Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Namaste. I am not sure what you have tried to mean by having Sani Stotram in file. I have put Sani Stotram in my website and the address is http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro/mantras_and_stotras/sani_stotram.htm. There is also an audio you will find there. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - venkat_tvm vedic astrology Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:38 PM [vedic astrology] re: sani stotram mp3 Hi TanvirIn your file there was sani stotram ( corrected ) in the last week but now this is missing. Will you please send me the file to my emailthanksvenkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Hello AmolMander jee, Greetings. Can you tell me why and how it is not even a 'Stuti' of Sani? If you would ever see the meaning you would never say that. From meaning, anyone would understand that it is doubtlessly a Stuti / hymn to Sani. It praises Sani and it's power, it's effect over everything - Gods, Demons, Emperors... how they suffer when Sani is not pleased with them. And almost in every stanzas it says, "Tasmai Namah Sri Ravinandanaya" - Offers prostations to Sri Ravinandanaya [saturn]. Then in which reason you are saying that it is not a Stuti of Saturn? Please tell me, I am very much eager to know and learn from you. I used to think that you are well versed in Sanskrit. But now I am confused. If you would read the Stotram, you would see how nicely it praises Sani, and almost in each stanzas it prostates before Sani Dev. It also mentions 10 names of Sani (Among others) and says that who would regular worship Shani with these names, Sani Dev would steal away his sufferings. "nityam smrito yo harate cha peeram tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya" And yes it does mention what is to do to avoid the wrath of Sani. But it does not disqualify it from being the Stuti of Stotram. I am very well aware of the meaning of the word 'Stuti'. I am not well versed in Mantras and Stotrams, but then whatever Stotras I have read, those experience and little knowledge say me that this Stotram is a very standard stuti of Sani. There is nothing lacking so that anyone can tell that it's not a stuti. So, please read the Stotram and see the meaning. Otherwise, if you have any difficulty understanding the meaning, then please feel free to let me know, I will send it to you here in the list. So your statement, "Moreover the one which you have put is not Stuti of the Shani. Rather it gives what is to be done to avoid warth of the Shani." is far away from the truth. It does praise Sani and has everything to be a stuti of Sani. I am almost sure that you did not even read the meaning, then how come such a knowledgeable person like you says that it is not a stuti, rather it says what to so to avoid Sani's wrath. Yes it says about doing things to avoid Sani's anger, but in only about one stanza. How could you overlook / ignore all other 9/10/11 stanzas and focuss only on that stanza forgetting what all other stanzas mean or say? Yesterday I got Sani Stotram in Devanagri Script in PDF format, and then I saw that the Sanskrit fonted Stotram is just the same stotram of this. This is very authentic for sure. I am sure that I would get more of the same Sani Stotram from other sites if I search for. Now does it mean that all the people are mistaking blindly? Or are they lying about this Stotram has been taken from the Brahmanda Purane? Are you sure that this Stotra is not there in the Purane? Or do you have any confusion that in the meaning, it is not praising Sani and someone else? Or it is saying something else than praising Sani? So why can not it be the Stuti of Saturn, please teach me. I am almost sure that you know this, but allow me to mention again. 'Rishi' means someone who visualize the mantra. That is why they are also called to be the "Seers of the mantras". This definition is held by many learned and I got same in the translation of the Stotram. King Dasharatha is clearly indicated thus and he needs not to be a Monk or Priest necessarily in this case. You have provided a Stotram of King Dashartha, telling "The stotra sung by King Dasharath is the correct stotra." Fine. But it does not mean all other Sani Stotram are false or incorrect. I would not agree, sorry. There are two Nav Grah Stotras, including the one by Vyasa Deva. But the existance of his Stotra does not prove the other one to be incorrect. Thanks a lot for your time and space. But I am sorry to say that I am not convinced, since I do not find anything good. If you have anyother points to to prove that this is not even the Stuti of Saturn, then please send. I would be more than willing to learn. Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Amol Mandar vedic astrology Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:53 PM [vedic astrology] Re: sani stotram mp3 Dear TanvirThe stotra sung by King Dasharath is the correctstotra. There is no Dasharat rishi in Vediclitareture. Moreover the one which you have put is notStuti of the Shani. Rather it gives what is to be doneto avoid warth of the Shani.Read this one it will give you the Stuti of the Shani.King Dasharath sung this after his battle with Shani.Dasharath won that and still praised Shani. In summary, the one displayed at your site is not aShani stotra in real sense. