Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 |brihaspatim varenyam| Dear Amol Mandar, The correct pronunciation is dattaatreya. He is the second son of Atri muni and Anuseya and is the Avadhuta Brahmana referred to in the Bhagavatam by Sri Krishna Canto 11 while teaching Uddhava about the meaning of Guru. Go may mean many things, but evey word has a 'devata' that illumines the mind, and here Go refers to cows as in Taurus which is the place where the cows come home. Life revolved around them and Taurus represents the family as the second house of the natural zodiac. Moon represents cows and its moolatrikona (office) is in Taurus. It is here that the cows are milked and the family is sustained. Go-kula refers to a conglomeration of houses like a family around a Go-shaala (cow-shed) where people used to live together and feel protected (trai) and safe from the wilderness outside. They were identified as a Go-tra. The word trai comes from the fact that the cow-dung + water etc used to plaster the earthern floor is the ONLY guarantee that the snakes will not come inside. Snakes keep away from (1) cowdung and (2) bamboo. The latter was used as the danda of the Guru... You are right about the Radheya, that is why it is Atreya and not atraya. Dattaatreya..with an 'e'. My views only... ~ om tat sat ~ Yours truly, Sanjay Rath --------------------------- H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com <http://srath.com> --------------------------- amolmandar [amolmandar] Monday, June 09, 2003 8:22 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Dasavatara Stotra-to Sanjayji Dear Gordan You may be right in suggesting the meaning of the word Gotra but 'Go' is not Cow only in Sanskrit. It as well means Indriya or Pran. Now when deciding the meaning of a word we have to very careful about correct specification of the word. By simply saying that Go is always cow the use of Gotra can not be explained. We explain Sarvatra/Anyatra as Sarv+atra and Anya+atra. Here we can not take Anya+Tra as protector of Anya(Some one else). It expalins related to something else with atra. Same is the case with Sarvatra. Again, with Dattatraya,it is difficult to understand why the name of the rishi be associated with name of a person. It can be as father but Atraya itself should express son of Atri. As Kounteya to mean son of Kunti (Arjun) and RAdheya to mean son of Radha (Karna). It is this qualification which is sufficient and not the double as ArjunKounteya or KarnaRaheya. If we accept your way of semantics,still question remains why not to describe Durvasa with the name of Atri. We write Soma-atreya,Datta-atreya,Rath-atreya then logically it should be with Durvas-atraya. I dont understand why to get into plural form when it explains as a complete word. I think we get as plural only when some singular is to be described as plural. Refer to any standard dictionary and you will find Traya as a valid word with out h associated with it. I am neither a expert of Sanskrit nor the Jyotish.It is just a spontaneous thought process that is manifested here. But I think it is worth considering. May be your right, may be not! Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMandar vedic astrology, GWBrennan@a... wrote: > Dear Amolmandar > > I am following this interesting discussion about these meanings. I can not > contribute a lot really to the list, but I do follow what is going on with much > interest. About these words - > Vamsha (or vansha) - bamboo - fine. In fact it is supposed to be from the > resemblance to the development of the joints in bamboo - as the bamboo grows > each of its sections, and is a general term for lineage. The specific meanings > attached are a social development. > > You need to take care with the other attemps at explaining the meanings you > have suggested - gotra is not go + atra - you can not add an addional 'a' from > nowhere to achieve the meaning you are interested to find. Go (cow) + tra - > from root trai to cross (protector - i.e. one who enables another to cross over > an obstacle and referring ultimately to Krishna) with original meaning simply > of cowshed, cowherd or the like. > > Dattatraya is not Datta + traya, it is datta + atraya (dattaatraya in > pronunciation), and > Atraya should refer to the sage Atri. However that word (which I think could > only be Atrayah - a plural form) would have a very specific usage - Dattaatri > refers to a thunderbolt (ref. Vayupurana) It has a long vowel, not a short > one and the word for the sage is Dattaatreya (Datta + Aatreya), the additional > change from 'a' to 'e' signifying a descent from the original sage Atri. If > the meaning of traya was three then it would be spelt trayah, there is no form > traya as far as I know. > Unless you know of a use of Datta + trayah I do not think your meaning could > be possible. > Regards > Gordon Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 10062003 Respected Sanjayji It was satisfying to read your post. But my little brain still ticks with some questions. I hope you wont consider this otherwise. If you feel that my doubts are not worthy please excuse me for my misdirected efforts. I understand that correct pronunciation is dattaatreya.It is Datta+Atreya.Atreya means son of Atri. Why to write name in that case with the Atreya? Atreya itself should qualify son of atri. As in my previous mail,we dont write ArjunKaunteya or KarnaRadheya. It is not correct to write both qualifiers. Radheya alone qualifies Karna or Kaunteya alone qualifies Ajun. Moreover, whenever we see at Datta we see three heads (Brahma+Vishnu+Mahesh) so can we not assume Traya to be more correct than treya? Brahma+Vishnu+Mahesh together many times reffered as Trayee. That exactly what Datta manifested to MAta Anusuya according to Gurucharitra. cow-shed for the protection of society were there but the context does not gothrough with this. Again, question ariese when which meaning of the word should be taken? If it is not the context then it would be interesting to attach semantics to the composite words like GoSwami or GoWardhan. The meaning of Gotra was told to me by my Purohit at the time of my Upanayan Sanskar. Before, giving the Danda with DandaDharan Mantra. He as well told me to remember true meaning of the words he taught me at that time.One of them was Gotra. Today also I remember that "Adamtam Damyitva Mam Marge Sanstapyanswayam | Danda: kare Sthito Yasmatsmadraksha yato Bhayam||" After that he gave me some spiritual discourses in a separate room. I did not understand much then but that day onwards i developed the habit of going to correct roots of the things to the satisfaction of my mind. I hope you will as well give me the Danda with the same Mantra! I am eager to read about Rath as fourth son of Atri & MAta Anusuya. