Vedic Astrology and Remedies... Some thoughts...

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Dear Guru's and Learned Members,

 

Namste,

 

While reading Rajesh Kumaria's message few times,( he

is one of my best Jyotish associates for about 6

months now and inspired me a lot to learn).

I am seeing there is pain, lack of faith (which must

have come after following some remedies suggested by

some one and did not work) either his case or his

friend or family member's case. If any one has read

the archives, who will know Rajesh's involvement and

contributions since year 2000, becuase I am reading

each and every message in the archives, hence I have

noticed him.

 

My sincere request to All guru's to ask Rajesh, what

was the problem of the native he is referring to and

what are the remedies have been taken so far, and what

was the results of those measure/remedies.

 

Basically, what I am saying here is let us take up

this particular case (with the help of Rajesh ofcouse)

and take an inventory check and find out why he is

saying like this in his original message.

 

Trust me, Guru's, I know Rajesh very well and his

knowledge level in Vedic Astrology. He is certainly

disappointed with our system. I am not blaming the

Vedic Astrology principles and system, because, I

belive them without any question.

But for some reasons, in his case or his family or

fried's case the sytem did not work. Which means,

loss of faith, which means, this will happen to me or

you or some one else in the future. So there is an

urgent need to restore the faith in our system and

principles. Please do not take me wrong here, I am

playing a catalyst role here to connect two points

together.

 

My humble request to All Guru's to take a lead and ask

him what what the problem for that native, and try to

resolve the problem.

 

As you know, I do not have the necessary command in

Jyotish yet, otherwise I would have already lead this

dicussion by now. Please, clear the

mis-understanding, misconceptions of Vedic Astrology

capabilities and principles.

 

Please forgive me for this message, but I thought

being a member of SJC, it is my duty to bring my

thoughts on the subject in hand, so that I can proudly

tell these good things to my grandchildren.

 

I look forward for one of you to lead and resolve

this.

 

A sincere student of Vedic Astrolgy

Rao Neamani

 

 

----- original message-----------

"Rajesh Mohan Kumaria"

<rajeshkumaria2000>

Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:38 pm

Vedic Astrology and Remedies... Some

thoughts...

 

 

Respected members and Gurus,

 

Here's what I found from my sofar astrological

experience ( 5 plus

years)…

With all due regards for all……While various

astrological combinations

of various Chakras and Dasa systems are really helpful

to get some

deep insights into the future, yet the remedies fail

completely when

applied in relation to financial problems, career

problems, health

issues etc., All that the remedies(Gemstones and

chanting of mantras)

do is to provide some peace of mind and confidence

only. Nothing

desired//useful happens in financial/career/health

related

dimensions, unless and until the malefic and offensive

periods are

over completely.

 

The logic is really simple: Can one chant

40000/100,000 mantras and

change one its destiny? Will the concerned evil

planets be controlled

by the God/Devatas to whom you are praying? what is a

sufficient

number for chanting mantras so that the Divine

Providence can be

altered by the concerned God/Devata in th favor of the

native? Does

the God/Devata ,to whom one is praying, has the

authority to change

the divine providence ? Well even various avataras of

Lord Vishnu had

to go through tough times until they achieved

victories, so how come

the processes will become simpler by chanting all

these mantras in

Kaliyuga? There is no harm in chanting mantras since

they provide

mental peace to some extent, if nothing else.

 

So asking for remedies and thinking that they will

change the status-

quo immediately is like child type desire and nothing

more/nothing

less. Its like asking for the Best of the World in a

minute etc.,

Say for example one is passing through very bad time

financially,

then all he/she can do is to wear some gemstones and

keep chanting

thousands of mantras for years/until the bad time is

over, while

expenses continue to drain the native's savings. Its

like traveling

in a luxury car until the bad time is over, while the

house and bed

are sold in the process. Ofcourse by the end of bad

time, some

efforts of the native will work and astrologer can

claim proudly that

the remedy was successful and there will be no need to

mention the

price paid by the native. Only the native knows the

truth and then

the native will have to work hard to make up all the

lost money, if

that can ever be recovered even in a life time in most

cases, and

life goes on and further on…..This is the pathetic

state of vedic

astrology remedies….no wonder the remedies are giving

a bad name to

the vedic astrology science/jyotish itself or may be

the remediess

are not meant for KALIYUGA at all...may be we all lack

the desired

parameters and qualities to make them work...

 

 

YES Astrology works as there is gradual transformation

of events from

malefic state of affairs to benefic state of affairs

with the passage

of time and efforts as the bad periods come to an

end…so definitely

VEDIC ASTROLOGY WORKS, but the remedies move at a

turtle's speed….

 

One may agree with me or may not agree…

the truth does not change either due to my desires nor

due to these

remedies….they never work…no harm in keep trying …keep

chanting

mantras>>>>something is better than nothing style…who

knows some day

the gods/devatas wake up and listen…

 

 

Divine Providence cannot be altered by us. No offence

intended (so

please do not send me any hate mail etc). I am not

sure whether I

will be able to reply to any mails thesedays(also i

have no other

thoughts on this issue), so please excuse me and you

can continue

your discussions on this topic,if desired…

 

Thanks and Regards.

Rajesh Kumaria.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Chandrashekhar Ji,

 

Thanks for the prompt and good reply.

 

Now please tell me/us, how can I find out the following

problems for a native, which falls into what cateogry of those

three you have mentioned before.(Dhrud mula Karma, shithil mula

karma and Prarabdha):

 

1) Job lost

2) Financial crisis

3) Family problems etc.,

 

Once, we know that the problems caused by "Shithil Mula Karma"

can be modified to a great extent by remedies, then we should

focus on that cateogory only.

 

If it is too long to explain, then please refer me to a text/book

on this topic, as I am very keen in knowing this, so that we can

set the Jataka's expectations correctly.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Regards

Rao

 

 

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Rao,

> You are right , I have also read Rajesh's mails and he is certainly

not a

> casual poster to the list.

> There are two very important things about remedies and jyotish. One

is that

> there are three types of Karmas which give one either problems or

success.

> These are Dhrud mula Karma, shithil mula karma and

Prarabdha.Effects of the

> first one has to bear and remedies can not remove them.ffects of

the second

> one can be modified to a great extent by remedies. Effects of third

one are

> connected with one's own Karma in this life.The second point is

that some of

> the good or bad results that we face are results of past Karmas

(past life

> Karma) and some are of this life Karma. So one has to carry out

this life

> karma correctly to get most out of this life. The reason is that

there is a

> Phalapaka time for every karma and the time after which the results

will

> ensue varies.

> An astrologer can only try to assist a jataka to reduce effects of

shithil

> moola karma,through,remedies sincerely. This life's Karma remains

in one's

> own hands.

> Please tell this to Rajesh so his dispodency will be removed.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> Rao Nemani [raonemani]

> Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:52 AM

> Vedic Astrology Group

> [vedic astrology] Re: Vedic Astrology and Remedies... Some

> thoughts...

>

>

> Dear Guru's and Learned Members,

>

> Namste,

>

> While reading Rajesh Kumaria's message few times,( he

> is one of my best Jyotish associates for about 6

> months now and inspired me a lot to learn).

> I am seeing there is pain, lack of faith (which must

> have come after following some remedies suggested by

> some one and did not work) either his case or his

> friend or family member's case. If any one has read

> the archives, who will know Rajesh's involvement and

> contributions since year 2000, becuase I am reading

> each and every message in the archives, hence I have

> noticed him.

>

> My sincere request to All guru's to ask Rajesh, what

> was the problem of the native he is referring to and

> what are the remedies have been taken so far, and what

> was the results of those measure/remedies.

>

> Basically, what I am saying here is let us take up

> this particular case (with the help of Rajesh ofcouse)

> and take an inventory check and find out why he is

> saying like this in his original message.

>

> Trust me, Guru's, I know Rajesh very well and his

> knowledge level in Vedic Astrology. He is certainly

> disappointed with our system. I am not blaming the

> Vedic Astrology principles and system, because, I

> belive them without any question.

