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Dear Narasimha Raoji

 

Thanks for your mail.I hope you will be able to explain things based

on your understanding.

 

In hindu predictive Astrology Dr.Raman says ''the Arc of 30 degrees

forming a zodiacal sign is called Rashi.When a sign is divided into

nine equal parts each part becomes a navamsha measuring 3 1/3

degrees.Take Aries and divide it into nine equal parts.The first

navamsha is governed by the lord of Aries ,viz Mars:the 2nd by the

lord of 2nd viz Venus etc ....and so on ,till last or 9th navamsha

which is governed by jupiter,lord of ninth from Aries.Now divide

Taurus into nine equal divisions.Now we have left the counting of

the navamsha at the 9th from Aries,viz Sagittarius.Therefore the

first navamsha of Taurus is governed by the lord of the tenth from

aries - namely Saturn......It invariably follows that for Aries Leo

and Sagittarius navamsha must be counted from Aries to Sagi''.

Now you can kindly read my previous mail to see my understanding of

the subject in full.

 

Thus in Rashi chart when you mention about Aries it refers to the

full 30 degrees.But in Navamsha when you mention about an Aries this

can be an Aries sub division in any Rashi.

 

If you can explain about your transformation theory a bit in detail

it would be helpful.

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste all,

>

> I understand that there was a discussion on aspects in divisional

charts recently. I missed the discussion as I did not read quite a

few mails. So I don't know who said what.

>

> However, remember one basic point.

>

> The zodiac used in various divisional charts is the same. For

example, the Aries in rasi chart is not different from the Aries in

dasamsa or the Aries in vimsamsa or the Aries in siddhamsa. They are

one and the same Aries. The divisional charts are based on various

transformations of the zodiac onto itself. However, the output space

of all these transformations is again the same zodiac. In fact, rasi

chakra (or kshetra chakra as Parasara calls it) is just another

transformation, but a simple one. If Jupiter in Aries in kshetra

chakra (rasi chakra) has aspect on Leo, there is no reason why

Jupiter in Aries in siddhamsa cannot do the same.

>

> In fact, that is exactly what I was taught by my gurus. Some

scholars may opine differently, but the onus is on them to explain

why Aries in rasi chart is not the same Aries in siddhamsa and why

the same rules do not apply.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

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Namaste Pradeep,

 

It is not "my" transformation theory, but simply what Parasara taught.

 

Please read the chapter on divisional charts in BPHS. You can also read that chapter in my book.

 

If Aries in rasi chart is a sign with "full 30 degrees", Aries in navamsa is

also a sign with "full 30 degrees". It is not a different Aries. It is simply

that a small part of a sign is mapped (transformed) to this "full 30 degrees".

 

A planet between 0 and 30 deg in Aries is mapped to Aries (a sign with "full 30

degrees") in kshetra/rasi chart. Similarly, a planet between 0 deg and 3.33 deg

in Aries is mapped (transformed) to Aries (a sign with "full 30 degrees") in

navamsa chart. Each divisional chart comes with a unique mapping/transformation

that maps various portions of the zodiac to signs (of "full 30 degrees") in the

zodiac.

 

The output space of this transformation/mapping is the same 360 degree zodiac

that contains 12 signs of "full 30 degrees". So don't treat Aries in siddhamsa

chart any differently from Aries in rasi chart. They are the same.

 

To understand the mapping/transformation used in various divisional charts to

map the zodiac back to the zodiac, please refer to BPHS or my book.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Dear Narasimha Raoji> > Thanks for your mail.I hope you will be able to

