Public Figures( Are our priorities right?)

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

Cricket/Football and such hi-fi games have generated A new Gambling culture.

Billions change hands. Sportspersons play games without the spirit of

competing .

We spend hours and days discussing their lives and performances. And they ?

what do they do ?

They run laughing all the way to their banks.

 

We, the astrologers discuss them and other public figures like meeting of

crows on an electric pole.

We keep discussing on and on and on.

 

Do such sportsmen bless you for making predictions?

Does it help your Spiritual being residing within you?

 

Would it not be better if we take issues like Marrige time predictions for

unmarried girls who spent every day of their spinsterhood crying silent

tears of frustrationsand cursing their fate ?

 

Would it not be better if we predict time when a qualified person will get a

job , when , inspite having good qualities his or her remaining jobless for

a long time spending every hour of unemployment in sheer helplessness, shame

and unable to meet the hopes of their aged parents ??

 

Would it not be better if we discuss birth of an offspring in the lives of

childless couples who spend every moment of lonliness aimlessly, with every

passing moment craving for the sound of small feet running in their homes

???

 

Why not we take a fresh look at priorities and think of something that will

make blessings flow ? And also enrich us with knowlede gained thro' MANTHANA

?

 

Why not take up such cases of denial of happiness to suffering people and

discuss in this forum and arrive at predictions based on principles that

have passed test of time?

 

So shall we take up this suggestion? (not a challenge).

 

Sorry if I have hurt any friend.

 

Rgds

 

Vidyut Bhatt

 

 

 

>"arunuthayan" <arunuthayan

>vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Discussing Public Figures

>Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:40:59 -0000

>

>

>Dear All,

>

>On reading some of the recent postings, I wonder if there are moral

>and ethical issues at stake, while discussing public figures, who are

>living, without their express consent. When the time of birth is

>rectified (and if it is very accurate), the public figure stands

>almost "naked" in public eye.

>

>Loving regards,

>Arun

>

>"Anantovai Vedah"

>

 

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Hello Vidyut:

 

Very well said (about unmarried girls and child-less couples).

 

However, my question to you and especially to the GURUS is that even

if we/GURUS make predictions for individuals who're having a tough

time in life, will this prediction change their fate????

 

If one is destined to suffer, one will HAVE to suffer--with or

without a prediction.

 

Also, us mortals have are driven by strong karmic forces inherited

from our prior lives and NO MATTER how hard we try, our karmic forces

compell us to commit certain karmas, bad as well as good. -- I'll

give you my own example--Sanjay Rath told me to give up drinking

alcohol to apease Saturn in my 5th house in Pisces, I tried giving up

alcohol, but I just wasn't able to. I continue drinking as strong

karmic forces drive me towards the bottle every evening.

 

Having established that strong karmic forces inherited from our prior

lives drive our current life, what good will the prediction do for an

individual???? If the prediction is GOOD, the individual will

temporarily feel GOOD and if the prediction is BAD, the individual

will feel sad and depressed.

 

Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

this board, had made a prediction for Jeffery Dahmer and told Dahmer

that there is doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's

prediction, would Dahmer have given up raping and killing and eating

innocent men? NO, the karmic forces would have compelled Dahmer to

committ the bad karma.

 

Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

this board, had made a prediction for Timothy Mcveigh,the fellow who

blew up the Federal building in Arkansas and told him that there is

doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's prediction, would

Mcveigh have NOT BLOWN UP THE FEDERAL BUILDING AND MURDERED HUNDREDS

OF INNOCENT PEOPLE INCLUDING CHILDREN? NO, the karmic forces would

have compelled Mcveigh to committ his bad karma.

 

Does a Jyotish prediction changes one's fate??? NO, a big fat NO.

 

Do Jyothis remedies change one's fate???? NO, does walking around

with a huge planetary gemstone on one's finger change one's

destiny????? NO.

 

Or sitting before a picture of a Hindu God or a Christian Crucifix or

the Jewish Torah and chanting mantras change one's destiny???? NO.

 

Only GOOD karma in the current life washes off the bad karma from the

current life as well as whatever bad karma is inherited from prior

life and POSSIBLY gives a good easy life in the next birth.