> But for some reasons, in his case or his family or

> fried's case the sytem did not work. Which means,

> loss of faith, which means, this will happen to me or

> you or some one else in the future. So there is an

> urgent need to restore the faith in our system and

> principles. Please do not take me wrong here, I am

> playing a catalyst role here to connect two points

> together.

>

> My humble request to All Guru's to take a lead and ask

> him what what the problem for that native, and try to

> resolve the problem.

>

> As you know, I do not have the necessary command in

> Jyotish yet, otherwise I would have already lead this

> dicussion by now. Please, clear the

> mis-understanding, misconceptions of Vedic Astrology

> capabilities and principles.

>

> Please forgive me for this message, but I thought

> being a member of SJC, it is my duty to bring my

> thoughts on the subject in hand, so that I can proudly

> tell these good things to my grandchildren.

>

> I look forward for one of you to lead and resolve

> this.

>

> A sincere student of Vedic Astrolgy

> Rao Neamani

>

>

> ----- original message-----------

> "Rajesh Mohan Kumaria"

> <rajeshkumaria2000>

> Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:38 pm

> Vedic Astrology and Remedies... Some

> thoughts...

>

>

> Respected members and Gurus,

>

> Here's what I found from my sofar astrological

> experience ( 5 plus

> years)…

> With all due regards for all……While various

> astrological combinations

> of various Chakras and Dasa systems are really helpful

> to get some

> deep insights into the future, yet the remedies fail

> completely when

> applied in relation to financial problems, career

> problems, health

> issues etc., All that the remedies(Gemstones and

> chanting of mantras)

> do is to provide some peace of mind and confidence

> only. Nothing

> desired//useful happens in financial/career/health

> related

> dimensions, unless and until the malefic and offensive

> periods are

> over completely.

>

> The logic is really simple: Can one chant

> 40000/100,000 mantras and

> change one its destiny? Will the concerned evil

> planets be controlled

> by the God/Devatas to whom you are praying? what is a

> sufficient

> number for chanting mantras so that the Divine

> Providence can be

> altered by the concerned God/Devata in th favor of the

> native? Does

> the God/Devata ,to whom one is praying, has the

> authority to change

> the divine providence ? Well even various avataras of

> Lord Vishnu had

> to go through tough times until they achieved

> victories, so how come

> the processes will become simpler by chanting all

> these mantras in

> Kaliyuga? There is no harm in chanting mantras since

> they provide

> mental peace to some extent, if nothing else.

>

> So asking for remedies and thinking that they will

> change the status-

> quo immediately is like child type desire and nothing

> more/nothing

> less. Its like asking for the Best of the World in a

> minute etc.,

> Say for example one is passing through very bad time

> financially,

> then all he/she can do is to wear some gemstones and

> keep chanting

> thousands of mantras for years/until the bad time is

> over, while

> expenses continue to drain the native's savings. Its

> like traveling

> in a luxury car until the bad time is over, while the

> house and bed

> are sold in the process. Ofcourse by the end of bad

> time, some

> efforts of the native will work and astrologer can

> claim proudly that

> the remedy was successful and there will be no need to

> mention the

> price paid by the native. Only the native knows the

> truth and then

> the native will have to work hard to make up all the

> lost money, if

> that can ever be recovered even in a life time in most

> cases, and

> life goes on and further on…..This is the pathetic

> state of vedic

> astrology remedies….no wonder the remedies are giving

> a bad name to

> the vedic astrology science/jyotish itself or may be

> the remediess

> are not meant for KALIYUGA at all...may be we all lack

> the desired

> parameters and qualities to make them work...

>

>

> YES Astrology works as there is gradual transformation

> of events from

> malefic state of affairs to benefic state of affairs

> with the passage

> of time and efforts as the bad periods come to an

> end…so definitely

> VEDIC ASTROLOGY WORKS, but the remedies move at a

> turtle's speed….

>

> One may agree with me or may not agree…

> the truth does not change either due to my desires nor

> due to these

> remedies….they never work…no harm in keep trying …keep

> chanting

> mantras>>>>something is better than nothing style…who

> knows some day

> the gods/devatas wake up and listen…

>

>

> Divine Providence cannot be altered by us. No offence

> intended (so

> please do not send me any hate mail etc). I am not

> sure whether I

> will be able to reply to any mails thesedays(also i

> have no other

> thoughts on this issue), so please excuse me and you

> can continue

> your discussions on this topic,if desired…

>

> Thanks and Regards.

> Rajesh Kumaria.

>

>

>

>

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Dear Rajesh and all other learned members,

Let me try to give some of my thought based on my little

understanding so far.

When you said that Jyotish dictums are true but the Vedic remedies

are unsuccessful, it seems that you believe in destiny but not in

free will.

The dilemma is similar to the age old debate between freewill versus

the destiny. Better than me arguing with you I would like to qoute

small story from purana. We can delve into the intricacies of

remedies latter. You may know this story but let me again qoute it.

 

This story is about the Killing of sons of Devaki.

 

Most people in this list know Devaki as themother of Shree Krishna

the last avatar of Vishnu Bhagavan. Vasudeva was her husband.

Vasudeva is part incarnation of Maharishi Kashyapa, The father of all

gods thru Aditi, and Devaki is a part incarnation of Aditi. They had

to incarnate again for the karma of Aditi killing Diti's child in her

womb with the help of Aditi's son Indra.

Kamsa gets oracle that the eighth child of Devaki will kill him. When

Kamsa tries killing Devaki believing the prophecy, Vasudeva, to

protect Devaki promises to deliver all children to Kamsa. The story

is from the point where Vasudeva and Devaki are imprisoned by

Devaki's brother king Kamsa.

 

Vyasa said:- O King Thus, in due course, Devaki, the goddess

incarnate, being united according to rules with Vasudeva, became

pregnant.

When full ten months were over, a good looking and beautiful child

(male) was first born to Devaki. Then the good natured Vasudeva

remembered his promise, and also what is ordained by Heaven; and he

spoke to Devaki, the part incarnate of Aditi "O fair-looking! You

know that I saved your life at your marriage by swearing on oath to

deliver all your fresh-born children to Kamsa. Now has come the time

to hand over your child to Kamsa"

O good haired woman! Now I will hand your this son to Kamsa. Know

Kamsa is very cruel and wicked. I cannot say what step he will take,

urged on by Fate, to kill your child. O Sweet One! We have no hands

in the matter. The effects of Karma are exceedingly puzzling,

Ordinary persons cannot know them.

All persons are subject to Time, The Destroyer, and enjoy the merits

and demerits of their past deeds. The effects of past Karma are

fashioned by the Creator knowing this; allow me to take away your

child.

 

Devaki said :- O Lord ! Certainly men have to suffer fully the

effects of their past Karmas. But can that not be upset by residing

in holy places, practising penances and ascetism or by making

generous gifts?

High minded Maharishis have fixed rules and penances for destroying

the sins of past deeds; twelve years vow to observe penances can

purify one from sins e.g. Brahminicide, stealing gold, drinking or

stealing the wife of one's preceptor and many others.

O Sinless one! Will not any one be freed from their sinfull effects,

if they observe practices and penances as are ordained by Manu or

other Munis? If you you don't accept penances to be sufficiently

purificatory, do you mean to say, then, that what the Maharishi's,

seers, Yaajnavalkya and other promulgators of religious doctrines

have uttered, they did so, as an act of dire falsehood and villiany?.

O My Husband! "What is in the womb of Fate will surely come to pass"

if this be taken granted, then the whole of Ayurveda (Medicinal

books) and Mantra vaadas, the science and recitation of mantra or

sacred formulae turn out utterly fruitless and false!.

If all the actions are under the control of Fate, then no effect can

come out of any effort; so all efforts are reduced to no effects. If

what is ordained by Heaven is to come to pass then what is the use of

taking recourse to any action and Agnishtoma sacrifices etc, that are

declared to lead to Heavens. Judge! If Heaven or Fate you consider

all-in-all, then the whole Vedas; the revelations from God's mouth

turn out false; if the Vedas be False, then there is no reason why

Dharma will not be destroyed.

