bsp; > predicts on the basis of Planet drishty> > > > and when the> > > > > >

> > prediction goes> > > > > > > > > wrong one

takes recourse to explaining> > > > away the> > > > > > reason of> > > > >

> > > the failure by> > > > > > > > >

application of Rasi drishty. Same is> > the> > > > case> > > > > > with use

of!

> > > > > > > > Aarudhas,> > > > > > > > >

Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One> > > > should have a> > > > > > >

uniform> > > > > > > > approach to> > > > > > > >

> any chart one analyses. _You can not> > apply> > > > say> > > > > >

Metric> > > > > > > &;!

nbsp; system to> > > > > > &nbs;

p; > > > manufacture a bolt and BSW for the> > nut ,> > > > they> >

> > > > would never> > > > > > > > fit properly._> > > > > >

> > > *> > > > > > > > > **> > > > > > >

> > *Not much work has been done on> > Aarudhas> > > > and other> > > >

> > >&nb;!

sp; > parameters even by the> > > > > > > > > ancient

sages and ...This does not mean> > > > that the> > > > > > concept> > > > >

> > > carries no> > > > > > > > > substance,

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; > _Even the> > > > > &;

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> > > > > > !

; to support> > > > > > &;

nbsp; > > > the premise.> > > > > > > > > *> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

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