use of gemnstone for saturn for leo lagna native

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For Lapiz Lazuli silver shd be used .

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "" <gg_0202

wrote:

>

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Mr.Prafulla & Kishoreji,

> When we talk of Saturn's gems, then we include all gems generally

> recommended for improving the results of Saturn, the gems being -

> Neelam(Blue Sapphire),Amethyst,Blue Zircon,Blue Spirel, Lapiz

> Lazuli. Nodoubt gems other than Blue Sapphire is not that much

> sensitive.

> Blue Zircon or Amethyst suits qt naturally, unless there is any

bad

> condition.

> (2)Being a benefic, Saturn is retrograde and situated in Aries,

> Taurus, Leo, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Capricorn signs,

> (3)Being a benefic Saturn is posted in Aries.

> If these conditions satisfy, then a gem for saturn can be

> recommended with precaution.

> In Badarayan samhita, we find Lead to be the metal for Saturn

while

> Satkritya Muktabali says the same, so lead is the perfect metal.

> Gems for Saturn are generally set in a base metal,like Steel or

> Ashtadhatu can be used. However, in the book of Neeraj Lalwani, i

> found that gold can also be used(i dont know why he has talked

about

> gold).I have no idea whether Silver can be used or not.

> Wish you all Success,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Prafulla Gang"

> <ripra_solutions@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gaurav

> >

> > I read the article.

> >

> > Yes, saturn being 6/7 lord has lots of difficult areas. The

> natives,

> > where I observed, do not have it in Aries. But have yielded

> excellent

> > growth in their job career. May be it worked for saturn mahadasa

> > running for each one of them. The respective astrologer might

have

> > suggested to these natives in specific dasa or for specific

> reasons.

> >

> >

> > Yes, it is normally said that - it works very quickly (make or

> break

> > results in hours?). I have seen people using it in silver (you

did

> not

> > mention in yr compiled notes of silver)

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > vedic astrology, ""

<gg_0202@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > Dear Mr. Prafulla,

> > > Though Neelam or its susbtitutes are not recommended to leo

> natives,

> > > but Saturn becomes a functional benefic for them as Saturn

being

> 7th

> > > lord(Remember, when malefics own kendra, they become benefic &

> vice-

> > > versa).In this case it can be recommended to those people who

> have

> > > Saturn in aries. The case you are talking may have similar

> conditions

> > > as i said..If you wish,you can refer to my article on "Gems in

> > > Astrology" in the files section in the folder "Files by

gaurav"

> for

> > > more details...

> > > Wish you all success,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi,

 

I want to know the logic behind recommending the Blue

Sapphire for Leo Natives in case saturn is placed in

Aries.

 

You mentioned "when malefics own kendra, they become

benefic & vice-versa)."

 

So even if saturn is placed in some other rashi other

than Aries, then also it should act as a benefic.

Won't we consider that it is sixth lord also and if it

is giving gains in one particular area it can harm in

other area too.

 

Secondly, how do we judge that if Saturn is placed in

Aries for Leo Lagna, wearing blue sapphire will help

in profession or career. If there is any text or book

that states that, please let me know as I am not aware

of this principle.

 

Regards,

 

Neeraj

 

 

--- Prafulla Gang <ripra_solutions > wrote:

 

> Dear Gaurav

>

> I read the article.

>

> Yes, saturn being 6/7 lord has lots of difficult

> areas. The natives,

> where I observed, do not have it in Aries. But have

> yielded excellent

> growth in their job career. May be it worked for

> saturn mahadasa

> running for each one of them. The respective

> astrologer might have

> suggested to these natives in specific dasa or for

> specific reasons.

>

>

> Yes, it is normally said that - it works very

> quickly (make or break

> results in hours?). I have seen people using it in

> silver (you did not

> mention in yr compiled notes of silver)

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> vedic astrology, "Gaurav

> Ghosh" <gg_0202

> wrote:

> >

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Mr. Prafulla,

> > Though Neelam or its susbtitutes are not

> recommended to leo natives,

> > but Saturn becomes a functional benefic for them

> as Saturn being 7th

> > lord(Remember, when malefics own kendra, they

> become benefic & vice-

> > versa).In this case it can be recommended to those

> people who have

> > Saturn in aries. The case you are talking may have

> similar conditions

> > as i said..If you wish,you can refer to my article

> on "Gems in

> > Astrology" in the files section in the folder

> "Files by gaurav" for

> > more details...