Now when it is seen that effects do come out whenever any exertion is

made, then you ought to think out carefully and find out some means

to avert danger. Therefore do you judge and find out a good way of

preserving the life of this new born baby.

The learned people say that to tell a lie is not a sin, if you can

thereby save a life, and have an honest motive for the welfare of all.

 

Vasudeva said:- O blessed one! I now tell you what is truth and

matters connected with truth. Effort, application and manifestation

of energy are certainly the duties of man; but their effects are all

under the Great Destiny or Fate.

The Pundits knowing the ancient lore say that there are three kinds

of Karma mentioned in the Puraanan and Aagama :- First Sanchita Karma

( Summation of all karma done in past) ; The Praarabda Karma, the

Karma already done ( That part of Sanchita which is ready to fructify

or fructifing); and the Vartmana Karma (Karma in hand, being

performed anew),

The Karma, auspicious and inauspicious, done in many previous lives

and preserved in seed forms, remains always inherent in a human soul.

Urged on by this Karma, the Jeeva's quitting their previous bodies,

enjoy Heaven and Hell as effects of these, their own acts.

According to their good or bad works, the Jivas' acquire the higher

happy body and enjoy various pleasures in the Heavens, or they take

up very painful vicious bodies and suffer various pains in Hell.

At the expiry of the above period in Heaven or Hell, when there comes

the time of assuming abother body, the Jeeva becomes concious of the

subtle body (Linga Deha) and takes his birth again. When the Linga

deaha comes into existencem the part of the karma done in various

previous births that are ripe and ready to yield their fruits, gets

attached to the Jeeva by God (or Destiny).

Therefore the collective effect of Karma done in previous births

always exists in a Jeeva body. O Fair eyed one! The effects of

Praarabda Karma, ripened and ready to yield their fruits must have to

experienced by a jeeva, whether happy or unhappy.

O beautiful young woman! Penances, Performed according to rules,

destroy the effects of Karmas that in hand and are weak.

The Praarabda Karma, (those acts out of all the previous acts done in

previous births that are fully mature and ready to yield their

fruits) cannot be averted; their effects must have to be experienced

and then they can die away; they cannot be expitiated by penances or

any othe remedial measures. Therefore you must hand over

unconditionally your newborn babe unto the hands of Kamsa.

O Goddess! I have never done any blameable action, nor have I told

any lie. Therefore do you fulfill your truth and hand over your baby.

O Devaki! Dharma is the only thing permanent and real in this

fleeting world. Even the births and deaths of high souled persons are

suject to the great Destiny. Therefore the Jeeva's ought not to be

sorry when there is no help for it.

O dear one! What shall I say to you! Know this much that his life is

spent in vain who is lost to Truth. O beautifull one!. Whose this

life is destroyed, what can he expect in the life to come!

 

Then Devaki hands over the child cryingly to Vasudeva.

 

Now as Jyotisha's The task is to identify the 3 Karma Shown in the

chart and the effective remedies. As a thought Shashtyamsa may show

the whole Sanchita Karma. The Rashi and other charts may show the

Praarabda Karma. Based on Dasha's the Praarabda fructify.

Some events like death etc bound to happen are very hard to remove.

So depending on a certain yoga being in Fixed, dual or movable signs

the hardness of Karma can be judged. Depending on the Yuga of the

Rashi the quality of the yoga can be judge. Like the Aries and trines

are Sat yuga, Pisces and trines Dwapara yuga, Aquarius and trines are

Treta yuga and Capricorn and trines are Kaliyuga. Depending on the

Yuga the remedy needs to be intensified 1,2,4,8 times if it can be

mitigated.

Some Karma are in grey i.e they cant be black or white.

As an example let me say for that a chart has the Both Daridra yoga

and Dhana yoga and the Dasha running is of Daridra yoga then the

person could suffer poverty. But remedies act like cuncurent dasa and

corresponding Dhana yoga Dasha can be simulated by recitation of

mantra etc. Of course the quality has to be judged between the Dhana

yoga versus Daridra yoga.

Prescription of Mantras etc should be based on the Individuals chart,

Yuga etc. Good start can be done by reading the Vedic Remedies Book.

I think it's an inborn nature in Humans (being Rajasic by birth) to

seek remedy and avoid pain.

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

 

Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Rajesh Mohan Kumaria"

<rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> Respected members and Gurus,

> Here's what I found from my sofar astrological experience ( 5 plus

> years)…

> With all due regards for all……While various astrological

combinations

> of various Chakras and Dasa systems are really helpful to get some

> deep insights into the future, yet the remedies fail completely

when

> applied in relation to financial problems, career problems, health

> issues etc., All that the remedies(Gemstones and chanting of

mantras)

> do is to provide some peace of mind and confidence only. Nothing

> desired//useful happens in financial/career/health related

> dimensions, unless and until the malefic and offensive periods are

> over completely.

>

> The logic is really simple: Can one chant 40000/100,000 mantras and

> change one its destiny? Will the concerned evil planets be

controlled

> by the God/Devatas to whom you are praying? what is a sufficient

> number for chanting mantras so that the Divine Providence can be

> altered by the concerned God/Devata in th favor of the native? Does

> the God/Devata ,to whom one is praying, has the authority to change

> the divine providence ? Well even various avataras of Lord Vishnu

had

> to go through tough times until they achieved victories, so how

come

> the processes will become simpler by chanting all these mantras in

> Kaliyuga? There is no harm in chanting mantras since they provide

> mental peace to some extent, if nothing else.

>

> So asking for remedies and thinking that they will change the

status-

> quo immediately is like child type desire and nothing more/nothing

> less. Its like asking for the Best of the World in a minute etc.,

> Say for example one is passing through very bad time financially,

> then all he/she can do is to wear some gemstones and keep chanting

> thousands of mantras for years/until the bad time is over, while

> expenses continue to drain the native's savings. Its like traveling

> in a luxury car until the bad time is over, while the house and

bed

> are sold in the process. Ofcourse by the end of bad time, some

> efforts of the native will work and astrologer can claim proudly

that

> the remedy was successful and there will be no need to mention the

> price paid by the native. Only the native knows the truth and then

> the native will have to work hard to make up all the lost money, if

> that can ever be recovered even in a life time in most cases, and

> life goes on and further on…..This is the pathetic state of vedic

> astrology remedies….no wonder the remedies are giving a bad name to

> the vedic astrology science/jyotish itself or may be the remediess

> are not meant for KALIYUGA at all...may be we all lack the desired

> parameters and qualities to make them work...

>

>

> YES Astrology works as there is gradual transformation of events

from

> malefic state of affairs to benefic state of affairs with the

passage

> of time and efforts as the bad periods come to an end…so definitely

> VEDIC ASTROLOGY WORKS, but the remedies move at a turtle's speed….

>

> One may agree with me or may not agree…

> the truth does not change either due to my desires nor due to these

> remedies….they never work…no harm in keep trying …keep chanting

> mantras>>>>something is better than nothing style…who knows some

day

> the gods/devatas wake up and listen…

>

>

> Divine Providence cannot be altered by us. No offence intended (so

> please do not send me any hate mail etc). I am not sure whether I

> will be able to reply to any mails thesedays(also i have no other

> thoughts on this issue), so please excuse me and you can continue

> your discussions on this topic,if desired…

> Thanks and Regards.

> Rajesh Kumaria.

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Dear Sanjay Ji,

 

Namaste,

 

Thank you for your prompt and very good explanation

on the Rajesh's message.

 

If I have not seen your reply, Chandrashekar Ji and

Sanjay Prabhakaran's messages today, I was actually thinking

of packing all these 20 odd books I have acuired in the

last 6 months, and put a stop in spending time in this area,

where we can not find answers for a such a simple questions.

 

I am convinced now and shall continue my search for the light

with the help of my Guru ji/SJC-Guru's and my mother Mahalakshmi

blessings.