 

Good karma towards our fellow beings (humans and animals) is the key

to salvation--Lord Krishna said this and I quote it. Jesus in a

roundabout way said it and I quote it. I don't know much about

Judaism and Islam, but I'm sure these religions have prescribed a

righteious life.

 

The rest (gemstones, kavachs, mantras, tantras, poojas, talismans

etc.) are a big heap of crap invented by greedy pundits, priests and

astrologers as money-making tools.

 

Mukund

 

 

vedic astrology, "vidyut Bhatt"

<vidyut_Bhatt@h...> wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Cricket/Football and such hi-fi games have generated A new Gambling

culture.

> Billions change hands. Sportspersons play games without the spirit

of

> competing .

> We spend hours and days discussing their lives and performances.

And they ?

> what do they do ?

> They run laughing all the way to their banks.

>

> We, the astrologers discuss them and other public figures like

meeting of

> crows on an electric pole.

> We keep discussing on and on and on.

>

> Do such sportsmen bless you for making predictions?

> Does it help your Spiritual being residing within you?

>

> Would it not be better if we take issues like Marrige time

predictions for

> unmarried girls who spent every day of their spinsterhood crying

silent

> tears of frustrationsand cursing their fate ?

>

> Would it not be better if we predict time when a qualified person

will get a

> job , when , inspite having good qualities his or her remaining

jobless for

> a long time spending every hour of unemployment in sheer

helplessness, shame

> and unable to meet the hopes of their aged parents ??

>

> Would it not be better if we discuss birth of an offspring in the

lives of

> childless couples who spend every moment of lonliness aimlessly,

with every

> passing moment craving for the sound of small feet running in their

homes

> ???

>

> Why not we take a fresh look at priorities and think of something

that will

> make blessings flow ? And also enrich us with knowlede gained thro'

MANTHANA

> ?

>

> Why not take up such cases of denial of happiness to suffering

people and

> discuss in this forum and arrive at predictions based on principles

that

> have passed test of time?

>

> So shall we take up this suggestion? (not a challenge).

>

> Sorry if I have hurt any friend.

>

> Rgds

>

> Vidyut Bhatt

>

>

>

> >"arunuthayan" <arunuthayan>

> >vedic astrology

> >[vedic astrology] Discussing Public Figures

> >Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:40:59 -0000

> >

> >

> >Dear All,

> >

> >On reading some of the recent postings, I wonder if there are moral

> >and ethical issues at stake, while discussing public figures, who

are

> >living, without their express consent. When the time of birth is

> >rectified (and if it is very accurate), the public figure stands

> >almost "naked" in public eye.

> >

> >Loving regards,

> >Arun

> >

> >"Anantovai Vedah"

> >

>

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Dear shri Mukund & shri vidyut

 

I think the public life of celebrities are transparent and hence the

astrologer can experiment on them.Because unfortunately, sachin

tendulkar cannot lie that he didnt make a double century in

sydney.But the other clients may hide certain areas.Thus celebrities

are potential labs for the astrologers.Regarding the gratefulness of

celebrities i am with shri vidyut and yourself.Once we learn the

techniques we should ignore these celebrities:-).

 

Priority should be ofcourse to help the needy.Whether it will work

or not is another thing.Sincere predictions can also be similar to a

karma without thinking about the karmaphala.

 

There is always a ray of hope and the tunnel has to end.

 

All the best

Pradeep

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello Vidyut:

>

> Very well said (about unmarried girls and child-less couples).

>

> However, my question to you and especially to the GURUS is that

even

> if we/GURUS make predictions for individuals who're having a tough

> time in life, will this prediction change their fate????

>

> If one is destined to suffer, one will HAVE to suffer--with or

> without a prediction.

>

> Also, us mortals have are driven by strong karmic forces inherited

> from our prior lives and NO MATTER how hard we try, our karmic

forces

> compell us to commit certain karmas, bad as well as good. -- I'll

> give you my own example--Sanjay Rath told me to give up drinking

> alcohol to apease Saturn in my 5th house in Pisces, I tried giving

up

> alcohol, but I just wasn't able to. I continue drinking as strong

> karmic forces drive me towards the bottle every evening.