> > Wish you all success,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

http://www.neerajgupta.com

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Neeraj

 

I am also digging and am engaged in discussions with astrologers at

local level.

 

Most astrologers do not suggest blue saphire except for certain

specific dasa / bhukti or specific transit. and understandably, most

astrologers have their own experiences to back the remedial measures.

 

For leo natives, shani is 6th and 7th lord - and is a very important

planet (though having natural enemity with lagna lord). But we must

not forget that, it can be lagna lord or moon's dispositor; and at

some stage might be beneficial (even critical for final outcome). If

placed in Aries - it will be in 9th house (debilitated) - essentially

it will be 6th lord and 7th lord in 9th (without desired strength),

but will have directional strength to deliver.

 

Sometime back, i also tried to dig into its role if in 7th house (for

leo lagna) - and did not find it as candidate for delayed marriage

(without other benefic planets influencing 7th house or its karaka) etc.

 

I too have observed leo natives using blue saphire, in their shani

mahadasha with lots of positive results.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta

<gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I want to know the logic behind recommending the Blue

> Sapphire for Leo Natives in case saturn is placed in

> Aries.

>

> You mentioned "when malefics own kendra, they become

> benefic & vice-versa)."

>

> So even if saturn is placed in some other rashi other

> than Aries, then also it should act as a benefic.

> Won't we consider that it is sixth lord also and if it

> is giving gains in one particular area it can harm in

> other area too.

>

> Secondly, how do we judge that if Saturn is placed in

> Aries for Leo Lagna, wearing blue sapphire will help

> in profession or career. If there is any text or book

> that states that, please let me know as I am not aware

> of this principle.

>

> Regards,

>

> Neeraj

>

>

> --- Prafulla Gang <ripra_solutions wrote:

>

> > Dear Gaurav

> >

> > I read the article.

> >

> > Yes, saturn being 6/7 lord has lots of difficult

> > areas. The natives,

> > where I observed, do not have it in Aries. But have

> > yielded excellent

> > growth in their job career. May be it worked for

> > saturn mahadasa

> > running for each one of them. The respective

> > astrologer might have

> > suggested to these natives in specific dasa or for

> > specific reasons.

> >

> >

> > Yes, it is normally said that - it works very

> > quickly (make or break

> > results in hours?). I have seen people using it in

> > silver (you did not

> > mention in yr compiled notes of silver)

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Gaurav

> > Ghosh" <gg_0202@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > Dear Mr. Prafulla,

> > > Though Neelam or its susbtitutes are not

> > recommended to leo natives,

> > > but Saturn becomes a functional benefic for them

> > as Saturn being 7th

> > > lord(Remember, when malefics own kendra, they

> > become benefic & vice-

> > > versa).In this case it can be recommended to those

> > people who have

> > > Saturn in aries. The case you are talking may have

> > similar conditions

> > > as i said..If you wish,you can refer to my article

> > on "Gems in

> > > Astrology" in the files section in the folder

> > "Files by gaurav" for

> > > more details...

> > > Wish you all success,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> http://www.neerajgupta.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello to All.

 

I find this a stimulating discussion and I'm interested in getting

to the bottom of how astrologers are making their gem remedies

because I see it so little discussed out in the open.

 

One of the questions I would raise is this: If Saturn is in Aries and

considered not only a natural malefic but a functional malefic in

traditional vedic astrology, how can the astrologer look at Saturn

without looking at its dispositor, Mars? The strength and position

of Mars helps set the conditions for Saturn. And who's to say that

the benefit is not coming through Mars as the functional benefic

lord of the 9th house of good fortune and as Saturn's dispositor

instead of Saturn in Aries itself? But I have yet to read of Mars' role

being mentioned as Saturn's dispositor in any of these discussions

about the benefits of a gem stone for Saturn under Leo lagna.

 

Speaking just for myself, I would be highly reluctant to directly

strengthen a functional malefic Saturn with anything--and that's

usually what a gem does is to strengthen--and neglect to boost

the strength of Mars' role as beneficial 9L of good fortune that

might help the person deal with some of the Saturn in Aries

issues, such as loss or estrangement of the father, or many

other difficult delays around 9H affairs.

 

I'm just raising an issue here, because if the dispositor of Saturn

happens to be in Leo, that's one thing (as the fortunate 9L in the

1H), but if the dispositor happens to be 9L Mars in Cancer in the

12H of loss and that Mars is neglected at the expense of

strengthening Saturn as a functional malefic lord, I would

view this as the emphasis being misplaced, though perhaps

I'm missing something in these arguments.