 

Regards

Rao

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

<daivagyna@s...> wrote:

> Om Gurave namah

>

>

> Dear Rao,

>

> Rajesh is among the sincere, devoted and dedicated souls in this

list. He suffers from similar problems like I do in the chart. There

is a Sarpa Yoga indicating suffering, financial downturn and what not

all and then this broken by a benefic planet in strength meaning that

here is a person entangled in the serpentine coils of the Kali yuga

and struggling to break free. Remedies do not work easily as it is

not easy for them to come out of the coil of the sarpa. Natural age

is 43 or 45 years. look at me what not all remedies I have tried, yet

the suffering must continue. They are trapped in this body and have

to endure - there is no escape. If the sarpa yoga is unbroken then

they will not suffer internally as they will relish the evil doing

and can turn evil themselves. If the sarpa yoga is broken then they

will be spiritual. god fearing and will have to live till they cross

the barrier - 45 years.

>

> Such people will gradually learn detatchment and their learning

will also be a tough process. These are the lessons they have tried

to run away from in a revious incarnation and thus the experience has

come into the currect life.

>

> Rajesh is a favorite of Lakshmi devi and she awaits his freedom

from this serpentine coil. Be sure that when the yoga breaks, the

native will soar high.

>

> I have recently realised that the kendra are Vishnu sthana and it

is Bhagavat bhakti that alone can break us free. So long as I was

struggling with all the mantras and yantras, nothing would

happen..intitial success followed by failures and I was in ground

zero again and again. Then I did the RIGHT THING - I just gave up and

decided to live each day as it came; no plans no sorrows due to

failed plans; no dreams , no sorrows due to broken dreams; just gave

up as I felt very tired and just sat down and immerced myself in 'Om

namo Narayanaya'..to forget the world. Then from somewhere Jagannath

came and everything happend on its own..after that in the last six

months I have only seen HIM working every where. Like I fool in sarpa

yoga, I still watch, as if waiting for another miracle...You don't

believe it! Sounds incredible. Well in the west coast conference I

will give the proof of this. Just take the charts of (1) SJVC, (2)

SJC Asia and (3) SJC USA and see WHO is the guiding deity - note

these are mundane charts and don't look for Ista devata and moksha

for these organisations..look for the Guru devata - the BK. Who do

you see?? Was it not Jagannath Mahaprabhu - Moon is Krishna. He was

right next to me all the time and I, the great fool failed to see him

when I saw all those stars. Deep inside I had only one request to

make to everyone..make whatever organisation..but do name it after

Jagannath.

>

> May Satya Narayana Sri Jagannath help me to continue in this...and

also help Rajesh to break free. Realise that we are too weak. With

all my knowledge of mantra shastra I failed to break the Sarpa yoga.

Why waste time..and energy. Simple problems can be got over by

following the prayers etc prescribed by Parasara, even curses can be

got over but Sarpa, kala Sarpa etc yogas and other such terrible

things which grasp a man and inflict terrible wounds in this Kali

Yuga..where is the remedy given by Parasara or the seers. There is no

simple remedy. All those kala sarpa poojas I have read are

useless...there is just one answer - surrender -give up - you cannot

win against this overwhelming karma.

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Yours truly,

> Sanjay Rath

> ---------------------------

> H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871

http://srath.com <http://srath.com>

> ---------------------------

>

>

>

> Rao Nemani [raonemani]

> Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:52 AM

> Vedic Astrology Group

> [vedic astrology] Re: Vedic Astrology and Remedies... Some

> thoughts...

>

>

> Dear Guru's and Learned Members,

>

> Namste,

>

> While reading Rajesh Kumaria's message few times,( he

> is one of my best Jyotish associates for about 6

> months now and inspired me a lot to learn).

> I am seeing there is pain, lack of faith (which must

> have come after following some remedies suggested by

> some one and did not work) either his case or his

> friend or family member's case. If any one has read

> the archives, who will know Rajesh's involvement and

> contributions since year 2000, becuase I am reading

> each and every message in the archives, hence I have

> noticed him.

>

> My sincere request to All guru's to ask Rajesh, what

> was the problem of the native he is referring to and

> what are the remedies have been taken so far, and what

> was the results of those measure/remedies.

>

> Basically, what I am saying here is let us take up

> this particular case (with the help of Rajesh ofcouse)

> and take an inventory check and find out why he is

> saying like this in his original message.

>

> Trust me, Guru's, I know Rajesh very well and his

> knowledge level in Vedic Astrology. He is certainly

> disappointed with our system. I am not blaming the

> Vedic Astrology principles and system, because, I

> belive them without any question.

> But for some reasons, in his case or his family or

> fried's case the sytem did not work. Which means,

> loss of faith, which means, this will happen to me or

> you or some one else in the future. So there is an

> urgent need to restore the faith in our system and

> principles. Please do not take me wrong here, I am

> playing a catalyst role here to connect two points

> together.

>

> My humble request to All Guru's to take a lead and ask

> him what what the problem for that native, and try to

> resolve the problem.

>

> As you know, I do not have the necessary command in

> Jyotish yet, otherwise I would have already lead this

> dicussion by now. Please, clear the

> mis-understanding, misconceptions of Vedic Astrology

> capabilities and principles.

>

> Please forgive me for this message, but I thought

> being a member of SJC, it is my duty to bring my

> thoughts on the subject in hand, so that I can proudly

> tell these good things to my grandchildren.

>

> I look forward for one of you to lead and resolve

> this.

>

> A sincere student of Vedic Astrolgy

> Rao Neamani

>

>

> ----- original message-----------

> "Rajesh Mohan Kumaria"

> <rajeshkumaria2000>

> Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:38 pm

> Vedic Astrology and Remedies... Some

> thoughts...

>

>

> Respected members and Gurus,

>

> Here's what I found from my sofar astrological

> experience ( 5 plus

> years)

> With all due regards for allWhile various

> astrological combinations

> of various Chakras and Dasa systems are really helpful

> to get some

> deep insights into the future, yet the remedies fail

> completely when

> applied in relation to financial problems, career

> problems, health

> issues etc., All that the remedies(Gemstones and

> chanting of mantras)

> do is to provide some peace of mind and confidence

> only. Nothing

> desired//useful happens in financial/career/health

> related

> dimensions, unless and until the malefic and offensive

> periods are

> over completely.

>

> The logic is really simple: Can one chant

> 40000/100,000 mantras and

> change one its destiny? Will the concerned evil

> planets be controlled

> by the God/Devatas to whom you are praying? what is a

> sufficient

> number for chanting mantras so that the Divine

> Providence can be

> altered by the concerned God/Devata in th favor of the

> native? Does

> the God/Devata ,to whom one is praying, has the

> authority to change

> the divine providence ? Well even various avataras of

> Lord Vishnu had

> to go through tough times until they achieved

> victories, so how come

> the processes will become simpler by chanting all

> these mantras in

> Kaliyuga? There is no harm in chanting mantras since

> they provide

> mental peace to some extent, if nothing else.

>

> So asking for remedies and thinking that they will

> change the status-

> quo immediately is like child type desire and nothing

> more/nothing

> less. Its like asking for the Best of the World in a

> minute etc.,

> Say for example one is passing through very bad time

> financially,

> then all he/she can do is to wear some gemstones and

> keep chanting

> thousands of mantras for years/until the bad time is

> over, while

> expenses continue to drain the native's savings. Its

> like traveling

> in a luxury car until the bad time is over, while the

> house and bed

> are sold in the process. Ofcourse by the end of bad

> time, some

> efforts of the native will work and astrologer can

> claim proudly that

> the remedy was successful and there will be no need to

> mention the

> price paid by the native. Only the native knows the

> truth and then

> the native will have to work hard to make up all the

> lost money, if

> that can ever be recovered even in a life time in most

> cases, and

> life goes on and further on..This is the pathetic

> state of vedic

> astrology remedies.no wonder the remedies are giving

> a bad name to

> the vedic astrology science/jyotish itself or may be

> the remediess

> are not meant for KALIYUGA at all...may be we all lack

> the desired

> parameters and qualities to make them work...

>

>

> YES Astrology works as there is gradual transformation

> of events from

> malefic state of affairs to benefic state of affairs

> with the passage

> of time and efforts as the bad periods come to an

> endso definitely

> VEDIC ASTROLOGY WORKS, but the remedies move at a

> turtle's speed.