explain things based > on your understanding.> > In hindu predictive Astrology

Dr.Raman says ''the Arc of 30 degrees > forming a zodiacal sign is called

Rashi.When a sign is divided into > nine equal parts each part becomes a

navamsha measuring 3 1/3 > degrees.Take Aries and divide it into nine equal

parts.The first > navamsha is governed by the lord of Aries ,viz Mars:the 2nd

by the > lord of 2nd viz Venus etc ....and so on ,till last or 9th navamsha >

which is governed by jupiter,lord of ninth from Aries.Now divide > Taurus into

nine equal divisions.Now we have left the counting of > the navamsha at the 9th

from Aries,viz Sagittarius.Therefore the > first navamsha of Taurus is governed

by the lord of the tenth from > aries - namely Saturn......It invariably

follows that for Aries Leo > and Sagittarius navamsha must be counted from

Aries to Sagi''.> Now you can kindly read my previous mail to see my

understanding of > the subject in full.> > Thus in Rashi chart when you mention

about Aries it refers to the > full 30 degrees.But in Navamsha when you mention

about an Aries this > can be an Aries sub division in any Rashi.> > If you can

explain about your transformation theory a bit in detail > it would be

helpful.> > Thanks> Pradeep

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Dear Narasimha Raoji

 

Regarding the logic behind transformations i have no

confusion.Different logic for different div charts.It is fine.

 

I will explain with an example.Once this is cleared it should be

fine.

 

In my chart jupiter is at 7 plus degrees in sag in ascendant.Thus

this means this is the position of jupiter at the time of my birth

in the zodiac.Am i right.In Rashi thus we simply say Jupiter is in

Sag (full 30 degree sign)

 

Now if we check Navamsha,Jupiter has gone to Gemini.How?

We divide Sag into nine.Each navamsha division is 3.2 degrees.Thus

the first 6.4 degrees are represented by Aries and Taurus

divisions .Thus a planet in 7th degree in Sag in Rashi has to fall

in the third Navamsha ie Gemini.Similarly my lagna which is at 11

deg in Rashi will fall in the 4th division viz Cancer.

 

Now we take 2 degree Capricorn in Rashi.Divide this into nine.For

capricorn Rashis first navamsha starts from itself thus from

capricorn itself.And hence my 2 degree moon will fall within the

first 3.2 degrees or 1st Navamsha within Capricorn.Hence my moon is

in Capricorn in rashi as well as navamsha.

 

Similar is the case with any planet.Now by aspect my jupiter should

aspect 1st ,5th,7th and 9th from sag.But if we apply aspect in

navamsha it will aspect 1st,5th,7th and 9th from Gemini.Which is

different from Rashi or original aspect by virtue of its position.

 

I beleive a planet will have only one position in zodiac at a

time.Thus the position in zodiac is 7 degrees in Sag for jupiter.

 

I am yet to buy the books from you and Pt.Shri Rath.I am looking

forward to buy this.

 

Thanks for your time and patience

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> It is not "my" transformation theory, but simply what Parasara

taught.

>

> Please read the chapter on divisional charts in BPHS. You can also

read that chapter in my book.

>

> If Aries in rasi chart is a sign with "full 30 degrees", Aries in

navamsa is also a sign with "full 30 degrees". It is not a different

Aries. It is simply that a small part of a sign is mapped

(transformed) to this "full 30 degrees".

>

> A planet between 0 and 30 deg in Aries is mapped to Aries (a sign

with "full 30 degrees") in kshetra/rasi chart. Similarly, a planet

between 0 deg and 3.33 deg in Aries is mapped (transformed) to Aries

(a sign with "full 30 degrees") in navamsa chart. Each divisional

chart comes with a unique mapping/transformation that maps various

portions of the zodiac to signs (of "full 30 degrees") in the zodiac.

>

> The output space of this transformation/mapping is the same 360

degree zodiac that contains 12 signs of "full 30 degrees". So don't

treat Aries in siddhamsa chart any differently from Aries in rasi

chart. They are the same.

>

> To understand the mapping/transformation used in various

divisional charts to map the zodiac back to the zodiac, please refer

to BPHS or my book.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > Dear Narasimha Raoji

> >

> > Thanks for your mail.I hope you will be able to explain things

based

> > on your understanding.

> >

> > In hindu predictive Astrology Dr.Raman says ''the Arc of 30

degrees

> > forming a zodiacal sign is called Rashi.When a sign is divided

into

> > nine equal parts each part becomes a navamsha measuring 3 1/3

> > degrees.Take Aries and divide it into nine equal parts.The first

> > navamsha is governed by the lord of Aries ,viz Mars:the 2nd by

the

> > lord of 2nd viz Venus etc ....and so on ,till last or 9th

navamsha

> > which is governed by jupiter,lord of ninth from Aries.Now divide

> > Taurus into nine equal divisions.Now we have left the counting

of

> > the navamsha at the 9th from Aries,viz Sagittarius.Therefore the

> > first navamsha of Taurus is governed by the lord of the tenth

from

> > aries - namely Saturn......It invariably follows that for Aries

Leo

> > and Sagittarius navamsha must be counted from Aries to Sagi''.