>

> Having established that strong karmic forces inherited from our

prior

> lives drive our current life, what good will the prediction do for

an

> individual???? If the prediction is GOOD, the individual will

> temporarily feel GOOD and if the prediction is BAD, the individual

> will feel sad and depressed.

>

> Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

> this board, had made a prediction for Jeffery Dahmer and told

Dahmer

> that there is doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's

> prediction, would Dahmer have given up raping and killing and

eating

> innocent men? NO, the karmic forces would have compelled Dahmer to

> committ the bad karma.

>

> Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

> this board, had made a prediction for Timothy Mcveigh,the fellow

who

> blew up the Federal building in Arkansas and told him that there

is

> doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's prediction,

would

> Mcveigh have NOT BLOWN UP THE FEDERAL BUILDING AND MURDERED

HUNDREDS

> OF INNOCENT PEOPLE INCLUDING CHILDREN? NO, the karmic forces would

> have compelled Mcveigh to committ his bad karma.

>

> Does a Jyotish prediction changes one's fate??? NO, a big fat NO.

>

> Do Jyothis remedies change one's fate???? NO, does walking around

> with a huge planetary gemstone on one's finger change one's

> destiny????? NO.

>

> Or sitting before a picture of a Hindu God or a Christian Crucifix

or

> the Jewish Torah and chanting mantras change one's destiny???? NO.

>

> Only GOOD karma in the current life washes off the bad karma from

the

> current life as well as whatever bad karma is inherited from prior

> life and POSSIBLY gives a good easy life in the next birth.

>

> Good karma towards our fellow beings (humans and animals) is the

key

> to salvation--Lord Krishna said this and I quote it. Jesus in a

> roundabout way said it and I quote it. I don't know much about

> Judaism and Islam, but I'm sure these religions have prescribed a

> righteious life.

>

> The rest (gemstones, kavachs, mantras, tantras, poojas, talismans

> etc.) are a big heap of crap invented by greedy pundits, priests

and

> astrologers as money-making tools.

>

> Mukund

>

>

> vedic astrology, "vidyut Bhatt"

> <vidyut_Bhatt@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > Cricket/Football and such hi-fi games have generated A new

Gambling

> culture.

> > Billions change hands. Sportspersons play games without the

spirit

> of

> > competing .

> > We spend hours and days discussing their lives and performances.

> And they ?

> > what do they do ?

> > They run laughing all the way to their banks.

> >

> > We, the astrologers discuss them and other public figures like

> meeting of

> > crows on an electric pole.

> > We keep discussing on and on and on.

> >

> > Do such sportsmen bless you for making predictions?

> > Does it help your Spiritual being residing within you?

> >

> > Would it not be better if we take issues like Marrige time

> predictions for

> > unmarried girls who spent every day of their spinsterhood crying

> silent

> > tears of frustrationsand cursing their fate ?

> >

> > Would it not be better if we predict time when a qualified

person

> will get a

> > job , when , inspite having good qualities his or her remaining

> jobless for

> > a long time spending every hour of unemployment in sheer

> helplessness, shame

> > and unable to meet the hopes of their aged parents ??

> >

> > Would it not be better if we discuss birth of an offspring in

the

> lives of

> > childless couples who spend every moment of lonliness aimlessly,

> with every

> > passing moment craving for the sound of small feet running in

their

> homes

> > ???

> >

> > Why not we take a fresh look at priorities and think of

something

> that will

> > make blessings flow ? And also enrich us with knowlede gained

thro'

> MANTHANA

> > ?

> >

> > Why not take up such cases of denial of happiness to suffering

> people and

> > discuss in this forum and arrive at predictions based on

principles

> that

> > have passed test of time?

> >

> > So shall we take up this suggestion? (not a challenge).

> >

> > Sorry if I have hurt any friend.

> >

> > Rgds

> >

> > Vidyut Bhatt

> >

> >

> >

> > >"arunuthayan" <arunuthayan>

> > >vedic astrology

> > >[vedic astrology] Discussing Public Figures

> > >Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:40:59 -0000

> > >

> > >

> > >Dear All,

> > >

> > >On reading some of the recent postings, I wonder if there are

moral

> > >and ethical issues at stake, while discussing public figures,

who

> are

> > >living, without their express consent. When the time of birth is

> > >rectified (and if it is very accurate), the public figure stands

> > >almost "naked" in public eye.