>

> One may agree with me or may not agree

> the truth does not change either due to my desires nor

> due to these

> remedies.they never workno harm in keep trying keep

> chanting

> mantras>>>>something is better than nothing stylewho

> knows some day

> the gods/devatas wake up and listen

>

>

> Divine Providence cannot be altered by us. No offence

> intended (so

> please do not send me any hate mail etc). I am not

> sure whether I

> will be able to reply to any mails thesedays(also i

> have no other

> thoughts on this issue), so please excuse me and you

> can continue

> your discussions on this topic,if desired

>

> Thanks and Regards.

> Rajesh Kumaria.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Pranaam Sanjay,

 

I read your mails on this topic.

 

We in Andhra Pradesh (a southern state of India) believe that Lord Balaji (also

known as Srinivasa or Venkateswara) is the form of Vishnu who is suitable for

Kali Yuga. We call Him the "Yuga Devata". You ask Him anything and offer a

satisfactory "bribe". He will grant your wishes. There are so many people who

promise to shave their head or offer a certain donation if something they want

happens and usually they are never disappointed. As long as the "bribe" is

commensurate with what you are asking, Balaji grants your wishes. But, if you

forget to fulfil your promise, He can be cruel too.

 

Sometimes, when people are given the greatest of the opportunities to realize

the futility of attachments and become detached, they see it as a problem and

not as the greatest blessing that it is. They keep searching for a so-called

"solution" to their so-called "problems". The so-called solution may take them

backwards in the journey of soul towards liberation, but they don't mind it!

The ultimate goal of each soul is to rise above desires and become detached.

But, that's easier said than done. Often, people lose sight of the ultimate

goal and worry about short-term goals. In such cases, perhaps it is acceptable

for astrologers to forget ishta devata etc and offer remedies that bring the

so-called immediate relief. Each soul has a path it follows to moksha based on

all of its karma. Who are we to influence others?

 

Worship of Balaji is one such surefire remedy. Another thing I saw is Satya

Narayana vratam. It is supposed to be the best remedy in Kali Yuga, that grants

all of one's wishes.

 

In your case, I told you before and still think that Lord Narasimha is

appropriate. If you don't care about your material woes, then you are fine.

But, if you care about them and want relief, try reading "Rudra Krita

Mantraraja Pada Stotram" (a mantra for Lord Narasimha) every morning for 40

days. You'll definitely see a difference in mental peace, focus and material

success.

 

In the case of Rajesh Kumaria, I don't have any specific advice on the natal

chart based remedies, but have one suggestion based on Tithi Pravesha. A new

year for him starts on 5th August 2003 at 6:52 am IST (convert the date & time

to wherever he lives now). If he can start meditation 15 minutes before this

time and meditates for 30 minutes on Lord Subrahmanya (Kartikeya) and Lord

Sadashiva, it will be very helpful during the year. Mars is the ruler of the

year and he aspects lagna. There is Guru-Mangala yoga (cum raja yoga) given by

yoga karaka Mars in Aq and 5th lord Jupiter in Leo lagna. Kartikeya is for Mars

and Sadashiva is for Jupiter in Leo. Sarpa yoga due to Mars and nodes occurs in

TP chart also, like in the natal chart. In the TP chart, Jupiter breaks it in

first house. So I am recommending the worship of Sadashiva. It will see him

thru the troubles of the year.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Jaya Guru > Dear Sri Rao > I don't have your chart to comment. I

checked my computer with new JHora database. Can you attach your jhd file. I

wonder if the sarpa or KSY is roken and if so by which planet. I am also

researching the exact years when this will seize, extent of malevolence and

other things. Sarpa or KSY charts are fascinating as they hold the ultimate

challenge to the astrologer. One remedy which has unfailingly worked is

TIRUPATI BALAJI..somehow Rahu's troubles just vanish after going there and

shaving one's head. The amount of relief one gets is phenomenal. > Yours

truly, > Sanjay Rath > Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> E-mail: srath@s... srath@v... daivagyna@s... > Web: http://srath.com

http://.org > ----~om tat sat~--------------

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay Ji,

 

Namaste,

 

To be very honest with you, I have never done that kind

of studies so far, including for Master's Prgramme in

Software Engineering, everything was kept/stored in my mind.

My text books are always as good as new, because no marking,

no notes on the books, never.

 

But this devine science is quite different in learning,

as I have already recognized this, becuase I found myself

not remembering few facts studies just few days ago. Which

was not the case with my Non Astrological Studies, I could

remember very well even I studied some time ago. That is

why I have request my Guru Ji to give me a Mantra to remember

my Jyotish studies, which I got it from him today.

 

So the bottom line is: my approach should be different for

learning Jyotish. Your suggession is just in time for me too,

otherwise, as you said, I would have lost in the ocean of

Jyotish knowledge.

 

I shall follow your suggesion without fail from now onwards.

 

Thanks for the advise one more time.

 

Regards

Rao

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

<daivagyna@s...> wrote:

>

>

> Jaya Guru

> Dear Rao

> Make notes as you study. I made very extensive notes. I always

wrote down every point and then would ponder over it. One page per

topic works fine for short notes, plan this and start keeping notes

else you will get lost in this ocean. Under notes keep reference

charts..just basic data-date/time /place and event if needed.

> Yours truly,

> Sanjay Rath

> Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> E-mail: srath@s... srath@v... daivagyna@s...

> Web: http://srath.com http://.org

> ----~om tat sat~--------------

>

>

>

> Rao Nemani [raonemani]

> Sunday, July 20, 2003 6:00 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Vedic Astrology and Remedies... Some

thoughts...

>

>

> Dear Sanjay Ji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> Thank you for your prompt and very good explanation

> on the Rajesh's message.

>

> If I have not seen your reply, Chandrashekar Ji and

> Sanjay Prabhakaran's messages today, I was actually thinking

> of packing all these 20 odd books I have acuired in the

> last 6 months, and put a stop in spending time in this area,

> where we can not find answers for a such a simple questions.

>

> I am convinced now and shall continue my search for the light

> with the help of my Guru ji/SJC-Guru's and my mother Mahalakshmi

> blessings.

>

> Regards

> Rao

>

> vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

> <daivagyna@s...> wrote:

> > Om Gurave namah

> >

> >

> > Dear Rao,

> >

> > Rajesh is among the sincere, devoted and dedicated souls in this

> list. He suffers from similar problems like I do in the chart.

There

> is a Sarpa Yoga indicating suffering, financial downturn and what

not

> all and then this broken by a benefic planet in strength meaning

that

> here is a person entangled in the serpentine coils of the Kali yuga

> and struggling to break free. Remedies do not work easily as it is

> not easy for them to come out of the coil of the sarpa. Natural age

> is 43 or 45 years. look at me what not all remedies I have tried,

yet

> the suffering must continue. They are trapped in this body and have

> to endure - there is no escape. If the sarpa yoga is unbroken then

> they will not suffer internally as they will relish the evil doing

> and can turn evil themselves. If the sarpa yoga is broken then they

> will be spiritual. god fearing and will have to live till they

cross

> the barrier - 45 years.

> >

> > Such people will gradually learn detatchment and their learning

> will also be a tough process. These are the lessons they have tried

> to run away from in a revious incarnation and thus the experience

has

> come into the currect life.

> >

> > Rajesh is a favorite of Lakshmi devi and she awaits his freedom

> from this serpentine coil. Be sure that when the yoga breaks, the

> native will soar high.