> > Now you can kindly read my previous mail to see my understanding

of

> > the subject in full.

> >

> > Thus in Rashi chart when you mention about Aries it refers to

the

> > full 30 degrees.But in Navamsha when you mention about an Aries

this

> > can be an Aries sub division in any Rashi.

> >

> > If you can explain about your transformation theory a bit in

detail

> > it would be helpful.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

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Dear Narasimha,

You said

" It is not "my" transformation theory, but simply what Parashara

taught.Please read the chapter on divisional charts in BPHS. "

Could you point out the shloka where Parashara said this and the edition

in which the relevant shlokas appear? The edition of BPHS that I have

does not have any such specific reference.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote:

 

> Namaste Pradeep,

>

> It is not "my" transformation theory, but simply what Parasara taught.

>

> Please read the chapter on divisional charts in BPHS. You can also

> read that chapter in my book.

>

> If Aries in rasi chart is a sign with "full 30 degrees", Aries in

> navamsa is also a sign with "full 30 degrees". It is not a different

> Aries. It is simply that a small part of a sign is mapped

> (transformed) to this "full 30 degrees".

>

> A planet between 0 and 30 deg in Aries is mapped to Aries (a sign with

> "full 30 degrees") in kshetra/rasi chart. Similarly, a planet between

> 0 deg and 3.33 deg in Aries is mapped (transformed) to Aries (a sign

> with "full 30 degrees") in navamsa chart. Each divisional chart comes

> with a unique mapping/transformation that maps various portions of the

> zodiac to signs (of "full 30 degrees") in the zodiac.

>

> The output space of this transformation/mapping is the same 360 degree

> zodiac that contains 12 signs of "full 30 degrees". So don't treat

> Aries in siddhamsa chart any differently from Aries in rasi chart.

> They are the same.

>

> To understand the mapping/transformation used in various divisional

> charts to map the zodiac back to the zodiac, please refer to BPHS or

> my book.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > Dear Narasimha Raoji

> >

> > Thanks for your mail.I hope you will be able to explain things based

> > on your understanding.

> >

> > In hindu predictive Astrology Dr.Raman says ''the Arc of 30 degrees

> > forming a zodiacal sign is called Rashi.When a sign is divided into

> > nine equal parts each part becomes a navamsha measuring 3 1/3

> > degrees.Take Aries and divide it into nine equal parts.The first

> > navamsha is governed by the lord of Aries ,viz Mars:the 2nd by the

> > lord of 2nd viz Venus etc ....and so on ,till last or 9th navamsha

> > which is governed by jupiter,lord of ninth from Aries.Now divide

> > Taurus into nine equal divisions.Now we have left the counting of

> > the navamsha at the 9th from Aries,viz Sagittarius.Therefore the

> > first navamsha of Taurus is governed by the lord of the tenth from

> > aries - namely Saturn......It invariably follows that for Aries Leo

> > and Sagittarius navamsha must be counted from Aries to Sagi''.

> > Now you can kindly read my previous mail to see my understanding of

> > the subject in full.

> >

> > Thus in Rashi chart when you mention about Aries it refers to the

> > full 30 degrees.But in Navamsha when you mention about an Aries this

> > can be an Aries sub division in any Rashi.

> >

> > If you can explain about your transformation theory a bit in detail

> > it would be helpful.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

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Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

 

> Dear Narasimha,> You said> " It is not "my" transformation theory, but simply

what Parashara > taught.Please read the chapter on divisional charts in BPHS. ">

Could you point out the shloka where Parashara said this and the edition > in

which the relevant shlokas appear? The edition of BPHS that I have > does not

have any such specific reference.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.