 

In another example I read on this newsgroup, the native had

a Leo lagna with Sun debilitated in Libra, with Venus at home

in Libra and Saturn exalted—all in the 3H. The blue sapphire

was recommended for Saturn and the results were said to be

good for business and for overcoming enemies and adversaries.

Okay, fine. I would still ask: What about the Sun? If I were to

make such a recommendation I would worry that these 'enemies'

were being overcome at the expense of the person's basic health

and vitality as represented by the Sun, not only as the karaka of

health and vitality, but as the 1L of the general health, and how

long is this person going to be able to keep up this pace before

he goes out of balance and ends up with no personal life, no wife,

but a heck of a lot of business to gain from? That would worry me

in spite of the gains that may be apparent at first.

 

I think the dasha the native is running is also going to have a

major say about the outcome, and this is another factor that I

rarely see in any discussion about gem recommendations.

 

So just speaking for myself again, I doubt if I could have made

the above recommendation, because the work life might gain

at the expense of the person's overall health. Since Saturn is

already strong, I would have thought it might be more auspicious

to boost the power of the Sun for *overall* success in life and

make it more possible for the native to enjoy the benefits that

Saturn might have brought anyway from its exalted position in

Libra, with Venus also strong in its home position.

 

So when I read recommendations for a blue sapphire for Leo lagnas,

I start to get nervous. A very famous American vedic astrologer

(who shall remain nameless) says that everyone should wear the

gem stone for their lagna and for the dasha they happen to be in.

Well, that means for Leo the person ends up wearing a ruby and

maybe a blue sapphire at the same time? And let's say that the

same person is running Saturn dasha. Well, again, speaking for

myself about such a combination—I don't think so. This kind of

an automative approach sounds very formulistic, contradictory

and unwise. Let's carry the example a little further. Let's say the

Leo native has a Saturn/Rahu conjunction in Aries in the 9L of the

higher mind and good fortune, with Mars debilitated in the 12H

of loss and hospitalization, and the person is in a *Rahu* mahadasha.

So the native is supposed to wear the ruby for the Sun and hessonite

for Rahu and Rahu increases its malefic influence on a debilitated

Saturn in Aries that's already a natural malefic? Again—I don't think

so. And yet these kinds of recommendations are rarely challenged,

or the logic behind such thinking questioned. Maybe it's just that

I'm more conservative than others or more concerned about viewing

Saturn in context of the entire chart, and most important of all, Mars

as its 9L dispositor. My personal view is that if you want to help the Leo

person deal with a lousy Saturn, help the Sun, help Mars, or help Jupiter

first. Then deal safely with Saturn through propitiations to help

neutralize its taxing influence, but not feed it a gem to try to appease

it; I think Saturn just gets more hungry and can sometimes end up

burdening the person more.

 

Oh, and it's interesting in the first example I happened to bring

up about a blue sapphire for this particular Leo lagna, the person

chose a gem of *7* carats and wondered why he was so disappointed

at the results. When I read something like that, I imagine that the

person was lucky to have survived the experience and still be able

to talk about it. But I think those situations sometimes happen

when the person follows someone, a teacher or authority, *blindly*

without sufficiently checking in on their personal life and observing

their outer life with some kind of objectivity. But sometimes students

aren't suppose to do that according to their teacher and they end up

trusting someone who may not be right for them. In some instances,

it can take the person years to wake up from this kind of 'spiritual'

hypnosis.

 

I just hope that more astrologer go into these issues and bring them

out of the closet. It's healthy for astrology and helps clear up some

of the doubts that both astrologers and clients have. With some charts,

choosing the right gem is not always an easy matter, but I would never

want to neglect any planet's dispositor under any circumstance,

especially if it happens to be a functional benefic lord, such as the Sun,

Mars, or Jupiter for Leo. But if there are exceptions to the rules, I'm

interested in knowing about them and I appreciate that others are

willing to share of their valuable experience.

 

Regards, Haizen Paige

Sedona, AZ

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Prafulla Gang" <ripra_solutions.> wrote:

>

> Hi Neeraj

>

> I am also digging and am engaged in discussions with astrologers at

> local level.

>

> Most astrologers do not suggest blue saphire except for certain

> specific dasa / bhukti or specific transit. and understandably, most

> astrologers have their own experiences to back the remedial measures.