> >

> > I have recently realised that the kendra are Vishnu sthana and it

> is Bhagavat bhakti that alone can break us free. So long as I was

> struggling with all the mantras and yantras, nothing would

> happen..intitial success followed by failures and I was in ground

> zero again and again. Then I did the RIGHT THING - I just gave up

and

> decided to live each day as it came; no plans no sorrows due to

> failed plans; no dreams , no sorrows due to broken dreams; just

gave

> up as I felt very tired and just sat down and immerced myself

in 'Om

> namo Narayanaya'..to forget the world. Then from somewhere

Jagannath

> came and everything happend on its own..after that in the last six

> months I have only seen HIM working every where. Like I fool in

sarpa

> yoga, I still watch, as if waiting for another miracle...You don't

> believe it! Sounds incredible. Well in the west coast conference I

> will give the proof of this. Just take the charts of (1) SJVC, (2)

> SJC Asia and (3) SJC USA and see WHO is the guiding deity - note

> these are mundane charts and don't look for Ista devata and moksha

> for these organisations..look for the Guru devata - the BK. Who do

> you see?? Was it not Jagannath Mahaprabhu - Moon is Krishna. He was

> right next to me all the time and I, the great fool failed to see

him

> when I saw all those stars. Deep inside I had only one request to

> make to everyone..make whatever organisation..but do name it after

> Jagannath.

> >

> > May Satya Narayana Sri Jagannath help me to continue in

this...and

> also help Rajesh to break free. Realise that we are too weak. With

> all my knowledge of mantra shastra I failed to break the Sarpa

yoga.

> Why waste time..and energy. Simple problems can be got over by

> following the prayers etc prescribed by Parasara, even curses can

be

> got over but Sarpa, kala Sarpa etc yogas and other such terrible

> things which grasp a man and inflict terrible wounds in this Kali

> Yuga..where is the remedy given by Parasara or the seers. There is

no

> simple remedy. All those kala sarpa poojas I have read are

> useless...there is just one answer - surrender -give up - you

cannot

> win against this overwhelming karma.

> >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> > Yours truly,

> > Sanjay Rath

> > ---------------------------

> > H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India, +91-674-2436871

> http://srath.com <http://srath.com>

> > ---------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> > Rao Nemani [raonemani]

> > Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:52 AM

> > Vedic Astrology Group

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Vedic Astrology and Remedies...

Some

> > thoughts...

> >

> >

> > Dear Guru's and Learned Members,

> >

> > Namste,

> >

> > While reading Rajesh Kumaria's message few times,( he

> > is one of my best Jyotish associates for about 6

> > months now and inspired me a lot to learn).

> > I am seeing there is pain, lack of faith (which must

> > have come after following some remedies suggested by

> > some one and did not work) either his case or his

> > friend or family member's case. If any one has read

> > the archives, who will know Rajesh's involvement and

> > contributions since year 2000, becuase I am reading

> > each and every message in the archives, hence I have

> > noticed him.

> >

> > My sincere request to All guru's to ask Rajesh, what

> > was the problem of the native he is referring to and

> > what are the remedies have been taken so far, and what

> > was the results of those measure/remedies.

> >

> > Basically, what I am saying here is let us take up

> > this particular case (with the help of Rajesh ofcouse)

> > and take an inventory check and find out why he is

> > saying like this in his original message.

> >

> > Trust me, Guru's, I know Rajesh very well and his

> > knowledge level in Vedic Astrology. He is certainly

> > disappointed with our system. I am not blaming the

> > Vedic Astrology principles and system, because, I

> > belive them without any question.

> > But for some reasons, in his case or his family or

> > fried's case the sytem did not work. Which means,

> > loss of faith, which means, this will happen to me or

> > you or some one else in the future. So there is an

> > urgent need to restore the faith in our system and

> > principles. Please do not take me wrong here, I am

> > playing a catalyst role here to connect two points

> > together.

> >

> > My humble request to All Guru's to take a lead and ask

> > him what what the problem for that native, and try to

> > resolve the problem.

> >

> > As you know, I do not have the necessary command in

> > Jyotish yet, otherwise I would have already lead this

> > dicussion by now. Please, clear the

> > mis-understanding, misconceptions of Vedic Astrology

> > capabilities and principles.

> >

> > Please forgive me for this message, but I thought

> > being a member of SJC, it is my duty to bring my

> > thoughts on the subject in hand, so that I can proudly

> > tell these good things to my grandchildren.

> >

> > I look forward for one of you to lead and resolve

> > this.

> >

> > A sincere student of Vedic Astrolgy

> > Rao Neamani

> >

> >

> > ----- original message-----------

> > "Rajesh Mohan Kumaria"

> > <rajeshkumaria2000>

> > Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:38 pm

> > Vedic Astrology and Remedies... Some

> > thoughts...

> >

> >

> > Respected members and Gurus,

> >

> > Here's what I found from my sofar astrological

> > experience ( 5 plus

> > years)

> > With all due regards for allWhile various

> > astrological combinations

> > of various Chakras and Dasa systems are really helpful

> > to get some

> > deep insights into the future, yet the remedies fail

> > completely when

> > applied in relation to financial problems, career

> > problems, health

> > issues etc., All that the remedies(Gemstones and

> > chanting of mantras)

> > do is to provide some peace of mind and confidence

> > only. Nothing

> > desired//useful happens in financial/career/health

> > related

> > dimensions, unless and until the malefic and offensive

> > periods are

> > over completely.

> >

> > The logic is really simple: Can one chant

> > 40000/100,000 mantras and

> > change one its destiny? Will the concerned evil

> > planets be controlled

> > by the God/Devatas to whom you are praying? what is a

> > sufficient

> > number for chanting mantras so that the Divine

> > Providence can be

> > altered by the concerned God/Devata in th favor of the

> > native? Does

> > the God/Devata ,to whom one is praying, has the

> > authority to change

> > the divine providence ? Well even various avataras of

> > Lord Vishnu had

> > to go through tough times until they achieved

> > victories, so how come

> > the processes will become simpler by chanting all

> > these mantras in

> > Kaliyuga? There is no harm in chanting mantras since

> > they provide

> > mental peace to some extent, if nothing else.

> >

> > So asking for remedies and thinking that they will

> > change the status-

> > quo immediately is like child type desire and nothing

> > more/nothing

> > less. Its like asking for the Best of the World in a

> > minute etc.,

> > Say for example one is passing through very bad time

> > financially,

> > then all he/she can do is to wear some gemstones and

> > keep chanting

> > thousands of mantras for years/until the bad time is

> > over, while

> > expenses continue to drain the native's savings. Its

> > like traveling

> > in a luxury car until the bad time is over, while the

> > house and bed

> > are sold in the process. Ofcourse by the end of bad

> > time, some

> > efforts of the native will work and astrologer can

> > claim proudly that

> > the remedy was successful and there will be no need to

> > mention the

> > price paid by the native. Only the native knows the

> > truth and then

> > the native will have to work hard to make up all the

> > lost money, if

> > that can ever be recovered even in a life time in most

> > cases, and

> > life goes on and further on..This is the pathetic

> > state of vedic

> > astrology remedies.no wonder the remedies are giving

> > a bad name to

> > the vedic astrology science/jyotish itself or may be

> > the remediess

> > are not meant for KALIYUGA at all...may be we all lack

> > the desired

> > parameters and qualities to make them work...

> >

> >

> > YES Astrology works as there is gradual transformation

> > of events from

> > malefic state of affairs to benefic state of affairs

> > with the passage

> > of time and efforts as the bad periods come to an

> > endso definitely

> > VEDIC ASTROLOGY WORKS, but the remedies move at a

> > turtle's speed.

> >

> > One may agree with me or may not agree

> > the truth does not change either due to my desires nor

> > due to these

> > remedies.they never workno harm in keep trying keep

> > chanting

> > mantras>>>>something is better than nothing stylewho

> > knows some day

> > the gods/devatas wake up and listen

> >

> >

> > Divine Providence cannot be altered by us. No offence

> > intended (so

> > please do not send me any hate mail etc). I am not

> > sure whether I

> > will be able to reply to any mails thesedays(also i

> > have no other

> > thoughts on this issue), so please excuse me and you

> > can continue

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> > Rajesh Kumaria.

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Dear Shri Sanjayji,

 

I suffer from the sarpa roga in my horoscope as well. I have

sufferred which includes an imbalance in thoughts as well. My

learning of astrology is guided by a very selfish motive and is

still in its infancy stage. However, with thet very little that I

know, I know that I should accept my fate. But, there are times when

it is not easy and you do tend to fight rather than accepting it

which apart from creating imbalance in the mind does not yield

anything. Sometimes I think that even that is a part of karma but

still....I think that the greatest blessing of this science is

acceptance and karma which is the teaching of Gita. We know it but

astrology teaches it with logic and reason, so somehow we accept it

as well.