Please read the entire chapter on divisional charts. It gives the details of all

the mappings. It defines the kshetra (rasi) chart mapping from longitude to the

12 signs, hora chart mapping from longitude to the 12 signs, drekkana chart

mapping from longitude to the 12 signs and so on. These mappings corresponding

to all divisional charts map various longitudes to the 12 signs. The 12 signs

to which planets in various longitudes are mapped as per various divisions are

the same twelve signs.

 

If Aries aspects Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius and planets in Aries aspect Leo,

Scorpio and Aquarius in rasi chart, it must be the same in all divisional

charts. It goes without saying, because Parasara used the same rasis to define

all the divisions. There is no special "navamsa Aries" and "dasamsa Aries" and

so on. If a planet is in Aries in navamsa or the planet is in Aries in dasamsa,

it is in the same sign in both charts.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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Dear Narasimha,

I do not think that Parashara has said so, after going through the

chapter in its entirety. Had that been the case, Parashara's

distribution of Horas in to Moon and Sun's hora would mean all planets

aspect each other (vide Shloka 5 and 6 Chapter 6 "Shodashavaragaadhya").

He has also not told to cast individual charts as he does in case of

special ascendants (Ch5 Shloka9)

in case of Divisional charts. Again while use of Vargas shlokas 52 and

53 indicate that the signs occupied are to be considered to arrive at

the strengths ( and by implication the results) of planets. He does not

indicate any change due to planetary aspects, as he does in various

other Yogas, not dealing with Varga charts.As a matter of fact he tells

in shloka 53 that the yogas are destroyed by the planet being

combust,defeated,debilitated weak or by being in bad Avasthas. In case

of Avasthas he unambiguously states that the Avasthas change every 6

degrees vide shloka 3 Ch. 45"GrahaavashthaadhyaayaH". Now how can one

find out the Avasthas in a divisional chart from D-5 onwards and still

be true to Parashara, is the moot question.I know that for argument's

sake it could be said that 60th part of a Rasi(1/2 amsha) be

proportionately divided and avasthas obtained. But think about the

minuscule part of the time it will represent on the back ground of

difficulty in correcting of Birth time, and the fact of this argument

not holding water would be apparent. The fact that Parashara does not

indicate this is and the reason for that would be obvious.

Even in case of Ishta and Kashta bala its application and its method to

other Vargas is not mentioned. Again, had it been plain transformation

of Rasi degrees to Varga divisions, there was no necessity of giving a

differential scale of Vimshopaka bala and most of the Vargas would not

have been given 1/2 Bala in Vimshopaka scheme. Therefore Parashara

indicating any sort of transformation of Rasi in to vargas, does not

appear to be logical, is how I look at it. Perhaps I am not able to read

beyond what has been explicitly stated by Parashara. Of course I could

be wrong and in one of the numerous editions he might have indicated

something like that but certainly not in the one used by Santanam.

I am sorry if this logic appears to be argumentative, but there was no

way I could explain why I think the way I do.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote:

 

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

>

> > Dear Narasimha,

> > You said

> > " It is not "my" transformation theory, but simply what Parashara

> > taught.Please read the chapter on divisional charts in BPHS. "

> > Could you point out the shloka where Parashara said this and the

> edition

> > in which the relevant shlokas appear? The edition of BPHS that I have

> > does not have any such specific reference.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

>

> Please read the entire chapter on divisional charts. It gives the

> details of all the mappings. It defines the kshetra (rasi) chart

> mapping from longitude to the 12 signs, hora chart mapping from

> longitude to the 12 signs, drekkana chart mapping from longitude to

> the 12 signs and so on. These mappings corresponding to all divisional

> charts map various longitudes to the 12 signs. The 12 signs to which

> planets in various longitudes are mapped as per various divisions are

> the same twelve signs.

>

> If Aries aspects Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius and planets in Aries aspect

> Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius in rasi chart, it must be the same in all

> divisional charts. It goes without saying, because Parasara used the

> same rasis to define all the divisions. There is no special "navamsa

> Aries" and "dasamsa Aries" and so on. If a planet is in Aries in

> navamsa or the planet is in Aries in dasamsa, it is in the same sign

> in both charts.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

>

> ------

> * Links*

>

> *

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>

> *

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology?subject=Un>

>

> * Terms of

> Service <>.

>

>

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