> > >

> > >Loving regards,

> > >Arun

> > >

> > >"Anantovai Vedah"

> > >

> >

> > _______________

> > Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access —

> limited

> > time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

[Guest guest]

> will this prediction change their fate????

 

It depends on the astrologer. A reading done for me in 1997 has certainly

changed my faith.

The astrologer told me to continue astrology because he said I had the

ability to become a good astrologer. And so I decided to study, even though

there were so many other things I was interested in.

He warned me of serious health weakness during my Sun dasha, and so I have

purposefully avoided visiting India, even though otherwise I would certainly

have gone there these past years.

 

> If one is destined to suffer, one will HAVE to suffer--with or without a

prediction.

 

An astrologer should not be too rigid with his predictions. There were two

ways my present time could manifest: being sick (liver problems) and being

an enthusiastic astrology student (both possible outcomes of Jupiter tightly

conjunct Sun in the 8th house aspected by Saturn). I decided to dovetail all

that 8th house and Saturn energy for studying astrology, and I'm indeed

extremely healthy. Yes, this was my fate, but the astrologer was

INSTRUMENTAL. Meditate on that word for some time. An astrologer can be

instrumental in manifesting a person's good karma.

 

> I tried giving up alcohol, but I just wasn't able to. I continue drinking

as strong karmic forces drive me towards the bottle every evening.

 

NEVER blame the grahas for your own bad habits. It is your decision right

now, today, or this evening in your case, to destroy some brain cells. It

has nothing to do with your past life. What utter nonsense! Here's my

suggestion: find a positive way in which Saturn in the 5th in Pisces MAY

ALSO MANIFEST. Replace your drinking with that positive activity, and see

what happens. Never forget that the stars are a reflection of your reality,

not the other way around. Things that happen to you may be reactions from

past lives, but things you do are not. "O help, there goes that bottle to my

lips again. Poor me."

 

As far as alcohol is concerned, Ketu, Neptune, Pisces and the 12th house

represent such intoxicative substances. And as you may know they all have

spiritual qualities too. So engage yourself in spirituality and get

professional help. Buy glutamine, l-tryptophane, vitamin B5 and chant the

holy names of God. Read about the divine intoxication of Sri Caitanta

Mahaprabhu in Krsnadasa Kaviraja Goswami's Sri Caitanya-caritamrta. Or read

about the deliverance of the two alcoholics Jagai and Madhai, in

Caitanya-Bhagavata of Srila Vrindavandasa Thakura, the Vyasa of

Caitanya-lila. Haribol! Haribol! Gaurahari! Gaurahari!

 

> If the prediction is GOOD, the individual will

temporarily feel GOOD and if the prediction is BAD, the individual

will feel sad and depressed.

 

Perhaps some astrologers are too much concerned with giving predictions,

rather than having a therapeutic effect. Especially in India astrologers

tend to be too much concerned with impressing their clients with how

accurately they can predict things. Better to avoid such astrologers.

 

> After reading PVR's prediction, would Mcveigh have

 

What if, what if... It was their fate that they did not meet an astrologer,

and didn't have faith in it.

 

> Do Jyothis remedies change one's fate???? NO, does walking around

with a huge planetary gemstone on one's finger change one's

destiny????? NO.

 

That is my view as well, but others report good results.

 

> Or sitting before a picture of a Hindu God or a Christian Crucifix or

the Jewish Torah and chanting mantras change one's destiny???? NO.

 

No, but it's more satisfying than drinking alcohol and spoiling one's

valuable time in this human body.

 

> Good karma towards our fellow beings (humans and animals) is the key

to salvation--Lord Krishna said this and I quote it.

 

Go ahead, quote Him. Please tell us which verse, and quote the original

text. For all I know is that Krishna said to abandon the mundane service of

men (sarva dharman parityajya) and surrender only unto Him (mam ekam saranam

vraja) by thinking of Him, serving Him as His devotee and bowing down before

Him alone (mam mana bhava mad-bhakto mad yaji mam namaskuru).

