Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Dear Viswanatham ji I have not got any opportunity to meet Pt.Rath. But if Vimsottari represents changing Arudha - then it is not what i have told! Because Arudha represents others perception.In that case if you have material success that will be more visible to the outside world. My main doubt is regarding why Vimsottari should not reveal both internal as well as external.Because mind should perceieve external as well. I never criticized other Dashas - as i have little knowledge and have to experiment on those rather than making blind statements. Thanks for your mail Pradeep vedic astrology, H S Viswanadham <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Pradeep, > > If you have an occassion to listen to Pt Rath's talk at WC Conference 2002, he said that Vimshottari dasas really signify the changing Arudha! More or less you are also saying the same. > > Now, if you agree that mind is 'internal', whereas environment is 'external' then we can easily see the difference between the two dasa systems viz Udu dasas & Narayana dasa. Udu dasas are based on nakshatra & the Moon. Narayana dasa are based on Rasis and Sun, who is the giver. Narayana is the sustainer of this world. > > > Hope this helps. Learned members may pls correct me. > > regards > viswanadham > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear and respected members > > I have seen references about Vimsottari Dasha being related to the > mental perception of an individual,by Narasimha Rao ji.My knowledge > is limited.But i have some doubts and i would be really happy and > grateful if my doubts are cleared as this could help me in builiding > my fundamentals. > > For eg eventhough Aiswarya Rai was the Miss world,this doesn't mean > that she enjoyed total mental happiness during that period.This may > be true as the person might have had personal difficulties or > worries.But in current world one can never assume that she was > unhappy just because of her material success.May be the side effects > of material success could have caused problems.The very feeling of > material success will never make her unhappy.Only in the case of > saints there can be an effect.Even with them material success wont > bring unhappiness - they won't feel any difference. > > Material success for common souls (to be honest, majority in the > current world are only common souls) is not a perception.It is a > reality.If one has money or power or luxury or fame he will percieve > it as success.There is no other perception.Only relative perceptions > can vary(What i see as more satisfactory can be less satisfactory for > another,this is purely subjectivity due to diminishing marginal > utility).But it is definitely a reality and not perception alone, > only the degree varies.Of course in addition to this the individual > might have mental tensions due to other reasons as well. > > Let us assume that Vimsottari dasha reveals mental perceptions(may be > as moon is related to mind?).Thus if an individual has material > success in todays material world he should be happy about that > success.In that case Vimsottari Dasha should be able to reveal this > success,which is real material success as well as percieved material > success.If the dasha period is supposed to give mixed perception > (good + bad feeling) then Vimsottari should reveal that. > > Thus, as Vimsottari Dasha is about analysing the minds perception, > mind should be able to percieve success as well as unhappiness.Thus > from my logic i cannot understand why Vimsottari Dasha should not be > in a position to reveal material success.The relevance of my > undersatnding is supported by the mental nature of todays world - > Purely Material(ofcourse an exception of 1% can be there) ! > > Also if Vimsottari is all about minds perception,why should we use > other nakshathras like - Lagna, Utpanna and all.Minds main connection > is with Moon - whether moon is strong or weak perception is felt > through mind. > > The learned members are scholars with lots of experience and hence a > question from a beginner may not have much significance.But this has > been puzlling me since, my observation of various Dasha systems.(I > cannot comment on other dashas as i have little knowledge). Kindly > throw light. > > Respect > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > wrote: > > Dear Aman ji, > > > > From my experience, Narayana dasa is the king of dasas. > > > > Also from my experience, some people like passing judgments on > dasas that they do not know well enough. It is far more difficult to > understand how a dasa works, than, say, simply declare that a dasa > does not work. The latter's quite easy to do! > > > > Of course, Vimsottari dasa is an excellent dasa. > > > > Vimsottari dasa shows the outlook of the mind and how the mind > experiences the world around it. Narayana dasas of various vargas > show the ground reality and track the changes in various environments > under which one operates. Padanaathaamsa dasa (a variation of > Narayana dasa) shows how the interaction with various environments > impacts one's image and status. > > > > Each of the above three is a very important dasa. Each offers a > unique perspective into one's life. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha > > > > > Dear Narsimahaji > > > From my experience I have seen Narayana Dasa does not Give > accurate results.I am not sure if there is any basis for Narayana > Dasa.Vimsohhatri Gives The best results. > > > OM > > > AMAN > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" >>wrote: >Vimsottari dasa shows the outlook of the mind and how the mind >experiences the world around it. Narayana dasas of various vargas >show the ground reality and track the changes in various >environments under which one operates. Namaste! Well - give us some examples. Look my chart and try to specify the differences of these two dasas - based on my chart, you´ll probably get some picture of my life and what´s going on.., from the point of my mind, and from the ground reality. Mark 20.02.1969, 10:24:08 AM, 27 E 41, 62 N 54, ZONE 2 KUOPIO/FINLAND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Dear Vishwanatham ji Thanks for the mail. As you have said my views were similar,only difference was when you say one is for perception and other is for reality,while the results you get are representing the same.You have understood me better than me!.The explanation for my views in full are there in my mail to Partha ji. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, H S Viswanadham <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Pradeep, > > I thought your thinking could be closer to Pt Rath's. > > Anyway, the significator for AL is the Moon. Image, perception etc., > > i'll leave it here. > > regards > viswanadham > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear Viswanatham ji > > I have not got any opportunity to meet Pt.Rath. > But if Vimsottari represents changing Arudha - then it is not what i > have told! Because Arudha represents others perception.In that case > if you have material success that will be more visible to the outside > world. > > My main doubt is regarding why Vimsottari should not reveal both > internal as well as external.Because mind should perceieve external > as well. > I never criticized other Dashas - as i have little knowledge and have > to experiment on those rather than making blind statements. > > Thanks for your mail > Pradeep > vedic astrology, H S Viswanadham > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > If you have an occassion to listen to Pt Rath's talk at WC > Conference 2002, he said that Vimshottari dasas really signify the > changing Arudha! More or less you are also saying the same. > > > > Now, if you agree that mind is 'internal', whereas environment > is 'external' then we can easily see the difference between the two > dasa systems viz Udu dasas & Narayana dasa. Udu dasas are based on > nakshatra & the Moon. Narayana dasa are based on Rasis and Sun, who > is the giver. Narayana is the sustainer of this world. > > > > > > Hope this helps. Learned members may pls correct me. > > > > regards > > viswanadham > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear and respected members > > > > I have seen references about Vimsottari Dasha being related to the > > mental perception of an individual,by Narasimha Rao ji.My knowledge > > is limited.But i have some doubts and i would be really happy and > > grateful if my doubts are cleared as this could help me in > builiding > > my fundamentals. > > > > For eg eventhough Aiswarya Rai was the Miss world,this doesn't mean > > that she enjoyed total mental happiness during that period.This may > > be true as the person might have had personal difficulties or > > worries.But in current world one can never assume that she was > > unhappy just because of her material success.May be the side > effects > > of material success could have caused problems.The very feeling of > > material success will never make her unhappy.Only in the case of > > saints there can be an effect.Even with them material success wont > > bring unhappiness - they won't feel any difference. > > > > Material success for common souls (to be honest, majority in the > > current world are only common souls) is not a perception.It is a > > reality.If one has money or power or luxury or fame he will > percieve > > it as success.There is no other perception.Only relative > perceptions > > can vary(What i see as more satisfactory can be less satisfactory > for > > another,this is purely subjectivity due to diminishing marginal > > utility).But it is definitely a reality and not perception alone, > > only the degree varies.Of course in addition to this the individual > > might have mental tensions due to other reasons as well. > > > > Let us assume that Vimsottari dasha reveals mental perceptions (may > be > > as moon is related to mind?).Thus if an individual has material > > success in todays material world he should be happy about that > > success.In that case Vimsottari Dasha should be able to reveal this > > success,which is real material success as well as percieved > material > > success.If the dasha period is supposed to give mixed perception > > (good + bad feeling) then Vimsottari should reveal that. > > > > Thus, as Vimsottari Dasha is about analysing the minds perception, > > mind should be able to percieve success as well as unhappiness.Thus > > from my logic i cannot understand why Vimsottari Dasha should not > be > > in a position to reveal material success.The relevance of my > > undersatnding is supported by the mental nature of todays world - > > Purely Material(ofcourse an exception of 1% can be there) ! > > > > Also if Vimsottari is all about minds perception,why should we use > > other nakshathras like - Lagna, Utpanna and all.Minds main > connection > > is with Moon - whether moon is strong or weak perception is felt > > through mind. > > > > The learned members are scholars with lots of experience and hence > a > > question from a beginner may not have much significance.But this > has > > been puzlling me since, my observation of various Dasha systems. (I > > cannot comment on other dashas as i have little knowledge). Kindly > > throw light. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > > > > wrote: > > > Dear Aman ji, > > > > > > From my experience, Narayana dasa is the king of dasas. > > > > > > Also from my experience, some people like passing judgments on > > dasas that they do not know well enough. It is far more difficult > to > > understand how a dasa works, than, say, simply declare that a dasa > > does not work. The latter's quite easy to do! > > > > > > Of course, Vimsottari dasa is an excellent dasa. > > > > > > Vimsottari dasa shows the outlook of the mind and how the mind > > experiences the world around it. Narayana dasas of various vargas > > show the ground reality and track the changes in various > environments > > under which one operates. Padanaathaamsa dasa (a variation of > > Narayana dasa) shows how the interaction with various environments > > impacts one's image and status. > > > > > > Each of the above three is a very important dasa. Each offers a > > unique perspective into one's life. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > Dear Narsimahaji > > > > From my experience I have seen Narayana Dasa does not Give > > accurate results.I am not sure if there is any basis for Narayana > > Dasa.Vimsohhatri Gives The best results. > > > > OM > > > > AMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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