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMandar vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> wrote: > > |brihaspatim varenyam| > Dear Amol Mandar, > The correct pronunciation is dattaatreya. He is the second son of Atri muni > and Anuseya and is the Avadhuta Brahmana referred to in the Bhagavatam by > Sri Krishna Canto 11 while teaching Uddhava about the meaning of Guru. > Go may mean many things, but evey word has a 'devata' that illumines the > mind, and here Go refers to cows as in Taurus which is the place where the > cows come home. Life revolved around them and Taurus represents the family > as the second house of the natural zodiac. Moon represents cows and its > moolatrikona (office) is in Taurus. It is here that the cows are milked and > the family is sustained. Go-kula refers to a conglomeration of houses like a > family around a Go-shaala (cow-shed) where people used to live together and > feel protected (trai) and safe from the wilderness outside. They were > identified as a Go-tra. The word trai comes from the fact that the cow-dung > + water etc used to plaster the earthern floor is the ONLY guarantee that > the snakes will not come inside. Snakes keep away from (1) cowdung and (2) > bamboo. The latter was used as the danda of the Guru... > > You are right about the Radheya, that is why it is Atreya and not atraya. > Dattaatreya..with an 'e'. > My views only... > ~ om tat sat ~ > Yours truly, > Sanjay Rath > --------------------------- > H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India > +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com <http://srath.com> > --------------------------- > > > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > Monday, June 09, 2003 8:22 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Dasavatara Stotra-to Sanjayji > > > Dear Gordan > > You may be right in suggesting the meaning of the word Gotra but 'Go' > is not Cow only in Sanskrit. It as well means Indriya or Pran. Now > when deciding the meaning of a word we have to very careful about > correct specification of the word. By simply saying that Go is always > cow the use of Gotra can not be explained. > > We explain Sarvatra/Anyatra as Sarv+atra and Anya+atra. Here we can > not take Anya+Tra as protector of Anya(Some one else). It expalins > related to something else with atra. Same is the case with Sarvatra. > > Again, with Dattatraya,it is difficult to understand why the name of > the rishi be associated with name of a person. It can be as father > but Atraya itself should express son of Atri. As Kounteya to mean son > of Kunti (Arjun) and RAdheya to mean son of Radha (Karna). It is this > qualification which is sufficient and not the double as ArjunKounteya > or KarnaRaheya. If we accept your way of semantics,still question > remains why not to describe Durvasa with the name of Atri. We write > Soma-atreya,Datta-atreya,Rath-atreya then logically it should be with > Durvas-atraya. > > I dont understand why to get into plural form when it explains as a > complete word. I think we get as plural only when some singular is to > be described as plural. Refer to any standard dictionary and you will > find Traya as a valid word with out h associated with it. > > I am neither a expert of Sanskrit nor the Jyotish.It is just a > spontaneous thought process that is manifested here. But I think it > is worth considering. May be your right, may be not! > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > AmolMandar > > > vedic astrology, GWBrennan@a... wrote: > > Dear Amolmandar > > > > I am following this interesting discussion about these meanings. I > can not > > contribute a lot really to the list, but I do follow what is going > on with much > > interest. About these words - > > Vamsha (or vansha) - bamboo - fine. In fact it is supposed to be > from the > > resemblance to the development of the joints in bamboo - as the > bamboo grows > > each of its sections, and is a general term for lineage. The > specific meanings > > attached are a social development. > > > > You need to take care with the other attemps at explaining the > meanings you > > have suggested - gotra is not go + atra - you can not add an > addional 'a' from > > nowhere to achieve the meaning you are interested to find. Go > (cow) + tra - > > from root trai to cross (protector - i.e. one who enables another > to cross over > > an obstacle and referring ultimately to Krishna) with original > meaning simply > > of cowshed, cowherd or the like. > > > > Dattatraya is not Datta + traya, it is datta + atraya (dattaatraya > in > > pronunciation), and > > Atraya should refer to the sage Atri. However that word (which I > think could > > only be Atrayah - a plural form) would have a very specific usage - > Dattaatri > > refers to a thunderbolt (ref. Vayupurana) It has a long vowel, not > a short > > one and the word for the sage is Dattaatreya (Datta + Aatreya), the > additional > > change from 'a' to 'e' signifying a descent from the original sage > Atri. If > > the meaning of traya was three then it would be spelt trayah, there > is no form > > traya as far as I know. > > Unless you know of a use of Datta + trayah I do not think your > meaning could > > be possible. > > Regards > > Gordon > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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