>

> For leo natives, shani is 6th and 7th lord - and is a very important

> planet (though having natural enemity with lagna lord). But we must

> not forget that, it can be lagna lord or moon's dispositor; and at

> some stage might be beneficial (even critical for final outcome). If

> placed in Aries - it will be in 9th house (debilitated) - essentially

> it will be 6th lord and 7th lord in 9th (without desired strength),

> but will have directional strength to deliver.

>

> Sometime back, i also tried to dig into its role if in 7th house (for

> leo lagna) - and did not find it as candidate for delayed marriage

> (without other benefic planets influencing 7th house or its karaka) etc.

>

> I too have observed leo natives using blue saphire, in their shani

> mahadasha with lots of positive results.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta

> <gupta_neeraj_2000@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I want to know the logic behind recommending the Blue

> > Sapphire for Leo Natives in case saturn is placed in

> > Aries.

> >

> > You mentioned "when malefics own kendra, they become

> > benefic & vice-versa)."

> >

> > So even if saturn is placed in some other rashi other

> > than Aries, then also it should act as a benefic.

> > Won't we consider that it is sixth lord also and if it

> > is giving gains in one particular area it can harm in

> > other area too.

> >

> > Secondly, how do we judge that if Saturn is placed in

> > Aries for Leo Lagna, wearing blue sapphire will help

> > in profession or career. If there is any text or book

> > that states that, please let me know as I am not aware

> > of this principle.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Neeraj

> >

> >

> > --- Prafulla Gang <ripra_solutions@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Gaurav

> > >

> > > I read the article.

> > >

> > > Yes, saturn being 6/7 lord has lots of difficult

> > > areas. The natives,

> > > where I observed, do not have it in Aries. But have

> > > yielded excellent

> > > growth in their job career. May be it worked for

> > > saturn mahadasa

> > > running for each one of them. The respective

> > > astrologer might have

> > > suggested to these natives in specific dasa or for

> > > specific reasons.

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, it is normally said that - it works very

> > > quickly (make or break

> > > results in hours?). I have seen people using it in

> > > silver (you did not

> > > mention in yr compiled notes of silver)

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Gaurav

> > > Ghosh" <gg_0202@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > Dear Mr. Prafulla,

> > > > Though Neelam or its susbtitutes are not

> > > recommended to leo natives,

> > > > but Saturn becomes a functional benefic for them

> > > as Saturn being 7th

> > > > lord(Remember, when malefics own kendra, they

> > > become benefic & vice-

> > > > versa).In this case it can be recommended to those

> > > people who have

> > > > Saturn in aries. The case you are talking may have

> > > similar conditions

> > > > as i said..If you wish,you can refer to my article

> > > on "Gems in

> > > > Astrology" in the files section in the folder

> > > "Files by gaurav" for

> > > > more details...

> > > > Wish you all success,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > http://www.neerajgupta.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Haizen

 

Your mail is quite intriguing.

 

Firstly, these remedies when done by astrolgers, are backed by their

respective experience.

 

Secondly, for leo natives in specific - for saturn in Aries, certainly

its dispositor's strength is considered (i.e. Mars). We must also

remember here that mars can be a candidate for badhaka planet and

aries is its badhaka house too. Yes, saturn is markesh too, but still

he holds the two vital materialistic houses. Saturn may be labelled as

"krur" planet, but not necessarily functional malefic (read with moon

sign, sun sign, AL etc). For example - in my case - I earned most of

my wealth in guru - sani period (March 8, 1967 17.40 IST, Jodhpur

26N17 73E04 leo lagna - mars/ketu in tula, moon in makara, sun/budha-R

in kumbha, sani/shukra in meena, rahu in mesha and guru-R in karka).

Saturn somehow gave excellent materialistic results, career growth,

excellent health & family life etc..and even sade sati did not harm at

all). Contrary to this, budha sub period was horrible..and so was

mars sub period.

 

So, there got to be weighted analysis; and sometimes planets give

results from moon lagna / sun sign as well; or may be some yoga which

overrules the issues.

 

The example- you quoted of leo lagna - venus and saturn in libra -

please note that venus and saturn together will reverse their roles

too..that means, venus giving results of saturn and saturn of venus-

while maintaining their respective natural characteristics.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "haizen" <haizen wrote:

>

> Hello to All.

>

> I find this a stimulating discussion and I'm interested in getting

> to the bottom of how astrologers are making their gem remedies

> because I see it so little discussed out in the open.