 

With regards,

 

NC Gupta

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

<daivagyna@s...> wrote:

>

>

> Jaya Guru

> Dear Rao

> Make notes as you study. I made very extensive notes. I always

wrote down every point and then would ponder over it. One page per

topic works fine for short notes, plan this and start keeping notes

else you will get lost in this ocean. Under notes keep reference

charts..just basic data-date/time /place and event if needed.

> Yours truly,

> Sanjay Rath

> Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> E-mail: srath@s... srath@v... daivagyna@s...

> Web: http://srath.com http://.org

> ----~om tat sat~--------------

>

>

>

> Rao Nemani [raonemani]

> Sunday, July 20, 2003 6:00 PM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Vedic Astrology and Remedies...

Some thoughts...

>

>

> Dear Sanjay Ji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> Thank you for your prompt and very good explanation

> on the Rajesh's message.

>

> If I have not seen your reply, Chandrashekar Ji and

> Sanjay Prabhakaran's messages today, I was actually thinking

> of packing all these 20 odd books I have acuired in the

> last 6 months, and put a stop in spending time in this area,

> where we can not find answers for a such a simple questions.

>

> I am convinced now and shall continue my search for the light

> with the help of my Guru ji/SJC-Guru's and my mother Mahalakshmi

> blessings.

>

> Regards

> Rao

>

> vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath"

> <daivagyna@s...> wrote:

> > Om Gurave namah

> >

> >

> > Dear Rao,

> >

> > Rajesh is among the sincere, devoted and dedicated souls in this

> list. He suffers from similar problems like I do in the chart.

There

> is a Sarpa Yoga indicating suffering, financial downturn and what

not

> all and then this broken by a benefic planet in strength meaning

that

> here is a person entangled in the serpentine coils of the Kali

yuga

> and struggling to break free. Remedies do not work easily as it is

> not easy for them to come out of the coil of the sarpa. Natural

age

> is 43 or 45 years. look at me what not all remedies I have tried,

yet

> the suffering must continue. They are trapped in this body and

have

> to endure - there is no escape. If the sarpa yoga is unbroken then

> they will not suffer internally as they will relish the evil doing

> and can turn evil themselves. If the sarpa yoga is broken then

they

> will be spiritual. god fearing and will have to live till they

cross

> the barrier - 45 years.

> >

> > Such people will gradually learn detatchment and their learning

> will also be a tough process. These are the lessons they have

tried

> to run away from in a revious incarnation and thus the experience

has

> come into the currect life.

> >

> > Rajesh is a favorite of Lakshmi devi and she awaits his freedom

> from this serpentine coil. Be sure that when the yoga breaks, the

> native will soar high.

> >

> > I have recently realised that the kendra are Vishnu sthana and

it

> is Bhagavat bhakti that alone can break us free. So long as I was

> struggling with all the mantras and yantras, nothing would

> happen..intitial success followed by failures and I was in ground

> zero again and again. Then I did the RIGHT THING - I just gave up

and

> decided to live each day as it came; no plans no sorrows due to

> failed plans; no dreams , no sorrows due to broken dreams; just

gave

> up as I felt very tired and just sat down and immerced myself

in 'Om

> namo Narayanaya'..to forget the world. Then from somewhere

Jagannath

> came and everything happend on its own..after that in the last six

> months I have only seen HIM working every where. Like I fool in

sarpa

> yoga, I still watch, as if waiting for another miracle...You don't

> believe it! Sounds incredible. Well in the west coast conference I

> will give the proof of this. Just take the charts of (1) SJVC, (2)

> SJC Asia and (3) SJC USA and see WHO is the guiding deity - note

> these are mundane charts and don't look for Ista devata and moksha

> for these organisations..look for the Guru devata - the BK. Who do

> you see?? Was it not Jagannath Mahaprabhu - Moon is Krishna. He

was

> right next to me all the time and I, the great fool failed to see

him

> when I saw all those stars. Deep inside I had only one request to

> make to everyone..make whatever organisation..but do name it after

> Jagannath.

> >

> > May Satya Narayana Sri Jagannath help me to continue in

this...and

> also help Rajesh to break free. Realise that we are too weak. With

> all my knowledge of mantra shastra I failed to break the Sarpa

yoga.

> Why waste time..and energy. Simple problems can be got over by

> following the prayers etc prescribed by Parasara, even curses can

be

> got over but Sarpa, kala Sarpa etc yogas and other such terrible

> things which grasp a man and inflict terrible wounds in this Kali

> Yuga..where is the remedy given by Parasara or the seers. There is

no

> simple remedy. All those kala sarpa poojas I have read are

> useless...there is just one answer - surrender -give up - you

cannot

> win against this overwhelming karma.

> >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> > Yours truly,

> > Sanjay Rath

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> >

> >

> > Rao Nemani [raonemani]

> > Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:52 AM

> > Vedic Astrology Group

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Vedic Astrology and Remedies...

Some

> > thoughts...

> >

> >

> > Dear Guru's and Learned Members,

> >

> > Namste,

> >

> > While reading Rajesh Kumaria's message few times,( he

> > is one of my best Jyotish associates for about 6

> > months now and inspired me a lot to learn).

> > I am seeing there is pain, lack of faith (which must

> > have come after following some remedies suggested by

> > some one and did not work) either his case or his

> > friend or family member's case. If any one has read

> > the archives, who will know Rajesh's involvement and

> > contributions since year 2000, becuase I am reading

> > each and every message in the archives, hence I have

> > noticed him.

> >

> > My sincere request to All guru's to ask Rajesh, what

> > was the problem of the native he is referring to and

> > what are the remedies have been taken so far, and what

> > was the results of those measure/remedies.

> >

> > Basically, what I am saying here is let us take up

> > this particular case (with the help of Rajesh ofcouse)

> > and take an inventory check and find out why he is

> > saying like this in his original message.

> >

> > Trust me, Guru's, I know Rajesh very well and his

> > knowledge level in Vedic Astrology. He is certainly

> > disappointed with our system. I am not blaming the

> > Vedic Astrology principles and system, because, I

> > belive them without any question.

> > But for some reasons, in his case or his family or

> > fried's case the sytem did not work. Which means,

> > loss of faith, which means, this will happen to me or

> > you or some one else in the future. So there is an

> > urgent need to restore the faith in our system and

> > principles. Please do not take me wrong here, I am

> > playing a catalyst role here to connect two points

> > together.

> >

> > My humble request to All Guru's to take a lead and ask

> > him what what the problem for that native, and try to

> > resolve the problem.

> >

> > As you know, I do not have the necessary command in

> > Jyotish yet, otherwise I would have already lead this

> > dicussion by now. Please, clear the

> > mis-understanding, misconceptions of Vedic Astrology

> > capabilities and principles.

> >

> > Please forgive me for this message, but I thought

> > being a member of SJC, it is my duty to bring my

> > thoughts on the subject in hand, so that I can proudly

> > tell these good things to my grandchildren.

> >

> > I look forward for one of you to lead and resolve

> > this.

> >

> > A sincere student of Vedic Astrolgy

> > Rao Neamani

> >

> >

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> > "Rajesh Mohan Kumaria"

> > <rajeshkumaria2000>

> > Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:38 pm

> > Vedic Astrology and Remedies... Some

> > thoughts...

> >

> >

> > Respected members and Gurus,

> >

> > Here's what I found from my sofar astrological

> > experience ( 5 plus

> > years)

> > With all due regards for allWhile various

> > astrological combinations

> > of various Chakras and Dasa systems are really helpful

> > to get some

> > deep insights into the future, yet the remedies fail

> > completely when

> > applied in relation to financial problems, career

> > problems, health

> > issues etc., All that the remedies(Gemstones and

> > chanting of mantras)

> > do is to provide some peace of mind and confidence

> > only. Nothing

> > desired//useful happens in financial/career/health

> > related

> > dimensions, unless and until the malefic and offensive

> > periods are

> > over completely.