 

> The rest (gemstones, kavachs, mantras, tantras, poojas, talismans

etc.) are a big heap of crap invented by greedy pundits, priests and

astrologers as money-making tools.

 

Some take advantage of it, yes. But to say all mantras are "invented by

greedy pundits" is ridiculous and most probably offensive to those sages who

channeled these mantras and holy procedures. Even he ancient seer Brighu

Muni recommends yajnas for astrological purposes. Even if these words are

interpolations by greedy astrologers, why protest against the glorification

of God?

 

Bhaja govinda, bhaja govinda, bhaja govinda!

 

Ivar

[Guest guest]

> It depends on the astrologer. A reading done for me in 1997 has certainly

changed my faith.

 

That was a typo (should have been fate), but it's true as well. The

astrologer has given me faith that I could learn astrology, even though in

the beginning it seemed learning astrology was impossible.

 

He also gave me the faith that even though life in the present dasha, Sun in

the 8th, may not be that pleasant (I have to make money, even though I would

rather spend my time chanting, praying and preaching, living the life of a

brahmacari), things will ultimately improve. When you know good times will

come, it makes present difficulties easier to bear. That doesn't change the

circumstances, but certainly the internal experience. So a change of

psychological fate, brought about by the astrologer.

 

In my case the astrologer showed me that in 2007 (Moon dasha) things will

improve, and in 2017 (exalted 9th lord Mars) I'll be actively practicing

spiritual life again, continuing through the long Rahu dasha (in Scorpio,

aspected by 5th lord Jupiter) up to the Jupiter dasha, when it's time to

leave this body behind, most likely in good consciousness.

 

Of course everything was destined to be. My consulting an astrologer at a

certain time, and my future spiritual life as well. Also one can reason that

it was already predestined that someone would buy the proper gem, chant the

proper mantras etc. and thus have positive results from them. It's a great

mystery. As lord Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita: "The intricacies of action

are difficult to understand."

 

Ivar

[Guest guest]

Dear mukundji,

 

Sorry to interfere here. But as I understand from your mail, you believe the

fate/destiny and karmic experiences. Considering these my comments are below

for some of your statements.

 

 

monmuk111 [monmuk111]

Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:00 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Public Figures( Are our priorities right?)

 

Hello Vidyut:

 

Very well said (about unmarried girls and child-less couples).

 

However, my question to you and especially to the GURUS is that even

if we/GURUS make predictions for individuals who're having a tough

time in life, will this prediction change their fate????

 

If one is destined to suffer, one will HAVE to suffer--with or

without a prediction.

 

Also, us mortals have are driven by strong karmic forces inherited

from our prior lives and NO MATTER how hard we try, our karmic forces

compell us to commit certain karmas, bad as well as good. -- I'll

give you my own example--Sanjay Rath told me to give up drinking

alcohol to apease Saturn in my 5th house in Pisces, I tried giving up

alcohol, but I just wasn't able to. I continue drinking as strong

karmic forces drive me towards the bottle every evening.

 

Having established that strong karmic forces inherited from our prior

lives drive our current life, what good will the prediction do for an

individual???? If the prediction is GOOD, the individual will

temporarily feel GOOD and if the prediction is BAD, the individual

will feel sad and depressed.

the predictions are reflection of our future outcome of past karmas (good or

bad).

 

Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

this board, had made a prediction for Jeffery Dahmer and told Dahmer

that there is doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's

prediction, would Dahmer have given up raping and killing and eating

innocent men? NO, the karmic forces would have compelled Dahmer to

committ the bad karma.

 

Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

this board, had made a prediction for Timothy Mcveigh,the fellow who

blew up the Federal building in Arkansas and told him that there is

doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's prediction, would

Mcveigh have NOT BLOWN UP THE FEDERAL BUILDING AND MURDERED HUNDREDS

OF INNOCENT PEOPLE INCLUDING CHILDREN? NO, the karmic forces would

have compelled Mcveigh to committ his bad karma.

 

Does a Jyotish prediction changes one's fate??? NO, a big fat NO.

 

A jyotish can predict the change only when it is the destined.

