Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Partha, That was very thought provoking. I agree that learning by 'experiences' is the highest but still my question persists: if a person loses his limb, how is he supposed to understand the phenomenon? Should he understand it as:- (1) some past sin has been committed to deserve this loss (2) Senses are not important (3) test to see whether he can progress in spite of loss (4) test to see whether he understands the life properly (nature of soul etc). regards Hari vedic astrology, partha sarathy <partvinu5> wrote: > Dear Hari > There are two ways to know past lives. One is past life regression, and other is shastyamsa chart. This is clearly given in the varga chakra book. Our lives are but a continuity of our past. > > We chose our lives, after the various "experiences", The soul is forever free, as it is unborn, unchangeable and non-mutant. > > But due to karmas it enters , rather it has to enter the different bodies, and get due experience to reach a higher goal. We all in this lists are interested in astrology, but we are some 1500 members. If you go to a relationship and romance list, there would some thousands. What is the reason. "Experience". > > We all are fed up of gross level of existence. We all want to evolve. > The people in other areas are not bad, they are all evolving, but there are at a different state of evolution. > > The seven chakras in our etheral body are seven states of evolution. > > Have you tried to analyse the samuntra manthan story? > > Why is there poison, the reason for Kurma(tortoise) avatara, the airavata, the Kalpavriksha, the mohini avatara, the rahu and ketu, sudarshana chakra. It is extremely beautiful story of the evolution of soul through meditation. Infact the whole story is the process of meditation. > > Cutting of limbs, loss of sight, loss of memory dont happen by accident. Infact there are no accidents in our lives. Everything happens for a reason. > > Try to understand the reason, and not the effects. Understanding can come only through experience, and not my listening to me, or any other guru. Guru can show you the path, they can give you knowledge, but they cannot help you in experiencing. You have to experience it yourself > > The Puranas are filled with Indras , how Indra(senses) send menaka (desires-venus), to disrupt Viswamitra(soul), in his penance (saturn). There are so many things, the puranas are not a story to be read in pass time. Every purana is a story of meditaiton, evolution. > > Bhasmasura(the desires that kill us-lust), was killed by his own lust, when shiva(soul) danced with him and finished in his own game. Mahishasura(lower desires) killed by Durga(Mother divine, moon), some desires can be vanquished by simple processes, some by austerities, some by experiences. > > But experiential learning is the highest. Chanting mantras alone will not help, they can only fill the mind. But actual experiencing is crucial. Till we touch the fire, we cannot know that it burns! > love > partha > > onlyhari <onlyhari> wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Partha, > > Nice to see you back on these lists. As per your explanation, you > seem to imply that the mind is separate from the soul and cannot > understand. How does the soul observe and understand? > > Secondly, lets suppose a person has Mo+Ke combination and an actual > severance of limb occurs. How is the person supposed to understand > the true meaning or lesson behind this severance? How does this > severance take him/her closer to God? > > regards > Hari > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > <partvinu5> wrote: > > Dear Ananth > > > > Moon is the manas, the manasarovar, the seat of perception. Ketu > is > > the headless body with a heart. Yes ketu with moon at a physical > > level does cause problems, as moon is the karaka for human birth. > The > > difference between the gross level of existence that is animals, > and > > the human is the ability of the human beings to think and > percieve. > > Animals have comparatively lesser problems as they do not percieve > > and think as we do. Moon is a blessing as well as a curse. Rahu > and > > Ketu are the nodes of the moon. Moon is the perception that gets > > aberration due to ketu and rahu. The gross events and the subtle > > events of life are superimposed on the mind and we take them for > real. > > Let me give an example. A person might dislike a motorcycle as he > > might have had accident earlier with the scooter. Thus moon which > is > > a reflector of the light of the Divine soul just imitates and > tries > > to understand the meaning in its own way. Arudha lagna is the seat > of > > perception. We think ARudhas are false. But the "Truths" of this > > earthly abode are the arudhas. That is the reason for Moon being > the > > Karaka for Arudha lagnam. Mind can only repeat things, get > pleasure > > or pain and percieve. But it can never understand. The > understanding > > comes at the Soul level. The soul is the silent observer that > > understands. It does not have any emotions. It doesnot involve and > > participate in the wordly things. It is the silent observer and > > experiencer. > > Moon with ketu means sudden losses to the native. It could be an > > accident, where a person may lose his Limb also. Ketu is the > cutting > > off. Severing. But all have a reason. WE should understand the > > reason, rather than the effect. Once the reason is understood, the > > soul understands the purport and significance. Then the reality > > dawns., > > Warm Regards > > Partha > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Dear Hari Some food for thought The soul is essentially free despite the baggage of karma,. It "chooses" its experiences based on its understanding. Every soul goes through from gross to subtle till it has understood itself. This is also called awareness. Krishna says to Arjuna, Oh partha i know all my "births", you do not. WHen we say the soul chooses its experiences, it implies that it chooses everything from loss of limb to loss of charecter etc. There is nothing good or bad in the experiences. Good and bad are the definitions of the Mind(moon). For soul everything is an experience for "evolution". Every bit of knowledge comes through the various experiences. So "learning" is different for different stages of evolution. For a gross level, the loss of limb is "bad". For a supersoul, the loss of limb is not "bad" as it has understood everything. Love partha vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Partha, > > That was very thought provoking. I agree that learning > by 'experiences' is the highest but still my question persists: if a > person loses his limb, how is he supposed to understand the > phenomenon? Should he understand it as:- > > (1) some past sin has been committed to deserve this loss > (2) Senses are not important > (3) test to see whether he can progress in spite of loss > (4) test to see whether he understands the life properly (nature of > soul etc). > > regards > Hari > > vedic astrology, partha sarathy > <partvinu5> wrote: > > Dear Hari > > There are two ways to know past lives. One is past life > regression, and other is shastyamsa chart. This is clearly given in > the varga chakra book. Our lives are but a continuity of our past. > > > > We chose our lives, after the various "experiences", The soul is > forever free, as it is unborn, unchangeable and non-mutant. > > > > But due to karmas it enters , rather it has to enter the > different bodies, and get due experience to reach a higher goal. We > all in this lists are interested in astrology, but we are some 1500 > members. If you go to a relationship and romance list, there would > some thousands. What is the reason. "Experience". > > > > We all are fed up of gross level of existence. We all want to > evolve. > > The people in other areas are not bad, they are all evolving, but > there are at a different state of evolution. > > > > The seven chakras in our etheral body are seven states of > evolution. > > > > Have you tried to analyse the samuntra manthan story? > > > > Why is there poison, the reason for Kurma(tortoise) avatara, the > airavata, the Kalpavriksha, the mohini avatara, the rahu and ketu, > sudarshana chakra. It is extremely beautiful story of the evolution > of soul through meditation. Infact the whole story is the process of > meditation. > > > > Cutting of limbs, loss of sight, loss of memory dont happen by > accident. Infact there are no accidents in our lives. Everything > happens for a reason. > > > > Try to understand the reason, and not the effects. Understanding > can come only through experience, and not my listening to me, or any > other guru. Guru can show you the path, they can give you knowledge, > but they cannot help you in experiencing. You have to experience it > yourself > > > > The Puranas are filled with Indras , how Indra(senses) send menaka > (desires-venus), to disrupt Viswamitra(soul), in his penance > (saturn). There are so many things, the puranas are not a story to > be read in pass time. Every purana is a story of meditaiton, > evolution. > > > > Bhasmasura(the desires that kill us-lust), was killed by his own > lust, when shiva(soul) danced with him and finished in his own game. > Mahishasura(lower desires) killed by Durga(Mother divine, moon), > some desires can be vanquished by simple processes, some by > austerities, some by experiences. > > > > But experiential learning is the highest. Chanting mantras alone > will not help, they can only fill the mind. But actual experiencing > is crucial. Till we touch the fire, we cannot know that it burns! > > love > > partha > > > > onlyhari <onlyhari> wrote: > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > Nice to see you back on these lists. As per your explanation, you > > seem to imply that the mind is separate from the soul and cannot > > understand. How does the soul observe and understand? > > > > Secondly, lets suppose a person has Mo+Ke combination and an > actual > > severance of limb occurs. How is the person supposed to understand > > the true meaning or lesson behind this severance? How does this > > severance take him/her closer to God? > > > > regards > > Hari > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > <partvinu5> wrote: > > > Dear Ananth > > > > > > Moon is the manas, the manasarovar, the seat of perception. Ketu > > is > > > the headless body with a heart. Yes ketu with moon at a physical > > > level does cause problems, as moon is the karaka for human > birth. > > The > > > difference between the gross level of existence that is animals, > > and > > > the human is the ability of the human beings to think and > > percieve. > > > Animals have comparatively lesser problems as they do not > percieve > > > and think as we do. Moon is a blessing as well as a curse. Rahu > > and > > > Ketu are the nodes of the moon. Moon is the perception that gets > > > aberration due to ketu and rahu. The gross events and the subtle > > > events of life are superimposed on the mind and we take them for > > real. > > > Let me give an example. A person might dislike a motorcycle as > he > > > might have had accident earlier with the scooter. Thus moon > which > > is > > > a reflector of the light of the Divine soul just imitates and > > tries > > > to understand the meaning in its own way. Arudha lagna is the > seat > > of > > > perception. We think ARudhas are false. But the "Truths" of this > > > earthly abode are the arudhas. That is the reason for Moon being > > the > > > Karaka for Arudha lagnam. Mind can only repeat things, get > > pleasure > > > or pain and percieve. But it can never understand. The > > understanding > > > comes at the Soul level. The soul is the silent observer that > > > understands. It does not have any emotions. It doesnot involve > and > > > participate in the wordly things. It is the silent observer and > > > experiencer. > > > Moon with ketu means sudden losses to the native. It could be an > > > accident, where a person may lose his Limb also. Ketu is the > > cutting > > > off. Severing. But all have a reason. WE should understand the > > > reason, rather than the effect. Once the reason is understood, > the > > > soul understands the purport and significance. Then the reality > > > dawns., > > > Warm Regards > > > Partha > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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