>

> One of the questions I would raise is this: If Saturn is in Aries and

> considered not only a natural malefic but a functional malefic in

> traditional vedic astrology, how can the astrologer look at Saturn

> without looking at its dispositor, Mars? The strength and position

> of Mars helps set the conditions for Saturn. And who's to say that

> the benefit is not coming through Mars as the functional benefic

> lord of the 9th house of good fortune and as Saturn's dispositor

> instead of Saturn in Aries itself? But I have yet to read of Mars' role

> being mentioned as Saturn's dispositor in any of these discussions

> about the benefits of a gem stone for Saturn under Leo lagna.

>

> Speaking just for myself, I would be highly reluctant to directly

> strengthen a functional malefic Saturn with anything--and that's

> usually what a gem does is to strengthen--and neglect to boost

> the strength of Mars' role as beneficial 9L of good fortune that

> might help the person deal with some of the Saturn in Aries

> issues, such as loss or estrangement of the father, or many

> other difficult delays around 9H affairs.

>

> I'm just raising an issue here, because if the dispositor of Saturn

> happens to be in Leo, that's one thing (as the fortunate 9L in the

> 1H), but if the dispositor happens to be 9L Mars in Cancer in the

> 12H of loss and that Mars is neglected at the expense of

> strengthening Saturn as a functional malefic lord, I would

> view this as the emphasis being misplaced, though perhaps

> I'm missing something in these arguments.

>

> In another example I read on this newsgroup, the native had

> a Leo lagna with Sun debilitated in Libra, with Venus at home

> in Libra and Saturn exalted—all in the 3H. The blue sapphire

> was recommended for Saturn and the results were said to be

> good for business and for overcoming enemies and adversaries.

> Okay, fine. I would still ask: What about the Sun? If I were to

> make such a recommendation I would worry that these 'enemies'

> were being overcome at the expense of the person's basic health

> and vitality as represented by the Sun, not only as the karaka of

> health and vitality, but as the 1L of the general health, and how

> long is this person going to be able to keep up this pace before

> he goes out of balance and ends up with no personal life, no wife,

> but a heck of a lot of business to gain from? That would worry me

> in spite of the gains that may be apparent at first.

>

> I think the dasha the native is running is also going to have a

> major say about the outcome, and this is another factor that I

> rarely see in any discussion about gem recommendations.

>

> So just speaking for myself again, I doubt if I could have made

> the above recommendation, because the work life might gain

> at the expense of the person's overall health. Since Saturn is

> already strong, I would have thought it might be more auspicious

> to boost the power of the Sun for *overall* success in life and

> make it more possible for the native to enjoy the benefits that

> Saturn might have brought anyway from its exalted position in

> Libra, with Venus also strong in its home position.

>

> So when I read recommendations for a blue sapphire for Leo lagnas,

> I start to get nervous. A very famous American vedic astrologer

> (who shall remain nameless) says that everyone should wear the

> gem stone for their lagna and for the dasha they happen to be in.

> Well, that means for Leo the person ends up wearing a ruby and

> maybe a blue sapphire at the same time? And let's say that the

> same person is running Saturn dasha. Well, again, speaking for

> myself about such a combination—I don't think so. This kind of

> an automative approach sounds very formulistic, contradictory

> and unwise. Let's carry the example a little further. Let's say the

> Leo native has a Saturn/Rahu conjunction in Aries in the 9L of the

> higher mind and good fortune, with Mars debilitated in the 12H

> of loss and hospitalization, and the person is in a *Rahu* mahadasha.

> So the native is supposed to wear the ruby for the Sun and hessonite

> for Rahu and Rahu increases its malefic influence on a debilitated

> Saturn in Aries that's already a natural malefic? Again—I don't think

> so. And yet these kinds of recommendations are rarely challenged,

> or the logic behind such thinking questioned. Maybe it's just that

> I'm more conservative than others or more concerned about viewing

> Saturn in context of the entire chart, and most important of all, Mars

> as its 9L dispositor. My personal view is that if you want to help

the Leo

> person deal with a lousy Saturn, help the Sun, help Mars, or help

Jupiter

> first. Then deal safely with Saturn through propitiations to help

> neutralize its taxing influence, but not feed it a gem to try to appease

> it; I think Saturn just gets more hungry and can sometimes end up

> burdening the person more.