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.AmolMandar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 Hello Amolmandar Jee, Excellent post. Brilliant logic. I admire your sharp thinking line and keen logics. It is necessary to mention that my intention was not trying to prove you wrong. Either my words / expression was wrong way or you might have taken wrong meaning of my words. A student might express himself in a wrong way, but it is the teacher who must not be mislead by the students wrong words, rather understand what he student is trying to say, take his inner expression and then guide him to the right way. But if the teacher also takes the wrong words then the teacher is not guiding the student anymore, rather the student is guiding (misguiding) the teacher. I have always seen the most talented teachers encourage he students to ask questions, and they like the students ask questions rather than who nod to everything the teacher says. Asking question can have no alternates. We have many brilliant books, but then it does not mean that the discussion lists are of no use. And when a student quotes the book lines and asks question on them to the author here, then it does not mean that he tries to prove them false. But he only tries to understand it further. Only teachers with limited knowledge / weak foundation would be scared of questions since he knows he might not be able to answer them. On the other hand brilliant teachers like you always gladly answer with very good logics. Thanks a lot for your time and space. What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - amolmandar vedic astrology Saturday, July 05, 2003 6:01 PM [vedic astrology] Re: sani stotram mp3 Dear TanvirYou seem to prove ME wrong rather than the stotra! Since your intentions are wrong, you tend to loose temper at times. You asked me that is why I had written my opinion. Now again you asked so I will give you the meaning of the stanzas one by one. You are aware of the word Stuti, rest you decide,think and then come to the conclusions. The stotra first shows the 'greatness' by showing how it creates problems when unfavourable. When you praise any one you dont tell how one creates problems in unfavourable condition. It seems that this stotra is more written for a person interested in Jyotish rather than ShaniDev.1)Now lets start with the stotra.kono-antaka roudra-yama-tha babhruh krishnah shanih pingala manda sourih nityam smrito yo harate cha peedam tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist:By regualr japa of the ten names given shani will steal away misfortune and sufferings.so Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana (Saturn).[Comment]This is stuti of Shani???? This is phalashruti and should have been at the end of stotra and not at the start. 2)sura asurah kim purusha ragendra gandharva vidyadhara panna-gash cha peedyanti sarve vishama-stitena tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist:The unfavourable position of shani(vishama-stitena) makes gods,demons,gandharva,vidyadhar,snakes and all succumb to sufferings.So Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana.[Comment]See here it is clearly mentioned that what happens when it is unfavourable(vishama-stitena).This is stuti of Shani???? This is Jyotish about Shani and should have been in some astrological book. vishama-stitena is implicit in taking the Kundali into considerations.3)nara narendra pashavo mrigendravanyas-cha ye keeta-patanga-bringah peedyanti sarve vishama-stitena tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist: Unfavourable position (vishama-stitena) brings agoney to everyone including kings and commoner,big animals and small insects and even humming bees. So Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana.[Comment]Agin vishama-stitena for other set.This is stuti of Shani???? More of Jyotish.4)desah-cha durgani vanani Yatrasena-nivesah pura-pattnani peedyanti sarve visham-stitena tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist:Unfavourable position brings sufferings to nations, bastions, houses and cities. So Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana. [Comment]Again vishama-stitena for third set. This is stuti of Shani???? Extra Jyotish.5)tilairya-vair-masha gudanna danaihiohena neelambara danato va preenati mantrair-nijavasare cha tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist: Give donations as sesame,chaval,black-gram, ricePudding, iron, blue cloth and japa on saturday appeases him so Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana.[Comment]Now here it gives remedy. This must be for Man not for Shani! This is stuti of Shani???? Remedial Jyotish!!!6)anya-pradeshat swagriham pravishtastadeeya-vare sa narah sukhe syat grihad gato yo na punah prayati tasmai namah sri ravi-nandanaya Gist: When in own house is good otherwise creates problems when leaves. Once gone returns after long time. so Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana.[Comment]More of Jyotish tahn stuti. This is stuti of Shani???? Pure Jyotish without impurity!!!7)konasthah pingala babruhkrishno roudroantako yamah sourih shanaish-charo manday pippalandena sam stutah Gist:So pippalada praises.[Comment]This is stuti of Shani????8)etani dasha-namanipratar-uthaya yah pathet shanaishchara-krita peeda na kadachid bhavishyati harih Om Gist: Early morning chanting of ten names will naver make you to suffer from the pain shani causes.This is stuti of Shani????[Comment]All in all I found stuti as only the names of Shani given in first two lines.But focus is not that.Focus is to create fear and hence make everyone to Prostrate. So my dear think before you say. See, this happens when one tries to prove wrong the person rather than the theory. You want to learn from me and as well want to prove me wrong before learning fully! This is immposible.I have been handling such nasty and enthusiast students for almost 15 yeasrs.You can say all the bad and hopeless things about my knowledge but get clear about your knowledge and be confused about my knowledge. Gradually you will be alright with the Sanskrit world. Be Sanskrit and Sanskrit will be yours.Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.AmolMandarvedic astrology, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote:> Hello AmolMander jee, Greetings.> > Can you tell me why and how it is not even a 'Stuti' of Sani? If you would ever see the meaning you would never say that. From meaning, anyone would understand that it is doubtlessly a Stuti / hymn to Sani. It praises Sani and it's power, it's effect over everything - Gods, Demons, Emperors... how they suffer when Sani is not pleased with them. And almost in every stanzas it says, "Tasmai Namah Sri Ravinandanaya" - Offers prostations to Sri Ravinandanaya [saturn].> > Then in which reason you are saying that it is not a Stuti of Saturn? Please tell me, I am very much eager to know and learn from you.> > I used to think that you are well versed in Sanskrit. But now I am confused. If you would read the Stotram, you would see how nicely it praises Sani, and almost in each stanzas it prostates before Sani Dev. It also mentions 10 names of Sani (Among others) and says that who would regular worship Shani with these names, Sani Dev would steal away his sufferings.> > "nityam smrito yo harate cha peeram > > tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya"> > > > And yes it does mention what is to do to avoid the wrath of Sani. But it does not disqualify it from being the Stuti of Stotram. I am very well aware of the meaning of the word 'Stuti'. I am not well versed in Mantras and Stotrams, but then whatever Stotras I have read, those experience and little knowledge say me that this Stotram is a very standard stuti of Sani. There is nothing lacking so that anyone can tell that it's not a stuti.> > > > So, please read the Stotram and see the meaning. Otherwise, if you have any difficulty understanding the meaning, then please feel free to let me know, I will send it to you here in the list.> > > > So your statement, "Moreover the one which you have put is not Stuti of the Shani. Rather it gives what is to be done to avoid warth of the Shani." is far away from the truth. It does praise Sani and has everything to be a stuti of Sani. I am almost sure that you did not even read the meaning, then how come such a knowledgeable person like you says that it is not a stuti, rather it says what to so to avoid Sani's wrath. Yes it says about doing things to avoid Sani's anger, but in only about one stanza. How could you overlook / ignore all other 9/10/11 stanzas and focuss only on that stanza forgetting what all other stanzas mean or say?> > > > Yesterday I got Sani Stotram in Devanagri Script in PDF format, and then I saw that the Sanskrit fonted Stotram is just the same stotram of this. This is very authentic for sure. I am sure that I would get more of the same Sani Stotram from other sites if I search for. Now does it mean that all the people are mistaking blindly? Or are they lying about this Stotram has been taken from the Brahmanda Purane? Are you sure that this Stotra is not there in the Purane?> > > > Or do you have any confusion that in the meaning, it is not praising Sani and someone else? Or it is saying something else than praising Sani? So why can not it be the Stuti of Saturn, please teach me.> > > > I am almost sure that you know this, but allow me to mention again. 'Rishi' means someone who visualize the mantra. That is why they are also called to be the "Seers of the mantras". This definition is held by many learned and I got same in the translation of the Stotram. King Dasharatha is clearly indicated thus and he needs not to be a Monk or Priest necessarily in this case.> > > > You have provided a Stotram of King Dashartha, telling "The stotra sung by King Dasharath is the correct stotra." Fine. But it does not mean all other Sani Stotram are false or incorrect. I would not agree, sorry. There are two Nav Grah Stotras, including the one by Vyasa Deva. But the existance of his Stotra does not prove the other one to be incorrect.> > > > Thanks a lot for your time and space. But I am sorry to say that I am not convinced, since I do not find anything good. If you have anyother points to to prove that this is not even the Stuti of Saturn, then please send. I would be more than willing to learn.> > > > Tanvir> > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > > > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Amol Mandar > vedic astrology > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:53 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: sani stotram mp3> > > Dear Tanvir> > The stotra sung by King Dasharath is the correct> stotra. There is no Dasharat rishi in Vedic> litareture. Moreover the one which you have put is not> Stuti of the Shani. Rather it gives what is to be done> to avoid warth of the Shani.> > Read this one it will give you the Stuti of the Shani.> King Dasharath sung this after his battle with Shani.> Dasharath won that and still praised Shani. > > In summary, the one displayed at your site is not a> Shani stotra in real sense. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> > AmolMandar------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Save on Coral Calcium. Get Better Health andStronger Bones. Seen on TVhttp://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid-2805&lp=calcium2.asphttp://us.click./9gf46B/EfUGAA/ySSFAA/.8XolB/TM---~->Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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