 

Do Jyothis remedies change one's fate???? NO, does walking around

with a huge planetary gemstone on one's finger change one's

destiny????? NO.

Unless we are destined to wear the gemstone, we will not be doing that.

Hence it is our fate. Now, when we are destined to wear the gemstone it

clearly implies that there will be changes in life whether good or bad

(whatever is our fate).

 

Or sitting before a picture of a Hindu God or a Christian Crucifix or

the Jewish Torah and chanting mantras change one's destiny???? NO.

If it is done with faith we can have atleast peace of mind in this life

atleast. Here again unless we are destined we will not be doing these

things.

 

Only GOOD karma in the current life washes off the bad karma from the

current life as well as whatever bad karma is inherited from prior

life and POSSIBLY gives a good easy life in the next birth.

 

Unless we are destined we may not be in a position to do good karma in any

life (past, present or future). If we are destined for good karma in this

birth leave alone next birth, even this life can be very good.

 

Good karma towards our fellow beings (humans and animals) is the key

to salvation--Lord Krishna said this and I quote it. Jesus in a

roundabout way said it and I quote it. I don't know much about

Judaism and Islam, but I'm sure these religions have prescribed a

righteious life.

 

The rest (gemstones, kavachs, mantras, tantras, poojas, talismans

etc.) are a big heap of crap invented by greedy pundits, priests and

astrologers as money-making tools.

 

Who doesn't want money? If they are making money, it is only from our

destiny. Unless we are destined to loose money to such things, I don't think

they can really make money from us. Hence I don't blame them.

 

Mukund

 

To conclude my point is whatever we doing today, bad or good (including

consulting astrologers, wearing gemstones, chanting mantras, living

spiritual life etc.) are nothing but our own past karmas fructifying in this

life and we are destined for the same.

 

This is my understanding and philosophy and others may differ. Lastly I beg

pardon if I had said anything which hurts your or others feelings.

With regards,

Tvr

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Whoa!! Mukund, your posting would have been amusing if it were not

so obnoxious! First you claim that if you are destined to suffer you

will, and nothing will change that... then you talk about good Karma

that can wash off the accumulated bad karma, which directly

contradicts what you said before about "nothing can change that" ...

and then you go right back to where you started and say that you are

addicted to alcohol since your "karmic forces" drive you to do so!!

 

First make up your mind. If you think you are destined to suffer,

and there is nothing you can do about it, then forget good or bad

karma, you are screwed no matter what, right? If, on the other hand,

you indeed believe that good karma will lead you down the right

path, then take personal responsibility for your actions, and start

doing good karma! (By the way, I pass no judgement on whether you

should stop drinking or not. God knows, I have hundreds of faults of

my own to throw stones at others. My point is, stop trying to shift

blame!!)

 

So, according to all the examples you gave, karmic forces are to

blame for all crimes!! That is the most demeaning theory to mankind

that I've heard. *We have the freedom to make our own choices*. The

planetary forces are influences, just like other influences in our

lives through people, circumstances, whatever. *EVERY* influence and

every thing can be used for good or for bad. Think of fire, that can

be used either for cooking and keeping warm, or for burning down

your neighbor's house. Think of splitting the atom, that gave us

energy to power the computer you are using, as well as the ability

to kill thousands.

 

The greatest benefit of astrology, or of knowledge of any kind, for

that matter, is its use in improving you in some way or the other -

maybe in concrete ways by remedies, maybe by giving you mental

peace, maybe in just knowing that there is help if you need it...

whatever works for you. If you personally don't see any benefit, my

condolences. There are many of us that do. And watch your language.

Hey, especially if you want to do good karma to wash away your bad

karma, dude, that last paragraph in your posting upset enough people

that you've just accumulated plenty of bad karma there!

 

Sincerely,

Venkat

 

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello Vidyut:

>

> Very well said (about unmarried girls and child-less couples).

>

> However, my question to you and especially to the GURUS is that

even

> if we/GURUS make predictions for individuals who're having a tough

> time in life, will this prediction change their fate????

>

> If one is destined to suffer, one will HAVE to suffer--with or

> without a prediction.