> >

> > The logic is really simple: Can one chant

> > 40000/100,000 mantras and

> > change one its destiny? Will the concerned evil

> > planets be controlled

> > by the God/Devatas to whom you are praying? what is a

> > sufficient

> > number for chanting mantras so that the Divine

> > Providence can be

> > altered by the concerned God/Devata in th favor of the

> > native? Does

> > the God/Devata ,to whom one is praying, has the

> > authority to change

> > the divine providence ? Well even various avataras of

> > Lord Vishnu had

> > to go through tough times until they achieved

> > victories, so how come

> > the processes will become simpler by chanting all

> > these mantras in

> > Kaliyuga? There is no harm in chanting mantras since

> > they provide

> > mental peace to some extent, if nothing else.

> >

> > So asking for remedies and thinking that they will

> > change the status-

> > quo immediately is like child type desire and nothing

> > more/nothing

> > less. Its like asking for the Best of the World in a

> > minute etc.,

> > Say for example one is passing through very bad time

> > financially,

> > then all he/she can do is to wear some gemstones and

> > keep chanting

> > thousands of mantras for years/until the bad time is

> > over, while

> > expenses continue to drain the native's savings. Its

> > like traveling

> > in a luxury car until the bad time is over, while the

> > house and bed

> > are sold in the process. Ofcourse by the end of bad

> > time, some

> > efforts of the native will work and astrologer can

> > claim proudly that

> > the remedy was successful and there will be no need to

> > mention the

> > price paid by the native. Only the native knows the

> > truth and then

> > the native will have to work hard to make up all the

> > lost money, if

> > that can ever be recovered even in a life time in most

> > cases, and

> > life goes on and further on..This is the pathetic

> > state of vedic

> > astrology remedies.no wonder the remedies are giving

> > a bad name to

> > the vedic astrology science/jyotish itself or may be

> > the remediess

> > are not meant for KALIYUGA at all...may be we all lack

> > the desired

> > parameters and qualities to make them work...

> >

> >

> > YES Astrology works as there is gradual transformation

> > of events from

> > malefic state of affairs to benefic state of affairs

> > with the passage

> > of time and efforts as the bad periods come to an

> > endso definitely

> > VEDIC ASTROLOGY WORKS, but the remedies move at a

> > turtle's speed.

> >

> > One may agree with me or may not agree

> > the truth does not change either due to my desires nor

> > due to these

> > remedies.they never workno harm in keep trying keep

> > chanting

> > mantras>>>>something is better than nothing stylewho

> > knows some day

> > the gods/devatas wake up and listen

> >

> >

> > Divine Providence cannot be altered by us. No offence

> > intended (so

> > please do not send me any hate mail etc). I am not

> > sure whether I

> > will be able to reply to any mails thesedays(also i

> > have no other

> > thoughts on this issue), so please excuse me and you

> > can continue

> > your discussions on this topic,if desired

> >

> > Thanks and Regards.

> > Rajesh Kumaria.

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Dear Narasimha and Sanjay,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

I would like to tell of my story with Balaji, to add to the faith one must

develop in Him. I went to see BALAJI in March 1999 together with a friend.

We didn't go all the way up the stairs, because we went with a bus company

from Chennai, where we were staying in the ISKCON temple. On the day we

went to see BALAJI it was just His vivaha-ceremony, and so we got to see

the utsava murti on the swing (gold or silver?) and after on a procession

around the temple courtyard. On that day, having a desire to marry, I

prayed to BALAJI, and vowed to chant 64 rounds of Hare Krsna japa that

day. At the time of darshan I had already 44 rounds which I chanted during

waiting in line for 6 hours, so it was not difficult for me. I was

completely in ecstacy, tasting 2 huge laddus of maha-prasadam and bought

some tapes with music from the temple.

 

6 months later my marriage was being arranged by my local temple

authorities. Sri Balaji fulfills ALL desires, this I confirm...

 

SRI BALAJI ki Jay!

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotisha

http://www.radhadesh.com

[Guest guest]

( I was initially thinking about not giving any reply, but so much

response forced me to acknowledge all this..)

 

Respected Gurus and learned members,

 

1. I sincerely appreciate the efforts of Shri Rao Nemani, who forced

everyone to focus on vedic astrology remedies and related issues. I

also appreciate the time and efforts of Shri Sanjay Rath, Shri PVR

Narasimha Rao, Shri Chandershekharji, Shri Sanjay Prabhakaran (for

that motivating detailed story on Lord Vasudeva's sons) and all

others who participated in these discussions. Somehow the discussions

became a focus on Sarpa Dosha/ Kala-Sarpa Yoga , which is another

interesting development. Just Like Shri Rath has said, I have

ultimately left everything(all my financial probelms , demoralization

by chanting thousands of mantras etc., ) to Lord Vishnu and so If I

am still around the net in next few years(2004-2006) then I will let

you know the effects/relief etc., if any.

 

I will also try to follow the instructions of Shri PVR Narasimha Rao

regarding next year's puja and pray to Lord Karthikeya and Lord

SadaShiva. I thank him for his time and efforts.

 

2. Although the effects of Sarpa Dosha are visible to some extent in

my life also, yet I do not believe much in this yoga. Rather say, I

acknowledge it and yet I am not going to become affected by such a

yoga. I have Mars and Rahu in 7th house (leo) and Ketu in Lagna

(Aquarius). Also Venus is in Taurus in a kendra. Actually I am much

impressed by Parasara Rishi's predictions regarding Saturn/Mercury

period when Saturn and Mercury are in 6th/8th position from each

other, " If Mercury is placed at the 6th, 8th or the 12th house from

the Ascendant or the lord of the Mahadasa or combust or associated

with Sun, Mars , rahu, in the beginning of the Antardasa there will

be coronation acquisition of wealth; administrator ship of the

country or village. In the middle and end of the dasa, it will cause

distress due to diseases, hurdles in the success of every pursuit,

anxiety and tremendous amount of frightfulness." Needless to say

that this particular dictum applies perfectly to me, the period is

still continuing with all its devastations of all types for last 2

years. So may be there is no remedy for such a period , except

leaving everything to Lord Vishnu ( I am no longer sure if my mantra

chants are reaching the higher heavens, but I am still chanting ,

since there is nothing much else I can do, as far as the remedy is

concerned or just wait for the period to be over..)

 

 

3. One last point: Shri Prabhakaran has said :" The Pundits knowing

the ancient lore say that there are three kinds of Karma mentioned in

the Puraanan and Aagama :- First Sanchita Karma ( Summation of all

karma done in past) ; The Praarabda Karma, the

Karma already done ( That part of Sanchita which is ready to fructify

or fructifing); and the Vartmana Karma (Karma in hand, being

performed anew),The Karma, auspicious and inauspicious, done in many

previous lives

and preserved in seed forms, remains always inherent in a human

soul."….

 

….. " The Praarabda Karma, (those acts out of all the previous acts

done in previous births that are fully mature and ready to yield

their

fruits) cannot be averted; their effects must have to be experienced

and then they can die away; they cannot be expitiated by penances or

any othe remedial measures."

 

So ultimately most of the karmas (sanchita and praarabda) are

uncontrollable and since vedic astrology is based on past birth

karma, so the remedies are more or less useless in tough periods. So

more or less Gems and Mantras can just strengthen some weak planets,

but malefic offensive periods cannot be controlled so easily.

 

I think everyone has mostly agreed/verified my original thoughts, so

this topic ends here(from my side), while my journey in the "luxury

car" continues while the banks take care/control of the house, bed

etc., OM NAMO SHIVAY. GOD BLESS ALL AND GOOD LUCK TO ALL. OM GURAVE

NAMAH.

 

(Humorously speaking we all have to face our punishments, failures,

rewards etc, as the sadhus say in India "Alakh Niranjan, Jo Deh us ka

bhi bhalla Jo Na Deh us ka bhi bhalla"… For those who do not know

hindi, it translates something like this … The Saint says " There are

a hundred thousand Gods. God bless those who give me food and money

and God also bless those who do not give me food and money"…)

 

Thanks and Regards

Rajesh Kumaria