>

> Oh, and it's interesting in the first example I happened to bring

> up about a blue sapphire for this particular Leo lagna, the person

> chose a gem of *7* carats and wondered why he was so disappointed

> at the results. When I read something like that, I imagine that the

> person was lucky to have survived the experience and still be able

> to talk about it. But I think those situations sometimes happen

> when the person follows someone, a teacher or authority, *blindly*

> without sufficiently checking in on their personal life and observing

> their outer life with some kind of objectivity. But sometimes students

> aren't suppose to do that according to their teacher and they end up

> trusting someone who may not be right for them. In some instances,

> it can take the person years to wake up from this kind of 'spiritual'

> hypnosis.

>

> I just hope that more astrologer go into these issues and bring them

> out of the closet. It's healthy for astrology and helps clear up some

> of the doubts that both astrologers and clients have. With some charts,

> choosing the right gem is not always an easy matter, but I would never

> want to neglect any planet's dispositor under any circumstance,

> especially if it happens to be a functional benefic lord, such as

the Sun,

> Mars, or Jupiter for Leo. But if there are exceptions to the rules, I'm

> interested in knowing about them and I appreciate that others are

> willing to share of their valuable experience.

>

> Regards, Haizen Paige

> Sedona, AZ

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Prafulla Gang"

<ripra_solutions@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Neeraj

> >

> > I am also digging and am engaged in discussions with astrologers at

> > local level.

> >

> > Most astrologers do not suggest blue saphire except for certain

> > specific dasa / bhukti or specific transit. and understandably, most

> > astrologers have their own experiences to back the remedial measures.

> >

> > For leo natives, shani is 6th and 7th lord - and is a very important

> > planet (though having natural enemity with lagna lord). But we must

> > not forget that, it can be lagna lord or moon's dispositor; and at

> > some stage might be beneficial (even critical for final outcome). If

> > placed in Aries - it will be in 9th house (debilitated) - essentially

> > it will be 6th lord and 7th lord in 9th (without desired strength),

> > but will have directional strength to deliver.

> >

> > Sometime back, i also tried to dig into its role if in 7th house (for

> > leo lagna) - and did not find it as candidate for delayed marriage

> > (without other benefic planets influencing 7th house or its

karaka) etc.

> >

> > I too have observed leo natives using blue saphire, in their shani

> > mahadasha with lots of positive results.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta

> > <gupta_neeraj_2000@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I want to know the logic behind recommending the Blue

> > > Sapphire for Leo Natives in case saturn is placed in

> > > Aries.

> > >

> > > You mentioned "when malefics own kendra, they become

> > > benefic & vice-versa)."

> > >

> > > So even if saturn is placed in some other rashi other

> > > than Aries, then also it should act as a benefic.

> > > Won't we consider that it is sixth lord also and if it

> > > is giving gains in one particular area it can harm in

> > > other area too.

> > >

> > > Secondly, how do we judge that if Saturn is placed in

> > > Aries for Leo Lagna, wearing blue sapphire will help

> > > in profession or career. If there is any text or book

> > > that states that, please let me know as I am not aware

> > > of this principle.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Neeraj

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Prafulla Gang <ripra_solutions@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Gaurav

> > > >

> > > > I read the article.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, saturn being 6/7 lord has lots of difficult

> > > > areas. The natives,

> > > > where I observed, do not have it in Aries. But have

> > > > yielded excellent

> > > > growth in their job career. May be it worked for

> > > > saturn mahadasa

> > > > running for each one of them. The respective

> > > > astrologer might have

> > > > suggested to these natives in specific dasa or for

> > > > specific reasons.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes, it is normally said that - it works very

> > > > quickly (make or break

> > > > results in hours?). I have seen people using it in

> > > > silver (you did not

> > > > mention in yr compiled notes of silver)

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "Gaurav

> > > > Ghosh" <gg_0202@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > > > Dear Mr. Prafulla,

> > > > > Though Neelam or its susbtitutes are not

> > > > recommended to leo natives,

> > > > > but Saturn becomes a functional benefic for them

> > > > as Saturn being 7th

> > > > > lord(Remember, when malefics own kendra, they

> > > > become benefic & vice-

> > > > > versa).In this case it can be recommended to those

> > > > people who have

> > > > > Saturn in aries. The case you are talking may have

> > > > similar conditions

> > > > > as i said..If you wish,you can refer to my article

> > > > on "Gems in

> > > > > Astrology" in the files section in the folder

> > > > "Files by gaurav" for

> > > > > more details...

> > > > > Wish you all success,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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