>

> Also, us mortals have are driven by strong karmic forces inherited

> from our prior lives and NO MATTER how hard we try, our karmic

forces

> compell us to commit certain karmas, bad as well as good. -- I'll

> give you my own example--Sanjay Rath told me to give up drinking

> alcohol to apease Saturn in my 5th house in Pisces, I tried giving

up

> alcohol, but I just wasn't able to. I continue drinking as strong

> karmic forces drive me towards the bottle every evening.

>

> Having established that strong karmic forces inherited from our

prior

> lives drive our current life, what good will the prediction do for

an

> individual???? If the prediction is GOOD, the individual will

> temporarily feel GOOD and if the prediction is BAD, the individual

> will feel sad and depressed.

>

> Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

> this board, had made a prediction for Jeffery Dahmer and told

Dahmer

> that there is doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's

> prediction, would Dahmer have given up raping and killing and

eating

> innocent men? NO, the karmic forces would have compelled Dahmer to

> committ the bad karma.

>

> Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

> this board, had made a prediction for Timothy Mcveigh,the fellow

who

> blew up the Federal building in Arkansas and told him that there

is

> doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's prediction,

would

> Mcveigh have NOT BLOWN UP THE FEDERAL BUILDING AND MURDERED

HUNDREDS

> OF INNOCENT PEOPLE INCLUDING CHILDREN? NO, the karmic forces would

> have compelled Mcveigh to committ his bad karma.

>

> Does a Jyotish prediction changes one's fate??? NO, a big fat NO.

>

> Do Jyothis remedies change one's fate???? NO, does walking around

> with a huge planetary gemstone on one's finger change one's

> destiny????? NO.

>

> Or sitting before a picture of a Hindu God or a Christian Crucifix

or

> the Jewish Torah and chanting mantras change one's destiny???? NO.

>

> Only GOOD karma in the current life washes off the bad karma from

the

> current life as well as whatever bad karma is inherited from prior

> life and POSSIBLY gives a good easy life in the next birth.

>

> Good karma towards our fellow beings (humans and animals) is the

key

> to salvation--Lord Krishna said this and I quote it. Jesus in a

> roundabout way said it and I quote it. I don't know much about

> Judaism and Islam, but I'm sure these religions have prescribed a

> righteious life.

>

> The rest (gemstones, kavachs, mantras, tantras, poojas, talismans

> etc.) are a big heap of crap invented by greedy pundits, priests

and

> astrologers as money-making tools.

>

> Mukund

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Venkat:

 

You were too busy puncing holes in my note rather than attempting to

understand the jest/central idea of my note.

 

What I'm trying to say is that we're all born with an unchangeable

destiny based on the accumulated balance of Karma from our prior

lives.

 

The Karmic forces (planetary placements in our horoscopes) drive our

karma, both good and bad karma, to take us towards our destiny.

However, if we're able to overcome the strong karmic forces that

compell us to perform BAD karma and instead we're able to perform

GOOD karma, we'll have a better life in the next birth or we may even

be emancipated.

 

I'm hoping you understand me this time--maybe not, as the strong

Karmic forces in your life on Wednesday, January 7th 2004 are

compelleing you to ridicule my sincere note destiny, Karmic forces

and Jyotish remedies.

 

Mukund

 

 

vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> Whoa!! Mukund, your posting would have been amusing if it were not

> so obnoxious! First you claim that if you are destined to suffer

you

> will, and nothing will change that... then you talk about good

Karma

> that can wash off the accumulated bad karma, which directly

> contradicts what you said before about "nothing can change

that" ...

> and then you go right back to where you started and say that you

are

> addicted to alcohol since your "karmic forces" drive you to do so!!

>

> First make up your mind. If you think you are destined to suffer,

> and there is nothing you can do about it, then forget good or bad

> karma, you are screwed no matter what, right? If, on the other

hand,

> you indeed believe that good karma will lead you down the right

> path, then take personal responsibility for your actions, and start

> doing good karma! (By the way, I pass no judgement on whether you

> should stop drinking or not. God knows, I have hundreds of faults

of

> my own to throw stones at others. My point is, stop trying to shift

> blame!!)

>

> So, according to all the examples you gave, karmic forces are to

> blame for all crimes!! That is the most demeaning theory to mankind

> that I've heard. *We have the freedom to make our own choices*. The

> planetary forces are influences, just like other influences in our

> lives through people, circumstances, whatever. *EVERY* influence

and

> every thing can be used for good or for bad. Think of fire, that

can

> be used either for cooking and keeping warm, or for burning down

> your neighbor's house. Think of splitting the atom, that gave us

> energy to power the computer you are using, as well as the ability

> to kill thousands.

>

> The greatest benefit of astrology, or of knowledge of any kind, for

> that matter, is its use in improving you in some way or the other -

> maybe in concrete ways by remedies, maybe by giving you mental

> peace, maybe in just knowing that there is help if you need it...

> whatever works for you. If you personally don't see any benefit, my

> condolences. There are many of us that do. And watch your language.

> Hey, especially if you want to do good karma to wash away your bad

> karma, dude, that last paragraph in your posting upset enough

people

> that you've just accumulated plenty of bad karma there!

>

> Sincerely,

> Venkat

>

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

<monmuk111>

> wrote:

> > Hello Vidyut:

> >

> > Very well said (about unmarried girls and child-less couples).

> >

> > However, my question to you and especially to the GURUS is that

> even

> > if we/GURUS make predictions for individuals who're having a

tough

> > time in life, will this prediction change their fate????

> >

> > If one is destined to suffer, one will HAVE to suffer--with or

> > without a prediction.

> >

> > Also, us mortals have are driven by strong karmic forces

inherited

> > from our prior lives and NO MATTER how hard we try, our karmic

> forces

> > compell us to commit certain karmas, bad as well as good. -- I'll

> > give you my own example--Sanjay Rath told me to give up drinking

> > alcohol to apease Saturn in my 5th house in Pisces, I tried

giving

> up

> > alcohol, but I just wasn't able to. I continue drinking as strong

> > karmic forces drive me towards the bottle every evening.

> >

> > Having established that strong karmic forces inherited from our

> prior

> > lives drive our current life, what good will the prediction do

for

> an

> > individual???? If the prediction is GOOD, the individual will

> > temporarily feel GOOD and if the prediction is BAD, the

individual

> > will feel sad and depressed.

> >

> > Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

> > this board, had made a prediction for Jeffery Dahmer and told

> Dahmer

> > that there is doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's

> > prediction, would Dahmer have given up raping and killing and

> eating

> > innocent men? NO, the karmic forces would have compelled Dahmer

to

> > committ the bad karma.

> >

> > Say for example, PVR Narshimha, the esteemed Jyotish and owner of

> > this board, had made a prediction for Timothy Mcveigh,the fellow

> who

> > blew up the Federal building in Arkansas and told him that there

> is

> > doom and gloom in his future. After reading PVR's prediction,

> would

> > Mcveigh have NOT BLOWN UP THE FEDERAL BUILDING AND MURDERED

> HUNDREDS

> > OF INNOCENT PEOPLE INCLUDING CHILDREN? NO, the karmic forces

would

> > have compelled Mcveigh to committ his bad karma.

> >

> > Does a Jyotish prediction changes one's fate??? NO, a big fat NO.

> >

> > Do Jyothis remedies change one's fate???? NO, does walking around

> > with a huge planetary gemstone on one's finger change one's

> > destiny????? NO.

> >

> > Or sitting before a picture of a Hindu God or a Christian

Crucifix

> or

> > the Jewish Torah and chanting mantras change one's destiny???? NO.

> >

> > Only GOOD karma in the current life washes off the bad karma from

> the

> > current life as well as whatever bad karma is inherited from

prior

> > life and POSSIBLY gives a good easy life in the next birth.

> >

> > Good karma towards our fellow beings (humans and animals) is the

> key

> > to salvation--Lord Krishna said this and I quote it. Jesus in a

> > roundabout way said it and I quote it. I don't know much about

> > Judaism and Islam, but I'm sure these religions have prescribed a

> > righteious life.

> >

> > The rest (gemstones, kavachs, mantras, tantras, poojas, talismans

> > etc.) are a big heap of crap invented by greedy pundits, priests

> and

> > astrologers as money-making tools.

> >

> > Mukund

> >